• Flood of Propaganda

    From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jul 28 11:49:36 2025
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    A propos some of the posts in here there is an absolute flood of posts on Facebook today from various bodies that seem to be linked with Israel
    pointing out how the kindly Israelis are doing everything they can to feed
    the Gazans.

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being systematically starved to death.

    I watched a BBC series once about how the Russians ran bots to post to
    social media putting over their version of the truth and trying to
    undermine anything different. Is this flood likely to be a result of
    action by some sort of agents of the Israeli government?
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    The only thing Flat Earthers fear is sphere itself.
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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jul 28 13:55:18 2025
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    On 28/07/2025 12:49 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    A propos some of the posts in here there is an absolute flood of posts
    on Facebook today from various bodies that seem to be linked with Israel pointing out how the kindly Israelis are doing everything they can to
    feed the Gazans.

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being systematically starved to death.

    I watched a BBC series once about how the Russians ran bots to post to
    social media putting over their version of the truth and trying to
    undermine anything different. Is this flood likely to be a result of
    action by some sort of agents of the Israeli government?

    If you say so.


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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jul 28 12:59:53 2025
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    On 28/07/2025 in message <mepa9mF1o2sU2@mid.individual.net> JNugent wrote:

    On 28/07/2025 12:49 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    A propos some of the posts in here there is an absolute flood of posts
    on Facebook today from various bodies that seem to be linked with Israel >>pointing out how the kindly Israelis are doing everything they can to
    feed the Gazans.

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being systematically >>starved to death.

    I watched a BBC series once about how the Russians ran bots to post to >>social media putting over their version of the truth and trying to >>undermine anything different. Is this flood likely to be a result of
    action by some sort of agents of the Israeli government?

    If you say so.

    Grow up sonny Jim.

    I didn't "say so" I asked a question.
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Most people have heard of Karl Marx the philosopher but few know of his
    sister Onya the Olympic runner.
    Her name is still mentioned at the start of every race.
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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jul 28 14:18:00 2025
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    On 28/07/2025 01:59 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 28/07/2025 in message <mepa9mF1o2sU2@mid.individual.net> JNugent wrote:

    On 28/07/2025 12:49 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    A propos some of the posts in here there is an absolute flood of posts
    on Facebook today from various bodies that seem to be linked with Israel >>> pointing out how the kindly Israelis are doing everything they can to
    feed the Gazans.

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being systematically >>> starved to death.

    I watched a BBC series once about how the Russians ran bots to post to
    social media putting over their version of the truth and trying to
    undermine anything different. Is this flood likely to be a result of
    action by some sort of agents of the Israeli government?

    If you say so.

    Grow up sonny Jim.

    I didn't "say so" I asked a question...

    ...rhetorically.

    Most of us can tell the difference.
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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jul 28 13:27:04 2025
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    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    A propos some of the posts in here there is an absolute flood of posts on Facebook today from various bodies that seem to be linked with Israel pointing out how the kindly Israelis are doing everything they can to feed the Gazans.

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being systematically starved to death.

    I watched a BBC series once about how the Russians ran bots to post to social media putting over their version of the truth and trying to
    undermine anything different. Is this flood likely to be a result of
    action by some sort of agents of the Israeli government?

    Yesterday, during one of its programmes on starving Palestinians, the BBC
    aired an interview with a Palestinian father whose young daughter had died,
    it was said, from starvation.

    Unfortunately, if one listened closely, there was mention of the child
    having contracted sepsis, which had closed her throat such that she could neither eat nor drink.

    Yes, as you say, itrCOs all BBC Verified and therefore trustworthy.
    --
    Spike

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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jul 28 14:00:22 2025
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    On 28/07/2025 in message <mepc58F235oU1@mid.individual.net> Spike wrote:

    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    A propos some of the posts in here there is an absolute flood of posts on >>Facebook today from various bodies that seem to be linked with Israel >>pointing out how the kindly Israelis are doing everything they can to feed >>the Gazans.

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being systematically >>starved to death.

    I watched a BBC series once about how the Russians ran bots to post to >>social media putting over their version of the truth and trying to >>undermine anything different. Is this flood likely to be a result of
    action by some sort of agents of the Israeli government?

    Yesterday, during one of its programmes on starving Palestinians, the BBC >aired an interview with a Palestinian father whose young daughter had died, >it was said, from starvation.

    Unfortunately, if one listened closely, there was mention of the child
    having contracted sepsis, which had closed her throat such that she could >neither eat nor drink.

    Yes, as you say, itrCOs all BBC Verified and therefore trustworthy.

    Please point me to a link where I have said "BBC Verified and therefore trustworthy."

    I would like to know if governments departments do engage in this sort of behaviour, I suspect they do but am interested if anybody knows (and can mention) anything.
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists
    or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies.
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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jul 28 15:05:19 2025
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    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 28/07/2025 in message <mepc58F235oU1@mid.individual.net> Spike wrote:

    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    A propos some of the posts in here there is an absolute flood of posts on >>> Facebook today from various bodies that seem to be linked with Israel
    pointing out how the kindly Israelis are doing everything they can to feed >>> the Gazans.

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being systematically >>> starved to death.

    I watched a BBC series once about how the Russians ran bots to post to
    social media putting over their version of the truth and trying to
    undermine anything different. Is this flood likely to be a result of
    action by some sort of agents of the Israeli government?

    Yesterday, during one of its programmes on starving Palestinians, the BBC
    aired an interview with a Palestinian father whose young daughter had died, >> it was said, from starvation.

    Unfortunately, if one listened closely, there was mention of the child
    having contracted sepsis, which had closed her throat such that she could
    neither eat nor drink.

    Yes, as you say, itrCOs all BBC Verified and therefore trustworthy.

    Please point me to a link where I have said "BBC Verified and therefore trustworthy."

    In a different thread, you said this:

    QUOTE: If you want to participate in a discussion about current events you need to keep yourself up to date to at least some extent.

    BBC News is a good start, in their "BBC Verified" slots they explain how
    they get the information and how they check it. The UN has people on the ground, America has contractors there who have confirmed seeing the IDF shooting Gazans who are trying to collect food.

    As I said before rather than ask smart arse questions I suggest you watch
    the news and look at some news websites so you can understand the variety
    of sources of information.

    To the people trying to discredit the BBC and UN - grow up, Israel is deliberately killing Palestinian civilians and all the shits in the world, including our government, are standing by and letting it happen. Don't be
    one of them. UNQUOTE

    So you talk about keeping up with the news, mentioning BBC News and BBC
    Verify. You then go on to mention all the shits in the world that you say
    are standing by and letting killings happen. Presumably you have enough
    trust, as you have chosen to name the organisation, in the BBC and BBC
    Verify to form such a strong opinion.

    OK, you didnrCOt mention rCytrustworthyrCO news as such, but give every impression of swallowing what they say, which implies a high level of
    trust.

    No doubt Hamas is grateful for not being included in the reports of
    killings.

    I would like to know if governments departments do engage in this sort of behaviour, I suspect they do but am interested if anybody knows (and can mention) anything.

    Your evasion of the BBC item about the child that died through having contracted sepsis being ascribed to starvation is noted.
    --
    Spike

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  • From GB@NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jul 28 16:05:20 2025
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    On 28/07/2025 15:00, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 28/07/2025 in message <mepc58F235oU1@mid.individual.net> Spike wrote:

    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    A propos some of the posts in here there is an absolute flood of
    posts on
    Facebook today from various bodies that seem to be linked with Israel
    pointing out how the kindly Israelis are doing everything they can to
    feed
    the Gazans.

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being systematically >>> starved to death.

    I watched a BBC series once about how the Russians ran bots to post to
    social media putting over their version of the truth and trying to
    undermine anything different. Is this flood likely to be a result of
    action by some sort of agents of the Israeli government?

    Yesterday, during one of its programmes on starving Palestinians, the BBC
    aired an interview with a Palestinian father whose young daughter had
    died,
    it was said, from starvation.

    Unfortunately, if one listened closely, there was mention of the child
    having contracted sepsis, which had closed her throat such that she could
    neither eat nor drink.

    Yes, as you say, itrCOs all BBC Verified and therefore trustworthy.

    Please point me to a link where I have said "BBC Verified and therefore trustworthy."

    I would like to know if governments departments do engage in this sort
    of behaviour, I suspect they do but am interested if anybody knows (and
    can mention) anything.


    If, for once, there's some good news for the Israelis, of course they
    and their supporters are broadcasting it. You perhaps ought to be
    encouraging them in this respect, rather than picking holes in it.


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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jul 28 16:05:50 2025
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    On 28/07/2025 in message <10683jg$3hlep$1@dont-email.me> GB wrote:

    I would like to know if governments departments do engage in this sort of >>behaviour, I suspect they do but am interested if anybody knows (and can >>mention) anything.


    If, for once, there's some good news for the Israelis, of course they and >their supporters are broadcasting it. You perhaps ought to be encouraging >them in this respect, rather than picking holes in it.

    There's no good news it's all pure propaganda from a variety of people
    denying there are any problems in Gaza.
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    The only thing Flat Earthers fear is sphere itself.
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jul 28 16:07:49 2025
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    On 28/07/2025 in message <10683jg$3hlep$1@dont-email.me> GB wrote:

    I would like to know if governments departments do engage in this sort of >>behaviour, I suspect they do but am interested if anybody knows (and can >>mention) anything.


    If, for once, there's some good news for the Israelis, of course they and >their supporters are broadcasting it. You perhaps ought to be encouraging >them in this respect, rather than picking holes in it.

    Trump is on TV now talking about starving children and saying "you can't
    fake that", it's on the BBC though so perhaps it is faked.
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    The only thing Flat Earthers fear is sphere itself.
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  • From Brian Morrison@news@fenrir.org.uk to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jul 29 10:12:13 2025
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    On 28 Jul 2025 11:49:36 GMT
    "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being
    systematically starved to death.

    If that were the case, why would Israel provide any food and supplies
    at all?

    If genocide is the intent, how come there are any people alive in Gaza?
    The Israelis have the capability to kill everyone there, but so far
    they have not.

    Plenty of other questions to be asked, but to be honest it won't matter
    what the answers are here as many posters seem to have decided the
    answers already.
    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"

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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jul 29 09:25:28 2025
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    On 29 Jul 2025 at 10:12:13 BST, "Brian Morrison" <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On 28 Jul 2025 11:49:36 GMT
    "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being
    systematically starved to death.

    If that were the case, why would Israel provide any food and supplies
    at all?

    If genocide is the intent, how come there are any people alive in Gaza?
    The Israelis have the capability to kill everyone there, but so far

    Killing two million people is actually harder than one might think.
    Especially if one wants to tell the world that one is simultaneously behaving in a civilised way.



    they have not.

    Plenty of other questions to be asked, but to be honest it won't matter
    what the answers are here as many posters seem to have decided the
    answers already.
    --
    Roger Hayter
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  • From Brian Morrison@news@fenrir.org.uk to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jul 29 11:02:13 2025
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    On 29 Jul 2025 09:25:28 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    If genocide is the intent, how come there are any people alive in
    Gaza? The Israelis have the capability to kill everyone there, but
    so far

    Killing two million people is actually harder than one might think. Especially if one wants to tell the world that one is simultaneously
    behaving in a civilised way.

    I know some Israelis who are not at all happy about what is happening
    in Gaza, they are trying to put pressure on their own government to
    affect the course of events. To me they seem very civilised, the
    problem I think is that the very Orthodox support for the small parties
    that keep the Israeli government in power are not receptive to such
    pressure.

    Once again religion trumps realpolitik.
    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"

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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jul 29 10:04:16 2025
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    On 29/07/2025 in message <20250729101213.333270be@deangelis.fenrir.org.uk> Brian Morrison wrote:

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being
    systematically starved to death.

    If that were the case, why would Israel provide any food and supplies
    at all?

    Perhaps ask their marketing manager :-)
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    The true meaning of life is to plant trees under whose shade you do not
    expect to sit.
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  • From GB@NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jul 29 15:04:57 2025
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    On 28/07/2025 17:05, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 28/07/2025 in message <10683jg$3hlep$1@dont-email.me> GB wrote:

    I would like to know if governments departments do engage in this
    sort-a of behaviour, I suspect they do but am interested if anybody
    knows (and-a can mention) anything.


    If, for once, there's some good news for the Israelis, of course they
    and their supporters are broadcasting it. You perhaps ought to be
    encouraging them in this respect, rather than picking holes in it.

    There's no good news it's all pure propaganda from a variety of people denying there are any problems in Gaza.


    They are talking about a temporary ceasefire, to allow aid through, so
    that sounds positive to me.

    Really, the Israelis are as locked into this quagmire as anyone. They
    have lost 960 soldiers/police whilst trying to rescue only 250 hostages. That's a small number compared to the palestinians, but it's a lot to
    lose from a citizen's army.

    The more people who get killed, bizarrely the harder it is to
    compromise, as it's considered an insult to those who were killed.


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  • From The Todal@the_todal@icloud.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Wed Jul 30 12:39:03 2025
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    On 29/07/2025 11:02, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On 29 Jul 2025 09:25:28 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    If genocide is the intent, how come there are any people alive in
    Gaza? The Israelis have the capability to kill everyone there, but
    so far

    Killing two million people is actually harder than one might think.
    Especially if one wants to tell the world that one is simultaneously
    behaving in a civilised way.

    I know some Israelis who are not at all happy about what is happening
    in Gaza, they are trying to put pressure on their own government to
    affect the course of events. To me they seem very civilised, the
    problem I think is that the very Orthodox support for the small parties
    that keep the Israeli government in power are not receptive to such
    pressure.

    Once again religion trumps realpolitik.


    I recommend this, as a valuable contribution to the debate.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5kXCdzt_us&t=188s
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  • From Pamela@pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Wed Jul 30 15:17:01 2025
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    On 12:49 28 Jul 2025, Jeff Gaines said:

    A propos some of the posts in here there is an absolute flood of
    posts on Facebook today from various bodies that seem to be linked
    with Israel pointing out how the kindly Israelis are doing everything
    they can to feed the Gazans.

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being
    systematically starved to death.

    I watched a BBC series once about how the Russians ran bots to post
    to social media putting over their version of the truth and trying to undermine anything different. Is this flood likely to be a result of
    action by some sort of agents of the Israeli government?

    Rather than Facebook, maybe it's better to use one of the more neutral
    sites identified by a media bias assessment organisation, such as
    AllSides or Ad Fontes.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Wed Jul 30 14:44:00 2025
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    On 30/07/2025 in message <XnsB32C9B799C7641F3QA2@157.180.91.226> Pamela
    wrote:

    On 12:49 28 Jul 2025, Jeff Gaines said:

    A propos some of the posts in here there is an absolute flood of
    posts on Facebook today from various bodies that seem to be linked
    with Israel pointing out how the kindly Israelis are doing everything
    they can to feed the Gazans.

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being
    systematically starved to death.

    I watched a BBC series once about how the Russians ran bots to post
    to social media putting over their version of the truth and trying to >>undermine anything different. Is this flood likely to be a result of
    action by some sort of agents of the Israeli government?

    Rather than Facebook, maybe it's better to use one of the more neutral
    sites identified by a media bias assessment organisation, such as
    AllSides or Ad Fontes.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart >https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive

    I wasn't looking for anything relating to Israel, I am happy with talking
    dogs and cats :-)

    It was just noticeable that there was a flood of posts relating to how
    much Israel was doing to help Gazans, it followed the sun as well, started with the Jerusalem Post then various antisemitism groups in America and finally the Aussies got in on it.

    It was the orchestration that interested me, definitely looked carefully organised.
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    If it's not broken, mess around with it until it is
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  • From kat@littlelionne@hotmail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Thu Jul 31 12:41:01 2025
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    On 30/07/2025 15:44, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 30/07/2025 in message <XnsB32C9B799C7641F3QA2@157.180.91.226> Pamela wrote:

    On 12:49-a 28 Jul 2025, Jeff Gaines said:

    A propos some of the posts in here there is an absolute flood of
    posts on Facebook today from various bodies that seem to be linked
    with Israel pointing out how the kindly Israelis are doing everything
    they can to feed the Gazans.

    Obviously to counter the world view that Gazans are being
    systematically starved to death.

    I watched a BBC series once about how the Russians ran bots to post
    to social media putting over their version of the truth and trying to
    undermine anything different. Is this flood likely to be a result of
    action by some sort of agents of the Israeli government?

    Rather than Facebook, maybe it's better to use one of the more neutral
    sites identified by a media bias assessment organisation, such as
    AllSides or Ad Fontes.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive

    I wasn't looking for anything relating to Israel, I am happy with talking dogs
    and cats :-)

    It was just noticeable that there was a flood of posts relating to how much Israel was doing to help Gazans, it followed the sun as well, started with the
    Jerusalem Post then various antisemitism groups in America and finally the Aussies got in on it.

    It was the orchestration that interested me, definitely looked carefully organised.


    I am happy to report that none of it made it to my facebook feed!
    --
    kat
    >^..^<
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