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Press release (purloined from the froup next door):
Dinosaur teeth give glimpse of early Earth's climate.
<https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=7874>
In article <1rgyy8w.1icbr55ecutqyN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe ><snipeco.2@gmail.com> on Tue, 12 Aug 2025 at 20:05:05 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
Press release (purloined from the froup next door):I am not sure I would call it early earth, given that the earth is
Dinosaur teeth give glimpse of early Earth's climate.
<https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=7874>
about 4.5 billion years old and this article is writing about 150
million years ago. Early life may well have been 3.5+ billion years
ago.
Still life seemed to do very well 150 million years ago with a higher
level of CO2 and higher average temperatures and there does not appear
to have a run away heating event. Personally I think we should be
fearing another glacial event, which would be much more difficult to
adapt to.
Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
Press release (purloined from the froup next door):
Dinosaur teeth give glimpse of early Earth's climate.
<https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=7874>
I am not sure I would call it early earth, given that the earth is
about 4.5 billion years old and this article is writing about 150
million years ago. Early life may well have been 3.5+ billion years
ago.
Still life seemed to do very well 150 million years ago with a higher
level of CO2 and higher average temperatures and there does not appear
to have a run away heating event. Personally I think we should be
fearing another glacial event, which would be much more difficult to
adapt to.
Agreed, but also there's a more immediate danger of inundation.
King Knud knew that we can't turn back the tide.
IMO we should be preparing for that rather than ruining our national competitiveness with futile gestures aimed at CO2 reduction and the
'get rich quick' schemes that ride on their coat-tails.
ISTM that the important thrust of the article is that the historical CO2 level has been very much higher than today without global catastrophe.
In article <1rgyy8w.1icbr55ecutqyN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> on Tue, 12 Aug 2025 at 20:05:05 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
Press release (purloined from the froup next door):I am not sure I would call it early earth, given that the earth is
Dinosaur teeth give glimpse of early Earth's climate.
<https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=7874>
about 4.5 billion years old and this article is writing about 150
million years ago. Early life may well have been 3.5+ billion years
ago.
Still life seemed to do very well 150 million years ago with a higher
level of CO2 and higher average temperatures and there does not appear
to have a run away heating event. Personally I think we should be
fearing another glacial event, which would be much more difficult to
adapt to.
On 13/08/2025 2:04 am, Sn!pe wrote:
Agreed, but also there's a more immediate danger of inundation.
King Knud knew that we can't turn back the tide.
IMO we should be preparing for that rather than ruining our national
competitiveness with futile gestures aimed at CO2 reduction and the
'get rich quick' schemes that ride on their coat-tails.
I didn't think it was an either-or choice. Can't we try to stop the ice caps [1] melting as well as prepare for when it happens?
ISTM that the important thrust of the article is that the historical CO2
level has been very much higher than today without global catastrophe.
Depends what you mean by global catastrophe. Global catastrophe for
humans is more the point. Life will survive - it has this thing called 'evolution', which we seem to be abandoning.
[3] maybe over simplistically
[1] or the Southern one ... I assume [3] that the Northern one doesn't matter as it's floating and already displaces its own weight of water.
Density of ice is less than density of water - that's why ice floats on
(in) water
Chris Elvidge wrote:
Density of ice is less than density of water - that's why ice floats on >>(in) water
Yebbut it's also true that the density of a boat is less than that of
water, innit?
On 12/08/2025 21:22, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
In article <1rgyy8w.1icbr55ecutqyN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> on Tue, 12 Aug 2025 at 20:05:05 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
Press release (purloined from the froup next door):I am not sure I would call it early earth, given that the earth is
Dinosaur teeth give glimpse of early Earth's climate.
<https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=7874>
about 4.5 billion years old and this article is writing about 150
million years ago. Early life may well have been 3.5+ billion years
ago.
Still life seemed to do very well 150 million years ago with a higher
level of CO2 and higher average temperatures and there does not appear
to have a run away heating event. Personally I think we should be
fearing another glacial event, which would be much more difficult to
adapt to.
As far as we, the humans, are concerned, we have a major problem with
the current rate of climate change, as we have decided that we like our towns by the seaside, and our preferred crops to grow where
G'G'G'G'Grandad grew them. (He only moved there because it had the best climate at the rime to grow his food) There are also now far too many of
us to easily migrate to the cool bits. Because of this, as the sea level rises, we get flooded out, and as temperatures rise, we are unwilling to
On 13/08/2025 2:04 am, Sn!pe wrote:
Agreed, but also there's a more immediate danger of inundation.
King Knud knew that we can't turn back the tide.
IMO we should be preparing for that rather than ruining our national
competitiveness with futile gestures aimed at CO2 reduction and the
'get rich quick' schemes that ride on their coat-tails.
I didn't think it was an either-or choice. Can't we try to stop the ice caps [1] melting as well as prepare for when it happens?
ISTM that the important thrust of the article is that the historical CO2
level has been very much higher than today without global catastrophe.
Depends what you mean by global catastrophe. Global catastrophe for
humans is more the point. Life will survive - it has this thing called 'evolution', which we seem to be abandoning.
Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
Press release (purloined from the froup next door):
Dinosaur teeth give glimpse of early Earth's climate.
<https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=7874>
I am not sure I would call it early earth, given that the earth is
about 4.5 billion years old and this article is writing about 150
million years ago. Early life may well have been 3.5+ billion years
ago.
Still life seemed to do very well 150 million years ago with a higher
level of CO2 and higher average temperatures and there does not appear
to have a run away heating event. Personally I think we should be
fearing another glacial event, which would be much more difficult to
adapt to.
Agreed, but also there's a more immediate danger of inundation.
King Knud knew that we can't turn back the tide.
IMO we should be preparing for that rather than ruining our national competitiveness with futile gestures aimed at CO2 reduction and the
'get rich quick' schemes that ride on their coat-tails.
ISTM that the important thrust of the article is that the historical CO2 level has been very much higher than today without global catastrophe. Indeed, it seems to have suited the dinosaurs rather well.
I didn't think it was an either-or choice.-a Can't we try to stop the ice caps [1] melting as well as prepare for when it happens?
...
[1] or the Southern one ... I assume [3] that the Northern one doesn't matter as it's floating and already displaces its own weight of water.
Density of ice is less than density of water - that's why ice floats on
(in) water
Don't forget Greenland.
On 13/08/2025 13:15, Chris Elvidge wrote:
Density of ice is less than density of water - that's why ice floats on
(in) water
And it's why floating ice melting makes no difference to the water
level. But ice on a land mass melting and the runoff into the sea does
raise the sea level.
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in news:mg5uf1FfgeaU4 @mid.individual.net:
On 13/08/2025 13:15, Chris Elvidge wrote:
Density of ice is less than density of water - that's why ice floats on
(in) water
And it's why floating ice melting makes no difference to the water
level. But ice on a land mass melting and the runoff into the sea does
raise the sea level.
Also, cold-water runoff from the arctic ice is an imprtnat driver of the AMOC. That includes the gulf stream, so if the icecap vanishes, so does the gulf stream and we in GB will become, oddly enough, very chilly indeed for
a few centuries.
On 14/08/2025 12:06 pm, Mike Fleming wrote:
Don't forget Greenland.
I did.
But I promise not to do it again.
On 14/08/2025 14:27, Peter wrote:[...]
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
And it's why floating ice melting makes no difference to the water
level. But ice on a land mass melting and the runoff into the sea does
raise the sea level.
Also, cold-water runoff from the arctic ice is an imprtnat driver of the AMOC. That includes the gulf stream, so if the icecap vanishes, so does
the gulf stream and we in GB will become, oddly enough, very chilly
indeed for a few centuries.
And hot. The climate will approximate that of Southern Canada.
Press release (purloined from the froup next door):
Dinosaur teeth give glimpse of early Earth's climate.
<https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=7874>
And hot. The climate will approximate that of Southern Canada.
In message <mg67eqFhhteU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> writesIf the AMOC stops, the temperatures in both places will get colder in
And hot. The climate will approximate that of Southern Canada.
Which bit of Southern Canada ? The bits at the side seem to be
relatively civilised by the standards of dear old Blighty, but the
middle bits can get a tad chilly in the winter months.
Adrian
On 14/08/2025 12:06 pm, Mike Fleming wrote:
Don't forget Greenland.
I did.
But I promise not to do it again.--
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 20:05:05 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
Press release (purloined from the froup next door):
Dinosaur teeth give glimpse of early Earth's climate.
<https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=7874>
I sometimes see fossilized teeth in the local auctions :
https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/255212503/megalodon-tooth-w--cert-of-auth-
and-stand?ref=catalog
https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/216486764/original-mammoth-tooth- >fossil?ref=catalog
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 20:05:05 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
Press release (purloined from the froup next door):
Dinosaur teeth give glimpse of early Earth's climate.
<https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=7874>
I sometimes see fossilized teeth in the local auctions :
https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/255212503/megalodon-tooth-w--cert-of-auth-and-stand?ref=catalog
https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/216486764/original-mammoth-tooth-fossil?ref=catalog
Naqerj <naqerj@pattle.globalnet.co.uk> wrote
On 14/08/2025 12:06 pm, Mike Fleming wrote:
Don't forget Greenland.
I did.
The Donald has not forgotten Greenland. As we speak,
is he, perhaps,trading Alaska for Greenland.
But I promise not to do it again.
On 14/08/2025 15:41, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 20:05:05 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
Press release (purloined from the froup next door):
Dinosaur teeth give glimpse of early Earth's climate.
<https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=7874>
I sometimes see fossilized teeth in the local auctions :
https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/255212503/megalodon-tooth-w--cert-of-auth-and-stand?ref=catalog
https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/216486764/original-mammoth-tooth-fossil?ref=catalog
John T.
Makes a change from Waterloo teeth.
Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
Naqerj <naqerj@pattle.globalnet.co.uk> wrote
On 14/08/2025 12:06 pm, Mike Fleming wrote:
Don't forget Greenland.
I did.
The Donald has not forgotten Greenland. As we speak,
is he, perhaps,trading Alaska for Greenland.
I can't see Donlad letting Alaska go. He wants to control
the Arctic Ocean, he won't let the Russkies grab it all.
But I promise not to do it again.
I should think not, indeed.
Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
Naqerj <naqerj@pattle.globalnet.co.uk> wrote
On 14/08/2025 12:06 pm, Mike Fleming wrote:
Don't forget Greenland.
I did.
The Donald has not forgotten Greenland. As we speak,
is he, perhaps,trading Alaska for Greenland.
I can't see Donlad letting Alaska go. He wants to control
the Arctic Ocean, he won't let the Russkies grab it all.
On 14/08/2025 19:48, Sn!pe wrote:
Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
Naqerj <naqerj@pattle.globalnet.co.uk> wrote
On 14/08/2025 12:06 pm, Mike Fleming wrote:
Don't forget Greenland.
I did.
The Donald has not forgotten Greenland. As we speak,
is he, perhaps,trading Alaska for Greenland.
I can't see Donlad letting Alaska go. He wants to control
the Arctic Ocean, he won't let the Russkies grab it all.
He's already ceded Alaska to Russia.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-alaska- >russia-putin-leningrad-b2806865.html
The CO2 level wasn't varying at a huge rate though, not like now. There
was time for ecosystems to move their stable equilibrium. What we now
have is areas of the earth which are becoming uninhabitable which will
give rise to more war over territory and more human migration from the global south. We desperately need measures to reduce CO2 emissions. Preferably those politicians who espouse the scrapping of net zero
should be executed (TBF, those that do always have other noxious
policies so this is not as extreme as it sounds). Petrochemical
industries should be prevented from lobbying, and no country that has petrochemical exports as a significant part of its GDP should be allowed
to host a COP conference.
On 13/08/2025 10:00, Naqerj wrote:
I didn't think it was an either-or choice.-a Can't we try to stop the ice >> caps [1] melting as well as prepare for when it happens?
...
[1] or the Southern one ... I assume [3] that the Northern one doesn't
matter as it's floating and already displaces its own weight of water.
Don't forget Greenland. If its ice cap completely melts, that will add
7m to sea levels. And of course ice caps raise the albedo of Earth, so reducing their size will cause more temperature rise. Plus melting the tundra will release methane, a very potent greenhouse gas albeit shorter lived than CO2. These are some of the tipping points. And if the
Antarctic completely melts, that's 65m of sea level rise. Still, I'm 95m
up so I'm all right.
In article <107kmps$g5rj$1@dont-email.me>, Naqerj <naqerj@pattle.globaln et.co.uk> on Thu, 14 Aug 2025 at 14:02:52 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote
On 14/08/2025 12:06 pm, Mike Fleming wrote:
Don't forget Greenland.
I did.
The Donald has not forgotten Greenland. As we speak, is he, perhaps,
trading Alaska for Greenland.
But I promise not to do it again.
On 14/08/2025 19:48, Sn!pe wrote:
Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
Naqerj <naqerj@pattle.globalnet.co.uk> wrote
On 14/08/2025 12:06 pm, Mike Fleming wrote:
Don't forget Greenland.
I did.
The Donald has not forgotten Greenland. As we speak,
is he, perhaps,trading Alaska for Greenland.
I can't see Donlad letting Alaska go. He wants to control
the Arctic Ocean, he won't let the Russkies grab it all.
He's already ceded Alaska to Russia.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-alaska-russia-putin-leningrad-b2806865.html
In article <mg78igFfge7U7@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming
<mike@tauzero.co.uk> on Fri, 15 Aug 2025 at 00:08:00 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
On 14/08/2025 19:48, Sn!pe wrote:
Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
Naqerj <naqerj@pattle.globalnet.co.uk> wrote
On 14/08/2025 12:06 pm, Mike Fleming wrote:
Don't forget Greenland.
I did.
The Donald has not forgotten Greenland. As we speak,
is he, perhaps,trading Alaska for Greenland.
I can't see Donlad letting Alaska go. He wants to control
the Arctic Ocean, he won't let the Russkies grab it all.
He's already ceded Alaska to Russia.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-alaska- >>russia-putin-leningrad-b2806865.html
'He's not going to mess around with me' - what Trump said yesterday
Trump is not capable of understanding that Putin has been messing around
with him for at least the last 10 years.
He did not even understand how to run a casino without the casino going
bust. He was bright enough to fix the books so that he does not go bust before he bails out. But, the buck is supposed to stop at the guy behind
the Oval Office desk.
On 13/08/2025 13:15, Chris Elvidge wrote:
Density of ice is less than density of water - that's why ice floats on
(in) water
And it's why floating ice melting makes no difference to the water
level. But ice on a land mass melting and the runoff into the sea does
raise the sea level.
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in news:mg5uf1FfgeaU4 @mid.individual.net:
On 13/08/2025 13:15, Chris Elvidge wrote:
Density of ice is less than density of water - that's why ice floats on >>> (in) water
And it's why floating ice melting makes no difference to the water
level. But ice on a land mass melting and the runoff into the sea does
raise the sea level.
Also, cold-water runoff from the arctic ice is an imprtnat driver of the AMOC. That includes the gulf stream, so if the icecap vanishes, so does the gulf stream and we in GB will become, oddly enough, very chilly indeed for
a few centuries.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 19:39:52 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 14/08/2025 15:41, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 20:05:05 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
Press release (purloined from the froup next door):
Dinosaur teeth give glimpse of early Earth's climate.
<https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=7874>
I sometimes see fossilized teeth in the local auctions :
https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/255212503/megalodon-tooth-w--cert-of-auth-and-stand?ref=catalog
https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/216486764/original-mammoth-tooth-fossil?ref=catalog
John T.
Makes a change from Waterloo teeth.
I had to look that up :
https://greatbigstory.com/waterloo-teeth/
John T.
Only a Brit would say very chilly when I imagine it is likely to be an ice age?
When we bought our house the elevation was not even a consideration,
I doubt it will matter in my lifetime but being at the top of the hill gives some security for the future. It has already proven valuable when there is flooding and our worst part is the initial rain, we then carry on as
normal while some have weeks of drying out.
On 15/08/2025 19:38, Simon wrote:
That is very chilly, is it not?
Only a Brit would say very chilly when I imagine it is likely to be an
ice age?
Might need two jumpers under the coat.
On 15/08/2025 20:07, John Williamson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 19:38, Simon wrote:But not in Newcastle.
That is very chilly, is it not?
Only a Brit would say very chilly when I imagine it is likely to be
an ice age?
Might need two jumpers under the coat.
On 15/08/2025 19:38, Simon wrote:
That is very chilly, is it not?
Only a Brit would say very chilly when I imagine it is likely to be an ice age?
Might need two jumpers under the coat.
On 15/08/2025 20:07, John Williamson wrote:
On 15/08/2025 19:38, Simon wrote:But not in Newcastle.
That is very chilly, is it not?
Only a Brit would say very chilly when I imagine it is likely to be an
ice age?
Might need two jumpers under the coat.
On 15/08/2025 20:28, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 15/08/2025 20:07, John Williamson wrote:Nah, T-short and shorts. Or crop top and a micro skirt. Maybe tights as
On 15/08/2025 19:38, Simon wrote:But not in Newcastle.
That is very chilly, is it not?
Only a Brit would say very chilly when I imagine it is likely to be
an ice age?
Might need two jumpers under the coat.
well for modesty. ;-)
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
[...]
When we bought our house the elevation was not even a consideration,
I doubt it will matter in my lifetime but being at the top of the hill gives >> some security for the future. It has already proven valuable when there is >> flooding and our worst part is the initial rain, we then carry on as
normal while some have weeks of drying out.
The real danger will be from displaced people who have been flooded out. They'll have to go somewhere...
On 15/08/2025 19:38, Simon wrote:
That is very chilly, is it not?
Only a Brit would say very chilly when I imagine it is likely to be an ice >age?
Might need two jumpers under the coat.
On 2025-08-14, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 19:39:52 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 14/08/2025 15:41, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 20:05:05 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote: >>>>
Press release (purloined from the froup next door):
Dinosaur teeth give glimpse of early Earth's climate.
<https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=7874>
I sometimes see fossilized teeth in the local auctions :
https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/255212503/megalodon-tooth-w--cert-of- >auth-and-stand?ref=catalog
https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/216486764/original-mammoth-tooth- >fossil?ref=catalog
John T.
Makes a change from Waterloo teeth.
I had to look that up :
https://greatbigstory.com/waterloo-teeth/
John T.
I thought it was something else, thank you for the link.
On 2025-08-15, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
In article <mg78igFfge7U7@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming >><mike@tauzero.co.uk> on Fri, 15 Aug 2025 at 00:08:00 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
On 14/08/2025 19:48, Sn!pe wrote:
Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
Naqerj <naqerj@pattle.globalnet.co.uk> wrote
On 14/08/2025 12:06 pm, Mike Fleming wrote:
Don't forget Greenland.
I did.
The Donald has not forgotten Greenland. As we speak,
is he, perhaps,trading Alaska for Greenland.
I can't see Donlad letting Alaska go. He wants to control
the Arctic Ocean, he won't let the Russkies grab it all.
He's already ceded Alaska to Russia.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-alaska- >>>russia-putin-leningrad-b2806865.html
'He's not going to mess around with me' - what Trump said yesterday
Trump is not capable of understanding that Putin has been messing around
with him for at least the last 10 years.
He did not even understand how to run a casino without the casino going
bust. He was bright enough to fix the books so that he does not go bust
before he bails out. But, the buck is supposed to stop at the guy behind
the Oval Office desk.
If he hadn't have had his fathers money we could have avoid him entirely, but >the fact he could not make money in a casino is comical.
Makes a change from Waterloo teeth.
I had to look that up :
https://greatbigstory.com/waterloo-teeth/
John T.
I thought it was something else, thank you for the link.
Waterloo was no different from most battlefields. After the battle
being wounded, dead or just exhausted would make you vulnerable to the >scavengers, who might well slit your throat just to make sure that you
could not protect your valuables (teeth, boots, coat, blanket or what
ever). Someone would buy it.
Almost anything had value in Victorian times and before. Housemaids
could sell the household dust even. What the buyer did with household
dust I have no idea. Suggestions anyone?
In article <slrn109uvsv.3b5m.SimonJ@silex.localdomain>, Simon
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> on Fri, 15 Aug 2025 at 18:42:39 awoke Nicholas from
his slumbers and wrote
On 2025-08-14, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 19:39:52 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:auth-and-stand?ref=catalog
On 14/08/2025 15:41, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 20:05:05 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote: >>>>>
Press release (purloined from the froup next door):
Dinosaur teeth give glimpse of early Earth's climate.
<https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/3240.html?id=7874>
I sometimes see fossilized teeth in the local auctions :
https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/255212503/megalodon-tooth-w--cert-of-
https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/216486764/original-mammoth-tooth- >>fossil?ref=catalog
John T.
Makes a change from Waterloo teeth.
I had to look that up :
https://greatbigstory.com/waterloo-teeth/
John T.
I thought it was something else, thank you for the link.
Waterloo was no different from most battlefields. After the battle
being wounded, dead or just exhausted would make you vulnerable to the scavengers, who might well slit your throat just to make sure that you
could not protect your valuables (teeth, boots, coat, blanket or what
ever). Someone would buy it.
Almost anything had value in Victorian times and before. Housemaids
could sell the household dust even. What the buyer did with household
dust I have no idea. Suggestions anyone?
In article <slrn109uvfp.3b5m.SimonJ@silex.localdomain>, Simon
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> on Fri, 15 Aug 2025 at 18:35:37 awoke Nicholas from
his slumbers and wrote
On 2025-08-15, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
In article <mg78igFfge7U7@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming >>><mike@tauzero.co.uk> on Fri, 15 Aug 2025 at 00:08:00 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
On 14/08/2025 19:48, Sn!pe wrote:
Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
Naqerj <naqerj@pattle.globalnet.co.uk> wrote
On 14/08/2025 12:06 pm, Mike Fleming wrote:
Don't forget Greenland.
I did.
The Donald has not forgotten Greenland. As we speak,
is he, perhaps,trading Alaska for Greenland.
I can't see Donlad letting Alaska go. He wants to control
the Arctic Ocean, he won't let the Russkies grab it all.
He's already ceded Alaska to Russia.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-alaska- >>>>russia-putin-leningrad-b2806865.html
'He's not going to mess around with me' - what Trump said yesterday
Trump is not capable of understanding that Putin has been messing around >>> with him for at least the last 10 years.
He did not even understand how to run a casino without the casino going
bust. He was bright enough to fix the books so that he does not go bust >>> before he bails out. But, the buck is supposed to stop at the guy behind >>> the Oval Office desk.
If he hadn't have had his fathers money we could have avoid him entirely, but >>the fact he could not make money in a casino is comical.
It is true, he owned the oybbql thing. I suppose it could have been a
tax scam, it is like a bookmaker going bust.
If he hadn't have had his fathers money we could have avoid him entirely, but the fact he could not make money in a casino is comical.
Only a Brit would say very chilly when I imagine it is likely
to be an ice age?
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 18:38:23 -0000 (UTC), Simon
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
Only a Brit would say very chilly when I imagine it is likely
to be an ice age?
My Shetlander neighbours complain when it's above 20 degs. I
was told it was 19 degs in Shetland recently, a record high!
On 2025-08-15, Sn!pe wrote:
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
[...]
When we bought our house the elevation was not even a consideration,
I doubt it will matter in my lifetime but being at the top of the hill gives
some security for the future. It has already proven valuable when there is >>> flooding and our worst part is the initial rain, we then carry on as
normal while some have weeks of drying out.
The real danger will be from displaced people who have been flooded out.
They'll have to go somewhere...
Yes that is true, I saw a map the other day with sea level changes and the places that would become uninhabitable and it was quite worrying.
On 2025-08-14, Mike Fleming wrote:
On 14/08/2025 19:48, Sn!pe wrote:
Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
Naqerj <naqerj@pattle.globalnet.co.uk> wrote
On 14/08/2025 12:06 pm, Mike Fleming wrote:
Don't forget Greenland.
I did.
The Donald has not forgotten Greenland. As we speak,
is he, perhaps,trading Alaska for Greenland.
I can't see Donlad letting Alaska go. He wants to control
the Arctic Ocean, he won't let the Russkies grab it all.
He's already ceded Alaska to Russia.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-alaska-russia-putin-leningrad-b2806865.html
If he was in any other country he would be in a home by now and getting the correct medication.
On 2025-08-16, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 18:38:23 -0000 (UTC), SimonIt's like a different planet, it was 420 >pleasant.
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
Only a Brit would say very chilly when I imagine it is likely
to be an ice age?
My Shetlander neighbours complain when it's above 20 degs. I
was told it was 19 degs in Shetland recently, a record high!
In article <slrn10a2qvg.hoco.SimonJ@silex.localdomain>, Simon
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> on Sun, 17 Aug 2025 at 05:43:12 awoke Nicholas from
his slumbers and wrote
On 2025-08-16, Julian Macassey wrote:I am guessing that your temperatures in the early hours of a February
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 18:38:23 -0000 (UTC), SimonIt's like a different planet, it was 420 >pleasant.
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
Only a Brit would say very chilly when I imagine it is likely
to be an ice age?
My Shetlander neighbours complain when it's above 20 degs. I
was told it was 19 degs in Shetland recently, a record high!
morning would freeze the sea around Shetland. The humidity would be? Mid-Continental Canadian climate?
Only a Brit would say very chilly when I imagine it is likely to be an ice age?
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
[...]
When we bought our house the elevation was not even a consideration,
I doubt it will matter in my lifetime but being at the top of the hill gives >> some security for the future. It has already proven valuable when there is >> flooding and our worst part is the initial rain, we then carry on as
normal while some have weeks of drying out.
The real danger will be from displaced people who have been flooded out. They'll have to go somewhere...
On 15/08/2025 19:38, Simon wrote:
Only a Brit would say very chilly when I imagine it is likely to be an ice age?
We're not very likely to get an ice age when all the ice has melted due
to global warming.
On 15/08/2025 20:23, Sn!pe wrote:
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
[...]
When we bought our house the elevation was not even a consideration,
I doubt it will matter in my lifetime but being at the top of the hill gives
some security for the future. It has already proven valuable when there is >>> flooding and our worst part is the initial rain, we then carry on as
normal while some have weeks of drying out.
The real danger will be from displaced people who have been flooded out.
They'll have to go somewhere...
Not just flooded out, droughted out, wildfired out, polluted out - it
won't take much more for there to be a huge human migration.
On 15/08/2025 20:23, Sn!pe wrote:
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
[...]
When we bought our house the elevation was not even a consideration,
I doubt it will matter in my lifetime but being at the top of the
hill gives
some security for the future. It has already proven valuable when
there is
flooding and our worst part is the initial rain, we then carry on as
normal while some have weeks of drying out.
The real danger will be from displaced people who have been flooded out.
They'll have to go somewhere...
Not just flooded out, droughted out, wildfired out, polluted out* - it
won't take much more for there to be a huge human migration.
On 13/08/2025 13:15, Chris Elvidge wrote:
Density of ice is less than density of water - that's why ice floats on
(in) water
And it's why floating ice melting makes no difference to the water
level. But ice on a land mass melting and the runoff into the sea does
raise the sea level.
On 13/08/2025 10:00, Naqerj wrote:
I didn't think it was an either-or choice.-a Can't we try to stop the ice >> caps [1] melting as well as prepare for when it happens?
...
[1] or the Southern one ... I assume [3] that the Northern one doesn't
matter as it's floating and already displaces its own weight of water.
Don't forget Greenland. If its ice cap completely melts, that will add
7m to sea levels. And of course ice caps raise the albedo of Earth, so reducing their size will cause more temperature rise. Plus melting the tundra will release methane, a very potent greenhouse gas albeit shorter lived than CO2. These are some of the tipping points. And if the
Antarctic completely melts, that's 65m of sea level rise. Still, I'm 95m
up so I'm all right.
the buck is supposed to stop at the guy behind
the Oval Office desk.