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Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40 years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been
thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically >>>> British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes >>>> showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake >>>> District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are >>> hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been
thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had >> more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective - due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
Theo
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically >>>> British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes >>>> showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake >>>> District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are >>> hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40 >> years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been
thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had >> more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective - due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically >>>> British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes >>>> showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake >>>> District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are >>> hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been
thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had >> more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective - due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
Theo
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically >>>>>> British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes >>>>>> showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake >>>>>> District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are >>>>> hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40 >>>> years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an >>>> extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been
thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had >>>> more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why >>> it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective - >>> due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice >>> way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get >>> a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically >>>>>>> British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes >>>>>>> showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake >>>>>>> District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40 >>>>> years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an >>>>> extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been
thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers >>>>> getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which >>>> suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why >>>> it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train >>>> overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice >>>> way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day >>> destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an >>>>> extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers >>>>> getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which >>>> suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps. >>>>
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train >>>> overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial >>>> estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day >>> destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an >>>>>>> extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers >>>>>>> getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which >>>>>> suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps. >>>>>>
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train >>>>>> overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial >>>>>> estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day >>>>> destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train >>> tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and >>> the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they >> could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity.
Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they >> could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity.
Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you
are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up in a siding somewhere.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically >>>>>> British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes >>>>>> showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake >>>>>> District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are >>>>> hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40 >>>> years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an >>>> extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been
thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had >>>> more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why >>> it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective - >>> due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice >>> way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get >>> a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically >>>>> British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes >>>>> showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake >>>>> District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are >>>> hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40 >>> years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been
thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had >>> more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why >> it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective - >> due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get >> a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an >>>>>>>> extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers >>>>>>>> getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which >>>>>>> suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps. >>>>>>>
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train >>>>>>> overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial >>>>>>> estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day >>>>>> destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they >>> could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity.
Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you
are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up in a siding somewhere.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers >>>>>>>> getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps. >>>>>>>
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial >>>>>>> estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they
could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity.
Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up in a siding somewhere.
Why do you think it will be uncomfortable?
These aren't standard sleeper berths!
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically >>>>> British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes >>>>> showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake >>>>> District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40 >>> years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an >>> extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been
thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why >> it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice >> way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
Then you should travel on one of the tours which operates like that.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>>>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers >>>>>>>>> getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps. >>>>>>>>
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train >>>>>>>> overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial >>>>>>>> estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they >>>> could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity.
Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you
are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up >> in a siding somewhere.
Why do you think it will be uncomfortable?
These aren't standard sleeper berths!
I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent shower, assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing
issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically >>>>>> British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes >>>>>> showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake >>>>>> District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are >>>>> hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40 >>>> years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an >>>> extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been
thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had >>>> more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why >>> it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective - >>> due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice >>> way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get >>> a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
Then you should travel on one of the tours which operates like that.
That's not the purpose of this train - the idea is that the train is your >home for the 3/6 nights of the tour, you don't have to unpack/repack every >day [1]; you eat, sleep and travel on board your luxury train.
Besides which, with this arrangement Belmond control every aspect of the >experience; whereas using 3rd party hotels [2], not only would they lose >control of the experience, but also they'd have to pay onwards some of the >fare income for that, and over half the train carriages would become >redundant.
In any case, I doubt that you, I, or anyone else on this group (even >Recliner) are likely to ever travel on this train.
[1] having done several road or rail trips involving moving on every day or >two, I can safely say that it's quite wearing, and that a 3 or 4 day stay
in one place in the middle of a two week trip is most welcome; so I can >understand there being a market for trips where people live on the train.
[2] Belmond only own 2 UK hotels, one in London and one in Oxfordshire, not >much use for trips to Wales, Cornwall and Cumbria.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent shower,
assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing
issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
They use road tankers to fill/empty the tanks during stops: >https://thewandererphotos.smugmug.com/2019-Photos/May-2019/i-bkGCGTq
So they only need to carry a limited amount of water. At 36 pax for 10 >coaches there's quite a bit of space for thanks.
(I presume this is why they repatriated the Irish Mk3s rather than
converting some GB ones, as the mods for the water system can't have been >cheap - and the power doors of course)
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>>>>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers >>>>>>>>>> getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps. >>>>>>>>>
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial >>>>>>>>> estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they
could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity. >>>>
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you >>> are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up >>> in a siding somewhere.
Why do you think it will be uncomfortable?
These aren't standard sleeper berths!
US-rated King size?
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent shower, assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>>>>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers >>>>>>>>>> getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps. >>>>>>>>>
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial >>>>>>>>> estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they
could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity. >>>>
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you >>> are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up >>> in a siding somewhere.
Why do you think it will be uncomfortable?
These aren't standard sleeper berths!
issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>>>>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they
could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity. >>>>
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you >>> are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up
in a siding somewhere.
Why do you think it will be uncomfortable?
These aren't standard sleeper berths!
US-rated King size?
<https://www.google.com>
Or, to save you the effort:
<https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/uk/britannic-explorer/accommodation>
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent shower,
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they
could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity. >>>>>
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you >>>> are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up
in a siding somewhere.
Why do you think it will be uncomfortable?
These aren't standard sleeper berths!
assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing
issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
There are 36 passengers in a ten-coach train. IrCOm sure they can manage to carry enough water.
(Specifically, four accommodation carriages, three sleeping eight guests
each and one sleeping six guests)
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent shower,
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they
could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity. >>>>>
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you >>>> are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up
in a siding somewhere.
Why do you think it will be uncomfortable?
These aren't standard sleeper berths!
assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing
issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
There are 36 passengers in a ten-coach train. IrCOm sure they can manage to >carry enough water.
(Specifically, four accommodation carriages, three sleeping eight guests
each and one sleeping six guests)
On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 13:41:33 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent shower, >>> assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they
could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity. >>>>>>
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you >>>>> are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up
in a siding somewhere.
Why do you think it will be uncomfortable?
These aren't standard sleeper berths!
issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
There are 36 passengers in a ten-coach train. IrCOm sure they can manage to >> carry enough water.
(Specifically, four accommodation carriages, three sleeping eight guests
each and one sleeping six guests)
Surely more? There are 18 carriages, but that only adds up to 15.
On 07 Oct 2025 13:40:00 +0100 (BST), Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent shower, >> assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing
issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
They use road tankers to fill/empty the tanks during stops: >https://thewandererphotos.smugmug.com/2019-Photos/May-2019/i-bkGCGTq
So they only need to carry a limited amount of water. At 36 pax for 10 >coaches there's quite a bit of space for thanks.
(I presume this is why they repatriated the Irish Mk3s rather than >converting some GB ones, as the mods for the water system can't have been >cheap - and the power doors of course)
This train used to be the Grand Hibernian in Ireland. It stopped running for Covid, and never re-started, presumably
because it hadn't been very successful when it was running. I suspect Ireland is just too small to need a justify a
luxury hotel train. Irish Americans could simply base themselves in a country house hotel in whichever county they
claimed to come from.
On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 13:41:33 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent shower, >>> assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they
could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity. >>>>>>
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you >>>>> are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up
in a siding somewhere.
Why do you think it will be uncomfortable?
These aren't standard sleeper berths!
issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
There are 36 passengers in a ten-coach train. IrCOm sure they can manage to >> carry enough water.
(Specifically, four accommodation carriages, three sleeping eight guests
each and one sleeping six guests)
Surely more? There are 18 carriages, but that only adds up to 15.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
On 07 Oct 2025 13:40:00 +0100 (BST), Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent shower, >>>> assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing >>>> issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
They use road tankers to fill/empty the tanks during stops:
https://thewandererphotos.smugmug.com/2019-Photos/May-2019/i-bkGCGTq
So they only need to carry a limited amount of water. At 36 pax for 10
coaches there's quite a bit of space for thanks.
(I presume this is why they repatriated the Irish Mk3s rather than
converting some GB ones, as the mods for the water system can't have been >>> cheap - and the power doors of course)
This train used to be the Grand Hibernian in Ireland. It stopped running
for Covid, and never re-started, presumably
because it hadn't been very successful when it was running. I suspect
Ireland is just too small to need a justify a
luxury hotel train. Irish Americans could simply base themselves in a
country house hotel in whichever county they
claimed to come from.
Yes, and they installed the plumbing for the Grand Hibernian. But it sounds like it was a full interior strip down and refurb when they moved to GB, rather than just polishing up what they already had. The plumbing (and the doors, and maybe A/C?) is likely a factor in why they regauged the Irish coaches rather than converting some existing standard gauge Mk3s.
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent shower, assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>>>>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers >>>>>>>>>> getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps. >>>>>>>>>
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial >>>>>>>>> estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they
could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity. >>>>
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you >>> are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up >>> in a siding somewhere.
Why do you think it will be uncomfortable?
These aren't standard sleeper berths!
issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been >>>>>>>>> thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers >>>>>>>>> getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps. >>>>>>>>
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train >>>>>>>> overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial >>>>>>>> estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they >>>> could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity.
Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you
are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up >> in a siding somewhere.
Why do you think it will be uncomfortable?
These aren't standard sleeper berths!
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 13:41:33 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent shower, >>>> assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing >>>> issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:Why use cabins if passengers do not sleep in the train?
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> posted:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/10/2025 11:49, Recliner wrote:
In upbeat mode, the company said it would debut the rCLunapologetically
British, effortlessly elegantrCY service in mid-2025, with three routes
showcasing rCLthe spectacular natural landscapes of Cornwall, the Lake
District and WalesrCY.
Perhaps they should now apologise for being British. Door mechanisms are
hardly cutting edge technology.
Yes, particularly as these are Mark 3 carriages, built from new (about 40
years ago) with power doors. The carriages are supposed to have had an
extensive refurbishment, so basic items like that should have been
thoroughly checked, and replaced if needed. The train should also have had
more trial runs, first with staff, then with local paying passengers
getting a huge discount.
It seems like some staff training runs were run with other stock, which
suggests the designated stock was late being delivered. That might be why
it didn't get the commissioning runs it needed to iron out the bumps.
It sounds like quite an interesting setup from an operational perspective -
due to the lack of sidings on the main line they're stabling the train
overnight in a variety of freight branches or preserved railways. A nice
way for preserved railways to get some extra income, and the passengers get
a more peaceful overnight location than a siding behind an industrial
estate.
I think IrCOd prefer to be put up in a hotel each night. Each end of day
destination canrCOt be far from a decent hotel.
All of them big enough to accommodate all passengers?
ItrCOs perfectly possible. IrCOve just travelled on a two day private train
tour between Zermatt and St Moritz. The overnight stop was at Andermatt and
the passengers were divided between 3 hotels.
Yes, it only has 18 cabins, so a maximum of 36 passengers. IrCOm sure they
could find luxurious country house hotels with that sort of capacity. >>>>>>>
Why indeed. A sleeper cabin has a use if the train is underway whilst you
are asleep. You get somewhere. But just an uncomfortable night if parked up
in a siding somewhere.
Why do you think it will be uncomfortable?
These aren't standard sleeper berths!
There are 36 passengers in a ten-coach train. IrCOm sure they can manage to >>> carry enough water.
(Specifically, four accommodation carriages, three sleeping eight guests >>> each and one sleeping six guests)
Surely more? There are 18 carriages, but that only adds up to 15.
I added it up correctly earlier, then tried to post from memory *d'oh*.
36 guests in five cars, three sleeping eight each, two sleeping six each.
The train consists of ten cars, observation/bar, two dining cars, five
guest accommodation cars (one includes the spa treatment room), staff sleeping car and generator car.
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmond_Britannic_Explorer>
Even if they were, IrCOve always found that when the train has stopped (some sleeper schedules IrCOve been on have had extended stops) the berth has been very comfortable. When the train is moving I never sleep quite as soundly
as when itrCOs still.
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Even if they were, IrCOve always found that when the train has stopped (some >> sleeper schedules IrCOve been on have had extended stops) the berth has been >> very comfortable. When the train is moving I never sleep quite as soundly >> as when itrCOs still.
I've heard it said that longitudinal berths are more comfortable as they rock you head to foot, rather than side to side in a traditional transverse
berth. Here the beds are all longitudinal, although I think they don't operate any of their UK trains overnight.
Theo
On 08/10/2025 16:50, Theo wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Even if they were, IrCOve always found that when the train has stopped (some
sleeper schedules IrCOve been on have had extended stops) the berth has been
very comfortable. When the train is moving I never sleep quite as soundly >>> as when itrCOs still.
I've heard it said that longitudinal berths are more comfortable as they rock
you head to foot, rather than side to side in a traditional transverse
berth. Here the beds are all longitudinal, although I think they don't
operate any of their UK trains overnight.
Theo
That is certainly the case on ships!
ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
On 08/10/2025 16:50, Theo wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Even if they were, IrCOve always found that when the train has stopped (some
sleeper schedules IrCOve been on have had extended stops) the berth has been
very comfortable. When the train is moving I never sleep quite as soundly >>>> as when itrCOs still.
I've heard it said that longitudinal berths are more comfortable as they rock
you head to foot, rather than side to side in a traditional transverse
berth. Here the beds are all longitudinal, although I think they don't
operate any of their UK trains overnight.
Theo
That is certainly the case on ships!
Interesting. I donrCOt go on sleepers enough to have compared the direction of sleeping, and IrCOve only been on a longitudinal sleeper once, last year, so I donrCOt really have data to compare. IrCOve always noticed cornering when
on a side-to-side sleeper, being pushed onto my feet or head, rather than forward acceleration or braking. I wonder whether thatrCOs what the difference is. A ship would tend to deviate from the vertical much more in roll than in pitch just because of its dimensions, but whether stability control, active or passive, makes that less of an difference I donrCOt know.
Thank you, both
On 08/10/2025 16:50, Theo wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Even if they were, IrCOve always found that when the train has stopped
(some
sleeper schedules IrCOve been on have had extended stops) the berth has >>> been
very comfortable.-a When the train is moving I never sleep quite as
soundly
as when itrCOs still.
I've heard it said that longitudinal berths are more comfortable as
they rock
you head to foot, rather than side to side in a traditional transverse
berth.-a Here the beds are all longitudinal, although I think they don't
operate any of their UK trains overnight.
Theo
That is certainly the case on ships!
On 08/10/2025 16:50, Theo wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Even if they were, IrCOve always found that when the train has stopped (some
sleeper schedules IrCOve been on have had extended stops) the berth has been
very comfortable. When the train is moving I never sleep quite as soundly >> as when itrCOs still.
I've heard it said that longitudinal berths are more comfortable as they rock
you head to foot, rather than side to side in a traditional transverse berth. Here the beds are all longitudinal, although I think they don't operate any of their UK trains overnight.
That is certainly the case on ships!
ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> posted:
On 08/10/2025 16:50, Theo wrote:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Even if they were, IrCOve always found that when the train has stopped (some
sleeper schedules IrCOve been on have had extended stops) the berth has been
very comfortable. When the train is moving I never sleep quite as soundly >>>> as when itrCOs still.
I've heard it said that longitudinal berths are more comfortable as they rock
you head to foot, rather than side to side in a traditional transverse
berth. Here the beds are all longitudinal, although I think they don't
operate any of their UK trains overnight.
That is certainly the case on ships!
Hm. https://www.wasserurlaub.info/forum/thread/58763-fahrtrichtung-bett/?postID=1485441#post1485441
Tweed wrote:shower,
I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent
<https://photos.smugmug.com/2019-Photos/May-2019/i-bkGCGTq/0/L55rWnZjt3zBZh6NRQkbRGHSw84kQDHmJrpj7n6Lx/X3/DSC_2763-X3.jpg>assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing
issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
They use road tankers
Theo wrote:
Tweed wrote:shower,
I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent
assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing
issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
They use road tankers<https://photos.smugmug.com/2019-Photos/May-2019/i-bkGCGTq/0/L55rWnZjt3zBZh6NRQkbRGHSw84kQDHmJrpj7n6Lx/X3/DSC_2763-X3.jpg>
If that's filling the shower tanks, I'll pass, thanks.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
Theo wrote:
Tweed wrote:shower,
I doubt they can carry enough water for everyone to have a decent
<https://photos.smugmug.com/2019-Photos/May-2019/i-bkGCGTq/0/L55rWnZjt3zBZh6NRQkbRGHSw84kQDHmJrpj7n6Lx/X3/DSC_2763-X3.jpg>assuming the showers work. I understand working showers are an ongoing >>>> issue on the Caledonian Sleeper.
They use road tankers
If that's filling the shower tanks, I'll pass, thanks.
That's the waste tanker. A different one will be filling the fresh water tanks.
