• Re: Snell's in Spaaaaace!

    From Nick Odell@nickodell49@yahoo.ca to uk.media.radio.archers on Tue Jun 24 10:29:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.media.radio.archers

    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 09:27:20 +0100, John Armstrong
    <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 23/06/2025 09:37, Nick Odell wrote:
    Lynda Snell's alter ego can be heard in today's "Hidden Treasures"
    offering at 14.30, a 90m sci-fi drama from 1979.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002dxld
    It's billed as having been one of a series of experimental broadcasts
    plunging the listener into the daring world of stereophonic sound -
    though whether we still have to have a VHF radio next to one ear and a
    LW set next to the other in order to listen in stereo today is not
    mentioned.

    Stereo radio was well established by 1979 - see below -, so I don't
    remember that - you might be exaggerating for comic effect - but I do >remember the 1958/59 Saturday morning experiments for stereo sound using
    the Third Programme for one channel and (BBC) TV for the other. We had a
    TV which could not be moved (aerial connection), and a large radiogram
    which perforce had to be moved into position, to my mother's horror.

    Yes, I was exaggerating for comic effect - and also misremembering my
    father's antics for receiving experimental stereo a couple of decades
    earlier. I think you are right: in those earlier days the beeb would
    have concentrated its efforts on music, wouldn't it?

    And does anyone else remember the Quad experimental broadcasts in the
    mid 70s? These were broadcast late at night using Radio 3 FM stereo for >front and Radio 4 (I think, or Radio Scotland in Scotland, because R4
    stereo wasn't generally available in Scotland at that time) for the rear >channels.

    When the play was first broadcast, we didn't have the time or the
    money to spend on quad stereo. We had bought a tumbledown house which
    we were living in whilst renovating at the same time as bringing up a seven-month old baby. We had a b&w tv the size and shape of a white
    basketball, an autochanger record player and a valve wireless set.

    Nick
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Nick Odell@nickodell49@yahoo.ca to uk.media.radio.archers on Tue Jun 24 10:51:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.media.radio.archers

    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:18:58 +0100, john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 09:27, John Armstrong wrote:
    On 23/06/2025 09:37, Nick Odell wrote:
    Lynda Snell's alter ego can be heard in today's "Hidden Treasures"
    offering at 14.30, a 90m sci-fi drama from 1979.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002dxld
    It's billed as having been one of a series of experimental broadcasts
    plunging the listener into the daring world of stereophonic sound -
    though whether we still have to have a VHF radio next to one ear and a
    LW set next to the other in order to listen in stereo today is not
    mentioned.

    Stereo radio was well established by 1979 - see below -, so I don't
    remember that - you might be exaggerating for comic effect - but I do
    remember the 1958/59 Saturday morning experiments for stereo sound using
    the Third Programme for one channel and (BBC) TV for the other. We had a
    TV which could not be moved (aerial connection), and a large radiogram
    which perforce had to be moved into position, to my mother's horror.

    And does anyone else remember the Quad experimental broadcasts in the
    mid 70s? These were broadcast late at night using Radio 3 FM stereo for
    front and Radio 4 (I think, or Radio Scotland in Scotland, because R4
    stereo wasn't generally available in Scotland at that time) for the rear
    channels.

    When were the BBC's experiments with binaural sound, and might that be
    what the web page is referring to?

    I downloaded four different binaural versions of "Private Peaceful" in
    February 2012 but I don't seem to have any other productions in the
    "Binaural" folder of my archive drive. Did they broadcast much more?

    Nick
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Mike McMillan@toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com to uk.media.radio.archers on Tue Jun 24 10:26:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.media.radio.archers

    Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:18:58 +0100, john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 09:27, John Armstrong wrote:
    On 23/06/2025 09:37, Nick Odell wrote:
    Lynda Snell's alter ego can be heard in today's "Hidden Treasures"
    offering at 14.30, a 90m sci-fi drama from 1979.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002dxld
    It's billed as having been one of a series of experimental broadcasts
    plunging the listener into the daring world of stereophonic sound -
    though whether we still have to have a VHF radio next to one ear and a >>>> LW set next to the other in order to listen in stereo today is not
    mentioned.

    Stereo radio was well established by 1979 - see below -, so I don't
    remember that - you might be exaggerating for comic effect - but I do
    remember the 1958/59 Saturday morning experiments for stereo sound using >>> the Third Programme for one channel and (BBC) TV for the other. We had a >>> TV which could not be moved (aerial connection), and a large radiogram
    which perforce had to be moved into position, to my mother's horror.

    And does anyone else remember the Quad experimental broadcasts in the
    mid 70s? These were broadcast late at night using Radio 3 FM stereo for >>> front and Radio 4 (I think, or Radio Scotland in Scotland, because R4
    stereo wasn't generally available in Scotland at that time) for the rear >>> channels.

    When were the BBC's experiments with binaural sound, and might that be
    what the web page is referring to?

    I downloaded four different binaural versions of "Private Peaceful" in February 2012 but I don't seem to have any other productions in the "Binaural" folder of my archive drive. Did they broadcast much more?

    Nick


    The Beeb still broadcast some material in Binaural form, they usually
    mention this before the programme starts and gives the usual guideline
    about listening on headphones or whatever.

    Did I ever tell you about the Betamax video-based PCM recording equipment I hired to Aunty? Some years before, I had been using one of their Binaural microphone arrays (along with a Nagra tape recorder) for a series of
    history programmes I was involved in for Secondary Education. I had made a
    note of the design and dimensions of the Binaural array and then made my
    own with perspex, threaded rod, aluminium brackets and a handle I fashioned
    out of a lump of wood. When Aunty wanted to record digital sound effects on location, they could not free up any of their own kit for the month long
    job so hired the Sony PCM F1 kit and my copycat Binaural kit from me to do
    the job; I was given a copy of the FX CD that was produced from those recordings. OiY! WAKE UP!!!!!
    --
    Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Chris@chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com to uk.media.radio.archers on Tue Jun 24 11:22:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.media.radio.archers

    Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
    John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    On 23/06/2025 09:37, Nick Odell wrote:
    Lynda Snell's alter ego can be heard in today's "Hidden Treasures"
    offering at 14.30, a 90m sci-fi drama from 1979.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002dxld
    It's billed as having been one of a series of experimental broadcasts
    plunging the listener into the daring world of stereophonic sound -
    though whether we still have to have a VHF radio next to one ear and a
    LW set next to the other in order to listen in stereo today is not
    mentioned.

    Stereo radio was well established by 1979 - see below -, so I don't
    remember that - you might be exaggerating for comic effect - but I do
    remember the 1958/59 Saturday morning experiments for stereo sound using
    the Third Programme for one channel and (BBC) TV for the other. We had a
    TV which could not be moved (aerial connection), and a large radiogram
    which perforce had to be moved into position, to my mother's horror.

    And does anyone else remember the Quad experimental broadcasts in the
    mid 70s? These were broadcast late at night using Radio 3 FM stereo for
    front and Radio 4 (I think, or Radio Scotland in Scotland, because R4
    stereo wasn't generally available in Scotland at that time) for the rear
    channels.


    Yes, I didnrCOt reply as I thought that the comment was for comic effect too. Living in Zummerset, my rCylocalrCO VHF Tx. was Wenvoe and this remained resolutely in mono long after other gained that pilot tone and 2 channels.
    I had a 12 element VHF aerial (2 x 6 element units stacked in a phased and matching harness arrangement) which in turn could be rotated via an aerial rotator using a remote switcher by my receiver. I turned the aerial to face Wrotham or even Sutton Coldfield TxrCOs to pick up a stereo signal! In 1973, I moved to Earley, Berkshire and the Wrotham signal is somewhat stronger here!
    I do recall the TV/Radio channels being used as we had a teacher at my boarding school who had a bedroom next to our dormitory. On a Saturday morning, we were invited into his room to experience the rCystereorCO sound via
    his TV and his radio.
    I donrCOt no nuffink about the quadraphonic experiments though, but I did build my own quadr(a)(o)phonic/ ambisonic decoder and had this process signals to 4 channels in our living. Worked particularly well on a
    recording of an organ recital from York Cathedral that I had on record. The Tuba stop provided much rear channel information as those pipes were displaced in the church well away from the main body of pipes.


    And I still no nuffinrCO much after almost 49 years!

    Mrs McT

    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Kosmo@krw@whitnet.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Tue Jun 24 12:32:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.media.radio.archers

    On 24.6.25 09:27, John Armstrong wrote:
    Stereo radio was well established by 1979 - see below -, so I don't
    remember that - you might be exaggerating for comic effect - but I do remember the 1958/59 Saturday morning experiments for stereo sound using
    the Third Programme for one channel and (BBC) TV for the other.

    I remember those as they included a special Archers episode - but I have
    a feeling that they were in the early part of the sixties as it clashed
    with a cub scout meeting and I did not join the cubs that young.
    --
    Kosmo Richard W
    www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
    https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Nick Odell@nickodell49@yahoo.ca to uk.media.radio.archers on Tue Jun 24 18:10:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.media.radio.archers

    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:26:41 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:

    Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:18:58 +0100, john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 09:27, John Armstrong wrote:
    On 23/06/2025 09:37, Nick Odell wrote:
    Lynda Snell's alter ego can be heard in today's "Hidden Treasures"
    offering at 14.30, a 90m sci-fi drama from 1979.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002dxld
    It's billed as having been one of a series of experimental broadcasts >>>>> plunging the listener into the daring world of stereophonic sound -
    though whether we still have to have a VHF radio next to one ear and a >>>>> LW set next to the other in order to listen in stereo today is not
    mentioned.

    Stereo radio was well established by 1979 - see below -, so I don't
    remember that - you might be exaggerating for comic effect - but I do >>>> remember the 1958/59 Saturday morning experiments for stereo sound using >>>> the Third Programme for one channel and (BBC) TV for the other. We had a >>>> TV which could not be moved (aerial connection), and a large radiogram >>>> which perforce had to be moved into position, to my mother's horror.

    And does anyone else remember the Quad experimental broadcasts in the >>>> mid 70s? These were broadcast late at night using Radio 3 FM stereo for >>>> front and Radio 4 (I think, or Radio Scotland in Scotland, because R4 >>>> stereo wasn't generally available in Scotland at that time) for the rear >>>> channels.

    When were the BBC's experiments with binaural sound, and might that be
    what the web page is referring to?

    I downloaded four different binaural versions of "Private Peaceful" in
    February 2012 but I don't seem to have any other productions in the
    "Binaural" folder of my archive drive. Did they broadcast much more?

    Nick


    The Beeb still broadcast some material in Binaural form, they usually
    mention this before the programme starts and gives the usual guideline
    about listening on headphones or whatever.

    Did I ever tell you about the Betamax video-based PCM recording equipment I >hired to Aunty? Some years before, I had been using one of their Binaural >microphone arrays (along with a Nagra tape recorder) for a series of
    history programmes I was involved in for Secondary Education. I had made a >note of the design and dimensions of the Binaural array and then made my
    own with perspex, threaded rod, aluminium brackets and a handle I fashioned >out of a lump of wood. When Aunty wanted to record digital sound effects on >location, they could not free up any of their own kit for the month long
    job so hired the Sony PCM F1 kit and my copycat Binaural kit from me to do >the job; I was given a copy of the FX CD that was produced from those >recordings. OiY! WAKE UP!!!!!

    Did the FX CD include the sound of a Knicker Flash? It jolly well
    ought to have done so.

    I listened to and enjoyed Guy Meredith's Hidden Treasure play this
    afternoon. I always like Meredith's work. I was also trying to find
    out more about him this afternoon and was somewhat hamstrung by so
    many websites being hopelessly out of date and referring to Meredith
    in the present tense (Sutton Elms etc I'm looking at you.) Then I
    discovered this obituary which explains, if obliquely, why his work
    seemed to taper off and stop in the noughties. So sorry. A great radio
    writer, IMO.

    Nick
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Tue Jun 24 20:40:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.media.radio.archers

    On 2025/6/24 9:45:9, Mike McMillan wrote:
    John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    []
    It's billed as having been one of a series of experimental broadcasts
    plunging the listener into the daring world of stereophonic sound -
    though whether we still have to have a VHF radio next to one ear and a
    LW set next to the other in order to listen in stereo today is not
    mentioned.

    Stereo radio was well established by 1979 - see below -, so I don't
    remember that - you might be exaggerating for comic effect - but I do
    remember the 1958/59 Saturday morning experiments for stereo sound using
    []
    And does anyone else remember the Quad experimental broadcasts in the
    mid 70s? These were broadcast late at night using Radio 3 FM stereo for
    []
    resolutely in mono long after other gained that pilot tone and 2 channels.
    I had a 12 element VHF aerial (2 x 6 element units stacked in a phased and
    []
    build my own quadr(a)(o)phonic/ ambisonic decoder and had this process signals to 4 channels in our living. Worked particularly well on a
    []
    It's discussions like the above that make me really sad that UMRA - or
    some of it - throws a hissy fit if anyone dares to crosspost. (Don't
    worry, I haven't.) The bods in uk.tech.broadcast would love the above,
    and be able to contribute. (They're mostly retired folk.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    There are a lot of things that children should be shielded from, but
    "bad language" isn't one of them.

    "Honey, we shouldn't say that when other people are around because some grownups get upset about it. No, I don't know why, they just do."
    - "The Real Bev", in mozilla.general 2015-6-7
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Clive Arthur@clive@notnowthanks.co.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Wed Jun 25 23:11:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.media.radio.archers

    On 24/06/2025 10:29, Nick Odell wrote:

    <snip>

    When the play was first broadcast, we didn't have the time or the
    money to spend on quad stereo. We had bought a tumbledown house which
    we were living in whilst renovating at the same time as bringing up a seven-month old baby. We had a b&w tv the size and shape of a white basketball, an autochanger record player and a valve wireless set.

    Nick

    All together now...

    Luxury.
    --
    Cheers
    Clive


    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Chris@chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com to uk.media.radio.archers on Thu Jun 26 09:13:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.media.radio.archers

    Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
    Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:18:58 +0100, john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 09:27, John Armstrong wrote:
    On 23/06/2025 09:37, Nick Odell wrote:
    Lynda Snell's alter ego can be heard in today's "Hidden Treasures"
    offering at 14.30, a 90m sci-fi drama from 1979.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002dxld
    It's billed as having been one of a series of experimental broadcasts >>>>> plunging the listener into the daring world of stereophonic sound -
    though whether we still have to have a VHF radio next to one ear and a >>>>> LW set next to the other in order to listen in stereo today is not
    mentioned.

    Stereo radio was well established by 1979 - see below -, so I don't
    remember that - you might be exaggerating for comic effect - but I do >>>> remember the 1958/59 Saturday morning experiments for stereo sound using >>>> the Third Programme for one channel and (BBC) TV for the other. We had a >>>> TV which could not be moved (aerial connection), and a large radiogram >>>> which perforce had to be moved into position, to my mother's horror.

    And does anyone else remember the Quad experimental broadcasts in the >>>> mid 70s? These were broadcast late at night using Radio 3 FM stereo for >>>> front and Radio 4 (I think, or Radio Scotland in Scotland, because R4 >>>> stereo wasn't generally available in Scotland at that time) for the rear >>>> channels.

    When were the BBC's experiments with binaural sound, and might that be
    what the web page is referring to?

    I downloaded four different binaural versions of "Private Peaceful" in
    February 2012 but I don't seem to have any other productions in the
    "Binaural" folder of my archive drive. Did they broadcast much more?

    Nick


    The Beeb still broadcast some material in Binaural form, they usually
    mention this before the programme starts and gives the usual guideline
    about listening on headphones or whatever.

    Did I ever tell you about the Betamax video-based PCM recording equipment I hired to Aunty? Some years before, I had been using one of their Binaural microphone arrays (along with a Nagra tape recorder) for a series of
    history programmes I was involved in for Secondary Education. I had made a note of the design and dimensions of the Binaural array and then made my
    own with perspex, threaded rod, aluminium brackets and a handle I fashioned out of a lump of wood. When Aunty wanted to record digital sound effects on location, they could not free up any of their own kit for the month long
    job so hired the Sony PCM F1 kit and my copycat Binaural kit from me to do the job; I was given a copy of the FX CD that was produced from those recordings. OiY! WAKE UP!!!!!


    :). Now we know where Wunderkind got her genes from to go into radio

    Mrs McT

    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Nick Odell@nickodell49@yahoo.ca to uk.media.radio.archers on Thu Jun 26 16:07:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.media.radio.archers

    On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 23:11:56 +0100, Clive Arthur
    <clive@notnowthanks.co.uk> wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 10:29, Nick Odell wrote:

    <snip>

    When the play was first broadcast, we didn't have the time or the
    money to spend on quad stereo. We had bought a tumbledown house which
    we were living in whilst renovating at the same time as bringing up a
    seven-month old baby. We had a b&w tv the size and shape of a white
    basketball, an autochanger record player and a valve wireless set.

    Nick

    All together now...

    Luxury.

    :-))

    N.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Kosmo@krw@whitnet.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Thu Jun 26 16:30:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.media.radio.archers

    On 26.6.25 16:07, Nick Odell wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 23:11:56 +0100, Clive Arthur
    <clive@notnowthanks.co.uk> wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 10:29, Nick Odell wrote:

    <snip>

    When the play was first broadcast, we didn't have the time or the
    money to spend on quad stereo. We had bought a tumbledown house which
    we were living in whilst renovating at the same time as bringing up a
    seven-month old baby. We had a b&w tv the size and shape of a white
    basketball, an autochanger record player and a valve wireless set.

    Nick

    All together now...

    Luxury.

    :-))

    N.

    By 1979 I had bought my first flat and I had a stereo system (Metrosound amplifier if I remember correctly), no television and an MGBGT. Now
    that was luxury until the oil price spike!
    --
    Kosmo Richard W
    www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
    https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2