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As the comments show, cyclists donrCOt like following the rules:
https://road.cc/content/news/two-cyclists-ordered-pay-ps500-cycling-town-centre-308263
Some of the comments are pure gems.
KBrian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
As the comments show, cyclists donrCOt like following the rules:
https://road.cc/content/news/two-cyclists-ordered-pay-ps500-cycling-town-centre-308263
Some of the comments are pure gems.
Not only the comments, but the article itself. From the first two
paragraphs, Road.cc falls over itself yet again in its faux indignation against GrimsbyrCOs Public Space Protection Order:
rCLrCa.which has previously seen the council accused of targeting the rCLold and
slowrCYrCarCY
rCLrCatwo cyclists, 31-year-old Joshua Purton and 46-year-old Lee Tear, handed
Fixed Penalty NoticesrCarCY.
The rCyold and slowrCO jibe is repeated twice more in the article.
And how many times have we seen on here the ecstatic reporting of drivers
who have appealed an FPN getting fined even more? Cyclists know whatrCOs good for everyone else but not for them:
rCLPurton, however, failed to pay the FPN, leading to his prosecution, while Tear appealed the decision. The 46-year-oldrCOs appeal was not upheld and he was reminded to pay the fine, which remained unpaid. Neither man attended court, with both ordered to pay -u534.04 in total, consisting of a -u220 fine, -u88 victim services surcharge, and -u226.04 in costs.rCY
The comments are interesting, as some support the measure, but can you imagine the cycling worldrCOs fulmination had a driver put this forward?
rCLrCaIt's also often safer to go through a junction than wait at the red and then have to tangle with other traffic when the lights go green and
possibly be left-hooked etc.rCY
EfUaEfU|Efa?rCirUuN+AEfOa
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
KBrian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
As the comments show, cyclists donrCOt like following the rules:
https://road.cc/content/news/two-cyclists-ordered-pay-ps500-cycling-town-centre-308263
Some of the comments are pure gems.
Not only the comments, but the article itself. From the first two
paragraphs, Road.cc falls over itself yet again in its faux indignation
against GrimsbyrCOs Public Space Protection Order:
rCLrCa.which has previously seen the council accused of targeting the rCLold and
slowrCYrCarCY
rCLrCatwo cyclists, 31-year-old Joshua Purton and 46-year-old Lee Tear, handed
Fixed Penalty NoticesrCarCY.
The rCyold and slowrCO jibe is repeated twice more in the article.
And how many times have we seen on here the ecstatic reporting of drivers
who have appealed an FPN getting fined even more? Cyclists know whatrCOs good
for everyone else but not for them:
rCLPurton, however, failed to pay the FPN, leading to his prosecution, while >> Tear appealed the decision. The 46-year-oldrCOs appeal was not upheld and he >> was reminded to pay the fine, which remained unpaid. Neither man attended
court, with both ordered to pay -u534.04 in total, consisting of a -u220
fine, -u88 victim services surcharge, and -u226.04 in costs.rCY
The comments are interesting, as some support the measure, but can you
imagine the cycling worldrCOs fulmination had a driver put this forward?
rCLrCaIt's also often safer to go through a junction than wait at the red and
then have to tangle with other traffic when the lights go green and
possibly be left-hooked etc.rCY
EfUaEfU|Efa?rCirUuN+AEfOa
Indeed.
WerCOve just returned from a couple of weeks in the Netherlands - Delft to be exact, we arrived home on Wednesday.
Delft is one of our rCyregularrCO visiting places earlier in the year - we try
and get at least two trips to Europe per year, although werCOve missed a few due to COVID, family commitments etc. We tend not to take the car, just the motorhome, and use buses / trams / trains and, of course walk more. This offers more chance to observe how the Dutch bus drivers react to cyclists.
It is clear there is either no 1.5 m rule or, if there is, it is ignored. Cycle helmets are a rarity. I doubt 1 in 100 wear them. Parents with two, children in seats on a bike - all without helmets- is common. Special bikes with a huge rCybasketrCO / box for 4 or 6 child on the front are far from unusual. They must be terrible to steer, let alone stop. Many bikes only have a single, back pedal brake.
What we would deem cycle lanes are also used by motor scooters - it isnrCOt clear if there is a limit on this ( engine size etc).
In shopping area, cyclists and motor scooters weave between pedestrians.
This seems to be legal as stands are provided for the bikes.
Seeing bikes overloaded with shopping even furniture isnrCOt unknown. This trip, I saw a young lady carrying a large ( at a guess) 36rCY TV across her handle bars as she rode down the street.
Riding on the wrong side of the rode is the norm, including in tram lanes. While the trams are powered by overhead lines ( as far as I can tell), they run on rails sunk in the surface so just riding there is unwise.
The buses are electric and all but silent. Even so, many cyclists wear headphones.
If you need a kidney, liver, or other organ, it is probably a good place to be. The people do seem fit and healthy, so they are probably in good condition.
Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
KBrian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
As the comments show, cyclists donrCOt like following the rules:
https://road.cc/content/news/two-cyclists-ordered-pay-ps500-cycling-town-centre-308263
Some of the comments are pure gems.
Not only the comments, but the article itself. From the first two
paragraphs, Road.cc falls over itself yet again in its faux indignation >>> against GrimsbyrCOs Public Space Protection Order:
rCLrCa.which has previously seen the council accused of targeting the rCLold and
slowrCYrCarCY
rCLrCatwo cyclists, 31-year-old Joshua Purton and 46-year-old Lee Tear, handed
Fixed Penalty NoticesrCarCY.
The rCyold and slowrCO jibe is repeated twice more in the article.
And how many times have we seen on here the ecstatic reporting of drivers >>> who have appealed an FPN getting fined even more? Cyclists know whatrCOs good
for everyone else but not for them:
rCLPurton, however, failed to pay the FPN, leading to his prosecution, while
Tear appealed the decision. The 46-year-oldrCOs appeal was not upheld and he
was reminded to pay the fine, which remained unpaid. Neither man attended >>> court, with both ordered to pay -u534.04 in total, consisting of a -u220 >>> fine, -u88 victim services surcharge, and -u226.04 in costs.rCY
The comments are interesting, as some support the measure, but can you
imagine the cycling worldrCOs fulmination had a driver put this forward? >>>
rCLrCaIt's also often safer to go through a junction than wait at the red and
then have to tangle with other traffic when the lights go green and
possibly be left-hooked etc.rCY
EfUaEfU|Efa?rCirUuN+AEfOa
Indeed.
WerCOve just returned from a couple of weeks in the Netherlands - Delft to be
exact, we arrived home on Wednesday.
Delft is one of our rCyregularrCO visiting places earlier in the year - we try
and get at least two trips to Europe per year, although werCOve missed a few >> due to COVID, family commitments etc. We tend not to take the car, just the >> motorhome, and use buses / trams / trains and, of course walk more. This
offers more chance to observe how the Dutch bus drivers react to cyclists. >>
It is clear there is either no 1.5 m rule or, if there is, it is ignored. >> Cycle helmets are a rarity. I doubt 1 in 100 wear them. Parents with two, >> children in seats on a bike - all without helmets- is common. Special bikes >> with a huge rCybasketrCO / box for 4 or 6 child on the front are far from
unusual. They must be terrible to steer, let alone stop. Many bikes only
have a single, back pedal brake.
What we would deem cycle lanes are also used by motor scooters - it isnrCOt >> clear if there is a limit on this ( engine size etc).
In shopping area, cyclists and motor scooters weave between pedestrians.
This seems to be legal as stands are provided for the bikes.
Seeing bikes overloaded with shopping even furniture isnrCOt unknown. This >> trip, I saw a young lady carrying a large ( at a guess) 36rCY TV across her >> handle bars as she rode down the street.
Riding on the wrong side of the rode is the norm, including in tram lanes. >> While the trams are powered by overhead lines ( as far as I can tell), they >> run on rails sunk in the surface so just riding there is unwise.
The buses are electric and all but silent. Even so, many cyclists wear
headphones.
If you need a kidney, liver, or other organ, it is probably a good place to >> be. The people do seem fit and healthy, so they are probably in good
condition.
ItrCOs interesting to note that the UK cycling media constantly refer to the rCyDutch modelrCO for cycling safety. Yet on a per-km basis there is no difference between the death rates of cyclists of the UK and Holland. And
on a per-capita basis, the death rate in Holland is appalling: for the last 20 years it has remained steady at 200 per annum in a population of 17m, giving a rate of 8x that of the UK.
IrCOd like to visit Arnhem, as one of my former neighbours was in the 2nd Parachute Battalion at the bridge, and it would be interesting to make the journey on Lion route from the DZ to where he was finally captured,
spending his 22nd birthday in prison camp.
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
KBrian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
As the comments show, cyclists donrCOt like following the rules:
https://road.cc/content/news/two-cyclists-ordered-pay-ps500-cycling-town-centre-308263
Some of the comments are pure gems.
Not only the comments, but the article itself. From the first two
paragraphs, Road.cc falls over itself yet again in its faux indignation >>>> against GrimsbyrCOs Public Space Protection Order:
rCLrCa.which has previously seen the council accused of targeting the rCLold and
slowrCYrCarCY
rCLrCatwo cyclists, 31-year-old Joshua Purton and 46-year-old Lee Tear, handed
Fixed Penalty NoticesrCarCY.
The rCyold and slowrCO jibe is repeated twice more in the article.
And how many times have we seen on here the ecstatic reporting of drivers >>>> who have appealed an FPN getting fined even more? Cyclists know whatrCOs good
for everyone else but not for them:
rCLPurton, however, failed to pay the FPN, leading to his prosecution, while
Tear appealed the decision. The 46-year-oldrCOs appeal was not upheld and he
was reminded to pay the fine, which remained unpaid. Neither man attended >>>> court, with both ordered to pay -u534.04 in total, consisting of a -u220 >>>> fine, -u88 victim services surcharge, and -u226.04 in costs.rCY
The comments are interesting, as some support the measure, but can you >>>> imagine the cycling worldrCOs fulmination had a driver put this forward? >>>>
rCLrCaIt's also often safer to go through a junction than wait at the red and
then have to tangle with other traffic when the lights go green and
possibly be left-hooked etc.rCY
EfUaEfU|Efa?rCirUuN+AEfOa
Indeed.
WerCOve just returned from a couple of weeks in the Netherlands - Delft to be
exact, we arrived home on Wednesday.
Delft is one of our rCyregularrCO visiting places earlier in the year - we try
and get at least two trips to Europe per year, although werCOve missed a few
due to COVID, family commitments etc. We tend not to take the car, just the >>> motorhome, and use buses / trams / trains and, of course walk more. This >>> offers more chance to observe how the Dutch bus drivers react to cyclists. >>>
It is clear there is either no 1.5 m rule or, if there is, it is ignored. >>> Cycle helmets are a rarity. I doubt 1 in 100 wear them. Parents with two, >>> children in seats on a bike - all without helmets- is common. Special bikes >>> with a huge rCybasketrCO / box for 4 or 6 child on the front are far from >>> unusual. They must be terrible to steer, let alone stop. Many bikes only >>> have a single, back pedal brake.
What we would deem cycle lanes are also used by motor scooters - it isnrCOt >>> clear if there is a limit on this ( engine size etc).
In shopping area, cyclists and motor scooters weave between pedestrians. >>> This seems to be legal as stands are provided for the bikes.
Seeing bikes overloaded with shopping even furniture isnrCOt unknown. This >>> trip, I saw a young lady carrying a large ( at a guess) 36rCY TV across her >>> handle bars as she rode down the street.
Riding on the wrong side of the rode is the norm, including in tram lanes. >>> While the trams are powered by overhead lines ( as far as I can tell), they >>> run on rails sunk in the surface so just riding there is unwise.
The buses are electric and all but silent. Even so, many cyclists wear
headphones.
If you need a kidney, liver, or other organ, it is probably a good place to >>> be. The people do seem fit and healthy, so they are probably in good
condition.
ItrCOs interesting to note that the UK cycling media constantly refer to the >> rCyDutch modelrCO for cycling safety. Yet on a per-km basis there is no
difference between the death rates of cyclists of the UK and Holland. And
on a per-capita basis, the death rate in Holland is appalling: for the last >> 20 years it has remained steady at 200 per annum in a population of 17m,
giving a rate of 8x that of the UK.
IrCOd like to visit Arnhem, as one of my former neighbours was in the 2nd
Parachute Battalion at the bridge, and it would be interesting to make the >> journey on Lion route from the DZ to where he was finally captured,
spending his 22nd birthday in prison camp.
We visited Arnhem in 2017 or so. I have a relative who lives near there. IrCOd not seen him for 50 years or so. He met a Dutch lady and has retired there.
We spent some time in Luxembourg last Summer. You would probably find it interesting - they have some good WW2 museums. Spotlessly clean country. Free public transport, including trains- even parking at stations.
Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
KBrian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
As the comments show, cyclists donrCOt like following the rules:
https://road.cc/content/news/two-cyclists-ordered-pay-ps500-cycling-town-centre-308263
Some of the comments are pure gems.
Not only the comments, but the article itself. From the first two
paragraphs, Road.cc falls over itself yet again in its faux indignation >>>>> against GrimsbyrCOs Public Space Protection Order:
rCLrCa.which has previously seen the council accused of targeting the rCLold and
slowrCYrCarCY
rCLrCatwo cyclists, 31-year-old Joshua Purton and 46-year-old Lee Tear, handed
Fixed Penalty NoticesrCarCY.
The rCyold and slowrCO jibe is repeated twice more in the article.
And how many times have we seen on here the ecstatic reporting of drivers >>>>> who have appealed an FPN getting fined even more? Cyclists know whatrCOs good
for everyone else but not for them:
rCLPurton, however, failed to pay the FPN, leading to his prosecution, while
Tear appealed the decision. The 46-year-oldrCOs appeal was not upheld and he
was reminded to pay the fine, which remained unpaid. Neither man attended >>>>> court, with both ordered to pay -u534.04 in total, consisting of a -u220 >>>>> fine, -u88 victim services surcharge, and -u226.04 in costs.rCY
The comments are interesting, as some support the measure, but can you >>>>> imagine the cycling worldrCOs fulmination had a driver put this forward? >>>>>
rCLrCaIt's also often safer to go through a junction than wait at the red and
then have to tangle with other traffic when the lights go green and
possibly be left-hooked etc.rCY
EfUaEfU|Efa?rCirUuN+AEfOa
Indeed.
WerCOve just returned from a couple of weeks in the Netherlands - Delft to be
exact, we arrived home on Wednesday.
Delft is one of our rCyregularrCO visiting places earlier in the year - we try
and get at least two trips to Europe per year, although werCOve missed a few
due to COVID, family commitments etc. We tend not to take the car, just the
motorhome, and use buses / trams / trains and, of course walk more. This >>>> offers more chance to observe how the Dutch bus drivers react to cyclists. >>>>
It is clear there is either no 1.5 m rule or, if there is, it is ignored. >>>> Cycle helmets are a rarity. I doubt 1 in 100 wear them. Parents with two,
children in seats on a bike - all without helmets- is common. Special bikes
with a huge rCybasketrCO / box for 4 or 6 child on the front are far from >>>> unusual. They must be terrible to steer, let alone stop. Many bikes only >>>> have a single, back pedal brake.
What we would deem cycle lanes are also used by motor scooters - it isnrCOt
clear if there is a limit on this ( engine size etc).
In shopping area, cyclists and motor scooters weave between pedestrians. >>>> This seems to be legal as stands are provided for the bikes.
Seeing bikes overloaded with shopping even furniture isnrCOt unknown. This >>>> trip, I saw a young lady carrying a large ( at a guess) 36rCY TV across her
handle bars as she rode down the street.
Riding on the wrong side of the rode is the norm, including in tram lanes. >>>> While the trams are powered by overhead lines ( as far as I can tell), they
run on rails sunk in the surface so just riding there is unwise.
The buses are electric and all but silent. Even so, many cyclists wear >>>> headphones.
If you need a kidney, liver, or other organ, it is probably a good place to
be. The people do seem fit and healthy, so they are probably in good
condition.
ItrCOs interesting to note that the UK cycling media constantly refer to the
rCyDutch modelrCO for cycling safety. Yet on a per-km basis there is no
difference between the death rates of cyclists of the UK and Holland. And >>> on a per-capita basis, the death rate in Holland is appalling: for the last >>> 20 years it has remained steady at 200 per annum in a population of 17m, >>> giving a rate of 8x that of the UK.
IrCOd like to visit Arnhem, as one of my former neighbours was in the 2nd >>> Parachute Battalion at the bridge, and it would be interesting to make the >>> journey on Lion route from the DZ to where he was finally captured,
spending his 22nd birthday in prison camp.
We visited Arnhem in 2017 or so. I have a relative who lives near there.
IrCOd not seen him for 50 years or so. He met a Dutch lady and has retired >> there.
We spent some time in Luxembourg last Summer. You would probably find it
interesting - they have some good WW2 museums. Spotlessly clean country.
Free public transport, including trains- even parking at stations.
So Luxembourg doesnrCOt use the rCyUK cyclistrCO model of public transport and
facilitiesrCawhy am I not surprisedEfye?