• Dobbie

    From Chris@chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com to uk.media.radio.archers on Wed Oct 8 18:17:51 2025
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    Her best friend will be on Front Row tonight at 19.15

    Mrs McT

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  • From nick@noreply@pugleaf.invalid to uk.media.radio.archers on Fri Oct 10 11:14:22 2025
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    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:17:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:


    Her best friend will be on Front Row tonight at 19.15

    I heard the interview live at the time and meant to say say something afterwards but forgot! I couldn't help thinking that she was so distracted: it was like she was in the studio but not really there.

    Odd title, Riot Women. I wonder if the beeb had a say in chosing the title? The storyline seems much like Rock Follies (but that was Thames Television so they couldn't call it that) and not unlike the Womans Hour continuing serial Queens of Noise. Then there were the series of radio plays Riot Girls, which spun off from ashort series about the Russian band Pussy Riot.

    ....and last night at 3am on the World Service, when I ought to have been asleep but wasn't, Outlook was devoted to a real-life all-girl[1] 1970s punk band called "The Raincoats." Perhaps the original inspiration?

    Nick
    [1]Okay sometimes they had male members (fnarr, fnarr) but then they weren't only 70s as the band is still playing in one form or another today
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  • From Nick Odell@nickodell49@yahoo.ca to uk.media.radio.archers on Fri Oct 10 12:42:21 2025
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    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 11:14:22 +0000, nick <noreply@pugleaf.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:17:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:


    Her best friend will be on Front Row tonight at 19.15

    I heard the interview live at the time and meant to say say something afterwards but forgot! I couldn't help thinking that she was so distracted: it was like she was in the studio but not really there.

    Odd title, Riot Women. I wonder if the beeb had a say in chosing the title? The storyline seems much like Rock Follies (but that was Thames Television so they couldn't call it that) and not unlike the Womans Hour continuing serial Queens of Noise. Then there were the series of radio plays Riot Girls, which spun off from ashort series about the Russian band Pussy Riot.

    ....and last night at 3am on the World Service, when I ought to have been asleep but wasn't, Outlook was devoted to a real-life all-girl[1] 1970s punk band called "The Raincoats." Perhaps the original inspiration?

    Nick
    [1]Okay sometimes they had male members (fnarr, fnarr) but then they weren't only 70s as the band is still playing in one form or another today

    Oh, and AFAICT Sally Wainwright, the writer of the new series, has no connection with any of the earlier iterations.

    Nick
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  • From BrritSki@rtilbury@gmail.com to uk.media.radio.archers on Fri Oct 10 12:46:10 2025
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    On 10/10/2025 12:14, nick wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:17:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:


    Her best friend will be on Front Row tonight at 19.15

    I heard the interview live at the time and meant to say say something afterwards but forgot! I couldn't help thinking that she was so distracted: it was like she was in the studio but not really there.

    Odd title, Riot Women. I wonder if the beeb had a say in chosing the title? The storyline seems much like Rock Follies (but that was Thames Television so they couldn't call it that) and not unlike the Womans Hour continuing serial Queens of Noise. Then there were the series of radio plays Riot Girls, which spun off from ashort series about the Russian band Pussy Riot.

    ....and last night at 3am on the World Service, when I ought to have been asleep but wasn't, Outlook was devoted to a real-life all-girl[1] 1970s punk band called "The Raincoats." Perhaps the original inspiration?

    Nick
    [1]Okay sometimes they had male members (fnarr, fnarr)

    Dobbie transitioned ? Who knew !!!

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  • From Kosmo@krw@whitnet.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Fri Oct 10 12:49:17 2025
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    On 10.10.25 12:42, Nick Odell wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 11:14:22 +0000, nick <noreply@pugleaf.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:17:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:


    Her best friend will be on Front Row tonight at 19.15

    I heard the interview live at the time and meant to say say something afterwards but forgot! I couldn't help thinking that she was so distracted: it was like she was in the studio but not really there.

    Odd title, Riot Women. I wonder if the beeb had a say in chosing the title? The storyline seems much like Rock Follies (but that was Thames Television so they couldn't call it that) and not unlike the Womans Hour continuing serial Queens of Noise. Then there were the series of radio plays Riot Girls, which spun off from ashort series about the Russian band Pussy Riot.

    ....and last night at 3am on the World Service, when I ought to have been asleep but wasn't, Outlook was devoted to a real-life all-girl[1] 1970s punk band called "The Raincoats." Perhaps the original inspiration?

    Nick
    [1]Okay sometimes they had male members (fnarr, fnarr) but then they weren't only 70s as the band is still playing in one form or another today

    Oh, and AFAICT Sally Wainwright, the writer of the new series, has no connection with any of the earlier iterations.

    Nick

    However Ms Wainwright did at one time pen some episodes of a well known
    radio soap you might have heard.
    --
    Kosmo Richard W
    www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
    https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
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  • From Nick Odell@nickodell49@yahoo.ca to uk.media.radio.archers on Fri Oct 10 16:39:54 2025
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    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:49:17 +0100, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

    On 10.10.25 12:42, Nick Odell wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 11:14:22 +0000, nick <noreply@pugleaf.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:17:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:


    Her best friend will be on Front Row tonight at 19.15

    I heard the interview live at the time and meant to say say something afterwards but forgot! I couldn't help thinking that she was so distracted: it was like she was in the studio but not really there.

    Odd title, Riot Women. I wonder if the beeb had a say in chosing the title? The storyline seems much like Rock Follies (but that was Thames Television so they couldn't call it that) and not unlike the Womans Hour continuing serial Queens of Noise. Then there were the series of radio plays Riot Girls, which spun off from ashort series about the Russian band Pussy Riot.

    ....and last night at 3am on the World Service, when I ought to have been asleep but wasn't, Outlook was devoted to a real-life all-girl[1] 1970s punk band called "The Raincoats." Perhaps the original inspiration?

    Nick
    [1]Okay sometimes they had male members (fnarr, fnarr) but then they weren't only 70s as the band is still playing in one form or another today

    Oh, and AFAICT Sally Wainwright, the writer of the new series, has no
    connection with any of the earlier iterations.

    Nick

    However Ms Wainwright did at one time pen some episodes of a well known >radio soap you might have heard.

    So I understand. I didn't really notice her at the time, which I
    suppose is a no-news-is-good-news sort of thing since we spend an
    awful lot of time moaning about some production staff whilst spending
    far too little time praising the others.

    Nick
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  • From Kosmo@krw@whitnet.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Sat Oct 11 11:04:06 2025
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    On 10.10.25 16:39, Nick Odell wrote:
    I didn't really notice her at the time, which I
    suppose is a no-news-is-good-news sort of thing since we spend an
    awful lot of time moaning about some production staff whilst spending
    far too little time praising the others.

    Probably true. I consider most of the acting tends to deliver top
    quality on the material they are given and (I assume) the directions
    indicated by the management team. Some of them can be amazing given
    that they are merely using the voices.

    Writers that tend not be aware of character traits and change the
    approach of an individual for this week's story tend to annoy me
    immensely given the nature of the time space continuum we enjoy.

    However I struggle with some of the absurdities. Most recently Brian
    had a serious conversation with Alice over her potentially running Home
    Farm and we know she is upset by the subsequent decisions forced on
    Brian by Rugrat wanting to get into harness. I cannot believe that he
    would not have sat down with Alice and suggested that perhaps if he
    found a way of working with her to buy the Stables she would have a
    better future than the strains and stresses of Home Farm and contracts.

    By the way why has no-one pointed out that with Justin not getting his
    way the BL contract has been saved for Home Farm and the "existential
    crisis" identified by Kate has been locked up in the stable again?
    Another example of not closing things down.

    Dobbie would see to it.
    --
    Kosmo Richard W
    www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
    https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
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  • From carolet@carolet.umrat@gmail.com to uk.media.radio.archers on Sun Oct 12 00:53:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.media.radio.archers

    On 10/10/2025 12:14, nick wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:17:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:


    Her best friend will be on Front Row tonight at 19.15

    I heard the interview live at the time and meant to say say something afterwards but forgot! I couldn't help thinking that she was so distracted: it was like she was in the studio but not really there.

    Odd title, Riot Women. I wonder if the beeb had a say in chosing the title? The storyline seems much like Rock Follies (but that was Thames Television so they couldn't call it that) and not unlike the Womans Hour continuing serial Queens of Noise. Then there were the series of radio plays Riot Girls, which spun off from ashort series about the Russian band Pussy Riot.

    ....and last night at 3am on the World Service, when I ought to have been asleep but wasn't, Outlook was devoted to a real-life all-girl[1] 1970s punk band called "The Raincoats." Perhaps the original inspiration?

    Nick
    [1]Okay sometimes they had male members (fnarr, fnarr) but then they weren't only 70s as the band is still playing in one form or another today




    There is an article about Riot Girls in this weeks RT. The above
    prompted me to go back to it, in order to extract the following paragraph:

    The idea for Riot Women had been on Wainwright's mind for a long time.
    As a teenager, she decided to become a writer after being dazzled by
    Howard Schuman's radical mid-70s musical drama Rock Follies, about a
    fearless rock band led by Rula Lenska, Julie Covington and Charlotte
    Cornwell (they drank, they swore, they had armpit hair, it was great TV).
    --
    CaroleT

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Sun Oct 12 07:10:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.media.radio.archers

    On 2025/10/12 0:53:8, carolet wrote:
    []
    There is an article about Riot Girls in this weeks RT. The above
    prompted me to go back to it, in order to extract the following paragraph:

    The idea for Riot Women had been on Wainwright's mind for a long time. > As a teenager, she decided to become a writer after being dazzled by
    Howard Schuman's radical mid-70s musical drama Rock Follies, about a fearless rock band led by Rula Lenska, Julie Covington and Charlotte Cornwell (they drank, they swore, they had armpit hair, it was great TV).



    I remember enjoying that series! The group was IIRR called (with ironic
    intent) the Little Ladies, and even released a single - "OK" - which I
    bought and still have. I think it was not long after Evita (the album,
    when albums were still a significant thing, not the stage musical or
    film), and the only other significant thing Julie Covington did AFAICR.
    (I think she just didn't particularly like the limelight.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From Chris J Dixon@chris@cdixon.me.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Sun Oct 12 10:05:07 2025
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    J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/10/12 0:53:8, carolet wrote:

    The idea for Riot Women had been on Wainwright's mind for a long time.
    As a teenager, she decided to become a writer after being dazzled by
    Howard Schuman's radical mid-70s musical drama Rock Follies, about a
    fearless rock band led by Rula Lenska, Julie Covington and Charlotte
    Cornwell (they drank, they swore, they had armpit hair, it was great TV).

    I remember enjoying that series! The group was IIRR called (with ironic >intent) the Little Ladies, and even released a single - "OK" - which I
    bought and still have. I think it was not long after Evita (the album,
    when albums were still a significant thing, not the stage musical or
    film), and the only other significant thing Julie Covington did AFAICR.
    (I think she just didn't particularly like the limelight.)

    I have the LP from the show.

    Chris
    --
    Chris J Dixon Nottingham
    '48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
    chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
    Plant amazing Acers.
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  • From Chris@chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com to uk.media.radio.archers on Wed Oct 15 19:05:53 2025
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    Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
    On 10.10.25 16:39, Nick Odell wrote:
    I didn't really notice her at the time, which I
    suppose is a no-news-is-good-news sort of thing since we spend an
    awful lot of time moaning about some production staff whilst spending
    far too little time praising the others.

    Probably true. I consider most of the acting tends to deliver top
    quality on the material they are given and (I assume) the directions indicated by the management team. Some of them can be amazing given
    that they are merely using the voices.

    Writers that tend not be aware of character traits and change the
    approach of an individual for this week's story tend to annoy me
    immensely given the nature of the time space continuum we enjoy.

    However I struggle with some of the absurdities. Most recently Brian
    had a serious conversation with Alice over her potentially running Home
    Farm and we know she is upset by the subsequent decisions forced on
    Brian by Rugrat wanting to get into harness. I cannot believe that he
    would not have sat down with Alice and suggested that perhaps if he
    found a way of working with her to buy the Stables she would have a
    better future than the strains and stresses of Home Farm and contracts.

    By the way why has no-one pointed out that with Justin not getting his
    way the BL contract has been saved for Home Farm and the "existential crisis" identified by Kate has been locked up in the stable again?
    Another example of not closing things down.

    Dobbie would see to it.

    I seem to remember Brine saying to Aliss that he didnrCOt want to worry her
    at the moment and so he hadnrCOt. In the epi where there was the current
    bust up. OAM.

    I do remember I think her saying something to him that she could help him
    with the farm if he was finding it too much this year. After all sherCOs
    good with figures. I think this character trait has been forgotten.

    Mrs McT

    Mrs McT



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  • From Jane Vernon@jane@clothandclay.co.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Thu Oct 16 12:41:35 2025
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    On 12/10/2025 00:53, carolet wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 12:14, nick wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:17:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:


    Her best friend will be on Front Row tonight at 19.15

    I heard the interview live at the time and meant to say say something
    afterwards but forgot! I couldn't help thinking that she was so
    distracted: it was like she was in the studio but not really there.

    Odd title, Riot Women. I wonder if the beeb had a say in chosing the
    title? The storyline seems much like Rock Follies (but that was Thames
    Television so they couldn't call it that) and not unlike the Womans
    Hour continuing serial Queens of Noise. Then there were the series of
    radio plays Riot Girls, which spun off from ashort series about the
    Russian band Pussy Riot.

    ....and last night at 3am on the World Service, when I ought to have
    been asleep but wasn't, Outlook was devoted to a real-life all-girl[1]
    1970s punk band called "The Raincoats." Perhaps the original inspiration?

    Nick
    [1]Okay sometimes they had male members (fnarr, fnarr) but then they
    weren't only 70s as the band is still playing in one form or another
    today




    There is an article about Riot Girls in this weeks RT. The above
    prompted me to go back to it, in order to extract the following paragraph:

    The idea for Riot Women had been on Wainwright's mind for a long time.
    As a teenager, she decided to become a writer after being dazzled by
    Howard Schuman's radical mid-70s musical drama Rock Follies, about a fearless rock band led by Rula Lenska, Julie Covington and Charlotte Cornwell (they drank, they swore, they had armpit hair, it was great TV).




    I have just binge watched Riot Women. I found it excellent.
    --
    Jane
    The Amethyst Artist
    BTM

    http://www.clothandclay.co.uk/umra/cookbook.htm - Umrats' recipes






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  • From john ashby@johnashby20@yahoo.com to uk.media.radio.archers on Thu Oct 16 14:17:49 2025
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    On 16/10/2025 12:41, Jane Vernon wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 00:53, carolet wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 12:14, nick wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 18:17:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:


    Her best friend will be on Front Row tonight at 19.15

    I heard the interview live at the time and meant to say say something
    afterwards but forgot! I couldn't help thinking that she was so
    distracted: it was like she was in the studio but not really there.

    Odd title, Riot Women. I wonder if the beeb had a say in chosing the
    title? The storyline seems much like Rock Follies (but that was
    Thames Television so they couldn't call it that) and not unlike the
    Womans Hour continuing serial Queens of Noise. Then there were the
    series of radio plays Riot Girls, which spun off from ashort series
    about the Russian band Pussy Riot.

    ....and last night at 3am on the World Service, when I ought to have
    been asleep but wasn't, Outlook was devoted to a real-life all-
    girl[1] 1970s punk band called "The Raincoats." Perhaps the original
    inspiration?

    Nick
    [1]Okay sometimes they had male members (fnarr, fnarr) but then they
    weren't only 70s as the band is still playing in one form or another
    today




    There is an article about Riot Girls in this weeks RT. The above
    prompted me to go back to it, in order to extract the following
    paragraph:

    The idea for Riot Women had been on Wainwright's mind for a long time.
    As a teenager, she decided to become a writer after being dazzled by
    Howard Schuman's radical mid-70s musical drama Rock Follies, about a
    fearless rock band led by Rula Lenska, Julie Covington and Charlotte
    Cornwell (they drank, they swore, they had armpit hair, it was great TV).




    I have just binge watched Riot Women.-a I found it excellent.


    It's not bad and Dobbie does a great job. I have a few issues with lazy plotting and writing, the worst of which is relying on a coincidence
    that would not be out of place in a Henry Fielding novel. And then
    there's the landlady's instant understanding of what caused the punch-up.

    Last episode to go so no spoilers, please (hopefully none given above).

    john
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