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A credit account was opened in my name and address, at the same time as
a failed one for Jean.
The company were very quick to respond by claiming they have locked and closed the accounts when I rang them.
(TBH I was surprised how they took my word for it on a phone call).
I queried on what steps they took to verify an ID when using an account
and they listed the usual utility bills, bank statements and drivers licence.
I asked that they to tell me which document(s) had been used, so I could identify where I have been lax. This they are refusing to do.
Does anyone know if they are obliged to let me know, or am I wasting my
time and energy pursuing this?
A credit account was opened in my name and address, at the same time as
a failed one for Jean.
The company were very quick to respond by claiming they have locked and closed the accounts when I rang them.
(TBH I was surprised how they took my word for it on a phone call).
I queried on what steps they took to verify an ID when using an account
and they listed the usual utility bills, bank statements and drivers licence.
I asked that they to tell me which document(s) had been used, so I could identify where I have been lax. This they are refusing to do.
Does anyone know if they are obliged to let me know, or am I wasting my
time and energy pursuing this?
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:105kuet$3sdbu$1@dont-email.me:
A credit account was opened in my name and address, at the same time as
a failed one for Jean.
The company were very quick to respond by claiming they have locked and
closed the accounts when I rang them.
(TBH I was surprised how they took my word for it on a phone call).
I queried on what steps they took to verify an ID when using an account
and they listed the usual utility bills, bank statements and drivers
licence.
I asked that they to tell me which document(s) had been used, so I could
identify where I have been lax. This they are refusing to do.
Does anyone know if they are obliged to let me know, or am I wasting my
time and energy pursuing this?
No, I don't think they have to say what they checked in detail, the various databases etc
Prior to the credit check, they will need to tell you what documents are
used and most banks have a list on the website of acceptable documents, but it will vary depending on the accoount and the amount of cash involved.
Can you get a list from the website of the institution involved?just an electoral role check????
Have you checked to see if a mail redirect has been set up on your address?Doubt it, I discovered the issue because mail arrived with the credit
This is often used to get hold of a driver's licence that many use to establish ID by asking you to upload a picture of the licence and yourself.
Presumably you became aware of the credit check via Credit Karma,
Clearscore or similar? These free services will connect to one of Equifax,
Transunion or Experian. Have you checked them all?
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/loans/check-free-credit-report/--
On 21/07/2025 09:41 YTC#1 penned these words:
A credit account was opened in my name and address, at the same time as
a failed one for Jean.
The company were very quick to respond by claiming they have locked and
closed the accounts when I rang them.
(TBH I was surprised how they took my word for it on a phone call).
I queried on what steps they took to verify an ID when using an account
and they listed the usual utility bills, bank statements and drivers
licence.
I asked that they to tell me which document(s) had been used, so I could
identify where I have been lax. This they are refusing to do.
Does anyone know if they are obliged to let me know, or am I wasting my
time and energy pursuing this?
Make a subject access request URL:https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/subject-access-requests/a-guide-to-subject-access/
and if they refuse then the next step is complain to the ICO URL:https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/getting-copies-of-your-information-subject-access-request/what-to-do-if-you-dont-get-a-response-or-youre-unhappy-with-it/
https://support.marisota.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360002412370-How-do-I- apply-for-a-personal-credit-account
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:105l0sp$3solm$1@dont-email.me:
https://support.marisota.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360002412370-How-do-I-
apply-for-a-personal-credit-account
ah, they won't make very extensive checks as it is a credit account for a shop (JD Williams) so a bit like Klarna. I bet the letter you had showed a credit limit of a few hundred quid.
they allow itens to be sent as "gifts" to another address so a scammers' charter really.
On 21/07/2025 10:30, wessie wrote:
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:105l0sp$3solm$1@dont-email.me:
https://support.marisota.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360002412370-How-do-
I- apply-for-a-personal-credit-account
ah, they won't make very extensive checks as it is a credit account
for a shop (JD Williams) so a bit like Klarna. I bet the letter you
had showed a credit limit of a few hundred quid.
-u1500
they allow itens to be sent as "gifts" to another address so a
scammers' charter really.
It will be interesting to see how this progresses.
Should I report to the police?
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:105l240$3solm$3@dont-email.me:
On 21/07/2025 10:30, wessie wrote:
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:105l0sp$3solm$1@dont-email.me:
https://support.marisota.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360002412370-How-do-
I- apply-for-a-personal-credit-account
ah, they won't make very extensive checks as it is a credit account
for a shop (JD Williams) so a bit like Klarna. I bet the letter you
had showed a credit limit of a few hundred quid.
-u1500
they allow itens to be sent as "gifts" to another address so a
scammers' charter really.
It will be interesting to see how this progresses.
Should I report to the police?
https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/reporting-fraud-and-cyber-crime
I doubt it achieves much apart from modifying data in a spreadsheet
On 21/07/2025 10:30, wessie wrote:
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:105l0sp$3solm$1@dont-email.me:
https://support.marisota.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360002412370-How-do-I-
apply-for-a-personal-credit-account
ah, they won't make very extensive checks as it is a credit account for a
shop (JD Williams) so a bit like Klarna. I bet the letter you had showed a >> credit limit of a few hundred quid.
-u1500
they allow itens to be sent as "gifts" to another address so a scammers'
charter really.
It will be interesting to see how this progresses.
Should I report to the police?
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
On 21/07/2025 10:30, wessie wrote:
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:105l0sp$3solm$1@dont-email.me:
https://support.marisota.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360002412370-How-do-I- >>>> apply-for-a-personal-credit-account
ah, they won't make very extensive checks as it is a credit account for a >>> shop (JD Williams) so a bit like Klarna. I bet the letter you had showed a >>> credit limit of a few hundred quid.
-u1500
they allow itens to be sent as "gifts" to another address so a scammers' >>> charter really.
It will be interesting to see how this progresses.
I predict there will be a few moments of "you can't make this up"
coming. I once had to explain to my bank why I wasn't prepared to
give them the personally identifying information they were asking for,
on a call that THEY PLACED TO ME.
Should I report to the police?
Don't you know they've already got their hands full rounding up people
for speaking their minds AKA terroism? Be careful, they'll get you
for wasting police time.
Now I'm probably on some sort of list and will get thrown out of the
UK on my next visit...
On 21/07/2025 10:30, wessie wrote:
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:105l0sp$3solm$1@dont-email.me:
https://support.marisota.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360002412370-How-do-I-
apply-for-a-personal-credit-account
ah, they won't make very extensive checks as it is a credit account for a
shop (JD Williams) so a bit like Klarna. I bet the letter you had
showed a
credit limit of a few hundred quid.
-u1500
they allow itens to be sent as "gifts" to another address so a scammers'
charter really.
It will be interesting to see how this progresses.
Should I report to the police?
On 21/07/2025 13:38, Mark Olson wrote:
Now I'm probably on some sort of list and will get thrown out of the
UK on my next visit...
But feel free to say that you support Palestine Action. Just don't put
the word Group next to it.
But feel free to say that you support Palestine Action. Just don't put
the word Group next to it.
YTC#1 wrote:
On 21/07/2025 13:38, Mark Olson wrote:
Now I'm probably on some sort of list and will get thrown out of the
UK on my next visit...
But feel free to say that you support Palestine Action. Just don't put
the word Group next to it.
Not so fast... https://skwawkbox.org/2025/07/20/former-head-teacher-arrested-under- terror-laws-for-holding-up-private-eye-article/
"Police reportedly also told protesters that even the separate words rCyPalestinerCO and rCyActionrCO now banned in the same sentence, even if the
sentence is not referring to PA".
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
But feel free to say that you support Palestine Action. Just don't put
the word Group next to it.
No joke, when filling out the online form for an eTA in preparation
for a trip to the UK this autumn, I had to declare that I didn't
support any politically unpopular (with the UK government, at least) organizations, or I might be denied the privilege of visiting.
Shades of cheeto jesus & co., who demand to have access to your social
media accounts before they'll let you in to our fascist paradise,
that is, if you're mad enough to pay $250 for the new tourist visa fee.
Now I'm on two lists for sure...
On 21/07/2025 17:40, Mark Olson wrote:
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
But feel free to say that you support Palestine Action. Just don't put
the word Group next to it.
No joke, when filling out the online form for an eTA in preparation
for a trip to the UK this autumn, I had to declare that I didn't
support any politically unpopular (with the UK government, at least)
organizations, or I might be denied the privilege of visiting.
Shades of cheeto jesus & co., who demand to have access to your social
media accounts before they'll let you in to our fascist paradise,
that is, if you're mad enough to pay $250 for the new tourist visa fee.
Eh? No Visa Waiver anymore?
No joke, when filling out the online form for an eTA in preparation
for a trip to the UK this autumn, I had to declare that I didn't
support any politically unpopular (with the UK government, at least) >organizations, or I might be denied the privilege of visiting.
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
On 21/07/2025 17:40, Mark Olson wrote:
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
But feel free to say that you support Palestine Action. Just don't put >>>> the word Group next to it.
No joke, when filling out the online form for an eTA in preparation
for a trip to the UK this autumn, I had to declare that I didn't
support any politically unpopular (with the UK government, at least)
organizations, or I might be denied the privilege of visiting.
Shades of cheeto jesus & co., who demand to have access to your social
media accounts before they'll let you in to our fascist paradise,
that is, if you're mad enough to pay $250 for the new tourist visa fee.
Eh? No Visa Waiver anymore?
Seems like you are exempted:
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-visit/visa-waiver-program.html
Apparently it is for countries not in the Visa Waiver list?
https://www.the-independent.com/travel/news-and-advice/us-visa-integrity-fee-tourists-visitors-trump-b2792747.html
On 21/07/2025 18:40, Mark Olson wrote:
No joke, when filling out the online form for an eTA in preparation
for a trip to the UK this autumn, I had to declare that I didn't
support any politically unpopular (with the UK government, at least)
organizations, or I might be denied the privilege of visiting.
Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
A: Sole purpose of visit.
On 21/07/2025 18:40, Mark Olson wrote:
No joke, when filling out the online form for an eTA in preparation
for a trip to the UK this autumn, I had to declare that I didn't
support any politically unpopular (with the UK government, at least) >>organizations, or I might be denied the privilege of visiting.
Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
A: Sole purpose of visit.
geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
On 21/07/2025 18:40, Mark Olson wrote:
No joke, when filling out the online form for an eTA in preparation
for a trip to the UK this autumn, I had to declare that I didn't
support any politically unpopular (with the UK government, at least) >>>organizations, or I might be denied the privilege of visiting.
Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
A: Sole purpose of visit.
Where have I seen this before?
Whether or not- genuine LOL.
On 21/07/2025 19:48, geoffC wrote:
On 21/07/2025 18:40, Mark Olson wrote:
No joke, when filling out the online form for an eTA in preparation
for a trip to the UK this autumn, I had to declare that I didn't
support any politically unpopular (with the UK government, at least)
organizations, or I might be denied the privilege of visiting.
Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
But we get to do that every 5 years (or whenever someone decides) and
then we replace it with a bunch of lookie likies
YTC#1 wrote:
On 21/07/2025 13:38, Mark Olson wrote:
Now I'm probably on some sort of list and will get thrown out of the
UK on my next visit...
But feel free to say that you support Palestine Action. Just don't put
the word Group next to it.
Not so fast... https://skwawkbox.org/2025/07/20/former-head-teacher-arrested-under-terror-laws-for-holding-up-private-eye-article/
"Police reportedly also told protesters that even the separate words rCyPalestinerCO and rCyActionrCO now banned in the same sentence, even if the
sentence is not referring to PA".
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
Eh? No Visa Waiver anymore?
Seems like you are exempted:
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-visit/visa-waiver-program.html
Apparently it is for countries not in the Visa Waiver list?
The fee, $250 (-u186) for the 2025 fiscal year, applies to all visitors travelling to the US on a non-immigrant visa (but not those who travel
with a visa waiver).
It???s due to affect millions of tourists, international students
and workers after the Trump administration???s ???One Big Beautiful
Bill??? was signed into law on 4 July 2025.
The fee will be charged on top of existing visa application costs
??? including a newly increased ???Form 1-94 fee???, now $24 (-u18).
On 21/07/2025 19:43, Mark Olson wrote:
Eh? No Visa Waiver anymore?Seems like you are exempted:
We must still be best buddies.
On 21/07/2025 17:40, Mark Olson wrote:
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
But feel free to say that you support Palestine Action. Just don't put
the word Group next to it.
No joke, when filling out the online form for an eTA in preparation
for a trip to the UK this autumn, I had to declare that I didn't
support any politically unpopular (with the UK government, at least)
organizations, or I might be denied the privilege of visiting.
Shades of cheeto jesus & co., who demand to have access to your social
media accounts before they'll let you in to our fascist paradise,
that is, if you're mad enough to pay $250 for the new tourist visa fee.
Eh? No Visa Waiver anymore?
Now I'm on two lists for sure...
Ah, I remember the good old days of wondering if you could say "bomb" on
the phone and not be put on a list
On 21/07/2025 19:28, YTC#1 wrote:
On 21/07/2025 17:40, Mark Olson wrote:
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
But feel free to say that you support Palestine Action. Just don't put >>>> the word Group next to it.
No joke, when filling out the online form for an eTA in preparation
for a trip to the UK this autumn, I had to declare that I didn't
support any politically unpopular (with the UK government, at least)
organizations, or I might be denied the privilege of visiting.
Shades of cheeto jesus & co., who demand to have access to your social
media accounts before they'll let you in to our fascist paradise,
that is, if you're mad enough to pay $250 for the new tourist visa fee.
Eh? No Visa Waiver anymore?
Now I'm on two lists for sure...
Ah, I remember the good old days of wondering if you could say "bomb"
on the phone and not be put on a list
A friend's son has tourettes - made worse, inevitably, by stress.
He also works in NY journalism and travels the Atlantic quite often.
Before he became acclimatised to it, and also learned that travelling 'business class' meant he was less likely to be scrutinised, he once
blurted out "I haven't got a bomb!" and was subject to full and rigorous 'searches'.
A friend's son has tourettes - made worse, inevitably, by stress.
He also works in NY journalism and travels the Atlantic quite often.
Before he became acclimatised to it, and also learned that travelling 'business class' meant he was less likely to be scrutinised, he once
blurted out "I haven't got a bomb!" and was subject to full and rigorous 'searches'.
On 22/07/2025 12:31, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
On 21/07/2025 19:28, YTC#1 wrote:
On 21/07/2025 17:40, Mark Olson wrote:
YTC#1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
But feel free to say that you support Palestine Action. Just don't put >>>>> the word Group next to it.
No joke, when filling out the online form for an eTA in preparation
for a trip to the UK this autumn, I had to declare that I didn't
support any politically unpopular (with the UK government, at least)
organizations, or I might be denied the privilege of visiting.
Shades of cheeto jesus & co., who demand to have access to your social >>>> media accounts before they'll let you in to our fascist paradise,
that is, if you're mad enough to pay $250 for the new tourist visa fee. >>>>
Eh? No Visa Waiver anymore?
Now I'm on two lists for sure...
Ah, I remember the good old days of wondering if you could say "bomb"
on the phone and not be put on a list
A friend's son has tourettes - made worse, inevitably, by stress.
He also works in NY journalism and travels the Atlantic quite often.
Before he became acclimatised to it, and also learned that travelling
'business class' meant he was less likely to be scrutinised, he once
blurted out "I haven't got a bomb!" and was subject to full and
rigorous 'searches'.
Is he related to TOG? (MSOHP)
chrisnd @ukrm <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
A friend's son has tourettes - made worse, inevitably, by stress.
He also works in NY journalism and travels the Atlantic quite often.
Before he became acclimatised to it, and also learned that travelling
'business class' meant he was less likely to be scrutinised, he once
blurted out "I haven't got a bomb!" and was subject to full and rigorous
'searches'.
Shades of "The League of Gentlemen" there.
The link text indicated that the link would lead to
support.marisota.co.uk, but it leads to eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com.
Should I report to the police?
On 21/07/2025 09:41, YTC#1 wrote:
The link text indicated that the link would lead to
support.marisota.co.uk, but it leads to
eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com.
This is an Outlook thing whereby URLs in emails are replaced with links
to Microsoft and they do a check to see whether the final destination is
a dodgy URL or not before re-directing you.
On 21/07/2025 18:40, Mark Olson wrote:
No joke, when filling out the online form for an eTA in preparation
for a trip to the UK this autumn, I had to declare that I didn't
support any politically unpopular (with the UK government, at least) >>organizations, or I might be denied the privilege of visiting.
Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
A: Sole purpose of visit.
Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
A: Sole purpose of visit.
Where have I seen this before?
Whether or not- genuine LOL.
The version I heard was Michael Foot visiting the USA but I am sure it has
been used more than once. Probably a Mark Twain original, or Groucho Marx
Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
But we get to do that every 5 years (or whenever someone decides) and
then we replace it with a bunch of lookie likies
If voting made any difference they would have banned it already.
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 18:48:35 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
On 21/07/2025 18:40, Mark Olson wrote:
No joke, when filling out the online form for an eTA in preparation
for a trip to the UK this autumn, I had to declare that I didn't
support any politically unpopular (with the UK government, at least)
organizations, or I might be denied the privilege of visiting.
Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
A: Sole purpose of visit.
Thank you, Gilbert Harding
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 21:17:56 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
But we get to do that every 5 years (or whenever someone decides) and
then we replace it with a bunch of lookie likies
If voting made any difference they would have banned it already.
I get frustrated with this sort of attitude. Democracy is obviously a
long way from perfect, but if you can't see the differences between governments of different colours then I genuinely dispair
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 21:17:56 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
But we get to do that every 5 years (or whenever someone decides) and >>>then we replace it with a bunch of lookie likies
If voting made any difference they would have banned it already.
I get frustrated with this sort of attitude. Democracy is obviously a
long way from perfect, but if you can't see the differences between >governments of different colours then I genuinely dispair
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 21:15:49 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
A: Sole purpose of visit.
Where have I seen this before?
Whether or not- genuine LOL.
The version I heard was Michael Foot visiting the USA but I am sure it has >> been used more than once. Probably a Mark Twain original, or Groucho Marx
I looked it up: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letter-briefly-1485576.html
On 28/07/2025 13:29, Champ wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 21:15:49 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
I looked it up:Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
A: Sole purpose of visit.
Where have I seen this before?
Whether or not- genuine LOL.
The version I heard was Michael Foot visiting the USA but I am sure it has >>> been used more than once. Probably a Mark Twain original, or Groucho Marx >>
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letter-briefly-1485576.html
The Telegraph begs to differ:
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3586253/Overthrowing-the-government.html>
Newspapers eh, who'd trust 'em?
If voting made any difference they would have banned it already.
I get frustrated with this sort of attitude. Democracy is obviously a
long way from perfect, but if you can't see the differences between >>governments of different colours then I genuinely dispair
Well, it was more of a light hearted paraphrasing of late 70's graffiti than
a deep reflection of my views on Western Democracy
I do however have significant doubts about its ability to
withstand the effects of populist politicians. eg. the rise of the likes of Farage,Orban, Wilders, Trump etc. If you can convince people that one kind
of washing powder is better than another then convincing them via social media that all our problems can be attributed to one group, is not that difficult apparently.(It's been done before of course).
Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
A: Sole purpose of visit.
I looked it up:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letter-briefly-1485576.html
The Telegraph begs to differ: ><https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3586253/Overthrowing-the-government.html>
Newspapers eh, who'd trust 'em?
Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
On 28/07/2025 13:29, Champ wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 21:15:49 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
I looked it up:Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
A: Sole purpose of visit.
Where have I seen this before?
Whether or not- genuine LOL.
The version I heard was Michael Foot visiting the USA but I am sure it has >>>> been used more than once. Probably a Mark Twain original, or Groucho Marx >>>
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letter-briefly-1485576.html
The Telegraph begs to differ:
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3586253/Overthrowing-the-government.html>
Newspapers eh, who'd trust 'em?
Paywalled link. I was able to inspect the HTML source of the page
which contained the quote but I'm not sure I was getting the whole
story that way.
On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 20:29:29 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
If voting made any difference they would have banned it already.
I get frustrated with this sort of attitude. Democracy is obviously a
long way from perfect, but if you can't see the differences between
governments of different colours then I genuinely dispair
Well, it was more of a light hearted paraphrasing of late 70's graffiti than >> a deep reflection of my views on Western Democracy
Yeah, sorry - taking things a bit too seriously
I do however have significant doubts about its ability to
withstand the effects of populist politicians. eg. the rise of the likes of >> Farage,Orban, Wilders, Trump etc. If you can convince people that one kind >> of washing powder is better than another then convincing them via social
media that all our problems can be attributed to one group, is not that
difficult apparently.(It's been done before of course).
It's a never ending battle.
<snip>
Every era requires people with the strength and moral character
required to stand up to the siren calls of the populists and face them
down. And that character is usually only apparent in retrospect (e.g.
Heath, as above).
Every era requires people with the strength and moral character
required to stand up to the siren calls of the populists and face them
down. And that character is usually only apparent in retrospect (e.g.
Heath, as above).
On 28/07/2025 23:43, Mark Olson wrote:
Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3586253/Overthrowing-the-government.html>Paywalled link. I was able to inspect the HTML source of the page
Newspapers eh, who'd trust 'em?
which contained the quote but I'm not sure I was getting the whole
story that way.
Indeed, and my paywall extension didn't work on it :-(
On 29/07/2025 13:01, Champ wrote:
Every era requires people with the strength and moral character
required to stand up to the siren calls of the populists and face them
down. And that character is usually only apparent in retrospect (e.g.
Heath, as above).
Not found ours yet, have we :-(
Every era requires people with the strength and moral character
required to stand up to the siren calls of the populists and face them
down.-a And that character is usually only apparent in retrospect (e.g.
Heath, as above).
Not found ours yet, have we :-(
YTC#1 wrote:
On 28/07/2025 23:43, Mark Olson wrote:
Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3586253/Overthrowing-Paywalled link. I was able to inspect the HTML source of the page
the-government.html>
Newspapers eh, who'd trust 'em?
which contained the quote but I'm not sure I was getting the whole
story that way.
Indeed, and my paywall extension didn't work on it :-(
https://archive.is/Si23q
Although what was visible behind the paywall overlay was the whole story.
On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 21:44:21 +0100, Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com>
wrote:
Q:Do you favour the overthrow of the UK Government ?
A: Sole purpose of visit.
I looked it up:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letter-briefly-1485576.html
The Telegraph begs to differ:
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3586253/Overthrowing-the-government.html>
Newspapers eh, who'd trust 'em?
er, both links say it was Gilbert Harding
On 29/07/2025 18:48, YTC#1 wrote:
Every era requires people with the strength and moral character
required to stand up to the siren calls of the populists and face them
down.-a And that character is usually only apparent in retrospect (e.g.
Heath, as above).
Not found ours yet, have we :-(
Looks like someone tried to take Tommy Robinson to task. Shame "debate" isn't in Robinson's repertoire.
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c209p0v5plwo>
On 30/07/2025 15:04, Bruce wrote:
On 29/07/2025 18:48, YTC#1 wrote:
Looks like someone tried to take Tommy Robinson to task. Shame "debate"
isn't in Robinson's repertoire.
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c209p0v5plwo>
Yeah, and it shows how good we are at protecting our borders, the fucker
got out .... again