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We are a great fans of motor sport, other than F1 these days.

I have Virgin series links for World Rally, Formula E, British Touring
Cars, World Rally Cross etc.

Fired up the Friday recording of WRC on BT Sport and it certainly wasn't
motor sport.

I fast forwarded to the end and despite adding 30 minutes to the
recording only just caught the beginning.

I quickly went to the link settings and extended the recording by an
extra hour so managed to see Friday's stages.

I seem to remember my 30 year old VHS video recorder receiving a signal
from the TV transmission to wait to start a recording if the programme
started late.

I might have dreamed it but it's amazing how with such fantastic modern technology this is not an option.

OK we have catch up and repeats but they aren't always available.

Mike
--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
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"Mike Swift" <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote in message news:BQ$ebJAKqu5jFwet@ntlworld.com...

We are a great fans of motor sport, other than F1 these days.

I have Virgin series links for World Rally, Formula E, British Touring
Cars, World Rally Cross etc.

Fired up the Friday recording of WRC on BT Sport and it certainly wasn't motor sport.

I fast forwarded to the end and despite adding 30 minutes to the recording only just caught the beginning.

I quickly went to the link settings and extended the recording by an extra hour so managed to see Friday's stages.

I seem to remember my 30 year old VHS video recorder receiving a signal
from the TV transmission to wait to start a recording if the programme started late.

I might have dreamed it but it's amazing how with such fantastic modern technology this is not an option.

OK we have catch up and repeats but they aren't always available.

An "accurate record" signal is available, but in my experience it rarely works: either the recording fails to start or else it cuts off before the
end. I prefer the manual method: I programme my PVR to add 5 minutes padding to the beginning and 10 mins to the end, to be added automatically to the times in the EPG.

During the days leading up to the Queen's funeral, I changed this to about
30 minutes post-padding because the revised, Queen-related programmes rarely ran to time: I imagine the live programmes overran and delayed/cancelled the recorded tribute programmes that I had set to record. I missed a lot of them because the timing changed after the EPG was last updated on my PVR around 0200 each day. I didn't mind that normal programmes were postponed a few weeks, but I was frustrated that they couldn't even stick more closely to their revised schedule. This is on days when there were no ceremonies,
though I bet the timing of those had been rehearsed a lot and so those were probably the least likely to overrun.

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In article <tscvtn$23vhe$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid>
writes

An "accurate record" signal is available, but in my experience it rarely >works: either the recording fails to start or else it cuts off before the end. I
prefer the manual method: I programme my PVR to add 5 minutes padding
to the beginning and 10 mins to the end, to be added automatically to the >times in the EPG.

I normally add 1 before and 4 after but have started putting an hour at
the end as the EPG's are so unreliable for the motor sports.

I'm lucky that on the very rare occasions there are multiple recordings
my V6 can manage 6 at once.

Mike
--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
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Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

I seem to remember my 30 year old VHS video recorder receiving a
signal from the TV transmission to wait to start a recording if
the programme started late.

Yes, bring back analogue TV with PDC and real teletext!

Another advantage of the old days is you only had to retune your
TV and PVR once a decade instead of every f****g month as Freeview
channels chop and change with gay abandon.


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On 11/02/2023 01:08, Mike Swift wrote:

We are a great fans of motor sport, other than F1 these days.

I have Virgin series links for World Rally, Formula E, British Touring Cars,-a World Rally Cross etc.

Fired up the Friday recording of WRC on BT Sport and it certainly wasn't motor sport.

I fast forwarded to the end and despite adding 30 minutes to the
recording only just caught the beginning.

I quickly went to the link settings and extended the recording by an
extra hour so managed to see Friday's stages.

I seem to remember my 30 year old VHS video recorder receiving a signal
from the TV transmission to wait to start a recording if the programme started late.

I might have dreamed it but it's amazing how with such fantastic modern technology this is not an option.

It is supposed to exist on Freeview, usually called "accurate
recording". (I don't know about satellite or cable.)

Mostly it works, but sometimes broadcasters can't be arsed (like BBC
radio). I suspect that the sort of people who control it regard such
things as beneath them.

OK we have catch up and repeats but they aren't always available.

And it's hard to avoid adverts with commercial channels.
--
Max Demian

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On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:25:12 +0000, Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

In article <tscvtn$23vhe$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid>
writes

An "accurate record" signal is available, but in my experience it rarely >>works: either the recording fails to start or else it cuts off before the end. I
prefer the manual method: I programme my PVR to add 5 minutes padding
to the beginning and 10 mins to the end, to be added automatically to the >>times in the EPG.

I normally add 1 before and 4 after but have started putting an hour at
the end as the EPG's are so unreliable for the motor sports.

I'm lucky that on the very rare occasions there are multiple recordings
my V6 can manage 6 at once.

Most of the time Humax Freesat copes without a problem.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland



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On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 02:59:44 -0000 (UTC), Gordon Freeman <Gordon@freeman.invalid> wrote:

Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

I seem to remember my 30 year old VHS video recorder receiving a
signal from the TV transmission to wait to start a recording if
the programme started late.

Yes, bring back analogue TV with PDC and real teletext!

Another advantage of the old days is you only had to retune your
TV and PVR once a decade instead of every f****g month as Freeview
channels chop and change with gay abandon.

I've never had to retune Freesat. Only time I have changed the set up was to change the local news source and to try different settings for fast forward and back step time.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland



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"Mike Swift" <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote in message news:64EQhLAoRm6jFwiI@ntlworld.com...

In article <tscvtn$23vhe$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid> writes

An "accurate record" signal is available, but in my experience it rarely >>works: either the recording fails to start or else it cuts off before the >>end. I
prefer the manual method: I programme my PVR to add 5 minutes padding
to the beginning and 10 mins to the end, to be added automatically to the >>times in the EPG.

I normally add 1 before and 4 after but have started putting an hour at
the end as the EPG's are so unreliable for the motor sports.

I'm lucky that on the very rare occasions there are multiple recordings my V6 can manage 6 at once.

Yes, the ability to make multiple recordings from several multiplexes is
very useful. It's rare to use it, but when there do happen to be several overlapping programmes, it's invaluable. YOu can do a lot with one sat tuner and two terrestrial tuners (in the form of a single dual-tuner USB device).

It's a shame that my setup only has one satellite tuner which means that almost invariably I can only record one programme from satellite, because
it's rare to find two channels that you want to record from which happen to
be on the same mux. With terrestrial, all the SD BBC channels are on one
mux, and ITV/CH4/CH5/ITV3 are all on another mux, so there's a greater
chance of overlaps on the same mux.

Unfortunately when I was buying my satellite tuner about 4 years ago, the
only one available on Amazon was the PCTV 491e and that came in two
different firmware levels. It was luck of the draw which you received. I ordered two, found that one was older firmware which was supported on the Raspberry Pi (so I kept that one) and the other was newer firmware which was not (so I returned that one). But if I had more than one sat tuner, I'd need
a new downlead and an extra LNB...

Apart from the other day when the tropospheric "lift" meant that Crystal Palace was interfering with Belmont, causing all six muxes to be unusable, I can rely on terrestrial for overlaps. It's amazing how far distant transmitters can be received (I live in East Yorkshire) when there's lift. I gather people in Poland were receiving UK DAB signals... I was rather hoping that at least *one* of CP's muxes was going to be on a different frequency
to Belmont's, so I could see whether the CP signal was actually usable;
sadly all 6 of CPs are the same as all 6 of Belmont's. I did once get very usable muxes from Belmont when we lived near Leyburn, using an aerial
pointing at Bilsdale, so the Belmont signal was at about 60 degrees to the aerial's axis of greatest gain.

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"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message news:at3nuhti63kjg5u1hb16n27vuj1q4fev8u@4ax.com...

On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 02:59:44 -0000 (UTC), Gordon Freeman <Gordon@freeman.invalid> wrote:

Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

I seem to remember my 30 year old VHS video recorder receiving a
signal from the TV transmission to wait to start a recording if
the programme started late.

Yes, bring back analogue TV with PDC and real teletext!

Another advantage of the old days is you only had to retune your
TV and PVR once a decade instead of every f****g month as Freeview
channels chop and change with gay abandon.

I've never had to retune Freesat. Only time I have changed the set up was
to
change the local news source and to try different settings for fast
forward and
back step time.

Probably a real Freesat (or Sky) box handles all the retuning invisibly.
With a "roll your own" setup like mine (USB tuners, TVHeadend, Raspberry Pi) the allocation of "services" to "channels" (to use the TVH terminalogy) is a manual process: if the contents of a mux change (as they are doing with all the BBC work at the moment) you get updated services, but the allocation of those services to a "channel" isn't updated automatically. I have a series
of "channels" in TVHeadend, each of which gives the satellite and
terrestrial versions of a given TV channel (with satellite given a higher priority than terrestrial) so I can say "record BBC1 between these times"
and it will use the satellite version if possible, but if that's already in use the terrestrial version is used instead. With all the BBC "musical
chairs" I've had to keep a watch on which muxes are changing, and update the "channel" definitions so they use the new satellite copy of (for example)
BBC One or Radio 4 instead of the old, now-dead version. Sadly TVHeadend
isn't (AFAIK) intelligent enough to say "if the satellite service is not broadcasting, use the terrestrial one"; if a tuner is available (ie not allocated to another recording) TVH assumes that the services on it will all be working.

But having to do things manually is the price I pay for absolute control: I can easily record a local news programme from any region (not just my own)
if there's been a news story which is likely to be covered in more detail by the regional news than by the national news.

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