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I woke up confused and disoriented in the middle of episode 5 of
Edward J Mason's Red for Danger on BBC Radio 4 Extra <https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000rnjd> and lay there for a while wondering where I was and what was going on. Mercifully, I had missed
the first half of the episode and the four which had preceded it and I
now know to avoid the denouement in episode six. I think I'll take the
risk of waking up in the middle of Outlook and tonight I'll tune in to
the BBC World Service instead.
But I did notice there was a veritable who's who of The Archers in the
cast: Ysanne Churchman, Arnold Peters, Chris Gittins, June Spencer and possibly others I didn't recognise so if you'd like to hear some
familiar actors trying out unfamiliar voices, Red For Danger might be
for you. But it's not for me.
In an effort to save electricity I've decided to combine two subjects
into one post so, my question for Encyclopedia Umratica is: who is
Jimmy Kimmel and why was he so important before the latest fuss broke
out?
I've followed the story of the outrage, the cancellation and the reinstatement and to be honest, whilst censorship and government
interference are important issues that need to be talked about, as a
result of all the fuss, I had formed the impression that every week
night, all over America, everyone sat in front of their TV sets and
watched Jimmy Kimmel.
Then I read an article in the New York Times today which claimed that
his comeback show on Tuesday had had an audience of 6.2 million
viewers. What? I asked myself. Just 6.2 million out of 340-ish
million? Strictly Come Dancing's comeback last weekend hit 6.5 million
on an island with a fraction of that population so just how
influential is Jimmy Kimmel? Then the punch line: the NYT went on to
explain that 6.2 million was about four times his regular audience. To
put that in perspective, Around the World in 80 Gardens on BBC 4 often
gets audiences that are bigger than 1.6 million so exactly how are we defining "popular" and "influential" here when it seems apparent that,
in the USA hardly anybody watches Jimmy Kimmel?
That's enough for tonight!
In reverse order, JK is a not very important late night "comedian" in a format that is beloved of US TV but is no longer so fashionable here and even when it was, aired weekly rather than nightly [1]. They have
variations on about 5 different channels all anti-MAGA and also on Fox.
One of them is hosted by John Oliver who was raised in Bedford. Went to
my son's middle school and he was very good in school productions e.g. Phantom Tollbooth. Was in Scouts and a Football team with BrratSki and I have a picture of him in our old house at a birthday party, probably 37 years ago.
</kf>
The other night we were watching Sharpe's Eagle which is almost as old,
and were pleased to see Oliver Sterling as an ineffectual Army
Commander, foreshadowing his role as an ineffectual Hotel Owner.
There was also Sean Bean looking very young and fit, Brian Cox, a
Troughton (Who ? - No) and Daniel Craig.
A lesser role played by John Tams - I knew one of his family, Hughie,
when I was up at Newcastle Uni (umra passim)
[1] Mmmm, Keira Knightly
On 26/09/2025 09:13, BrritSki wrote:
In reverse order, JK is a not very important late night "comedian" in
a format that is beloved of US TV but is no longer so fashionable here
and even when it was, aired weekly rather than nightly [1]. They have
variations on about 5 different channels all anti-MAGA and also on Fox.
One of them is hosted by John Oliver who was raised in Bedford. Went
to my son's middle school and he was very good in school productions
e.g. Phantom Tollbooth. Was in Scouts and a Football team with
BrratSki and I have a picture of him in our old house at a birthday
party, probably 37 years ago.
</kf>
The other night we were watching Sharpe's Eagle which is almost as
old, and were pleased to see Oliver Sterling as an ineffectual Army
Commander, foreshadowing his role as an ineffectual Hotel Owner.
There was also Sean Bean looking very young and fit, Brian Cox, a
Troughton (Who ? - No) and Daniel Craig.
A lesser role played by John Tams - I knew one of his family, Hughie,
when I was up at Newcastle Uni (umra passim)
[1] Mmmm, Keira Knightly
You are to be congratulated on all the many views of your splendid knickers.-a (Not a phrase I ever thought I'd say to you, Brritski!)
On 25/09/2025 22:27, Nick Odell wrote:
I woke up confused and disoriented in the middle of episode 5 ofIn reverse order, JK is a not very important late night "comedian" in a >format that is beloved of US TV but is no longer so fashionable here and >even when it was, aired weekly rather than nightly [1]. They have
Edward J Mason's Red for Danger on BBC Radio 4 Extra
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000rnjd> and lay there for a while
wondering where I was and what was going on. Mercifully, I had missed
the first half of the episode and the four which had preceded it and I
now know to avoid the denouement in episode six. I think I'll take the
risk of waking up in the middle of Outlook and tonight I'll tune in to
the BBC World Service instead.
But I did notice there was a veritable who's who of The Archers in the
cast: Ysanne Churchman, Arnold Peters, Chris Gittins, June Spencer and
possibly others I didn't recognise so if you'd like to hear some
familiar actors trying out unfamiliar voices, Red For Danger might be
for you. But it's not for me.
In an effort to save electricity I've decided to combine two subjects
into one post so, my question for Encyclopedia Umratica is: who is
Jimmy Kimmel and why was he so important before the latest fuss broke
out?
I've followed the story of the outrage, the cancellation and the
reinstatement and to be honest, whilst censorship and government
interference are important issues that need to be talked about, as a
result of all the fuss, I had formed the impression that every week
night, all over America, everyone sat in front of their TV sets and
watched Jimmy Kimmel.
Then I read an article in the New York Times today which claimed that
his comeback show on Tuesday had had an audience of 6.2 million
viewers. What? I asked myself. Just 6.2 million out of 340-ish
million? Strictly Come Dancing's comeback last weekend hit 6.5 million
on an island with a fraction of that population so just how
influential is Jimmy Kimmel? Then the punch line: the NYT went on to
explain that 6.2 million was about four times his regular audience. To
put that in perspective, Around the World in 80 Gardens on BBC 4 often
gets audiences that are bigger than 1.6 million so exactly how are we
defining "popular" and "influential" here when it seems apparent that,
in the USA hardly anybody watches Jimmy Kimmel?
That's enough for tonight!
variations on about 5 different channels all anti-MAGA and also on Fox.
One of them is hosted by John Oliver who was raised in Bedford. Went to
my son's middle school and he was very good in school productions e.g. >Phantom Tollbooth. Was in Scouts and a Football team with BrratSki and I >have a picture of him in our old house at a birthday party, probably 37 >years ago.
</kf>
The other night we were watching Sharpe's Eagle which is almost as old,
and were pleased to see Oliver Sterling as an ineffectual Army
Commander, foreshadowing his role as an ineffectual Hotel Owner.
There was also Sean Bean looking very young and fit, Brian Cox, a
Troughton (Who ? - No) and Daniel Craig.
A lesser role played by John Tams - I knew one of his family, Hughie,
when I was up at Newcastle Uni (umra passim)
[1] Mmmm, Keira Knightly
On Fri, 26 Sep 2025 09:13:01 +0100, BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com>
wrote:
I was acquainted with John Tams in his Albion Band days and would
occasionally end up in conversation in the same watering hole after a
show. But I wouldn't say I knew him. The only time we were on stage at
the same time, I was dancing with Peggy Mount. A virtual pint of
Shires if you can work that out (or unearth the previous time I told
umra about it.)
On 26/09/2025 10:16, Jane Vernon wrote:
On 26/09/2025 09:13, BrritSki wrote:Wot, no BTN for my footnote ?-a-a :)
In reverse order, JK is a not very important late night "comedian" in
a format that is beloved of US TV but is no longer so fashionable
here and even when it was, aired weekly rather than nightly [1]. They
have variations on about 5 different channels all anti-MAGA and also
on Fox.
One of them is hosted by John Oliver who was raised in Bedford. Went
to my son's middle school and he was very good in school productions
e.g. Phantom Tollbooth. Was in Scouts and a Football team with
BrratSki and I have a picture of him in our old house at a birthday
party, probably 37 years ago.
</kf>
The other night we were watching Sharpe's Eagle which is almost as
old, and were pleased to see Oliver Sterling as an ineffectual Army
Commander, foreshadowing his role as an ineffectual Hotel Owner.
There was also Sean Bean looking very young and fit, Brian Cox, a
Troughton (Who ? - No) and Daniel Craig.
A lesser role played by John Tams - I knew one of his family, Hughie,
when I was up at Newcastle Uni (umra passim)
[1] Mmmm, Keira Knightly
You are to be congratulated on all the many views of your splendid
knickers.-a (Not a phrase I ever thought I'd say to you, Brritski!)
Thanks....
On 26/09/2025 11:22, BrritSki wrote:
On 26/09/2025 10:16, Jane Vernon wrote:Not for me to nominate.
On 26/09/2025 09:13, BrritSki wrote:Wot, no BTN for my footnote ?-a-a :)
[1] Mmmm, Keira Knightly
You are to be congratulated on all the many views of your splendid
knickers.-a (Not a phrase I ever thought I'd say to you, Brritski!)
On 26/09/2025 12:40, Jane Vernon wrote:
On 26/09/2025 11:22, BrritSki wrote:<FX: whistles expectantly>
On 26/09/2025 10:16, Jane Vernon wrote:Not for me to nominate.
On 26/09/2025 09:13, BrritSki wrote:Wot, no BTN for my footnote ?aa :)
[1] Mmmm, Keira Knightly
You are to be congratulated on all the many views of your splendid
knickers.a (Not a phrase I ever thought I'd say to you, Brritski!)
On Fri, 26 Sep 2025 13:19:06 +0100, BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 26/09/2025 12:40, Jane Vernon wrote:
On 26/09/2025 11:22, BrritSki wrote:<FX: whistles expectantly>
On 26/09/2025 10:16, Jane Vernon wrote:Not for me to nominate.
On 26/09/2025 09:13, BrritSki wrote:Wot, no BTN for my footnote ?-a-a :)
[1] Mmmm, Keira Knightly
You are to be congratulated on all the many views of your splendid
knickers.-a (Not a phrase I ever thought I'd say to you, Brritski!)
Now, if there were a Mere Vulgarity Monitor to impress, I'd be in
there like a shot!
On 26/09/2025 11:57, Nick Odell wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2025 09:13:01 +0100, BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com>
wrote:
I was acquainted with John Tams in his Albion Band days and would
Didn't know he was in a band. His rendering of Over The Hills and Far
Away at the end of Sharpe is always a highlight for me.
occasionally end up in conversation in the same watering hole after a
show. But I wouldn't say I knew him. The only time we were on stage at
the same time, I was dancing with Peggy Mount. A virtual pint of
Shires if you can work that out (or unearth the previous time I told
umra about it.)
Thanks for the pint - Cheers !
I can't find my copy of Lark Rise to Candleford. I think it may be in
one of those boxes of books that haven't yet made it into a bookshelf
but I don't remember any printing press either. I know this is the
Beeb and the television version was also BBC but I think the story may
be suffering from the Netflix Effect where the glossy, improved video
version becomes de facto history to viewers. This probably doesn't
matter too much with a story as old as Flora's or for instance (again
BBC) Hugh Laurie's version of Prince George, but it's a bit troubling
to me when history is revised for ratings in stories of contemporary
interest such as The Queen, The Ripper and Jimmy Saville.
My memories of Lark Rise centre on the National Theatre production on
the South Bank. Dinah and I were given a ticket as a gift and went to
see it. Yes. A ticket. The giver knew we would have to take our new
son and one of us would watch Lark Rise and the other Candleford while
we alternated child care in our camper van.
I was completely unaware of the behind-the-scenes events that would
become By Gloucester Docks I Sat Down And Wept, but I was determined
that when the dance took place in Candleford, I wanted to meet Peggy
Mount. Peggy lived, by herself, in a flat close to where we lived in
Leigh on Sea but was never seen around and about in the town. Gemma
Craven lived just across The Broadway from us, when she was home with
her mother and Helen Mirren was just a few streets away but we'd never
seen Peggy Mount.
I did dance with her. While we were reeling all over the set, I passed
on my mother's greetings (they were contemporaries at RADA) and she
sent hers in return. Great memories for me of a unique production.
It's now almost exactly ninety-one years since the Gresford Mining
Disaster and back in 1978, a mere half way between then and now, The
Albion Band completely reworked the contemporary song about it and put
it on their album "Rise Up Like The Sun," John Tams takes the lead
vocals, Rick Sanders lead violin and Graeme Taylor lead guitar and I
still think it's the best thing they have ever done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zBpks3YeuQ
PS Bloomin' well done! Have another - it's Happy Hour after all.
On 26/09/2025 11:57, Nick Odell wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2025 09:13:01 +0100, BrritSki <rtilbury@gmail.com>
wrote:
I was acquainted with John Tams in his Albion Band days and would
Didn't know he was in a band. His rendering of Over The Hills and Far
Away at the end of Sharpe is always a highlight for me.
occasionally end up in conversation in the same watering hole after a
show. But I wouldn't say I knew him. The only time we were on stage at
the same time, I was dancing with Peggy Mount. A virtual pint of
Shires if you can work that out (or unearth the previous time I told
umra about it.)
Thanks for the pint - Cheers !
I can't find my copy of Lark Rise to Candleford. I think it may be in
one of those boxes of books that haven't yet made it into a bookshelf
but I don't remember any printing press either. I know this is the
Beeb and the television version was also BBC but I think the story may
be suffering from the Netflix Effect where the glossy, improved video
version becomes de facto history to viewers. This probably doesn't
matter too much with a story as old as Flora's or for instance (again
BBC) Hugh Laurie's version of Prince George, but it's a bit troubling
to me when history is revised for ratings in stories of contemporary
interest such as The Queen, The Ripper and Jimmy Saville.
My memories of Lark Rise centre on the National Theatre production on
the South Bank. Dinah and I were given a ticket as a gift and went to
see it. Yes. A ticket. The giver knew we would have to take our new
son and one of us would watch Lark Rise and the other Candleford while
we alternated child care in our camper van.
I was completely unaware of the behind-the-scenes events that would
become By Gloucester Docks I Sat Down And Wept, but I was determined
that when the dance took place in Candleford, I wanted to meet Peggy
Mount. Peggy lived, by herself, in a flat close to where we lived in
Leigh on Sea but was never seen around and about in the town. Gemma
Craven lived just across The Broadway from us, when she was home with
her mother and Helen Mirren was just a few streets away but we'd never
seen Peggy Mount.
I did dance with her. While we were reeling all over the set, I passed
on my mother's greetings (they were contemporaries at RADA) and she
sent hers in return. Great memories for me of a unique production.
I was acquainted with John Tams in his Albion Band days and would >occasionally end up in conversation in the same watering hole after a
show. But I wouldn't say I knew him. The only time we were on stage at
the same time, I was dancing with Peggy Mount. A virtual pint of
Shires if you can work that out (or unearth the previous time I told
umra about it.)
I was completely unaware of the behind-the-scenes events that would
become By Gloucester Docks I Sat Down And Wept,
BrritSki wrote:
I was completely unaware of the behind-the-scenes events that would
become By Gloucester Docks I Sat Down And Wept,
There was a fRoots article many years ago where Shirley Collins
mentioned how she became excluded from the mix in the then Albion
Band. She also found out that Ashley had strayed with an actress.
Shirley's comment was "Ashley said it was an illness, he
certainly had to go to bed with it.!"
AIUI Ashley was placated by a feature in the next edition.
Chris
One of them is hosted by John Oliver who was raised in Bedford. Went to
my son's middle school and he was very good in school productions e.g. Phantom Tollbooth. Was in Scouts and a Football team with BrratSki and I have a picture of him in our old house at a birthday party, probably 37 years ago.
</kf>
On 26/09/2025 09:13, BrritSki wrote:f
One of them is hosted by John Oliver who was raised in Bedford. Went to
my son's middle school and he was very good in school productions e.g.
Phantom Tollbooth. Was in Scouts and a Football team with BrratSki and I
have a picture of him in our old house at a birthday party, probably 37
years ago.
</kf>
I see your John Oliver and I'll raise you his late lamented uncle
Stephen, who composed a number of operas (in some of which I sang and
still have the handwritten xeroxed scores) and an enormous amount of
other work including the gorgeous music for the radio 4 Lord of the
Rings. Very much missed. If you google him you'll see a distinct family resemblance!