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This article has a few more details. The trainsets are 200m long and can use >25kV 50 Hz,
1.5kV or 3 kV DC. They might add 15kV 16.zHz for Germany and Switzerland if >they can
do it without delaying the order.
They plan to start in 2030 and ramp up to 13 tpd to Paris, 4 to Brussels, and >3 to Amsterdam.
They might add 15kV 16.zHz for Germany and Switzerland if they can
do it without delaying the order.
They plan to start in 2030 and ramp up to 13 tpd to Paris, 4 to Brussels, and >>3 to Amsterdam.
If they're just going to replicate E* whats the point? Surely they'd be >better off doing routes that E* can't be bothered to do? Yes, customs check >issues, I understand, but possibly a Ryanair approach going to slightly
more esoteric destinations might be an idea.
According to <boltar@caprica.universe>:
They might add 15kV 16.zHz for Germany and Switzerland if they can
do it without delaying the order.
They plan to start in 2030 and ramp up to 13 tpd to Paris, 4 to Brussels, and
3 to Amsterdam.
If they're just going to replicate E* whats the point? Surely they'd be
better off doing routes that E* can't be bothered to do? Yes, customs check >> issues, I understand, but possibly a Ryanair approach going to slightly
more esoteric destinations might be an idea.
The bit about German and Swiss voltages suggests that's the plan.
Given how painful it was to set up the customs facility in Amsterdam, I am not surprised they'd start with places that already have them.
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 19:58:30 -0000 (UTC)
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> gabbled:
This article has a few more details. The trainsets are 200m long and can use
25kV 50 Hz,
1.5kV or 3 kV DC. They might add 15kV 16.zHz for Germany and Switzerland if >> they can
do it without delaying the order.
They plan to start in 2030 and ramp up to 13 tpd to Paris, 4 to Brussels, and
3 to Amsterdam.
If they're just going to replicate E* whats the point? Surely they'd be better off doing routes that E* can't be bothered to do? Yes, customs check issues, I understand, but possibly a Ryanair approach going to slightly
more esoteric destinations might be an idea. I'm pretty dure direct
services to Bordeaux and Biaritz via some historic cities on the way such
as Tours and Potiers would be popular for example.
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 19:58:30 -0000 (UTC)
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> gabbled:
This article has a few more details. The trainsets are 200m long and can use
25kV 50 Hz,
1.5kV or 3 kV DC. They might add 15kV 16.zHz for Germany and Switzerland if >>> they can
do it without delaying the order.
They plan to start in 2030 and ramp up to 13 tpd to Paris, 4 to Brussels, and
3 to Amsterdam.
If they're just going to replicate E* whats the point? Surely they'd be
better off doing routes that E* can't be bothered to do? Yes, customs check >> issues, I understand, but possibly a Ryanair approach going to slightly
more esoteric destinations might be an idea. I'm pretty dure direct
services to Bordeaux and Biaritz via some historic cities on the way such
as Tours and Potiers would be popular for example.
Uber and Gemini plan a slight variation, serving different UK stations:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/9b1f7b32-f5fc-442a-8af5-1b59408b8776?shareToken=8c1f6c405c028295280bcbb16658a7bb
Well itrCOs a more imaginative proposal than the Virgin one. Stratford as the terminus and putting Ebbsfleet back into service. They are talking up the Elizabeth line as a convenient way into multiple London destinations. I donrCOt know much about Stratford into central London - is it reasonably speedy and potentially attractive to Stratford terminating travellers (both outbound UK and inbound tourists)?
Avoiding the St Pancras by fight is potentially attractive, but perhaps
only to those that know about the issue.
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 19:58:30 -0000 (UTC)
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> gabbled:
This article has a few more details. The trainsets are 200m long and can use
25kV 50 Hz,
1.5kV or 3 kV DC. They might add 15kV 16.zHz for Germany and Switzerland if >> they can
do it without delaying the order.
They plan to start in 2030 and ramp up to 13 tpd to Paris, 4 to Brussels, and
3 to Amsterdam.
If they're just going to replicate E* whats the point? Surely they'd be better off doing routes that E* can't be bothered to do? Yes, customs check issues, I understand, but possibly a Ryanair approach going to slightly
more esoteric destinations might be an idea. I'm pretty dure direct
services to Bordeaux and Biaritz via some historic cities on the way such
as Tours and Potiers would be popular for example.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Well itrCOs a more imaginative proposal than the Virgin one. Stratford as the
terminus and putting Ebbsfleet back into service. They are talking up the
Elizabeth line as a convenient way into multiple London destinations. I
donrCOt know much about Stratford into central London - is it reasonably
speedy and potentially attractive to Stratford terminating travellers (both >> outbound UK and inbound tourists)?
Avoiding the St Pancras by fight is potentially attractive, but perhaps
only to those that know about the issue.
It's a few minutes from St Pancras by Southeastern. I've not used the EL >there but I think that's in the main Regional station, which is the wrong >side of the shopping centre (or one stop on the DLR). So the article is >technically correct that *Stratford Regional* is easily accessed by EL, but >omits to mention that *Stratford International* isn't.
However you could argue that changing at either St Pancras or Stratford >Regional gives a lot of connectivity whichever way, and some of that >connectivity is no different from changing at another tube station - eg if >you wanted to get from Waterloo, you'd have to change once at Oxford Circus >to get to St Pancras for E* or once at Stratford Regional to get to >International. Similar combinations of tube+DLR or tube+Southeastern or >EL+DLR cover a lot of London.
On 26 Aug 2025 11:02:25 +0100 (BST), Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Well itrCOs a more imaginative proposal than the Virgin one. Stratford as the
terminus and putting Ebbsfleet back into service. They are talking up the >>> Elizabeth line as a convenient way into multiple London destinations. I
donrCOt know much about Stratford into central London - is it reasonably >>> speedy and potentially attractive to Stratford terminating travellers (both >>> outbound UK and inbound tourists)?
Avoiding the St Pancras by fight is potentially attractive, but perhaps
only to those that know about the issue.
It's a few minutes from St Pancras by Southeastern. I've not used the EL
there but I think that's in the main Regional station, which is the wrong
side of the shopping centre (or one stop on the DLR). So the article is
technically correct that *Stratford Regional* is easily accessed by EL, but >> omits to mention that *Stratford International* isn't.
However you could argue that changing at either St Pancras or Stratford
Regional gives a lot of connectivity whichever way, and some of that
connectivity is no different from changing at another tube station - eg if >> you wanted to get from Waterloo, you'd have to change once at Oxford Circus >> to get to St Pancras for E* or once at Stratford Regional to get to
International. Similar combinations of tube+DLR or tube+Southeastern or
EL+DLR cover a lot of London.
Of course, changing from the Jubilee to the DLR is really easy at
Stratford. The Liz-DLR is less convenient.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
On 26 Aug 2025 11:02:25 +0100 (BST), Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Well itrCOs a more imaginative proposal than the Virgin one. Stratford as the
terminus and putting Ebbsfleet back into service. They are talking up the >>>> Elizabeth line as a convenient way into multiple London destinations. I >>>> donrCOt know much about Stratford into central London - is it reasonably >>>> speedy and potentially attractive to Stratford terminating travellers (both
outbound UK and inbound tourists)?
Avoiding the St Pancras by fight is potentially attractive, but perhaps >>>> only to those that know about the issue.
It's a few minutes from St Pancras by Southeastern. I've not used the EL >>> there but I think that's in the main Regional station, which is the wrong >>> side of the shopping centre (or one stop on the DLR). So the article is >>> technically correct that *Stratford Regional* is easily accessed by EL, but >>> omits to mention that *Stratford International* isn't.
However you could argue that changing at either St Pancras or Stratford
Regional gives a lot of connectivity whichever way, and some of that
connectivity is no different from changing at another tube station - eg if >>> you wanted to get from Waterloo, you'd have to change once at Oxford Circus >>> to get to St Pancras for E* or once at Stratford Regional to get to
International. Similar combinations of tube+DLR or tube+Southeastern or >>> EL+DLR cover a lot of London.
Of course, changing from the Jubilee to the DLR is really easy at
Stratford. The Liz-DLR is less convenient.
What are the capacity constraints? Existing South Eastern users would get >annoyed if a trainload of folk from a continental train tried to get on at >Stratford for one stop. And the Virgin passengers might find they didnrCOt >fit on either South Eastern or DLR services.
. . . And the Virgin passengers might find they didnrCOt
fit on either South Eastern or DLR services.