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On 30/07/2025 20:11, N_Cook wrote:

On 30/07/2025 19:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Check and see if burnet/salad burnet fits the bill.

A blood red bloom cultivar might be right , but the "salad" leaves
wrong, and the seeds are rougher than these "apple pip" type seeds ,
black and half the size of apple ones

Looks like a few sports in the mix. Main crop is blood red flowering
June but 3 plants flowering there late July in the seed-headed of June
clumps. One head is 2 shades of pink, one is white and pale purple, and
one blood red and red.
3 people agree on Dianthus/Sweet William. The pink variety could be
considered uk wild flower it seems, the blood red one presumably a cultivar. The 2.1m tall plants with blue flowers on the end of each "branch" is
probably Echium Plantagineum which grows wild in the uk apparently
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On 02/08/2025 09:34, N_Cook wrote:

On 30/07/2025 20:11, N_Cook wrote:

On 30/07/2025 19:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Check and see if burnet/salad burnet fits the bill.

A blood red bloom cultivar might be right , but the "salad" leaves
wrong, and the seeds are rougher than these "apple pip" type seeds ,
black and half the size of apple ones

Looks like a few sports in the mix. Main crop is blood red flowering
June but 3 plants flowering there late July in the seed-headed of June clumps. One head is 2 shades of pink, one is white and pale purple, and
one blood red and red.
3 people agree on Dianthus/Sweet William. The pink variety could be considered uk wild flower it seems, the blood red one presumably a cultivar.

Almost certainly, but it does make you wonder about the source of the seed!

The 2.1m tall plants with blue flowers on the end of each "branch" is probably Echium Plantagineum which grows wild in the uk apparently

/Echium plantgineum/ would not get to even 1 metre in the UK (nor would
/E. vulgare/).
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On 02/08/2025 13:07, Jeff Layman wrote:

The 2.1m tall plants with blue flowers on the end of each "branch" is
probably Echium Plantagineum which grows wild in the uk apparently

/Echium plantgineum/ would not get to even 1 metre in the UK (nor would
/E. vulgare/).

I did not closely look at the flowers but the "whole plant" pic on http://www.seasonalwildflowers.com/purple-viper-s-bugloss.html
and cymes looks just like the multiple examples of 2-2.1m tall plants in question. I now see he mentions 75 cm height, perhaps another non wild cultivar.
Certainly not Echium Pininana.
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On 02/08/2025 13:07, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 02/08/2025 09:34, N_Cook wrote:

On 30/07/2025 20:11, N_Cook wrote:

On 30/07/2025 19:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Check and see if burnet/salad burnet fits the bill.

A blood red bloom cultivar might be right , but the "salad" leaves
wrong, and the seeds are rougher than these "apple pip" type seeds ,
black and half the size of apple ones

Looks like a few sports in the mix. Main crop is blood red flowering
June but 3 plants flowering there late July in the seed-headed of June
clumps. One head is 2 shades of pink, one is white and pale purple, and
one blood red and red.
3 people agree on Dianthus/Sweet William. The pink variety could be
considered uk wild flower it seems, the blood red one presumably a
cultivar.

Almost certainly, but it does make you wonder about the source of the seed!

Could be a local sport that has just gained a niche.

The 2.1m tall plants with blue flowers on the end of each "branch" is
probably Echium Plantagineum which grows wild in the uk apparently

/Echium plantgineum/ would not get to even 1 metre in the UK (nor would
/E. vulgare/).

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On 02/08/2025 15:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Almost certainly, but it does make you wonder about the source of the
seed!

Could be a local sport that has just gained a niche.

Those 3 Dianthus bi-colour variations had to come with the original seed
mix as each one emanates from a clump of the main blood red variety and nowhere else in the half acre.
Not the only variety that seems to be in mutually exclusive clumps.
Whether cow parsley, borage, thistles, teasels, poppies etc there seems
to be a colony of 10 or so such plants in there own exclusive patches. .
I wonder if the original seeding consists of seed bombs of one variety
in each bomb , rather than individual seeds randomly mixed.
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On 02/08/2025 17:33, N_Cook wrote:

I wonder if the original seeding consists of seed bombs of one variety
in each bomb , rather than individual seeds randomly mixed.

I see the method for wilding/rewilding urban wild flower meadows is the
use plug planting for greater success, hence the clumping effect.
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On 02/08/2025 21:26, N_Cook wrote:

On 02/08/2025 17:33, N_Cook wrote:

I wonder if the original seeding consists of seed bombs of one variety
in each bomb , rather than individual seeds randomly mixed.

I see the method for wilding/rewilding urban wild flower meadows is the
use plug planting for greater success, hence the clumping effect.

Going by the haema bit, probably Dianthus Haematacalyx
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On 08/08/2025 08:58, N_Cook wrote:

On 02/08/2025 21:26, N_Cook wrote:

On 02/08/2025 17:33, N_Cook wrote:

I wonder if the original seeding consists of seed bombs of one variety
in each bomb , rather than individual seeds randomly mixed.

I see the method for wilding/rewilding urban wild flower meadows is the
use plug planting for greater success, hence the clumping effect.

Going by the haema bit, probably Dianthus Haematacalyx

I doubt it; even spp ventricosus is only deepish pink - not red. See
photo at <https://www.floralpin.de/engl/alpine-plants-d---i/dianthus-carophyllaceae/dianthus-haematocalyx-ssp-ventricosus.php>.

You'll have to wait until you see the plant in flower!
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On 08/08/2025 10:50, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 08/08/2025 08:58, N_Cook wrote:

On 02/08/2025 21:26, N_Cook wrote:

On 02/08/2025 17:33, N_Cook wrote:

I wonder if the original seeding consists of seed bombs of one variety >>>> in each bomb , rather than individual seeds randomly mixed.

I see the method for wilding/rewilding urban wild flower meadows is the
use plug planting for greater success, hence the clumping effect.

Going by the haema bit, probably Dianthus Haematacalyx

I doubt it; even spp ventricosus is only deepish pink - not red. See
photo at <https://www.floralpin.de/engl/alpine-plants-d---i/dianthus-carophyllaceae/dianthus-haematocalyx-ssp-ventricosus.php>.

You'll have to wait until you see the plant in flower!

Fast germinators and first true spear shaped leaves emerged last week .
But perhaps they used a cross and these next generation seeds might go
on to be anything other than blood red. Beggars cant be choosers.
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