• Plod in 1987

    From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Sun Aug 17 18:52:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Shippea Hill smash, Railway Scrapbook, 1987 09 10

    A train smashed through level-crossing barriers at Shippea Hill after a policeman ordered the gates to be opened to let his car through. No one
    was hurt in the accident but both sets of crossing gates were
    demolished.

    BR said the barriers were closed and warning lights flashing for a train travelling from Norwich to Cambridge when a policeman drove up and asked
    the signalman to open the gates.

    He refused but then the plain-clothed officer produced a warrant card
    and ordered him to do so. The police car sped across the rails but the
    train could not stop in time.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From NY@me@privacy.net to uk.railway on Sun Aug 17 19:17:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 17/08/2025 18:52, Roland Perry wrote:
    Shippea Hill smash, Railway Scrapbook, 1987 09 10

    A train smashed through level-crossing barriers at Shippea Hill after a policeman ordered the gates to be opened to let his car through. No one
    was hurt in the accident but both sets of crossing gates were demolished.

    BR said the barriers were closed and warning lights flashing for a train travelling from Norwich to Cambridge when a policeman drove up and asked
    the signalman to open the gates.

    He refused but then the plain-clothed officer produced a warrant card
    and ordered him to do so. The police car sped across the rails but the
    train could not stop in time.

    I wonder what happened to Plod's career.
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  • From Marland@gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk to uk.railway on Sun Aug 17 21:27:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
    On 17/08/2025 18:52, Roland Perry wrote:
    Shippea Hill smash, Railway Scrapbook, 1987 09 10

    A train smashed through level-crossing barriers at Shippea Hill after a
    policeman ordered the gates to be opened to let his car through. No one
    was hurt in the accident but both sets of crossing gates were demolished.

    BR said the barriers were closed and warning lights flashing for a train
    travelling from Norwich to Cambridge when a policeman drove up and asked
    the signalman to open the gates.

    He refused but then the plain-clothed officer produced a warrant card
    and ordered him to do so. The police car sped across the rails but the
    train could not stop in time.

    I wonder what happened to Plod's career.


    Cheered on by his colleagues and promoted.

    But it is quite obvious that it was an open and shut case about a shut and
    open incident.

    GH

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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.railway on Sun Aug 17 23:16:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 17/08/2025 18:52, Roland Perry wrote:
    Shippea Hill smash, Railway Scrapbook, 1987 09 10




    Cambridge Daily News - Thursday 10 September 1987
    It was the front page story with picture showing debris of the car.



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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.railway on Sun Aug 17 23:24:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 17/08/2025 23:16, JMB99 wrote:
    -aCambridge Daily News - Thursday 10 September 1987
    It was the front page story with picture showing debris of the car.


    The line was closed for thirty minutes, nowadays it would be closed at
    least all day!


    ----


    Cambridge Daily News - Thursday 10 September 1987
    TRAIN HITS BARRIERS Railway By Tim Verney and David Cook chiefs rCyamazedrCO at action
    A TRAIN smashed through level-crossing barriers near Ely today after a policeman ordered the gates to be opened to let his car through says
    British Rail
    Furious rail chiefs condemned the action as rCLdangerousrCY and rCLamazingrCY They say they will be holding urgent talks with senior police officers
    about the incident No-one was hurt in the accident
    which took place at at Shippea Hill station shortly after 930 this
    morning but both sets of crossing gates were demolished
    Firemen from Littleport, Mildenhall, Cambridge and Ely went to the scene
    and traffic on the A 1101 Littleport to Mildenhall Road was held up for
    more than 30 minutes.
    A BR spokesman in London said the barriers were closed across the road
    and warning lights were flashing for a train travelling from Norwich to Cambridge when a policeman drove up and asked the signalman to open the
    gates
    The signalman refused he said but the officer then ordered him to open
    the gates. The police car sped across the rails safely but the train rCo a diesel locomotive and brake van rCo could not stop in time and smashed
    through the barriers.

    Rush hour

    BR Manager at Cambridge Mr David Athey said: rCLA man in plain clothes
    asked our signalman to open the gate and he refused. He then produced a
    police warrant card and ordered him to do so. The train then went into
    the gate
    rCLIt was lucky no one was hurt It happened just after the rush hourrCY
    The London spokesman added they were trying to discover which force
    was involved
    rCLIt was a very dangerous manoeuvre For a police officer to demand that
    the signalman open up the gates is to us frankly quite amazingrCY he said British Transport Police which is handling all inquiries said senior
    officers were investigating at the scene Cambridgeshire Police refused
    to comment
    The only damage to the train itself was scratched paintwork: it later continued its journey on to Cambridge but other services were held up
    and hand signals are now in use
    Shippea Hill station level-crossing is a notorious blackspot: five
    people have died in accidents there in the past
    In 1976 a Cherry Hinton train driver was killed and three passengers
    injured when a locomotive ploughed into a lorry




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  • From Trolleybus@ken@birchanger.com to uk.railway on Mon Aug 18 08:37:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 18:52:07 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Shippea Hill smash, Railway Scrapbook, 1987 09 10

    A train smashed through level-crossing barriers at Shippea Hill after a >policeman ordered the gates to be opened to let his car through. No one
    was hurt in the accident but both sets of crossing gates were
    demolished.

    BR said the barriers were closed and warning lights flashing for a train >travelling from Norwich to Cambridge when a policeman drove up and asked
    the signalman to open the gates.

    He refused but then the plain-clothed officer produced a warrant card
    and ordered him to do so. The police car sped across the rails but the
    train could not stop in time.

    My suspicion would be that the policeman was fake.
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.railway on Mon Aug 18 09:04:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 18/08/2025 08:37, Trolleybus wrote:
    My suspicion would be that the policeman was fake.


    No suggestion of that in any of the newspaper coverage.

    It seems quite plausible with many police officers.


    MB
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  • From Charles Ellson@charlesellson@btinternet.com to uk.railway on Mon Aug 18 15:08:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 09:04:49 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 18/08/2025 08:37, Trolleybus wrote:
    My suspicion would be that the policeman was fake.


    No suggestion of that in any of the newspaper coverage.

    It seems quite plausible with many police officers.

    Most could possibly name a colleague even if they weren't daft enough
    to do such a thing themselves.
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  • From Trolleybus@ken@birchanger.com to uk.railway on Tue Aug 19 07:19:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 08:37:28 +0100, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 18:52:07 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Shippea Hill smash, Railway Scrapbook, 1987 09 10

    A train smashed through level-crossing barriers at Shippea Hill after a >>policeman ordered the gates to be opened to let his car through. No one >>was hurt in the accident but both sets of crossing gates were
    demolished.

    BR said the barriers were closed and warning lights flashing for a train >>travelling from Norwich to Cambridge when a policeman drove up and asked >>the signalman to open the gates.

    He refused but then the plain-clothed officer produced a warrant card
    and ordered him to do so. The police car sped across the rails but the >>train could not stop in time.

    My suspicion would be that the policeman was fake.

    Well, he was plain clothes, nobody knew which force he was from and he
    was acting like an entitled prick. There have been cases of Walter
    Mitty characters that go around pretending to be police and this may
    have been one of them.
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.railway on Tue Aug 19 08:24:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 19/08/2025 07:19, Trolleybus wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 08:37:28 +0100, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com>
    wrote:




    It was a Cambridgeshire Police vehicle on an undercover operation so presumably unmarked car.


    Appears to have been three unmarked cars chasing a car with four burglars.

    The report says the signalman changed the signals back to danger and
    opened the gates.


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  • From NY@me@privacy.net to uk.railway on Tue Aug 19 20:47:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 19/08/2025 08:24, JMB99 wrote:
    On 19/08/2025 07:19, Trolleybus wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 08:37:28 +0100, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com>
    wrote:




    It was a Cambridgeshire Police vehicle on an undercover operation so presumably unmarked car.


    Appears to have been three unmarked cars chasing a car with four burglars.

    The report says the signalman changed the signals back to danger and
    opened the gates.

    In which case the signaller shouldn't have set the signal to red with a
    train approaching it on the grounds that the train would probably SPAD
    if it was too close. And having set the signal to danger he should have
    waited until the train was proved to be stationary before opening the gates/barriers.
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  • From Certes@Certes@example.org to uk.railway on Tue Aug 19 21:26:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 19/08/2025 20:47, NY wrote:
    On 19/08/2025 08:24, JMB99 wrote:
    On 19/08/2025 07:19, Trolleybus wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 08:37:28 +0100, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com>
    wrote:

    It was a Cambridgeshire Police vehicle on an undercover operation so
    presumably unmarked car.

    Appears to have been three unmarked cars chasing a car with four
    burglars.

    The report says the signalman changed the signals back to danger and
    opened the gates.

    In which case the signaller shouldn't have set the signal to red with a train approaching it on the grounds that the train would probably SPAD
    if it was too close. And having set the signal to danger he should have waited until the train was proved to be stationary before opening the gates/barriers.

    Then Mr Plod would probably have arrested him, though hopefully the
    relevant union would help the signalman to sue Mr Plod for every penny.
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  • From Ulf Kutzner@user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid to uk.railway on Wed Aug 20 06:58:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway


    Certes <Certes@example.org> posted:

    On 19/08/2025 20:47, NY wrote:
    On 19/08/2025 08:24, JMB99 wrote:
    On 19/08/2025 07:19, Trolleybus wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 08:37:28 +0100, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com>
    wrote:

    It was a Cambridgeshire Police vehicle on an undercover operation so
    presumably unmarked car.

    Appears to have been three unmarked cars chasing a car with four
    burglars.

    The report says the signalman changed the signals back to danger and
    opened the gates.

    In which case the signaller shouldn't have set the signal to red with a train approaching it on the grounds that the train would probably SPAD
    if it was too close. And having set the signal to danger he should have waited until the train was proved to be stationary before opening the gates/barriers.

    Then Mr Plod would probably have arrested him

    Or worse?
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