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  • Re: BBC

    From Anna Noyd-Dryver@anna@noyd-dryver.com to uk.railway on Tue Oct 7 19:33:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    The first Articulated buses I saw were these at Heathrow.

    <https://flic.kr/p/bscqxA>

    IrCOve found a more spectacular example of that layout:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/62767888@N00/7868440844



    You can still ride on an articulated (in that ^ style, as per an
    articulated lorry) bus in Europe - and it's the cutest bus ever!

    The Weggis LidoBus was built in 1959 and has run the same route ever since <https://www.weggis-vitznau.ch/en/package/lidobus>

    Elsewhere in Switzerland (and I think at a handful of locations in Germany)
    you can ride non-articulated buses which are bendy - a normal bus with a drawbar trailer. In Switzerland the trailers now operate behind
    diesel-engined postbuses between Lauterbrunnen and Stechelberg, and also school-time only trips on one route in the Appenzell region; the trailers formerly operated behind trolleybuses in Lausanne and Luzern, where they
    were replaced by more conventional articulated buses, including the three-section vehicles already mentioned in this thread.

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  • From Marland@gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk to uk.railway on Tue Oct 7 20:58:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:


    You can still ride on an articulated (in that ^ style, as per an
    articulated lorry) bus in Europe - and it's the cutest bus ever!

    The Weggis LidoBus was built in 1959 and has run the same route ever since <https://www.weggis-vitznau.ch/en/package/lidobus>


    IrCOm surprised non of the land train manufactures make something like that
    as the operation doesnrCOt appear to be greatly different from the uses
    some of them are put to.
    We mainly see them as pretend choo choos but they do things that look a bit like a modern tram.

    <https://www.uk-loco.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/TM970_Locomotive.jpg>

    GH
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  • From Graeme Wall@rail@greywall.demon.co.uk to uk.railway on Tue Oct 7 22:09:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 07/10/2025 20:33, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    The first Articulated buses I saw were these at Heathrow.

    <https://flic.kr/p/bscqxA>

    IrCOve found a more spectacular example of that layout:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/62767888@N00/7868440844



    You can still ride on an articulated (in that ^ style, as per an
    articulated lorry) bus in Europe - and it's the cutest bus ever!

    The Weggis LidoBus was built in 1959 and has run the same route ever since <https://www.weggis-vitznau.ch/en/package/lidobus>

    Elsewhere in Switzerland (and I think at a handful of locations in Germany) you can ride non-articulated buses which are bendy - a normal bus with a drawbar trailer.


    Many moons ago I had a ride on one from Lausanne to Vevey, the leading
    vehicle was a trollybus.
    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.


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  • From Marland@gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk to uk.railway on Tue Oct 7 22:44:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    On 07/10/2025 20:33, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    The first Articulated buses I saw were these at Heathrow.

    <https://flic.kr/p/bscqxA>

    IrCOve found a more spectacular example of that layout:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/62767888@N00/7868440844



    You can still ride on an articulated (in that ^ style, as per an
    articulated lorry) bus in Europe - and it's the cutest bus ever!

    The Weggis LidoBus was built in 1959 and has run the same route ever since >> <https://www.weggis-vitznau.ch/en/package/lidobus>

    Elsewhere in Switzerland (and I think at a handful of locations in Germany) >> you can ride non-articulated buses which are bendy - a normal bus with a
    drawbar trailer.


    Many moons ago I had a ride on one from Lausanne to Vevey, the leading vehicle was a trollybus.

    About 55+ years for me , School trip to Switzerland . One of the masters
    was a transport enthusiast
    and though we were based for the trip at Interlaken took us over the hill
    by motor bus to where the Trolleybus line from Thun terminated so we took
    a ride to Thun and back.
    Quite a scenic route and riding in a trailer was quite a different
    experience.
    Could not do it now, the Thun Trolleybuses were withdrawn in the 1980rCOs.

    GH
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  • From Ulf Kutzner@user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid to uk.railway on Wed Oct 8 07:15:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway


    Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> posted:

    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    The first Articulated buses I saw were these at Heathrow.

    <https://flic.kr/p/bscqxA>

    IrCOve found a more spectacular example of that layout:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/62767888@N00/7868440844



    You can still ride on an articulated (in that ^ style, as per an
    articulated lorry) bus in Europe - and it's the cutest bus ever!

    The Weggis LidoBus was built in 1959 and has run the same route ever since <https://www.weggis-vitznau.ch/en/package/lidobus>

    Elsewhere in Switzerland (and I think at a handful of locations in Germany) you can ride non-articulated buses which are bendy - a normal bus with a drawbar trailer. In Switzerland the trailers now operate behind diesel-engined postbuses between Lauterbrunnen and Stechelberg, and also school-time only trips on one route in the Appenzell region; the trailers formerly operated behind trolleybuses in Lausanne and Luzern, where they
    were replaced

    See also special operation in the East,
    driving-van type, IICR discontinued since: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86#/media/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%95_%D0%B8%D0%B7_%D0%97%D0%B8%D0%A3-9_%D0%B2_%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5.jpg

    Regards, ULF
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  • From Marland@gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk to uk.railway on Wed Oct 8 08:42:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> posted:

    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    The first Articulated buses I saw were these at Heathrow.

    <https://flic.kr/p/bscqxA>

    IrCOve found a more spectacular example of that layout:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/62767888@N00/7868440844



    You can still ride on an articulated (in that ^ style, as per an
    articulated lorry) bus in Europe - and it's the cutest bus ever!

    The Weggis LidoBus was built in 1959 and has run the same route ever since >> <https://www.weggis-vitznau.ch/en/package/lidobus>

    Elsewhere in Switzerland (and I think at a handful of locations in Germany) >> you can ride non-articulated buses which are bendy - a normal bus with a
    drawbar trailer. In Switzerland the trailers now operate behind
    diesel-engined postbuses between Lauterbrunnen and Stechelberg, and also
    school-time only trips on one route in the Appenzell region; the trailers
    formerly operated behind trolleybuses in Lausanne and Luzern, where they
    were replaced

    See also special operation in the East,
    driving-van type, IICR discontinued since: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86#/media/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%95_%D0%B8%D0%B7_%D0%97%D0%B8%D0%A3-9_%D0%B2_%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5.jpg

    Regards, ULF


    Now that is different to anything I have seen before, I take it both
    vehicles were powered with jumper cables from the rear unit to the front
    and that both can be separated and operated independently as required . Be interesting to find out how the steering mechanism was worked on the rear
    bus.
    Or were there still two drivers and it was just a method to save road
    space.

    GH
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  • From Sam Wilson@ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk to uk.railway on Wed Oct 8 09:00:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> posted:

    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    The first Articulated buses I saw were these at Heathrow.

    <https://flic.kr/p/bscqxA>

    IrCOve found a more spectacular example of that layout:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/62767888@N00/7868440844



    You can still ride on an articulated (in that ^ style, as per an
    articulated lorry) bus in Europe - and it's the cutest bus ever!

    The Weggis LidoBus was built in 1959 and has run the same route ever since >>> <https://www.weggis-vitznau.ch/en/package/lidobus>

    Elsewhere in Switzerland (and I think at a handful of locations in Germany) >>> you can ride non-articulated buses which are bendy - a normal bus with a >>> drawbar trailer. In Switzerland the trailers now operate behind
    diesel-engined postbuses between Lauterbrunnen and Stechelberg, and also >>> school-time only trips on one route in the Appenzell region; the trailers >>> formerly operated behind trolleybuses in Lausanne and Luzern, where they >>> were replaced

    See also special operation in the East,
    driving-van type, IICR discontinued since:
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86#/media/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%95_%D0%B8%D0%B7_%D0%97%D0%B8%D0%A3-9_%D0%B2_%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5.jpg

    Regards, ULF


    Now that is different to anything I have seen before, I take it both
    vehicles were powered with jumper cables from the rear unit to the front
    and that both can be separated and operated independently as required . Be interesting to find out how the steering mechanism was worked on the rear bus.
    Or were there still two drivers and it was just a method to save road
    space.

    Exactly the sort of questions I was thinking of, along with whether the
    front vehicle was powered at all and just pushed from the rear.

    Sam
    --
    The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
    Spit the dummy to reply
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  • From Ulf Kutzner@user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid to uk.railway on Wed Oct 8 09:02:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway


    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> posted:

    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> posted:

    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    The first Articulated buses I saw were these at Heathrow.

    <https://flic.kr/p/bscqxA>

    IrCOve found a more spectacular example of that layout:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/62767888@N00/7868440844



    You can still ride on an articulated (in that ^ style, as per an
    articulated lorry) bus in Europe - and it's the cutest bus ever!

    The Weggis LidoBus was built in 1959 and has run the same route ever since >> <https://www.weggis-vitznau.ch/en/package/lidobus>

    Elsewhere in Switzerland (and I think at a handful of locations in Germany)
    you can ride non-articulated buses which are bendy - a normal bus with a >> drawbar trailer. In Switzerland the trailers now operate behind
    diesel-engined postbuses between Lauterbrunnen and Stechelberg, and also >> school-time only trips on one route in the Appenzell region; the trailers >> formerly operated behind trolleybuses in Lausanne and Luzern, where they >> were replaced

    See also special operation in the East,
    driving-van type, IICR discontinued since: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86#/media/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%95_%D0%B8%D0%B7_%D0%97%D0%B8%D0%A3-9_%D0%B2_%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5.jpg


    Now that is different to anything I have seen before, I take it both
    vehicles were powered with jumper cables from the rear unit to the front

    You may be right. There were cables which might have
    been power ones for traction. Not shown on those pics.

    and that both can be separated and operated independently as required . Be interesting to find out how the steering mechanism was worked on the rear bus.
    Or were there still two drivers

    Not needed in an unsepatated double unit.

    and it was just a method to save road
    space.

    One driver. They used to separate such units in some
    places after peak with the driver of the following
    double unit parking it and continuing with the second
    part of the unit that had arrived earlier.
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.railway on Wed Oct 8 13:51:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 07/10/2025 23:44, Marland wrote:
    About 55+ years for me , School trip to Switzerland . One of the masters
    was a transport enthusiast



    Must be common for teachers!

    We had a teacher who used to organised trips. He must have contacts
    because I remember being told that he had arranged for one train to pick
    them up in the middle of nowhere.


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  • From Charles Ellson@charlesellson@btinternet.com to uk.railway on Wed Oct 8 18:00:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 8 Oct 2025 08:42:22 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
    wrote:

    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> posted:

    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    The first Articulated buses I saw were these at Heathrow.

    <https://flic.kr/p/bscqxA>

    IAve found a more spectacular example of that layout:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/62767888@N00/7868440844



    You can still ride on an articulated (in that ^ style, as per an
    articulated lorry) bus in Europe - and it's the cutest bus ever!

    The Weggis LidoBus was built in 1959 and has run the same route ever since >>> <https://www.weggis-vitznau.ch/en/package/lidobus>

    Elsewhere in Switzerland (and I think at a handful of locations in Germany) >>> you can ride non-articulated buses which are bendy - a normal bus with a >>> drawbar trailer. In Switzerland the trailers now operate behind
    diesel-engined postbuses between Lauterbrunnen and Stechelberg, and also >>> school-time only trips on one route in the Appenzell region; the trailers >>> formerly operated behind trolleybuses in Lausanne and Luzern, where they >>> were replaced

    See also special operation in the East,
    driving-van type, IICR discontinued since:
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86#/media/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%95_%D0%B8%D0%B7_%D0%97%D0%B8%D0%A3-9_%D0%B2_%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5.jpg

    Regards, ULF


    Now that is different to anything I have seen before, I take it both
    vehicles were powered with jumper cables from the rear unit to the front
    and that both can be separated and operated independently as required . Be >interesting to find out how the steering mechanism was worked on the rear >bus.
    Or were there still two drivers and it was just a method to save road
    space.

    Looking at the following photograph, I suspect they simply locked the
    steering on the second bus and changed the tyres a lot more often.
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  • From Nick Finnigan@nix@genie.co.uk to uk.railway on Wed Oct 8 23:59:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 08/10/2025 18:00, Charles Ellson wrote:
    On 8 Oct 2025 08:42:22 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
    wrote:

    Now that is different to anything I have seen before, I take it both
    vehicles were powered with jumper cables from the rear unit to the front
    and that both can be separated and operated independently as required . Be >> interesting to find out how the steering mechanism was worked on the rear
    bus.
    Or were there still two drivers and it was just a method to save road
    space.

    Looking at the following photograph, I suspect they simply locked the steering on the second bus and changed the tyres a lot more often.

    https://atlas.tramway.ru/about/trolltrains_eng.html
    especially page 44 'Kyiv Doubled'
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  • From Graeme Wall@rail@greywall.demon.co.uk to uk.railway on Thu Oct 9 09:21:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 08/10/2025 23:59, Nick Finnigan wrote:
    On 08/10/2025 18:00, Charles Ellson wrote:
    On 8 Oct 2025 08:42:22 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
    wrote:

    Now that is different to anything I have seen before, I take it both
    vehicles were powered with jumper cables from the rear unit to the front >>> and that both can be separated and operated independently as required
    .-a Be
    interesting to find out how the steering mechanism was worked on the
    rear
    bus.
    Or were there still two drivers-a and it was just a method to save road
    space.

    Looking at the following photograph, I suspect they simply locked the
    steering on the second bus and changed the tyres a lot more often.

    https://atlas.tramway.ru/about/trolltrains_eng.html
    especially page 44 'Kyiv Doubled'


    There is a solid towbar that appears to go under the front of the rear vehicle. Presumably that is connected to the steering. The firat image
    on that page clearly shows the wheels steering.
    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.


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  • From Anna Noyd-Dryver@anna@noyd-dryver.com to uk.railway on Thu Oct 9 12:19:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On 8 Oct 2025 08:42:22 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
    wrote:

    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> posted:

    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    The first Articulated buses I saw were these at Heathrow.

    <https://flic.kr/p/bscqxA>

    I-Ave found a more spectacular example of that layout:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/62767888@N00/7868440844



    You can still ride on an articulated (in that ^ style, as per an
    articulated lorry) bus in Europe - and it's the cutest bus ever!

    The Weggis LidoBus was built in 1959 and has run the same route ever since >>>> <https://www.weggis-vitznau.ch/en/package/lidobus>

    Elsewhere in Switzerland (and I think at a handful of locations in Germany)
    you can ride non-articulated buses which are bendy - a normal bus with a >>>> drawbar trailer. In Switzerland the trailers now operate behind
    diesel-engined postbuses between Lauterbrunnen and Stechelberg, and also >>>> school-time only trips on one route in the Appenzell region; the trailers >>>> formerly operated behind trolleybuses in Lausanne and Luzern, where they >>>> were replaced

    See also special operation in the East,
    driving-van type, IICR discontinued since:
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86#/media/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%95_%D0%B8%D0%B7_%D0%97%D0%B8%D0%A3-9_%D0%B2_%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5.jpg

    Regards, ULF


    Now that is different to anything I have seen before, I take it both
    vehicles were powered with jumper cables from the rear unit to the front
    and that both can be separated and operated independently as required . Be >> interesting to find out how the steering mechanism was worked on the rear
    bus.
    Or were there still two drivers and it was just a method to save road
    space.

    Looking at the following photograph, I suspect they simply locked the steering on the second bus and changed the tyres a lot more often.


    You can clearly see that the front wheel of the second bus isn't pointing straight forwards.

    Presuming this is a permanent/semi-permanent conversion, the technology for steering a drawbar trailer was well established by that time ("link the
    towbar angle to the steering rack", presumably).

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  • From Charles Ellson@charlesellson@btinternet.com to uk.railway on Sun Oct 12 01:17:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 23:59:03 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 08/10/2025 18:00, Charles Ellson wrote:
    On 8 Oct 2025 08:42:22 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
    wrote:

    Now that is different to anything I have seen before, I take it both
    vehicles were powered with jumper cables from the rear unit to the front >>> and that both can be separated and operated independently as required . Be >>> interesting to find out how the steering mechanism was worked on the rear >>> bus.
    Or were there still two drivers and it was just a method to save road
    space.

    Looking at the following photograph, I suspect they simply locked the
    steering on the second bus and changed the tyres a lot more often.

    https://atlas.tramway.ru/about/trolltrains_eng.html
    especially page 44 'Kyiv Doubled'

    Yes, fairly clear in that one and others but the SU was also infamous
    for some of its bodges.
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