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On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot!
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot!
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot!
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
On 31/07/2025 21:23, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot!
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
Someone close to me always has a fag on annual no smoking day ?
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot!
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then
3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day.
The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like
a chimney.
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then
3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day.
The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like
a chimney.
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then
3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day.
The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like
a chimney.
Well done. As to it getting easier: even at four years off of the
damnable things I still crave a gasper every day. That's what
comes of taking up the evil weed at age nine.
My current non-smoking attempt is eased by the certain knollidge
that if ever I was to indulge in koffin nails again I'd xbss zr thgf hc
and promptly expire in a small puff of odoriferous grey smoke.
[koff, koff again]
[wistful] Gissa a fag, guv?...
On 31/07/2025 21:23, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot!
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
Someone close to me always has a fag on annual no smoking day Efno
Chris Deuchar <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
On 31/07/2025 21:23, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot!
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
Someone close to me always has a fag on annual no smoking day ?
Giving up smoking is easy, I've done it at least a dozen times...
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then
3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day.
The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like
a chimney.
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 01:46:41 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then >>> 3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day.
The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like >>> a chimney.
Well done. As to it getting easier: even at four years off of the >>damnable things I still crave a gasper every day. That's what
comes of taking up the evil weed at age nine.
My current non-smoking attempt is eased by the certain knollidge
that if ever I was to indulge in koffin nails again I'd xbss zr thgf hc
and promptly expire in a small puff of odoriferous grey smoke.
[koff, koff again]
[wistful] Gissa a fag, guv?...
I've often wished to try some weed - now that it's legalYou could just try some oil in something, supposed to do the same thing, but many offerings have such a low content I doubt they would do anything.
- but very afraid that it might lead me back to tobacco ..
John T.
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 01:16:23 +0100, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
wrote:
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then
3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day. >>The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like
a chimney.
I try to encourage tobacco quitters with my experience -
: smoked through my <pre> teens and twenties
: tried quitting all through my thirties - many times !
: finally quit at ~ 39 - 40 < 28 years ago >
: Don't give up trying to quit !
Peer pressure is a big factor - I moved from a town
where ~ 50 % of the hockey team and the ball team
all smoked - to a town where almost noone smoked -
- that was a huge factor I think.
Hang in there - good luck -
I always say it takes 3 - 4 _years_ to get rid of the
addiction - not weeks not months ...
Do not be fooled.
John T.
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 01:46:41 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then >>> 3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day.
The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like >>> a chimney.
Well done. As to it getting easier: even at four years off of the >>damnable things I still crave a gasper every day. That's what
comes of taking up the evil weed at age nine.
My current non-smoking attempt is eased by the certain knollidge
that if ever I was to indulge in koffin nails again I'd xbss zr thgf hc
and promptly expire in a small puff of odoriferous grey smoke.
[koff, koff again]
[wistful] Gissa a fag, guv?...
I've often wished to try some weed - now that it's legal
- but very afraid that it might lead me back to tobacco ..
John T.
Recipes for diy edibles are on the web...
I've often wished to try some weed - now that it's legal
- but very afraid that it might lead me back to tobacco ..
John T.
On 01/08/2025 02:01, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
Over here the legal stuff contains CBD, which is good for pain relief,
I've often wished to try some weed - now that it's legal
- but very afraid that it might lead me back to tobacco ..
John T.
but no or very little THC, which is the mood altering stuff.
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 21:01:03 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 01:46:41 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then >>>> 3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day. >>>> The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like >>>> a chimney.
Well done. As to it getting easier: even at four years off of the >>>damnable things I still crave a gasper every day. That's what
comes of taking up the evil weed at age nine.
My current non-smoking attempt is eased by the certain knollidge
that if ever I was to indulge in koffin nails again I'd xbss zr thgf hc >>>and promptly expire in a small puff of odoriferous grey smoke.
[koff, koff again]
[wistful] Gissa a fag, guv?...
I've often wished to try some weed - now that it's legal
- but very afraid that it might lead me back to tobacco ..
John T.
Look for "edibles": CBD edibles are legal in the UK? THC are not?
Recipes for diy edibles are on the web...
Thomas Prufer
On 01/08/2025 02:01, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
Over here the legal stuff contains CBD, which is good for pain relief,
I've often wished to try some weed - now that it's legal
- but very afraid that it might lead me back to tobacco ..
John T.
but no or very little THC, which is the mood altering stuff.
On 2025-07-31, Chris Deuchar wrote:
On 31/07/2025 21:23, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot!
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
Someone close to me always has a fag on annual no smoking day Efno
Ah, the good old days where you could bum a fag in public :-)
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then
3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day.
The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like
a chimney.
Well done. As to it getting easier: even at four years off of the
damnable things I still crave a gasper every day. That's what
comes of taking up the evil weed at age nine.
My current non-smoking attempt is eased by the certain knollidge
that if ever I was to indulge in koffin nails again I'd xbss zr thgf hc
and promptly expire in a small puff of odoriferous grey smoke.
[koff, koff again]
[wistful] Gissa a fag, guv?...
On 2025-08-01, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
You could just try some oil in something, supposed to do the same thing, but many offerings have such a low content I doubt they would do anything.
I've often wished to try some weed - now that it's legal
- but very afraid that it might lead me back to tobacco ..
John T.
Peer pressure is a big factor - I moved from a town
where ~ 50 % of the hockey team and the ball team
all smoked - to a town where almost noone smoked -
- that was a huge factor I think.
On 2025-08-01, Mike Fleming wrote:
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then
3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day.
The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like
a chimney.
21 years is impressive, how long had smoked for?
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote in news:slrn108opej.32lf.SimonJ@silex.localdomain:
On 2025-07-31, Chris Deuchar wrote:
On 31/07/2025 21:23, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot! >>>>
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
Someone close to me always has a fag on annual no smoking day Efno
Ah, the good old days where you could bum a fag in public :-)
<snigger>
On 2025-07-31, Chris Deuchar wrote:
On 31/07/2025 21:23, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot!
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
Someone close to me always has a fag on annual no smoking day Efno
Ah, the good old days where you could bum a fag in public :-)
On 01/08/2025 12:06, Peter wrote:
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote in
news:slrn108opej.32lf.SimonJ@silex.localdomain:
On 2025-07-31, Chris Deuchar wrote:
On 31/07/2025 21:23, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot! >>>>>
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
Someone close to me always has a fag on annual no smoking day Efno
Ah, the good old days where you could bum a fag in public :-)
<snigger>
Beware of fag butts.
On 01/08/2025 01:46, Sn!pe wrote:
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then >>> 3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day.
The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like >>> a chimney.
Well done. As to it getting easier: even at four years off of the
damnable things I still crave a gasper every day. That's what
comes of taking up the evil weed at age nine.
My current non-smoking attempt is eased by the certain knollidge
that if ever I was to indulge in koffin nails again I'd xbss zr thgf hc
and promptly expire in a small puff of odoriferous grey smoke.
[koff, koff again]
[wistful] Gissa a fag, guv?...
I think maybe someone called Jim helped.
Along with several other bikers, I stayed in the Green Dragon in Hawes annually for several years. There was a local there called Jim who
occupied the window seat, smoking away. One year he told me that the
doctors had said to stop smoking or he'd lose a foot (as he lit up
another fag). The next year, he was on crutches and monopedal, still smoking. He wasn't there the following year - sadly his crutches weren't propped up in the corner, Tiny Tim-like. Still, he'd gone out smoking, presumably it was the way he wanted.
It was also on one of those weekends, in a tearoom near Hawes, that I
met someone with emphesyma who was on a permanent oxygen supply. He'd
been a smoker - he'd given up 30 years before, but it still caught him up.
Those episodes did help a bit.
On 01/08/2025 08:11, Simon wrote:
On 2025-08-01, Mike Fleming wrote:
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then >>> 3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day.
The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like >>> a chimney.
21 years is impressive, how long had smoked for?
About 35 years.
On 01/08/2025 at 07:59, Simon wrote:
On 2025-07-31, Chris Deuchar wrote:
On 31/07/2025 21:23, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot! >>>>
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
Someone close to me always has a fag on annual no smoking day Efno
Ah, the good old days where you could bum a fag in public :-)
Except in the 'States.
On 2025-08-01, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 21:01:03 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 01:46:41 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
[wistful] Gissa a fag, guv?...
I've often wished to try some weed - now that it's legal
- but very afraid that it might lead me back to tobacco ..
John T.
Look for "edibles": CBD edibles are legal in the UK? THC are not?
Recipes for diy edibles are on the web...
Thomas Prufer
Are there weed shop in the UK like they have in the USA?
On 2025-08-01, Mike Fleming wrote:
On 01/08/2025 12:06, Peter wrote:
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote in
On 2025-07-31, Chris Deuchar wrote:
On 31/07/2025 21:23, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot! >>>>>>
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
Someone close to me always has a fag on annual no smoking day Efno
Ah, the good old days where you could bum a fag in public :-)
<snigger>
Beware of fag butts.
People used to collect them and split them for any usable tobacco, you would have to be desperate to pick them up off the street and then suck it into your
lungs.
Simon said:
On 2025-08-01, Mike Fleming wrote:
On 01/08/2025 12:06, Peter wrote:
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote in
On 2025-07-31, Chris Deuchar wrote:
On 31/07/2025 21:23, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily rum tot! >>>>>>>
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
Someone close to me always has a fag on annual no smoking day Efno
Ah, the good old days where you could bum a fag in public :-)
<snigger>
Beware of fag butts.
People used to collect them and split them for any usable tobacco, you would >> have to be desperate to pick them up off the street and then suck it into your
lungs.
These days, pubs have ashtrays out on the street for people to break
open. It keeps them dry, I suppose. But sometimes it catches fire.
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 01:46:41 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then >>> 3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day.
The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like >>> a chimney.
Well done. As to it getting easier: even at four years off of the
damnable things I still crave a gasper every day. That's what
comes of taking up the evil weed at age nine.
My current non-smoking attempt is eased by the certain knollidge
that if ever I was to indulge in koffin nails again I'd xbss zr thgf hc
and promptly expire in a small puff of odoriferous grey smoke.
[koff, koff again]
[wistful] Gissa a fag, guv?...
I've often wished to try some weed - now that it's legalThey always said that cannabis was a gateway drug.
- but very afraid that it might lead me back to tobacco ..
John T.
On 2025-08-01, Richard Robinson wrote:
Simon said:Surely one of the basic functions of an ashtray is to not catch fire?
On 2025-08-01, Mike Fleming wrote:
On 01/08/2025 12:06, Peter wrote:
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote in
On 2025-07-31, Chris Deuchar wrote:
On 31/07/2025 21:23, Sam Plusnet wrote:Ah, the good old days where you could bum a fag in public :-)
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily >>>>>>>>> rum tot!
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
Someone close to me always has a fag on annual no smoking day Efno >>>>>>
<snigger>
Beware of fag butts.
People used to collect them and split them for any usable tobacco,
you would have to be desperate to pick them up off the street and
then suck it into your lungs.
These days, pubs have ashtrays out on the street for people to break
open. It keeps them dry, I suppose. But sometimes it catches fire.
On 01/08/2025 02:01, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 01:46:41 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:They always said that cannabis was a gateway drug.
I've often wished to try some weed - now that it's legal
- but very afraid that it might lead me back to tobacco ..
John T.
P.S. You could try cooking with it.
On 01/08/2025 02:01, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 01:46:41 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:They always said that cannabis was a gateway drug.
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/07/2025 23:46, Sn!pe wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
One day at a time - it gets easier. My first attempt was 18 months, then >>>> 3 months, and the current one has been 21 years pretty much to the day. >>>> The first and second attempts, and the first year and a half of the
third attempt, were made more difficult by having a wife who smoked like >>>> a chimney.
Well done. As to it getting easier: even at four years off of the
damnable things I still crave a gasper every day. That's what
comes of taking up the evil weed at age nine.
My current non-smoking attempt is eased by the certain knollidge
that if ever I was to indulge in koffin nails again I'd xbss zr thgf hc
and promptly expire in a small puff of odoriferous grey smoke.
[koff, koff again]
[wistful] Gissa a fag, guv?...
I've often wished to try some weed - now that it's legal
- but very afraid that it might lead me back to tobacco ..
John T.
P.S. You could try cooking with it.
Simon said:
On 2025-08-01, Richard Robinson wrote:
Simon said:Surely one of the basic functions of an ashtray is to not catch fire?
On 2025-08-01, Mike Fleming wrote:
On 01/08/2025 12:06, Peter wrote:
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote in
On 2025-07-31, Chris Deuchar wrote:
On 31/07/2025 21:23, Sam Plusnet wrote:Ah, the good old days where you could bum a fag in public :-)
On 31/07/2025 09:38, Hymermut wrote:
On this day in 1970, the Royal Navy stopped issuing the daily >>>>>>>>>> rum tot!
Happily, I had a 'tot' in front of me as I read your post.
It's the only way to mark such anniversaries.
Someone close to me always has a fag on annual no smoking day Efno >>>>>>>
<snigger>
Beware of fag butts.
People used to collect them and split them for any usable tobacco,
you would have to be desperate to pick them up off the street and
then suck it into your lungs.
These days, pubs have ashtrays out on the street for people to break
open. It keeps them dry, I suppose. But sometimes it catches fire.
Only if it's a wet one. The basic wbo is to have stuff put in it. If
that's a burning fag-end ...
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
I've often wished to try some weed - now that it's legal
- but very afraid that it might lead me back to tobacco ..
People used to collect them and split them for any usable tobacco, you would have to be desperate to pick them up off the street and then suck it into your
lungs.
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 21:01:03 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com
<hubops@ccanoemail.com> wrote:
I've often wished to try some weed - now that it's legal
- but very afraid that it might lead me back to tobacco ..
So stick to gummies.
https://www.thcgummies.com/
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 12:42:37 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
People used to collect them and split them for any usable tobacco, you would >> have to be desperate to pick them up off the street and then suck it into your
lungs.
I have seen two people do this in the past year. This
should illustrate how addictive tobacco is,
At 15 quid for 20, rolling butts begins to look
attractive,
On 2025-08-02, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 12:42:37 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote: >>>Wow, that is expensive, you would not give them away to strangers anymore then.
People used to collect them and split them for any usable tobacco, you would
have to be desperate to pick them up off the street and then suck it into >your
lungs.
I have seen two people do this in the past year. This
should illustrate how addictive tobacco is,
At 15 quid for 20, rolling butts begins to look
attractive,
On 01/08/2025 01:55, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
Peer pressure-a-a is-a a big factor-a --a I moved from a town
where-a-a ~-a 50 %-a of the hockey team and the ball team
-a-a all smoked-a --a to a town where-a almost noone smoked-a -
-a-a --a-a that was-a-a a-a huge-a-a factor-a-a-a I think.
My failure at 18 months was when I got made redundant (adding to
stress), and got a temporary wbo as a motorcycle courier. I was the only
one in the office full of dispatchers and couriers that didn't smoked.
That lasted about a week.
My mistress at the time I started the current attempt in 2004 (who
became Mrs Zero in 2008) decided that she would also give up - New
Year's resolution for the start of 2005. Her "friends" kept trying to persuade her to smoke again but she persisted and has remained a
smokeless zone ever since - which is just as well as she has COPD as a consequence of smoking and lung function reduced by 10%.
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:46:12 +0100, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
Tobacco is the most addictive substance known`, yet it is
deadly and perfectly legal.
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 12:42:37 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
People used to collect them and split them for any usable tobacco, you would >> have to be desperate to pick them up off the street and then suck it into your
lungs.
I have seen two people do this in the past year. This
should illustrate how addictive tobacco is,
At 15 quid for 20, rolling butts begins to look
attractive,
It began immediately after catching a bad bout of covid late in 1919.
Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
It began immediately after catching a bad bout of covid late in 1919.
Dang, Tone, you're looking good considering your age.
On 02/08/2025 08:57, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:46:12 +0100, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
Tobacco is the most addictive substance known`, yet it is
deadly and perfectly legal.
Dunno.
An outfit calling itself The Addiction Center (note spelling) says that,
of:
"The 5 Most Addictive Substances on Earth"
Nicotine just squeaks in at number 5.
I have no idea if their information is correct, but it does suggest
there are different views on this.
An outfit calling itself The Addiction Center (note spelling) says that,There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while ago, which claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and harder to give up
of:
"The 5 Most Addictive Substances on Earth"
Nicotine just squeaks in at number 5.
I have no idea if their information is correct, but it does suggest
there are different views on this.
than heroin partly because the mood shifting effects are more subtle.
I have COPD with lungs at 50% currently. They were at 40% this time last year, but an inhaler has helped.From what I have seen they don't really understand covid at all. I know someone who still has issues from it and they grudgingly admit they don't know why.
It began immediately after catching a bad bout of covid late in 1919.
(In UK covid began in York where I reside. First reported cases in early 2020)
I gave up smoking in 1974. Couldn't breath at night. I began smoking in
1955 (aged 13). Of course the RN didn't help, with the monthly duty free blue liner cigarette or shag tobacco or pipe tobacco issues up until I
left in 1970
My COPD has been medically blamed on my smoking, not covid. I disagree.
I could breath fine before covid.
Tone
Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
It began immediately after catching a bad bout of covid late in 1919.
Dang, Tone, you're looking good considering your age.
On 02/08/2025 08:57, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:46:12 +0100, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
Tobacco is the most addictive substance known`, yet it is
deadly and perfectly legal.
Dunno.
An outfit calling itself The Addiction Center (note spelling) says that, of: "The 5 Most Addictive Substances on Earth"
Nicotine just squeaks in at number 5.
I have no idea if their information is correct, but it does suggest
there are different views on this.
On 02/08/2025 21:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 02/08/2025 08:57, Julian Macassey wrote:There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while ago, which claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and harder to give up
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:46:12 +0100, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
Tobacco is the most addictive substance known`, yet it is
deadly and perfectly legal.
Dunno.
An outfit calling itself The Addiction Center (note spelling) says that,
of:
"The 5 Most Addictive Substances on Earth"
Nicotine just squeaks in at number 5.
I have no idea if their information is correct, but it does suggest
there are different views on this.
than heroin partly because the mood shifting effects are more subtle.
On 02/08/2025 22:04, John Williamson wrote:
Found the guy that did the experiment..An outfit calling itself The Addiction Center (note spelling) says that, >>> of:There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while ago, which
"The 5 Most Addictive Substances on Earth"
Nicotine just squeaks in at number 5.
I have no idea if their information is correct, but it does suggest
there are different views on this.
claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and harder to give up
than heroin partly because the mood shifting effects are more subtle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p058kz6b
On 02/08/2025 09:15, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 12:42:37 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote: >>>Lummy! They have gone up since I last smoked <does some sums> 37 years ago.
People used to collect them and split them for any usable tobacco, you would
have to be desperate to pick them up off the street and then suck it into your
lungs.
I have seen two people do this in the past year. This
should illustrate how addictive tobacco is,
At 15 quid for 20, rolling butts begins to look
attractive,
On 2025-08-02, John Williamson wrote:
On 02/08/2025 22:04, John Williamson wrote:
There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while ago, whichFound the guy that did the experiment..
claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and harder to give up
than heroin partly because the mood shifting effects are more subtle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p058kz6b
Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 12:42:37 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
People used to collect them and split them for any usable tobacco, you would >> have to be desperate to pick them up off the street and then suck it into your
lungs.
I have seen two people do this in the past year. This
should illustrate how addictive tobacco is,
At 15 quid for 20, rolling butts begins to look
attractive,
On 03/08/2025 07:12, Simon wrote:
On 2025-08-02, John Williamson wrote:It jbexf here in the UK. I just checked the link. It may have been
On 02/08/2025 22:04, John Williamson wrote:
There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while ago, which >>>> claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and harder to give upFound the guy that did the experiment..
than heroin partly because the mood shifting effects are more subtle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p058kz6b
Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here
geofemced by your IP address. It is the BBC World service and they have
been playing silly games lately.
In article <slrn108ri95.qj0q.julian@n6are.com>, Julian Macassey
<julian@n6are.com> on Sat, 2 Aug 2025 at 08:15:33 awoke Nicholas from
his slumbers and wrote
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 12:42:37 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:You could always GYO. It is perfectly legal in the UK to GYO. A packet
People used to collect them and split them for any usable tobacco, you would
have to be desperate to pick them up off the street and then suck it into your
lungs.
I have seen two people do this in the past year. This
should illustrate how addictive tobacco is,
At 15 quid for 20, rolling butts begins to look
attractive,
of seeds costs a few -u-u-us. When I grew it, it grew almost like a weed
in Sarf London.
The leaves are an attractive green and the perfumed flowers are
attractive to pollinators. Not being an addict I have no idea how much
work is required to turn fresh leaves into coffin nails.
On 2025-08-03, John Williamson wrote:
On 03/08/2025 07:12, Simon wrote:Possibly, they have been messing with EU connections because, they say,
On 2025-08-02, John Williamson wrote:It jbexf here in the UK. I just checked the link. It may have been
On 02/08/2025 22:04, John Williamson wrote:Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here
There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while ago,Found the guy that did the experiment..
which claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and harder to
give up than heroin partly because the mood shifting effects are
more subtle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p058kz6b
geofemced by your IP address. It is the BBC World service and they have
been playing silly games lately.
of GDPR which is an EU thing. Normally I just move on, there is nothing
the BBC have that I can't see somewhere else.
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:07:21 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid>
wrote:
On 2025-08-03, John Williamson wrote:
On 03/08/2025 07:12, Simon wrote:Possibly, they have been messing with EU connections because, they say,
On 2025-08-02, John Williamson wrote:It jbexf here in the UK. I just checked the link. It may have been
On 02/08/2025 22:04, John Williamson wrote:Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here
There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while ago,Found the guy that did the experiment..
which claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and harder to >>>>>> give up than heroin partly because the mood shifting effects are
more subtle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p058kz6b
geofemced by your IP address. It is the BBC World service and they
have been playing silly games lately.
of GDPR which is an EU thing. Normally I just move on, there is nothing
the BBC have that I can't see somewhere else.
In case a back-up is ever needed ;-)
https://www.dctower.cocc.uk/files/p058kz6b.m4a
Avpx
Who has no idea how _that_ happened
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:07:21 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-08-03, John Williamson wrote:
On 03/08/2025 07:12, Simon wrote:Possibly, they have been messing with EU connections because, they say,
On 2025-08-02, John Williamson wrote:It jbexf here in the UK. I just checked the link. It may have been
On 02/08/2025 22:04, John Williamson wrote:Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here
There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while ago,Found the guy that did the experiment..
which claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and harder to >>>>>> give up than heroin partly because the mood shifting effects are
more subtle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p058kz6b
geofemced by your IP address. It is the BBC World service and they have
been playing silly games lately.
of GDPR which is an EU thing. Normally I just move on, there is nothing
the BBC have that I can't see somewhere else.
In case a back-up is ever needed ;-)
https://www.dctower.cocc.uk/files/p058kz6b.m4a
Avpx
Who has no idea how _that_ happened
On Sun, 03 Aug 2025 09:15:07 GMT, The Nomad <nomad@the.desert.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:07:21 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid>
wrote:
On 2025-08-03, John Williamson wrote:
On 03/08/2025 07:12, Simon wrote:Possibly, they have been messing with EU connections because, they say,
On 2025-08-02, John Williamson wrote:It jbexf here in the UK. I just checked the link. It may have been
On 02/08/2025 22:04, John Williamson wrote:Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here
There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while ago, >>>>>>> which claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and harder to >>>>>>> give up than heroin partly because the mood shifting effects are >>>>>>> more subtle.Found the guy that did the experiment..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p058kz6b
geofemced by your IP address. It is the BBC World service and they
have been playing silly games lately.
of GDPR which is an EU thing. Normally I just move on, there is nothing
the BBC have that I can't see somewhere else.
In case a back-up is ever needed ;-)
https://www.dctower.cocc.uk/files/p058kz6b.m4a
Avpx
Who has no idea how _that_ happened
Obviously correct the tld to something sensible :-)
Avpx
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:07:21 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-08-03, John Williamson wrote:
On 03/08/2025 07:12, Simon wrote:Possibly, they have been messing with EU connections because, they say,
On 2025-08-02, John Williamson wrote:It jbexf here in the UK. I just checked the link. It may have been
On 02/08/2025 22:04, John Williamson wrote:Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here
There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while ago,Found the guy that did the experiment..
which claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and harder to >>>>>> give up than heroin partly because the mood shifting effects are
more subtle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p058kz6b
geofemced by your IP address. It is the BBC World service and they have
been playing silly games lately.
of GDPR which is an EU thing. Normally I just move on, there is nothing
the BBC have that I can't see somewhere else.
In case a back-up is ever needed ;-)
https://www.dctower.cocc.uk/files/p058kz6b.m4a
On 2025-08-03, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
You could always GYO. It is perfectly legal in the UK to GYO. A packet
of seeds costs a few -u-u-us. When I grew it, it grew almost like a weed
in Sarf London.
The leaves are an attractive green and the perfumed flowers are
attractive to pollinators. Not being an addict I have no idea how much
work is required to turn fresh leaves into coffin nails.
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it. I always assumed
you would need a large amount to make a profit, or indeed worthwhile.
On 03/08/2025 10:15, The Nomad wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:07:21 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:We're not doing very well here, are we? From the UK...
On 2025-08-03, John Williamson wrote:
On 03/08/2025 07:12, Simon wrote:Possibly, they have been messing with EU connections because, they say,
On 2025-08-02, John Williamson wrote:It jbexf here in the UK. I just checked the link. It may have been
On 02/08/2025 22:04, John Williamson wrote:Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here
There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while ago, >>>>>>> which claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and harder to >>>>>>> give up than heroin partly because the mood shifting effects are >>>>>>> more subtle.Found the guy that did the experiment..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p058kz6b
geofemced by your IP address. It is the BBC World service and they have >>>> been playing silly games lately.
of GDPR which is an EU thing. Normally I just move on, there is nothing
the BBC have that I can't see somewhere else.
In case a back-up is ever needed ;-)
https://www.dctower.cocc.uk/files/p058kz6b.m4a
"Hmm. WerCOre having trouble finding that site.
We canrCOt connect to the server at www.dctower.cocc.uk."
It depends how much you want. The farms are a major supplier so need
maximum production per square foot, which involves hydroponics, heat and lighting. In the 1970s, a friend of mine managed to get enough for his
needs from a few small patches on south facing railway embankments.
Nobody noticed, as nobody except him ever looked closely, and nobody
ever cleared the undergrowth.
Quite a good wheeze if you happen to be travelling round the canals on a regular basis. A patch here, a patch there, and collect some every time
you cruised past. No way for the authorities to find out who planted it,
as you'd be miles away, if ever they found it. It would probably still work...
As someone who reads urls in emails even, I thought it might be a way to
stop spammers from getting the real URL and changed to co.uk wich worked
:-)
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 10:00:24 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
<Snip>
As someone who reads urls in emails even, I thought it might be a way to
stop spammers from getting the real URL and changed to co.uk wich worked
:-)
or it was an ffm (*), but good idea :-)
Avpx
(*) Fat Finger Moment
I do watch some narrowboat videos so will keep an eye out for them. Although I
will need to visit a wiki page to be sure I am looking for the right thing. :-)
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
On 2025-08-02, John Williamson wrote:
On 02/08/2025 21:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:As a matter of course now, I doubt any fact coming from the US these days. I am
On 02/08/2025 08:57, Julian Macassey wrote:There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while ago, which
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:46:12 +0100, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
Tobacco is the most addictive substance known`, yet it is
deadly and perfectly legal.
Dunno.
An outfit calling itself The Addiction Center (note spelling) says that, >>> of:
"The 5 Most Addictive Substances on Earth"
Nicotine just squeaks in at number 5.
I have no idea if their information is correct, but it does suggest
there are different views on this.
claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and harder to give up
than heroin partly because the mood shifting effects are more subtle.
sure this was a clinical trial but I would still want to read the source before
accepting it.
On 03/08/2025 11:03, Simon wrote:
I do watch some narrowboat videos so will keep an eye out for them. Although IIf they still exist, they will be nowhere near the towpath so will not
will need to visit a wiki page to be sure I am looking for the right thing. :-)
show on the videos. Too many people walking past.
Simon wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always find >> weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door
after higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical equipment 24x7 ...
On 2025-08-03, Andy Burns wrote:
Simon wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always find
weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from
smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door
after higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical
equipment 24x7 ...
I have no doubt, and I would not be surprised if they turn off the medical equipment while someone "investigates" if it is allowed.
Simon said:
As a matter of course now, I doubt any fact coming from the US these days. I am
sure this was a clinical trial but I would still want to read the source before
accepting it.
This is true of anything around the tobaacco industry, given the zbarl involved. And many other industries too.
On 03/08/2025 15:50, Simon wrote:
On 2025-08-03, Andy Burns wrote:The way it tends to work in the UK is they wander past vacant properties with a heat sensing camera. The growers bypass the meters and incoming
Simon wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always find
weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from
smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door
after higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical
equipment 24x7 ...
I have no doubt, and I would not be surprised if they turn off the medical >> equipment while someone "investigates" if it is allowed.
fuses anyway.
Simon wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always find >> weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door
after higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical equipment 24x7 ...
On 03/08/2025 15:50, Simon wrote:
On 2025-08-03, Andy Burns wrote:The way it tends to work in the UK is they wander past vacant properties >with a heat sensing camera. The growers bypass the meters and incoming
Simon wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always find
weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from
smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door
after higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical
equipment 24x7 ...
I have no doubt, and I would not be surprised if they turn off the medical >> equipment while someone "investigates" if it is allowed.
fuses anyway.
In article <mf9bi4FmrjiU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Sun, 3 Aug 2025 at 15:54:59 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
On 03/08/2025 15:50, Simon wrote:Sometimes causing the supply side to blow up (quite literally). Once a
On 2025-08-03, Andy Burns wrote:The way it tends to work in the UK is they wander past vacant properties >>with a heat sensing camera. The growers bypass the meters and incoming >>fuses anyway.
Simon wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always find
weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from >>>> smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door
after higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical
equipment 24x7 ...
I have no doubt, and I would not be surprised if they turn off the medical >>> equipment while someone "investigates" if it is allowed.
hole was blown in the pathway 50yds from my home, and a second time the
cover to the street level junction landed in my garden. The explanation
that I was given by UK Power was exactly that.
Simon wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they
always find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to
grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door
after higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical equipment 24x7 ...
On 2025-08-03, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
In article <mf9bi4FmrjiU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Sun, 3 Aug 2025 at 15:54:59 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
On 03/08/2025 15:50, Simon wrote:Sometimes causing the supply side to blow up (quite literally). Once a
On 2025-08-03, Andy Burns wrote:The way it tends to work in the UK is they wander past vacant properties >>> with a heat sensing camera. The growers bypass the meters and incoming
Simon wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always find
weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from >>>>> smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door >>>>> after higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical >>>>> equipment 24x7 ...
I have no doubt, and I would not be surprised if they turn off the medical >>>> equipment while someone "investigates" if it is allowed.
fuses anyway.
hole was blown in the pathway 50yds from my home, and a second time the
cover to the street level junction landed in my garden. The explanation
that I was given by UK Power was exactly that.
You would think there would be protections against the explosions, and also they
would know the electric usage has suddenly gone up so send someone to investigate.
On 03/08/2025 20:46, Simon wrote:
On 2025-08-03, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:find
In article <mf9bi4FmrjiU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Sun, 3 Aug 2025 at 15:54:59 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
On 03/08/2025 15:50, Simon wrote:
On 2025-08-03, Andy Burns wrote:
Simon wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always
Sometimes causing the supply side to blow up (quite literally). Once aThe way it tends to work in the UK is they wander past vacant properties >>>> with a heat sensing camera. The growers bypass the meters and incoming >>>> fuses anyway.weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from >>>>>> smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door >>>>>> after higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical >>>>>> equipment 24x7 ...
I have no doubt, and I would not be surprised if they turn off the medical
equipment while someone "investigates" if it is allowed.
hole was blown in the pathway 50yds from my home, and a second time the
cover to the street level junction landed in my garden. The explanation >>> that I was given by UK Power was exactly that.
You would think there would be protections against the explosions,
and also
they
would know the electric usage has suddenly gone up so send someone toThe only local metering os on each supply and the input to the local >substation, which covers about a square mile.
investigate.
On 03/08/2025 20:46, Simon wrote:
On 2025-08-03, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:The only local metering os on each supply and the input to the local substation, which covers about a square mile.
In article <mf9bi4FmrjiU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Sun, 3 Aug 2025 at 15:54:59 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
On 03/08/2025 15:50, Simon wrote:Sometimes causing the supply side to blow up (quite literally). Once a
On 2025-08-03, Andy Burns wrote:The way it tends to work in the UK is they wander past vacant properties >>>> with a heat sensing camera. The growers bypass the meters and incoming >>>> fuses anyway.
Simon wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always find
weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from >>>>>> smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door >>>>>> after higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical >>>>>> equipment 24x7 ...
I have no doubt, and I would not be surprised if they turn off the medical
equipment while someone "investigates" if it is allowed.
hole was blown in the pathway 50yds from my home, and a second time the
cover to the street level junction landed in my garden. The explanation >>> that I was given by UK Power was exactly that.
You would think there would be protections against the explosions, and also they
would know the electric usage has suddenly gone up so send someone to
investigate.
There is, it is a fuse on the supply side of the meter. However theyAh, OK, that does make sense. I wonder how they get away with the initial cable though, no-one notices?
by-pass meter AND fuse, the usage they require would blow the supply
side fuse. House/apartments have caught fire as a result of this
extremely dangerous manoeuvre.
On 2025-08-03, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
<snip>
There is, it is a fuse on the supply side of the meter. However they
by-pass meter AND fuse, the usage they require would blow the supply
side fuse. House/apartments have caught fire as a result of this >>extremely dangerous manoeuvre.
Ah, OK, that does make sense. I wonder how they get away with the initial cable
though, no-one notices?
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 20:27:49 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid>
wrote:
On 2025-08-03, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
<snip>
There is, it is a fuse on the supply side of the meter. However they
by-pass meter AND fuse, the usage they require would blow the supply
side fuse. House/apartments have caught fire as a result of this >>>extremely dangerous manoeuvre.
Ah, OK, that does make sense. I wonder how they get away with the initial cable
though, no-one notices?
Basement dig-through - rubber gloves -
.. not too difficult .. a little dangerous ..
In North America it's 230 volts into the home -
2 115 volt legs ... not terribly deadly ..
John T.
There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while
ago, which claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and
harder to give up than heroin partly because the mood shifting
effects are more subtle.
Andy Burns said:
Simon wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always find
weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from
smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door
after higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical
equipment 24x7 ...
And driving the uptakee of solar panels ?
On 2025-08-02, John Williamson wrote:
On 02/08/2025 21:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 02/08/2025 08:57, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 23:46:12 +0100, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
I'm a non-smoker of four years standing in my current attempt.
I know full well that if I had just one cigarette now, I'd be back
on them again full-time straight away, absolutely guaranteed.
Tobacco is the most addictive substance known`, yet it is
deadly and perfectly legal.
Dunno.
An outfit calling itself The Addiction Center (note spelling) says that, >>> of:
"The 5 Most Addictive Substances on Earth"
Nicotine just squeaks in at number 5.
There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while ago, which
I have no idea if their information is correct, but it does suggest
there are different views on this.
claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and harder to give up
than heroin partly because the mood shifting effects are more subtle.
As a matter of course now, I doubt any fact coming from the US
these days. I am sure this was a clinical trial but I would
still want to read the source before accepting it.
You could always GYO. It is perfectly legal in the UK to GYO. A packet
of seeds costs a few -u-u-us. When I grew it, it grew almost like a weed
in Sarf London.
The leaves are an attractive green and the perfumed flowers are
attractive to pollinators. Not being an addict I have no idea how much
work is required to turn fresh leaves into coffin nails.
On 2025-08-03, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 20:27:49 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid>
wrote:
On 2025-08-03, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
<snip>
There is, it is a fuse on the supply side of the meter. However they
by-pass meter AND fuse, the usage they require would blow the supply
side fuse. House/apartments have caught fire as a result of this >>>>extremely dangerous manoeuvre.
Ah, OK, that does make sense. I wonder how they get away with the initial cable
though, no-one notices?
Basement dig-through - rubber gloves -
.. not too difficult .. a little dangerous ..
In North America it's 230 volts into the home -
2 115 volt legs ... not terribly deadly ..
John T.
I would not know what to look for, I imagine a very hot pavement or smoke coming
from a cable. :-)
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows
they always find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power
used to grow it. I always assumed you would need a large amount
to make a profit, or indeed worthwhile.
Simon wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from
smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door after higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical equipment
24x7 ...
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:08:58 -0000 (UTC), Simon
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows
they always find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power
used to grow it. I always assumed you would need a large amount
to make a profit, or indeed worthwhile.
But Marijuana, not tobacco is illegal to grow, so is
often grown indoors away from prying eyes and sped along with
lights, water, fertiliser and CO2.
Tobacco will grow outdoors, but does benefit from
applictions of fertiliser.
On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 22:04:06 +0100, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
There was an experiment using students in the USofA a while
ago, which claimed to show that nicotine is more addictive and
harder to give up than heroin partly because the mood shifting
effects are more subtle.
I have known several former heroin addicts, they all told
me that tobacco is much harder to give up than heroin.
In article <106o5i6$1nh5k$1@dont-email.me>, Richard Robinson
<richard@qualmograph.org.uk> on Sun, 3 Aug 2025 at 17:16:54 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
Andy Burns said:You would need a serious level of solar panels and an alternative power source when the sun don't shine
Simon wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always find
weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from >>> smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door
after higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical
equipment 24x7 ...
And driving the uptakee of solar panels ?
An outfit calling itself The Addiction Center (note spelling) says that, >>>> of:
"The 5 Most Addictive Substances on Earth"
Nicotine just squeaks in at number 5.
I just looked at this. There is no money in nicotine
rehab, you never get tested for nicotine when you apply for a job
in the US.
So I see this from the massive influence of the US
"Recovery" industry.
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:56:09 +0100, Nicholas D. Richards
<nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
You could always GYO. It is perfectly legal in the UK to GYO. A packet
of seeds costs a few -u-u-us. When I grew it, it grew almost like a weed
in Sarf London.
The leaves are an attractive green and the perfumed flowers are
attractive to pollinators. Not being an addict I have no idea how much
work is required to turn fresh leaves into coffin nails.
I have seen it growing ferally in San Francisco.
As a youth, I smoked dried petunia leaves.
https://americangardener.net/plants-with-high-nicotine-content/
Thermo-cameras have been used to detect the abnormal power usage.
One case was reported by suspicious neighbours - who questioned
the activities and behaviour of the "homeowners" who came & went
and had no "stuff" at all in the garage ..
... who has a _totally empty_ garage ?
John T.
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:08:58 -0000 (UTC), SimonI bet another issue would be people taking anything even close to ready if it was publicly accessible. Nothing is safe these days, not even illegal weed.
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows
they always find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power
used to grow it. I always assumed you would need a large amount
to make a profit, or indeed worthwhile.
But Marijuana, not tobacco is illegal to grow, so is
often grown indoors away from prying eyes and sped along with
lights, water, fertiliser and CO2.
Tobacco will grow outdoors, but does benefit from
applictions of fertiliser.
I recall someone who took advantage of her 'little old lady' status and
grew a single plant, 7 foot high, in her postage-stamp sized front garden.
Passers by would smile at the innocent old lady who clearly had no idea
what her 'strange plant' was.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
Simon wrote:I thort the weedfarms just tapped into the notional grid.
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows they always
find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power used to grow it.
In the land of the free, the ecilops are mass-importing usage data from
smart meters and people are getting early morning knocks on the door after >> higher electrickery usage from cryptomining or running medical equipment
24x7 ...
On 2025-08-03, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:56:09 +0100, Nicholas D. Richards >><nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
You could always GYO. It is perfectly legal in the UK to
GYO. A packet of seeds costs a few -u-u-us. When I grew it, it
grew almost like a weed in Sarf London.
The leaves are an attractive green and the perfumed flowers
are attractive to pollinators. Not being an addict I have no
idea how much work is required to turn fresh leaves into
coffin nails.
I have seen it growing ferally in San Francisco.
As a youth, I smoked dried petunia leaves.
https://americangardener.net/plants-with-high-nicotine-content/
Would that be someone who started a crop and either got caught
or just forgot it was there? I suppose it must grow in the
wild, imagine finding a huge crop of it just sitting there. :-)
On 2025-08-03, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:08:58 -0000 (UTC), SimonI bet another issue would be people taking anything even close to ready if it was publicly accessible. Nothing is safe these days, not even illegal weed.
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows
they always find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power
used to grow it. I always assumed you would need a large amount
to make a profit, or indeed worthwhile.
But Marijuana, not tobacco is illegal to grow, so is
often grown indoors away from prying eyes and sped along with
lights, water, fertiliser and CO2.
Like horse poop? I would not fancy smoking that. :-)
Tobacco will grow outdoors, but does benefit from
applictions of fertiliser.
On 2025-08-03, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:08:58 -0000 (UTC), SimonI bet another issue would be people taking anything even close to ready if it was publicly accessible. Nothing is safe these days, not even illegal weed.
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows
they always find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power
used to grow it. I always assumed you would need a large amount
to make a profit, or indeed worthwhile.
But Marijuana, not tobacco is illegal to grow, so is
often grown indoors away from prying eyes and sped along with
lights, water, fertiliser and CO2.
Like horse poop? I would not fancy smoking that. :-)
Tobacco will grow outdoors, but does benefit from
applictions of fertiliser.
On 04/08/2025 00:49, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:08:58 -0000 (UTC), Simon
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows
they always find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power
used to grow it. I always assumed you would need a large amount
to make a profit, or indeed worthwhile.
But Marijuana, not tobacco is illegal to grow, so is
often grown indoors away from prying eyes and sped along with
lights, water, fertiliser and CO2.
Tobacco will grow outdoors, but does benefit from
applictions of fertiliser.
I recall someone who took advantage of her 'little old lady' status and
grew a single plant, 7 foot high, in her postage-stamp sized front garden.
Passers by would smile at the innocent old lady who clearly had no idea
what her 'strange plant' was.
On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 06:06:23 -0000 (UTC), Simon
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-08-03, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:56:09 +0100, Nicholas D. Richards >>><nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
You could always GYO. It is perfectly legal in the UK to
GYO. A packet of seeds costs a few -u-u-us. When I grew it, it
grew almost like a weed in Sarf London.
The leaves are an attractive green and the perfumed flowers
are attractive to pollinators. Not being an addict I have no
idea how much work is required to turn fresh leaves into
coffin nails.
I have seen it growing ferally in San Francisco.
As a youth, I smoked dried petunia leaves.
https://americangardener.net/plants-with-high-nicotine-content/
Would that be someone who started a crop and either got caught
or just forgot it was there? I suppose it must grow in the
wild, imagine finding a huge crop of it just sitting there. :-)
We are talking tobacco here, it isn't illegal to grow
tobacco.
On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 06:10:22 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-08-03, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:08:58 -0000 (UTC), SimonI bet another issue would be people taking anything even close to ready if it
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows
they always find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power
used to grow it. I always assumed you would need a large amount
to make a profit, or indeed worthwhile.
But Marijuana, not tobacco is illegal to grow, so is
often grown indoors away from prying eyes and sped along with
lights, water, fertiliser and CO2.
was publicly accessible. Nothing is safe these days, not even illegal weed. >>>
Tobacco will grow outdoors, but does benefit fromLike horse poop? I would not fancy smoking that. :-)
applictions of fertiliser.
If you think burning somdething grown on land ferilised
with shit is bad, what about all the food you eat?
I always say it takes 3 - 4 _years_ to get rid of the
addiction - not weeks not months ...
Do not be fooled.
On 2025-08-04, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 06:10:22 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2025-08-03, Julian Macassey wrote:Food is washed before consumption, can you wash tobacco leaves? I suppose but I
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:08:58 -0000 (UTC), SimonI bet another issue would be people taking anything even close to ready if it
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows
they always find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power
used to grow it. I always assumed you would need a large amount
to make a profit, or indeed worthwhile.
But Marijuana, not tobacco is illegal to grow, so is
often grown indoors away from prying eyes and sped along with
lights, water, fertiliser and CO2.
was publicly accessible. Nothing is safe these days, not even illegal weed.
Like horse poop? I would not fancy smoking that. :-)
Tobacco will grow outdoors, but does benefit from
applictions of fertiliser.
If you think burning somdething grown on land ferilised
with shit is bad, what about all the food you eat?
pictured someone just rolling is from the plant.
Traditionally, so I am led to believe, Cuban cigars were made by ladies rubbing the tobacco leaves between their naked thighs!
In article <slrn1091hkl.10l1h.SimonJ@silex.localdomain>, Simon
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> on Mon, 4 Aug 2025 at 14:41:25 awoke Nicholas from
his slumbers and wrote
On 2025-08-04, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 06:10:22 -0000 (UTC), Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 2025-08-03, Julian Macassey wrote:Food is washed before consumption, can you wash tobacco leaves? I suppose but I
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 09:08:58 -0000 (UTC), SimonI bet another issue would be people taking anything even close to ready if it
<SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
I have no first hand experience, but on the police TV shows
they always find weed farms due to the amount of heat and power
used to grow it. I always assumed you would need a large amount
to make a profit, or indeed worthwhile.
But Marijuana, not tobacco is illegal to grow, so is
often grown indoors away from prying eyes and sped along with
lights, water, fertiliser and CO2.
was publicly accessible. Nothing is safe these days, not even illegal weed.
Like horse poop? I would not fancy smoking that. :-)
Tobacco will grow outdoors, but does benefit from
applictions of fertiliser.
If you think burning somdething grown on land ferilised
with shit is bad, what about all the food you eat?
pictured someone just rolling is from the plant.
Traditionally, so I am led to believe, Cuban cigars were made by ladies rubbing the tobacco leaves between their naked thighs!
Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
Traditionally, so I am led to believe, Cuban cigars were made by ladies
rubbing the tobacco leaves between their naked thighs!
The phrase I heard was "rolled on the thigh of a dusky maiden".
ObNotRacist:
Other varieties of maiden's thighs are available at no extra charge.
Food is washed before consumption, can you wash tobacco leaves? I suppose but I
pictured someone just rolling is from the plant.
Food is washed before consumption, can you wash tobacco leaves? I suppose but I
pictured someone just rolling is from the plant.
I believe some grades of light tobacco dont contain enough nicotine for
the likes of Philip Morris, so they have extra nicotine sprayed on.
I imagine that actual washing is off limits as it might wash the
nicotine out ?
Most ready made cigarettes also have a bit of saltpetre added to the mix
to keep the thing smoulderising
Traditionally, so I am led to believe, Cuban cigars were made
by ladies rubbing the tobacco leaves between their naked
thighs!
On 2025-08-04, Sn!pe wrote:
The phrase I heard was "rolled on the thigh of a dusky maiden".
ObNotRacist:
Other varieties of maiden's thighs are available at no extra charge.
Well this has taken an unexpected turn, tell me more of these maidens. :-)
On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 19:59:56 +0100, Nicholas D. Richards
<nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
Traditionally, so I am led to believe, Cuban cigars were made
by ladies rubbing the tobacco leaves between their naked
thighs!
Cuban cigars are made on tables. mostly by men.
Burmese cheroots of the other hand are made by women,
usually sittigng cross legged on the ground.
My mother who was in Burma (Now Mayanmar) during WWII
told me that young Tommies were mesmerised by young Burmese women
rolling cheroots by raising their sarongs and rolling on their
inner thigh.
On 2025-08-05, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
Food is washed before consumption, can you wash tobacco leaves? I suppose but I
pictured someone just rolling is from the plant.
I believe some grades of light tobacco dont contain enough nicotine for
the likes of Philip Morris, so they have extra nicotine sprayed on.
I imagine that actual washing is off limits as it might wash the
nicotine out ?
Most ready made cigarettes also have a bit of saltpetre added to the mix
to keep the thing smoulderising
Ah yes, I remember now if you rolled your own they would go out if you left it
alone, but pre-made ones would turn to ash.
On 05/08/2025 at 12:00, Simon wrote:
On 2025-08-05, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
Food is washed before consumption, can you wash tobacco leaves? I suppose but I
pictured someone just rolling is from the plant.
I believe some grades of light tobacco dont contain enough nicotine for
the likes of Philip Morris, so they have extra nicotine sprayed on.
I imagine that actual washing is off limits as it might wash the
nicotine out ?
Most ready made cigarettes also have a bit of saltpetre added to the mix >>> to keep the thing smoulderising
And that's where a lot of the carcinogens come from - additives.
On 2025-08-05, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
Food is washed before consumption, can you wash tobacco leaves?
I suppose but I pictured someone just rolling is from the plant.
I believe some grades of light tobacco dont contain enough nicotine for
the likes of Philip Morris, so they have extra nicotine sprayed on.
I imagine that actual washing is off limits as it might wash the
nicotine out ?
Most ready made cigarettes also have a bit of saltpetre added to the mix
to keep the thing smoulderising
Ah yes, I remember now if you rolled your own they would go out if you left it
alone, but pre-made ones would turn to ash.
On 2025-08-05, Julian Macassey wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 19:59:56 +0100, Nicholas D. Richards >><nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
Traditionally, so I am led to believe, Cuban cigars were made
by ladies rubbing the tobacco leaves between their naked
thighs!
Cuban cigars are made on tables. mostly by men.
Burmese cheroots of the other hand are made by women,
usually sittigng cross legged on the ground.
My mother who was in Burma (Now Mayanmar) during WWII
told me that young Tommies were mesmerised by young Burmese women
rolling cheroots by raising their sarongs and rolling on their
inner thigh.
They are using their hands on the wiki page, should we ask for an edit? :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheroot
On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 19:59:56 +0100, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
Traditionally, so I am led to believe, Cuban cigars were made
by ladies rubbing the tobacco leaves between their naked
thighs!
Cuban cigars are made on tables. mostly by men.
Burmese cheroots of the other hand are made by women,
usually sittigng cross legged on the ground.
My mother who was in Burma (Now Mayanmar) during WWII
told me that young Tommies were mesmerised by young Burmese women
rolling cheroots by raising their sarongs and rolling on their
inner thigh.
From what I have seen they don't really understand covid at all. I know someone
who still has issues from it and they grudgingly admit they don't know why.
So much of what could be done is stifled by selfish people in positions of power. It is such a shame we can't live in a world where the best is done for everybody.
On 03/08/2025 07:05, Simon wrote:
From what I have seen they don't really understand covid at all. I know someone
who still has issues from it and they grudgingly admit they don't know why.
A friend of mine, hitherto far fitter than I, is suffering badly from
long Covid and she is now in a wheelchair. It is a very unpleasant condition.
On 04/08/2025 07:05, Simon wrote:
So much of what could be done is stifled by selfish people in positions of >> power. It is such a shame we can't live in a world where the best is done for
everybody.
What gets me as a general unpleasant attribute of humanity is that the generation who are wielding power put money well ahead of the well-being
of their own children, as the rapid destruction of the planet demonstrates.
On 2025-08-06, Mike Fleming wrote:< troll mode >
On 03/08/2025 07:05, Simon wrote:
From what I have seen they don't really understand covid at all. I know someoneA friend of mine, hitherto far fitter than I, is suffering badly from
who still has issues from it and they grudgingly admit they don't know why. >>
long Covid and she is now in a wheelchair. It is a very unpleasant
condition.
Do they know what is causing it, other than just covid? It seems in many cases
they don't understand it.
On 06/08/2025 21:39, Simon wrote:
On 2025-08-06, Mike Fleming wrote:< troll mode >
On 03/08/2025 07:05, Simon wrote:
From what I have seen they don't really understand covid at all. I know someone
who still has issues from it and they grudgingly admit they don't know why.
A friend of mine, hitherto far fitter than I, is suffering badly from
long Covid and she is now in a wheelchair. It is a very unpleasant
condition.
Do they know what is causing it, other than just covid? It seems in many cases
they don't understand it.
..the vaccine?
< /troll mode >
Chris
On 2025-08-06, Mike Fleming wrote:
On 03/08/2025 07:05, Simon wrote:
From what I have seen they don't really understand covid at all. I know someoneA friend of mine, hitherto far fitter than I, is suffering badly from
who still has issues from it and they grudgingly admit they don't know why. >>
long Covid and she is now in a wheelchair. It is a very unpleasant
condition.
Do they know what is causing it, other than just covid? It seems in many cases
they don't understand it.
On 06/08/2025 21:39, Simon wrote:
On 2025-08-06, Mike Fleming wrote:
On 03/08/2025 07:05, Simon wrote:
From what I have seen they don't really understand covid at all. I know >someone
who still has issues from it and they grudgingly admit they don't know why.
A friend of mine, hitherto far fitter than I, is suffering badly from
long Covid and she is now in a wheelchair. It is a very unpleasant
condition.
Do they know what is causing it, other than just covid? It seems in many cases
they don't understand it.
I don't think that's been established yet, although it has been
acknowledged which is rather better than the medical profession's record >with CFS/ME.
On 06/08/2025 21:39, Simon wrote:
On 2025-08-06, Mike Fleming wrote:
On 03/08/2025 07:05, Simon wrote:
From what I have seen they don't really understand covid at all. I know someone
who still has issues from it and they grudgingly admit they don't know why.
A friend of mine, hitherto far fitter than I, is suffering badly from
long Covid and she is now in a wheelchair. It is a very unpleasant
condition.
Do they know what is causing it, other than just covid? It seems in many cases
they don't understand it.
I don't think that's been established yet, although it has been
acknowledged which is rather better than the medical profession's record with CFS/ME.