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Having had several hot days in the garden, I was pondering the
installation of a small pond.
Nothing huge, just one of those 'pre-formed' liners where you dig a hole
and drop it in[1].
Browsing on Amazon, I came across one which was described as:
"Bermuda Cove Plus Preformed Pond, 50L, 80cm x 60cm x 28cm, Adult,
Unisex, Casual, Pond..."
I might stretch a point and allow the "casual", but Adult? Unisex??
Would such a description encourage you to buy from them?
[1] The actual process is of course much more involved than that, but
the marketing people are not going to mention it.
Having had several hot days in the garden, I was pondering the
installation of a small pond.
Nothing huge, just one of those 'pre-formed' liners where you dig a hole
and drop it in[1].
Browsing on Amazon, I came across one which was described as:
"Bermuda Cove Plus Preformed Pond, 50L, 80cm x 60cm x 28cm, Adult,
Unisex, Casual, Pond..."
I might stretch a point and allow the "casual", but Adult?-a Unisex??
Would such a description encourage you to buy from them?
[1] The actual process is of course much more involved than that, but
the marketing people are not going to mention it.
fields to match their description. I'd also question their arithmetic:
is it a 50l pond or is it 80cmx60cmx28cm? ITWSBT
On 14/07/2025 22:33, Sam Plusnet wrote:
Having had several hot days in the garden, I was pondering theAbsolutely not-a It is clearly false advertising. With those dimensions
installation of a small pond.
Nothing huge, just one of those 'pre-formed' liners where you dig a
hole and drop it in[1].
Browsing on Amazon, I came across one which was described as:
"Bermuda Cove Plus Preformed Pond, 50L, 80cm x 60cm x 28cm, Adult,
Unisex, Casual, Pond..."
I might stretch a point and allow the "casual", but Adult?-a Unisex??
Would such a description encourage you to buy from them?
it is a deep puddle, not a pond.
On 2025/7/14 23:1:50, Nick Odell wrote:
fields to match their description. I'd also question their arithmetic:
is it a 50l pond or is it 80cmx60cmx28cm? ITWSBT
80 |u 60 |u 28 cm, if filled to the brim, would be 134.4 litres; a litre
is a 10cm cube. I assume you _wouldn't_ fill it to the brim though; if
about a third full, it would indeed have about 50L in it. Though they
might be external dimensions; if say made of 5mm thick material, that
gives internal of 79 |u 59 |u 27.5 (assuming the smallest is the depth), giving 128L if full, 50L if 40%.
Quite wee for a pond, I agree with Joe - but that's what Sam has chosen rCaSomeone, somewhere would think of something.
I don't think you'd be doing anything adult in it though!
On 14/07/2025 22:33, Sam Plusnet wrote:hole
Having had several hot days in the garden, I was pondering the
installation of a small pond.
Nothing huge, just one of those 'pre-formed' liners where you dig a
and drop it in[1].Absolutely not It is clearly false advertising. With those dimensions
Browsing on Amazon, I came across one which was described as:
"Bermuda Cove Plus Preformed Pond, 50L, 80cm x 60cm x 28cm, Adult,
Unisex, Casual, Pond..."
I might stretch a point and allow the "casual", but Adult?-a Unisex??
Would such a description encourage you to buy from them?
it is a deep puddle, not a pond.
On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 22:33:28 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Having had several hot days in the garden, I was pondering the
installation of a small pond.
Nothing huge, just one of those 'pre-formed' liners where you dig a hole
and drop it in[1].
Browsing on Amazon, I came across one which was described as:
"Bermuda Cove Plus Preformed Pond, 50L, 80cm x 60cm x 28cm, Adult,
Unisex, Casual, Pond..."
I might stretch a point and allow the "casual", but Adult? Unisex??
Would such a description encourage you to buy from them?
[1] The actual process is of course much more involved than that, but
the marketing people are not going to mention it.
My theory wot is mine is that it's an Amazon Marketplace sale and the
company couldn't be bothered to change the names on the database
fields to match their description. I'd also question their arithmetic:
is it a 50l pond or is it 80cmx60cmx28cm? ITWSBT
On 14/07/2025 23:01, Nick Odell wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 22:33:28 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Having had several hot days in the garden, I was pondering the
installation of a small pond.
Nothing huge, just one of those 'pre-formed' liners where you dig a hole >>> and drop it in[1].
Browsing on Amazon, I came across one which was described as:
"Bermuda Cove Plus Preformed Pond, 50L, 80cm x 60cm x 28cm, Adult,
Unisex, Casual, Pond..."
I might stretch a point and allow the "casual", but Adult?-a Unisex??
Would such a description encourage you to buy from them?
[1] The actual process is of course much more involved than that, but
the marketing people are not going to mention it.
My theory wot is mine is that it's an Amazon Marketplace sale and the
company couldn't be bothered to change the names on the database
fields to match their description. I'd also question their arithmetic:
is it a 50l pond or is it 80cmx60cmx28cm? ITWSBT
It could easily be both, since it is unlikely to be a simple
parallelopiped (a word I first encountered in the Little World of Don Camillo) but have shelves and sloping sides to facilitate the emergence
of hedgehogs foolish enough to fall in.
On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 23:55:28 +0100, Joe Kerr wrote:
On 14/07/2025 22:33, Sam Plusnet wrote:hole
Having had several hot days in the garden, I was pondering the
installation of a small pond.
Nothing huge, just one of those 'pre-formed' liners where you dig a
and drop it in[1].Absolutely not It is clearly false advertising. With those dimensions
Browsing on Amazon, I came across one which was described as:
"Bermuda Cove Plus Preformed Pond, 50L, 80cm x 60cm x 28cm, Adult,
Unisex, Casual, Pond..."
I might stretch a point and allow the "casual", but Adult?-a Unisex??
Would such a description encourage you to buy from them?
it is a deep puddle, not a pond.
It's bigger than my pondette, which has been attracting a variety of
wildlife including newts. I made the pond from a 1930s ceramic kitchen
sink that came with my house.
On 15/07/2025 10:30, john ashby wrote:
On 14/07/2025 23:01, Nick Odell wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 22:33:28 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Having had several hot days in the garden, I was pondering the
installation of a small pond.
Nothing huge, just one of those 'pre-formed' liners where you dig a hole >>>> and drop it in[1].
Browsing on Amazon, I came across one which was described as:
"Bermuda Cove Plus Preformed Pond, 50L, 80cm x 60cm x 28cm, Adult,
Unisex, Casual, Pond..."
I might stretch a point and allow the "casual", but Adult?a Unisex??
Would such a description encourage you to buy from them?
[1] The actual process is of course much more involved than that, but
the marketing people are not going to mention it.
My theory wot is mine is that it's an Amazon Marketplace sale and the
company couldn't be bothered to change the names on the database
fields to match their description. I'd also question their arithmetic:
is it a 50l pond or is it 80cmx60cmx28cm? ITWSBT
It could easily be both, since it is unlikely to be a simple
parallelopiped (a word I first encountered in the Little World of Don
Camillo) but have shelves and sloping sides to facilitate the emergence
of hedgehogs foolish enough to fall in.
Indeed.
Wofe has issued a dictat that no pond is to be installed which lacks a >hedgehog escape route.
(We do have a fair number of very active hedgehogs in the garden.)
On 15/07/2025 08:07, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
A much more robust construction that the "High Density Polyethylene"
It's bigger than my pondette, which has been attracting a variety of
wildlife including newts. I made the pond from a 1930s ceramic kitchen
sink that came with my house.
pools I have been considering.
Can you drain it by pulling the plug out? Or has the plug 'ole been permanently stoppered?
HDPE is probably OK (as long as the water protects it from UV) but GFRP
,ight be a better material.
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 19:02:37 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 15/07/2025 08:07, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
A much more robust construction that the "High Density Polyethylene"
It's bigger than my pondette, which has been attracting a variety of
wildlife including newts. I made the pond from a 1930s ceramic kitchen
sink that came with my house.
pools I have been considering.
HDPE is probably OK (as long as the water protects it from UV) but
GFRP ,ight be a better material.
Can you drain it by pulling the plug out? Or has the plug 'ole been
permanently stoppered?
Plug hole removed and hole in the ceramic plugged with a small earthenware ramekin fixed with non-toxic bathroom sealant. I'm (perhaps overly)
cautious about having any copper alloy metal in contact with the water as copper is toxic to a lot of marine life.
On 14/07/2025 23:01, Nick Odell wrote:[]
is it a 50l pond or is it 80cmx60cmx28cm? ITWSBT
It could easily be both, since it is unlikely to be a simple
parallelopiped (a word I first encountered in the Little World of Don
Camillo) but have shelves and sloping sides to facilitate the emergence
of hedgehogs foolish enough to fall in.
john
On 15/07/2025 22:13, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
I now have an image of you searching through a pile of items, kept on a
Plug hole removed and hole in the ceramic plugged with a small
earthenware ramekin fixed with non-toxic bathroom sealant. I'm (perhaps
overly) cautious about having any copper alloy metal in contact with
the water as copper is toxic to a lot of marine life.
"It's bound to come in handy at some point" basis, to discover a ramekin which just happened to be the right size.
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 22:38:39 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:[]
I now have an image of you searching through a pile of items, kept on a
"It's bound to come in handy at some point" basis, to discover a ramekin
which just happened to be the right size.
Got me bang to rights, guv. One of my kitchen cupboards contains many
small containers bought with food inside. This particular ramekin once contained a small soft cheese.
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 18:59:27 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 15/07/2025 10:30, john ashby wrote:
On 14/07/2025 23:01, Nick Odell wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 22:33:28 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Having had several hot days in the garden, I was pondering the
installation of a small pond.
Nothing huge, just one of those 'pre-formed' liners where you dig a hole >>>>> and drop it in[1].
Browsing on Amazon, I came across one which was described as:
"Bermuda Cove Plus Preformed Pond, 50L, 80cm x 60cm x 28cm, Adult,
Unisex, Casual, Pond..."
I might stretch a point and allow the "casual", but Adult?-a Unisex?? >>>>>
Would such a description encourage you to buy from them?
[1] The actual process is of course much more involved than that, but >>>>> the marketing people are not going to mention it.
My theory wot is mine is that it's an Amazon Marketplace sale and the
company couldn't be bothered to change the names on the database
fields to match their description. I'd also question their arithmetic: >>>> is it a 50l pond or is it 80cmx60cmx28cm? ITWSBT
It could easily be both, since it is unlikely to be a simple
parallelopiped (a word I first encountered in the Little World of Don
Camillo) but have shelves and sloping sides to facilitate the emergence
of hedgehogs foolish enough to fall in.
Indeed.
Wofe has issued a dictat that no pond is to be installed which lacks a
hedgehog escape route.
(We do have a fair number of very active hedgehogs in the garden.)
Does that mean said pond must not be filled higher than snout level at
any time?
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 22:38:39 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 15/07/2025 22:13, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
I now have an image of you searching through a pile of items, kept on a
Plug hole removed and hole in the ceramic plugged with a small
earthenware ramekin fixed with non-toxic bathroom sealant. I'm (perhaps
overly) cautious about having any copper alloy metal in contact with
the water as copper is toxic to a lot of marine life.
"It's bound to come in handy at some point" basis, to discover a ramekin
which just happened to be the right size.
Got me bang to rights, guv. One of my kitchen cupboards contains many
small containers bought with food inside. This particular ramekin once contained a small soft cheese.
On 15/07/2025 21:33, Nick Odell wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 18:59:27 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 15/07/2025 10:30, john ashby wrote:
On 14/07/2025 23:01, Nick Odell wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 22:33:28 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote: >>>>>
Having had several hot days in the garden, I was pondering the
installation of a small pond.
Nothing huge, just one of those 'pre-formed' liners where you dig a hole >>>>>> and drop it in[1].
Browsing on Amazon, I came across one which was described as:
"Bermuda Cove Plus Preformed Pond, 50L, 80cm x 60cm x 28cm, Adult, >>>>>> Unisex, Casual, Pond..."
I might stretch a point and allow the "casual", but Adult?a Unisex?? >>>>>>
Would such a description encourage you to buy from them?
[1] The actual process is of course much more involved than that, but >>>>>> the marketing people are not going to mention it.
My theory wot is mine is that it's an Amazon Marketplace sale and the >>>>> company couldn't be bothered to change the names on the database
fields to match their description. I'd also question their arithmetic: >>>>> is it a 50l pond or is it 80cmx60cmx28cm? ITWSBT
It could easily be both, since it is unlikely to be a simple
parallelopiped (a word I first encountered in the Little World of Don
Camillo) but have shelves and sloping sides to facilitate the emergence >>>> of hedgehogs foolish enough to fall in.
Indeed.
Wofe has issued a dictat that no pond is to be installed which lacks a
hedgehog escape route.
(We do have a fair number of very active hedgehogs in the garden.)
Does that mean said pond must not be filled higher than snout level at
any time?
No, just that it must have a hedgehog ladder/ramp with a suitable
gradient - hedgehogs for the saving of.
On 16/07/2025 07:35, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 22:38:39 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:Are you related to my wofe by any chance?
On 15/07/2025 22:13, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
I now have an image of you searching through a pile of items, kept on a
Plug hole removed and hole in the ceramic plugged with a small
earthenware ramekin fixed with non-toxic bathroom sealant. I'm (perhaps >>>> overly) cautious about having any copper alloy metal in contact with
the water as copper is toxic to a lot of marine life.
"It's bound to come in handy at some point" basis, to discover a ramekin >>> which just happened to be the right size.
Got me bang to rights, guv. One of my kitchen cupboards contains many
small containers bought with food inside. This particular ramekin once
contained a small soft cheese.
We have a cupboard which is groaning under the weight of small ramekins
& similar glass & ceramic dishes. This after a major sort out a couple
of years ago in which around 50% of the then stock were sent for recycling.
On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 19:52:51 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 15/07/2025 21:33, Nick Odell wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 18:59:27 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 15/07/2025 10:30, john ashby wrote:
On 14/07/2025 23:01, Nick Odell wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 22:33:28 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote: >>>>>>
Having had several hot days in the garden, I was pondering the
installation of a small pond.
Nothing huge, just one of those 'pre-formed' liners where you dig a hole
and drop it in[1].
Browsing on Amazon, I came across one which was described as:
"Bermuda Cove Plus Preformed Pond, 50L, 80cm x 60cm x 28cm, Adult, >>>>>>> Unisex, Casual, Pond..."
I might stretch a point and allow the "casual", but Adult?a Unisex?? >>>>>>>
Would such a description encourage you to buy from them?
[1] The actual process is of course much more involved than that, but >>>>>>> the marketing people are not going to mention it.
My theory wot is mine is that it's an Amazon Marketplace sale and the >>>>>> company couldn't be bothered to change the names on the database
fields to match their description. I'd also question their arithmetic: >>>>>> is it a 50l pond or is it 80cmx60cmx28cm? ITWSBT
It could easily be both, since it is unlikely to be a simple
parallelopiped (a word I first encountered in the Little World of Don >>>>> Camillo) but have shelves and sloping sides to facilitate the emergence >>>>> of hedgehogs foolish enough to fall in.
Indeed.
Wofe has issued a dictat that no pond is to be installed which lacks a >>>> hedgehog escape route.
(We do have a fair number of very active hedgehogs in the garden.)
Does that mean said pond must not be filled higher than snout level at
any time?
No, just that it must have a hedgehog ladder/ramp with a suitable
gradient - hedgehogs for the saving of.
Serious question: can hedgehogs swim? I'd imagined that they couldn't
and that if the water were too deep they would just flail around until
they either died of exhaustion or drowned.
I reckon there must be as many alternative uses for glass ramekins as
the Guardian once found for empty 35mm film canisters. Apart from
utility things like holding used tea bags before putting them in the
compost bin and apart from making puddings like miniature crumbles and
cr*me br+loes[1] etc, I also use them to microwave-poach eggs, >McMuffinO[1]-style.
Nick
[1]No, I don't know where to find those special characters in my
ancient copy of Agent: I just copy'n'pasted them from the web
Nick Odell wrote:
I reckon there must be as many alternative uses for glass ramekins as
the Guardian once found for empty 35mm film canisters. Apart from
McMuffinrao[1]-style.
Nick
[1]No, I don't know where to find those special characters in my
ancient copy of Agent: I just copy'n'pasted them from the web
Well, let's see if my Agent responds to my crib's suggestion of
Alt 0153 correctly: rao
Looks good as it leave me.
Chris
On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 19:56:53 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 16/07/2025 07:35, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 22:38:39 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:Are you related to my wofe by any chance?
On 15/07/2025 22:13, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
I now have an image of you searching through a pile of items, kept on a >>>> "It's bound to come in handy at some point" basis, to discover a ramekin >>>> which just happened to be the right size.
Plug hole removed and hole in the ceramic plugged with a small
earthenware ramekin fixed with non-toxic bathroom sealant. I'm (perhaps >>>>> overly) cautious about having any copper alloy metal in contact with >>>>> the water as copper is toxic to a lot of marine life.
Got me bang to rights, guv. One of my kitchen cupboards contains many
small containers bought with food inside. This particular ramekin once
contained a small soft cheese.
We have a cupboard which is groaning under the weight of small ramekins
& similar glass & ceramic dishes. This after a major sort out a couple
of years ago in which around 50% of the then stock were sent for recycling.
I reckon there must be as many alternative uses for glass ramekins as
the Guardian once found for empty 35mm film canisters. Apart from
utility things like holding used tea bags before putting them in the
compost bin and apart from making puddings like miniature crumbles and
cr|?me br|+l|-es[1] etc, I also use them to microwave-poach eggs, McMuffinrao[1]-style.
Nick
[1]No, I don't know where to find those special characters in my
ancient copy of Agent: I just copy'n'pasted them from the web
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 11:03:15 +0100, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 19:52:51 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 15/07/2025 21:33, Nick Odell wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 18:59:27 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 15/07/2025 10:30, john ashby wrote:
On 14/07/2025 23:01, Nick Odell wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 22:33:28 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
Having had several hot days in the garden, I was pondering the >>>>>>>> installation of a small pond.
Nothing huge, just one of those 'pre-formed' liners where you dig a hole
and drop it in[1].
Browsing on Amazon, I came across one which was described as:
"Bermuda Cove Plus Preformed Pond, 50L, 80cm x 60cm x 28cm, Adult, >>>>>>>> Unisex, Casual, Pond..."
I might stretch a point and allow the "casual", but Adult?a Unisex?? >>>>>>>>
Would such a description encourage you to buy from them?
[1] The actual process is of course much more involved than that, but >>>>>>>> the marketing people are not going to mention it.
My theory wot is mine is that it's an Amazon Marketplace sale and the >>>>>>> company couldn't be bothered to change the names on the database >>>>>>> fields to match their description. I'd also question their arithmetic: >>>>>>> is it a 50l pond or is it 80cmx60cmx28cm? ITWSBT
It could easily be both, since it is unlikely to be a simple
parallelopiped (a word I first encountered in the Little World of Don >>>>>> Camillo) but have shelves and sloping sides to facilitate the emergence >>>>>> of hedgehogs foolish enough to fall in.
Indeed.
Wofe has issued a dictat that no pond is to be installed which lacks a >>>>> hedgehog escape route.
(We do have a fair number of very active hedgehogs in the garden.)
Does that mean said pond must not be filled higher than snout level at >>>> any time?
No, just that it must have a hedgehog ladder/ramp with a suitable >>>gradient - hedgehogs for the saving of.
Serious question: can hedgehogs swim? I'd imagined that they couldn't
and that if the water were too deep they would just flail around until
they either died of exhaustion or drowned.
It this website is to be believed - then, yes.
https://www.hedgehogworld.com/can-hedgehogs-swim/
On 16/07/2025 07:35, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 22:38:39 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:Are you related to my wofe by any chance?
On 15/07/2025 22:13, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
I now have an image of you searching through a pile of items, kept on a
Plug hole removed and hole in the ceramic plugged with a small
earthenware ramekin fixed with non-toxic bathroom sealant. I'm (perhaps >>>> overly) cautious about having any copper alloy metal in contact with
the water as copper is toxic to a lot of marine life.
"It's bound to come in handy at some point" basis, to discover a ramekin >>> which just happened to be the right size.
Got me bang to rights, guv. One of my kitchen cupboards contains many
small containers bought with food inside. This particular ramekin once
contained a small soft cheese.
We have a cupboard which is groaning under the weight of small ramekins
& similar glass & ceramic dishes.-a This after a major sort out a couple
of years ago in which around 50% of the then stock were sent for recycling.
Nick Odell wrote:
I reckon there must be as many alternative uses for glass ramekins as
the Guardian once found for empty 35mm film canisters. Apart from
utility things like holding used tea bags before putting them in the >>compost bin and apart from making puddings like miniature crumbles and >>cr*me br+loes[1] etc, I also use them to microwave-poach eggs, >>McMuffinO[1]-style.
Nick
[1]No, I don't know where to find those special characters in my
ancient copy of Agent: I just copy'n'pasted them from the web
Well, let's see if my Agent responds to my crib's suggestion of
Alt 0153 correctly: O
Looks good as it leave me.
On 16/07/2025 19:56, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 16/07/2025 07:35, Jim Easterbrook wrote:I stopped buying things in reusable pots years ago. I didn't have space
On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 22:38:39 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:Are you related to my wofe by any chance?
On 15/07/2025 22:13, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
I now have an image of you searching through a pile of items, kept on a >>>> "It's bound to come in handy at some point" basis, to discover a
Plug hole removed and hole in the ceramic plugged with a small
earthenware ramekin fixed with non-toxic bathroom sealant. I'm
(perhaps
overly) cautious about having any copper alloy metal in contact with >>>>> the water as copper is toxic to a lot of marine life.
ramekin
which just happened to be the right size.
Got me bang to rights, guv. One of my kitchen cupboards contains many
small containers bought with food inside. This particular ramekin once
contained a small soft cheese.
We have a cupboard which is groaning under the weight of small
ramekins & similar glass & ceramic dishes.-a This after a major sort
out a couple of years ago in which around 50% of the then stock were
sent for recycling.
for an extra cupboard.