• Chief Constable of Kent police apologises and agrees to pay damages to pro-Palestine protester

    From Simon Parker@simonparkerulm@gmail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Oct 13 22:20:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to Ms
    Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the Terrorism
    Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in support of the proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in
    support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide
    being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with arrest
    under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a judicial
    review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response, the force has accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms Murton with arrest
    and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest breached her rights
    under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the ECHR and her common law
    rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal data
    in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act 2018
    and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of the ECHR
    and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter Terrorism Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a Terrorism
    Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful right
    to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the proscription of Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a reminder to chief
    constables across the country that there should be no unlawful
    interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This is
    the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages and
    offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the proscription
    of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonrCOs experience is not unique
    and given the national failure of police forces to respect rights to
    free speech in this context, her case is unlikely to be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the Chief Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards

    S.P.

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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Oct 13 21:47:37 2025
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    On 13 Oct 2025 at 22:20:03 BST, "Simon Parker" <simonparkerulm@gmail.com> wrote:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to Ms
    Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the Terrorism
    Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in support of the proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in
    support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide
    being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a judicial review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response, the force has accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms Murton with arrest
    and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest breached her rights
    under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the ECHR and her common law rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal data
    in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act 2018
    and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of the ECHR
    and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter Terrorism Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a Terrorism
    Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful right
    to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the proscription of Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a reminder to chief
    constables across the country that there should be no unlawful
    interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This is
    the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages and
    offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the proscription
    of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonrCOs experience is not unique
    and given the national failure of police forces to respect rights to
    free speech in this context, her case is unlikely to be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the Chief Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards

    S.P.

    It is strange that the police should believe that supporting Palestine was in itself a crime; fortunate they did not arrest our esteemed Prime Minister for recognising a Palestinian State. Though perhaps they recognised that he had
    his fingers crossed behind his back.
    --

    Roger Hayter

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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 07:55:45 2025
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    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
    On 13 Oct 2025 at 22:20:03 BST, "Simon Parker" <simonparkerulm@gmail.com> wrote:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to Ms
    Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the Terrorism
    Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in support of the
    proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    [rCa]

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the Chief
    Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards

    S.P.

    It is strange that the police should believe that supporting Palestine was in itself a crime; fortunate they did not arrest our esteemed Prime Minister for
    recognising a Palestinian State. Though perhaps they recognised that he had his fingers crossed behind his back.

    This comes as no surprise. One gains the impression that over the summer,
    the police variously have no ability to think, are unaware of the
    background of the task-de-jour, or are merely following orders. This was
    very apparent during the migrant-hotel protests, where bussing, escorting,
    and generally mollycoddling the far-left counter-protesters was seen as
    more important than the safety of women and girls on our streets.
    --
    Spike
    Sign the rCYNo to IDrCY petition here:
    <https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194?v=2>
    BlackbeltBarrister opinion here:
    <https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0BvfT2ed7X0&pp=ygUSSWQgY2FyZHMgYmxhY2tiZWx0>

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  • From Norman Wells@hex@unseen.ac.am to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 09:02:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 13/10/2025 22:47, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 13 Oct 2025 at 22:20:03 BST, "Simon Parker" <simonparkerulm@gmail.com> wrote:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to Ms
    Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the Terrorism
    Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in support of the
    proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in
    support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide
    being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed
    organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with arrest
    under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a judicial
    review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response, the force has
    accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms Murton with arrest
    and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest breached her rights
    under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the ECHR and her common law
    rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal data
    in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act 2018
    and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of the ECHR
    and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter Terrorism
    Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a Terrorism
    Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful right
    to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the proscription of
    Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a reminder to chief
    constables across the country that there should be no unlawful
    interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This is
    the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages and
    offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the proscription
    of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonrCOs experience is not unique
    and given the national failure of police forces to respect rights to
    free speech in this context, her case is unlikely to be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the Chief
    Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards

    S.P.

    It is strange that the police should believe that supporting Palestine was in itself a crime;

    I don't find it strange, just ignorant overreaching.


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  • From Pancho@Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 10:19:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 10/14/25 09:02, Norman Wells wrote:

    It is strange that the police should believe that supporting Palestine
    was in
    itself a crime;

    I don't find it strange, just ignorant overreaching.



    We also don't know if this was an exceptional interpretation by a few
    officers or common police procedure.


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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 10:00:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 2025-10-13, Simon Parker <simonparkerulm@gmail.com> wrote:
    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to Ms Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the Terrorism
    Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in support of the proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    Excellent news, thank you.

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  • From Pamela@uklm@permabulator.33mail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 11:39:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 22:20 13 Oct 2025, Simon Parker said:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to
    Ms Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the
    Terrorism Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in
    support of the proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in
    support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide
    being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with
    arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a
    judicial review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response,
    the force has accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms
    Murton with arrest and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest
    breached her rights under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the
    ECHR and her common law rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal
    data in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act
    2018 and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of
    the ECHR and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter Terrorism Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a
    Terrorism Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful
    right to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the
    proscription of Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a
    reminder to chief constables across the country that there should be
    no unlawful interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This
    is the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages
    and offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the
    proscription of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonAs
    experience is not unique and given the national failure of police
    forces to respect rights to free speech in this context, her case is unlikely to be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police- threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine- protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-
    kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police- apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the
    Chief Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of- Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards S.P.

    I am interested to know what specific breach of data processing
    occurred in her case. Is this to do with requiring access to an
    unlocked phone? Has it been specified elsewhere?

    The letter of apology from Kent Police says only:

    "The Chief Constable further admits that the processing of your data
    concerning the events of 14 July 2025 was unlawful in breach of
    s.35(1) of the Data Protection Act 2018 and Article 8 ECHR."

    DPA 2018, s.35(1):

    "The first data protection principle is that the processing of
    personal data for any of the law enforcement purposes must be lawful
    and fair."

    HRA 1988, Article 8:

    "Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family
    life, his home and his correspondence."


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  • From Nick Odell@nickodell49@yahoo.ca to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 11:49:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 13 Oct 2025 21:47:37 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 13 Oct 2025 at 22:20:03 BST, "Simon Parker" <simonparkerulm@gmail.com> >wrote:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to Ms
    Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the Terrorism
    Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in support of the
    proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in
    support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide
    being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed
    organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with arrest
    under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a judicial
    review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response, the force has
    accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms Murton with arrest
    and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest breached her rights
    under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the ECHR and her common law
    rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal data
    in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act 2018
    and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of the ECHR
    and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter Terrorism
    Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a Terrorism
    Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful right
    to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the proscription of
    Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a reminder to chief
    constables across the country that there should be no unlawful
    interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This is
    the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages and
    offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the proscription
    of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonAs experience is not unique
    and given the national failure of police forces to respect rights to
    free speech in this context, her case is unlikely to be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the Chief
    Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards

    S.P.

    It is strange that the police should believe that supporting Palestine was in >itself a crime; fortunate they did not arrest our esteemed Prime Minister for >recognising a Palestinian State. Though perhaps they recognised that he had >his fingers crossed behind his back.

    May I admit a sneaking sympathy for the lot of the police constable on
    duty? They are expected to be loyal, dependable, trustworthy and tough
    but are they also expected to be the brightest and the best as well?

    I would have hoped that before going out to manage a protest somewhere
    they would have received a briefing - I'm thinking Sun Hill in the
    eighties - with clarity about what latest intelligence has to say
    about the situation ahead of them but when these, clearly improper,
    uses of police powers occur I'm often left feeling that the beat
    officer is left to try and work things out for themselves in real time
    which is something some of them will inevitably get wrong.

    I know the idea of a beat officer has pretty well been consigned to
    history but do officers still receive daily personal briefings of some
    sort? Doubtless there will be the station WhatsApp group but I hardly
    see that as a substitute for clear, levelheaded in-person intelligence
    sharing from experienced senior officers who will hopefully spot which
    officers "get it" and which officers don't.

    Nick

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  • From Simon Parker@simonparkerulm@gmail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 13:44:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 14/10/2025 09:02, Norman Wells wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 22:47, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 13 Oct 2025 at 22:20:03 BST, "Simon Parker" <simonparkerulm@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to Ms
    Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the Terrorism
    Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in support of the
    proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in
    support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide
    being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed
    organisation.-a Despite this, she was detained and threatened with arrest >>> under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a judicial
    review letter of claim to Kent Police.-a In their response, the force has >>> accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms Murton with arrest
    and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest breached her rights
    under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the ECHR and her common law
    rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal data >>> in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act 2018
    and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of the ECHR >>> and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter Terrorism
    Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a Terrorism
    Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful right
    to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the proscription of
    Palestine Action.-a I hope this case serves as a reminder to chief
    constables across the country that there should be no unlawful
    interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This is
    the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages and
    offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the proscription
    of Palestine Action.-a Regrettably, Ms MurtonrCOs experience is not unique >>> and given the national failure of police forces to respect rights to
    free speech in this context, her case is unlikely to be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-
    threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-
    protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-
    apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the Chief
    Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-
    Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards

    S.P.

    It is strange that the police should believe that supporting Palestine
    was in
    itself a crime;

    I don't find it strange, just ignorant overreaching.

    You have evidence that it was ignorant overreaching rather than
    deliberate overreaching?

    And given that Ms Murton's success included a statement confirming "that
    any materially similar protest in the future would not give rise to
    reasonable grounds to suspect a Terrorism Act offence", I would suggest
    that further overreaching of a similar nature, whether ignorant or
    deliberate, ought to be curtailed at source in future, or at least ended
    with suitable prompting and the mention of Ms Murton's name.

    Regards

    S.P.

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  • From Simon Parker@simonparkerulm@gmail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 13:46:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 14/10/2025 11:39, Pamela wrote:
    On 22:20 13 Oct 2025, Simon Parker said:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to
    Ms Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the
    Terrorism Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in
    support of the proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in
    support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide
    being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed
    organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with
    arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a
    judicial review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response,
    the force has accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms
    Murton with arrest and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest
    breached her rights under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the
    ECHR and her common law rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal
    data in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act
    2018 and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of
    the ECHR and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter
    Terrorism Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine
    Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a
    Terrorism Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful
    right to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the
    proscription of Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a
    reminder to chief constables across the country that there should be
    no unlawful interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This
    is the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages
    and offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the
    proscription of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonrCOs
    experience is not unique and given the national failure of police
    forces to respect rights to free speech in this context, her case is
    unlikely to be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-
    threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-
    protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-
    kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-
    apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the
    Chief Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-
    Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards S.P.

    I am interested to know what specific breach of data processing
    occurred in her case. Is this to do with requiring access to an
    unlocked phone? Has it been specified elsewhere?

    The letter of apology from Kent Police says only:

    "The Chief Constable further admits that the processing of your data
    concerning the events of 14 July 2025 was unlawful in breach of
    s.35(1) of the Data Protection Act 2018 and Article 8 ECHR."

    DPA 2018, s.35(1):

    "The first data protection principle is that the processing of
    personal data for any of the law enforcement purposes must be lawful
    and fair."

    HRA 1988, Article 8:

    "Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family
    life, his home and his correspondence.

    I believe it related to Ms Murton having being coerced under threat of
    arrest into disclosing her name and address which was then processed so
    as to place a 'marker' on the PNC.

    As there was no lawful basis for demanding that Ms Murton provide her
    name and address there can be lawful basis for processing it per your
    quote from the relevant section of the DPA 2018 above.

    Similarly, demanding her name and address without lawful excuse is a
    breach of Article 8 HRA 1988.

    A spectacular, and no doubt costly, mistake by Kent Police's 'finest'.
    I'd be happier if the Chief Constable had been required personally to
    foot the bill for this folly, but realise this isn't how things work.
    However, a man can dream.

    Regards

    S.P.

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  • From Simon Parker@simonparkerulm@gmail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 13:45:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 14/10/2025 10:19, Pancho wrote:
    On 10/14/25 09:02, Norman Wells wrote:

    It is strange that the police should believe that supporting
    Palestine was in
    itself a crime;

    I don't find it strange, just ignorant overreaching.



    We also don't know if this was an exceptional interpretation by a few officers or common police procedure.

    The Letter of Claim made reference to the Counter Terrorism
    Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine Action.

    It would be interesting to see what it says but, from what I can see,
    any and all FOI requests are being met a Public Interest Test regarding disclosure per S24(1) National Security and S31(1) Law Enforcement
    Public Interest invariably leading to a Refusal Notice under section
    17(1) of the legislation.

    Meaning we can but guess the answer to your question.

    Regards

    S.P.

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  • From Norman Wells@hex@unseen.ac.am to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 15:25:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 14/10/2025 13:44, Simon Parker wrote:
    On 14/10/2025 09:02, Norman Wells wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 22:47, Roger Hayter wrote:

    It is strange that the police should believe that supporting
    Palestine was in itself a crime;

    I don't find it strange, just ignorant overreaching.

    You have evidence that it was ignorant overreaching rather than
    deliberate overreaching?

    One does not exclude the other.
    And given that Ms Murton's success included a statement confirming "that
    any materially similar protest in the future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a Terrorism Act offence", I would suggest
    that further overreaching of a similar nature, whether ignorant or deliberate, ought to be curtailed at source in future, or at least ended with suitable prompting and the mention of Ms Murton's name.

    'Ought', just as she 'ought' not to have been dealt with as she was in
    the first place.

    If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.


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  • From Jethro_uk@jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 15:28:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 22:20:03 +0100, Simon Parker wrote:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to Ms
    Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the Terrorism
    Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in support of the proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in
    support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide
    being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a judicial review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response, the force has accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms Murton with arrest
    and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest breached her rights
    under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the ECHR and her common law rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal data
    in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act 2018
    and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of the ECHR
    and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter Terrorism Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a Terrorism
    Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful right
    to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the proscription of Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a reminder to chief
    constables across the country that there should be no unlawful
    interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This is
    the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages and
    offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the proscription
    of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonrCOs experience is not unique
    and given the national failure of police forces to respect rights to
    free speech in this context, her case is unlikely to be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-threatened-
    to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-protester-
    threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-apologise-
    palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the Chief Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-Apology-
    Redacted.pdf

    I couldn't find the compensation paid to all the people who wanted to
    engage in similar protests, but felt unable do do so because of the
    police action(s).


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  • From Jethro_uk@jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 16:44:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:46:39 +0100, Simon Parker wrote:

    On 14/10/2025 11:39, Pamela wrote:
    On 22:20 13 Oct 2025, Simon Parker said:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to
    Ms Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the
    Terrorism Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in
    support of the proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in
    support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide
    being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed
    organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with
    arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a
    judicial review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response,
    the force has accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms
    Murton with arrest and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest
    breached her rights under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the
    ECHR and her common law rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal
    data in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act
    2018 and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of
    the ECHR and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter
    Terrorism Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine
    Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a
    Terrorism Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful right
    to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the proscription
    of Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a reminder to chief
    constables across the country that there should be no unlawful
    interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This is
    the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages and
    offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the
    proscription of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonrCOs experience >>> is not unique and given the national failure of police forces to
    respect rights to free speech in this context, her case is unlikely to
    be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-
    threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-
    protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-
    kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-
    apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the
    Chief Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-
    Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards S.P.

    I am interested to know what specific breach of data processing
    occurred in her case. Is this to do with requiring access to an
    unlocked phone? Has it been specified elsewhere?

    The letter of apology from Kent Police says only:

    "The Chief Constable further admits that the processing of your
    data concerning the events of 14 July 2025 was unlawful in breach
    of s.35(1) of the Data Protection Act 2018 and Article 8 ECHR."

    DPA 2018, s.35(1):

    "The first data protection principle is that the processing of
    personal data for any of the law enforcement purposes must be
    lawful and fair."

    HRA 1988, Article 8:

    "Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life,
    his home and his correspondence.

    I believe it related to Ms Murton having being coerced under threat of
    arrest into disclosing her name and address which was then processed so
    as to place a 'marker' on the PNC.

    As there was no lawful basis for demanding that Ms Murton provide her
    name and address there can be lawful basis for processing it per your
    quote from the relevant section of the DPA 2018 above.

    Similarly, demanding her name and address without lawful excuse is a
    breach of Article 8 HRA 1988.

    A spectacular, and no doubt costly, mistake by Kent Police's 'finest'.
    I'd be happier if the Chief Constable had been required personally to
    foot the bill for this folly, but realise this isn't how things work. However, a man can dream.

    But when have the police ever deleted illegally obtained data ? All they
    need to do is claim "it's too difficult" and there is an end to it.

    As I recall from the tens of thousands of people whose illegally obtained
    DNA remains on the system ?

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  • From Simon Parker@simonparkerulm@gmail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 21:12:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 14/10/2025 17:44, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:46:39 +0100, Simon Parker wrote:

    On 14/10/2025 11:39, Pamela wrote:
    On 22:20 13 Oct 2025, Simon Parker said:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to
    Ms Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the
    Terrorism Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in
    support of the proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in
    support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide
    being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed
    organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with
    arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a
    judicial review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response,
    the force has accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms
    Murton with arrest and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest
    breached her rights under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the
    ECHR and her common law rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal
    data in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act
    2018 and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of
    the ECHR and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter
    Terrorism Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine
    Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a
    Terrorism Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful right >>>> to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the proscription
    of Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a reminder to chief
    constables across the country that there should be no unlawful
    interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This is >>>> the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages and >>>> offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the
    proscription of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonrCOs experience >>>> is not unique and given the national failure of police forces to
    respect rights to free speech in this context, her case is unlikely to >>>> be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-
    threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-
    protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-
    kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-
    apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the
    Chief Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-
    Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards S.P.

    I am interested to know what specific breach of data processing
    occurred in her case. Is this to do with requiring access to an
    unlocked phone? Has it been specified elsewhere?

    The letter of apology from Kent Police says only:

    "The Chief Constable further admits that the processing of your
    data concerning the events of 14 July 2025 was unlawful in breach
    of s.35(1) of the Data Protection Act 2018 and Article 8 ECHR."

    DPA 2018, s.35(1):

    "The first data protection principle is that the processing of
    personal data for any of the law enforcement purposes must be
    lawful and fair."

    HRA 1988, Article 8:

    "Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, >>> his home and his correspondence.

    I believe it related to Ms Murton having being coerced under threat of
    arrest into disclosing her name and address which was then processed so
    as to place a 'marker' on the PNC.

    As there was no lawful basis for demanding that Ms Murton provide her
    name and address there can be lawful basis for processing it per your
    quote from the relevant section of the DPA 2018 above.

    Similarly, demanding her name and address without lawful excuse is a
    breach of Article 8 HRA 1988.

    A spectacular, and no doubt costly, mistake by Kent Police's 'finest'.
    I'd be happier if the Chief Constable had been required personally to
    foot the bill for this folly, but realise this isn't how things work.
    However, a man can dream.

    But when have the police ever deleted illegally obtained data ? All they
    need to do is claim "it's too difficult" and there is an end to it.

    As I recall from the tens of thousands of people whose illegally obtained
    DNA remains on the system ?

    I quote, verbatim, the relevant paragraph from the letter linked in my OP:

    "The Chief Constable has directed that your data processed by Kent
    Police as a result of the incident on 14 July 2025 must be deleted from
    all its databases and will provide written confirmation once the process
    of deletion has been completed. This data has not been shared with any
    third parties outside Kent Police and will not be shared with any third parties."

    What basis do you have for believing that Kent Police are not going to
    delete the data as stated and then provide written confirmation once
    this has been done? Bearing in mind that the claim for damages may well increase should this not happen?

    Regards

    S.P.

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  • From Simon Parker@simonparkerulm@gmail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 21:12:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 14/10/2025 15:25, Norman Wells wrote:
    On 14/10/2025 13:44, Simon Parker wrote:
    On 14/10/2025 09:02, Norman Wells wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 22:47, Roger Hayter wrote:

    It is strange that the police should believe that supporting
    Palestine was in itself a crime;

    I don't find it strange, just ignorant overreaching.

    You have evidence that it was ignorant overreaching rather than
    deliberate overreaching?

    One does not exclude the other.

    So which is it? Ignorant, deliberate, neither or both? And please
    don't forget to provide whatever evidence you have to support your claim.


    And given that Ms Murton's success included a statement confirming
    "that any materially similar protest in the future would not give rise
    to reasonable grounds to suspect a Terrorism Act offence", I would
    suggest that further overreaching of a similar nature, whether
    ignorant or deliberate, ought to be curtailed at source in future, or
    at least ended with suitable prompting and the mention of Ms Murton's
    name.

    'Ought', just as she 'ought' not to have been dealt with as she was in
    the first place.

    It is now a matter of public record that three solicitors within a named
    firm are willing to take on such cases. Either the police rein in their overreaching or they face lots of similar claims for damages. Which do
    you believe to be the more likely option going forward?


    If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

    I consider Ms Murton receiving:

    (1) an apology;
    (2) an undertaking that data relating to the incident will be destroyed
    and confirmation sent once this has happened;
    (3) confirmation that 'any materially similar protest in the future
    would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a Terrorism Act
    offence' and;
    (4) not forgetting of course, the payment of damages

    to be considerably more than a wish. YMMV (and invariably does).

    Regards

    S.P.

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  • From Simon Parker@simonparkerulm@gmail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 21:12:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 14/10/2025 16:28, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 22:20:03 +0100, Simon Parker wrote:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to Ms
    Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the Terrorism
    Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in support of the
    proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in
    support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide
    being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed
    organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with arrest
    under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a judicial
    review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response, the force has
    accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms Murton with arrest
    and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest breached her rights
    under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the ECHR and her common law
    rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal data
    in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act 2018
    and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of the ECHR
    and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter Terrorism
    Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a Terrorism
    Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful right
    to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the proscription of
    Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a reminder to chief
    constables across the country that there should be no unlawful
    interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This is
    the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages and
    offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the proscription
    of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonrCOs experience is not unique
    and given the national failure of police forces to respect rights to
    free speech in this context, her case is unlikely to be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-threatened-
    to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-protester-
    threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-apologise-
    palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the Chief
    Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-Apology-
    Redacted.pdf

    I couldn't find the compensation paid to all the people who wanted to
    engage in similar protests, but felt unable do do so because of the
    police action(s).

    I posted about the result of something that had happened in the real
    world because I believe it might have been of interest to some people here.

    I am not aware of any claims of the nature of which you speak, nor of
    the legal basis for such claims.

    Perhaps you could provide further and better particulars of the claim
    you have in mind with reference to the relevant legislation and any
    existing case law on the matter of which you are aware?

    Regards

    S.P.

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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 22:53:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 2025-10-14, Simon Parker <simonparkerulm@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 14/10/2025 17:44, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:46:39 +0100, Simon Parker wrote:
    On 14/10/2025 11:39, Pamela wrote:
    On 22:20 13 Oct 2025, Simon Parker said:
    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of >>>>> Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to >>>>> Ms Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the
    Terrorism Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in
    support of the proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in >>>>> support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide >>>>> being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed
    organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with
    arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a
    judicial review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response,
    the force has accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms
    Murton with arrest and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest
    breached her rights under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the
    ECHR and her common law rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal
    data in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act >>>>> 2018 and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of >>>>> the ECHR and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter >>>>> Terrorism Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine >>>>> Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a
    Terrorism Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful right >>>>> to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the proscription >>>>> of Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a reminder to chief >>>>> constables across the country that there should be no unlawful
    interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This is >>>>> the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages and >>>>> offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the
    proscription of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonrCOs experience >>>>> is not unique and given the national failure of police forces to
    respect rights to free speech in this context, her case is unlikely to >>>>> be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-
    threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-
    protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-
    kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-
    apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the
    Chief Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-
    Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards S.P.

    I am interested to know what specific breach of data processing
    occurred in her case. Is this to do with requiring access to an
    unlocked phone? Has it been specified elsewhere?

    The letter of apology from Kent Police says only:

    "The Chief Constable further admits that the processing of your
    data concerning the events of 14 July 2025 was unlawful in breach >>>> of s.35(1) of the Data Protection Act 2018 and Article 8 ECHR."

    DPA 2018, s.35(1):

    "The first data protection principle is that the processing of
    personal data for any of the law enforcement purposes must be
    lawful and fair."

    HRA 1988, Article 8:

    "Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, >>>> his home and his correspondence.

    I believe it related to Ms Murton having being coerced under threat of
    arrest into disclosing her name and address which was then processed so
    as to place a 'marker' on the PNC.

    As there was no lawful basis for demanding that Ms Murton provide her
    name and address there can be lawful basis for processing it per your
    quote from the relevant section of the DPA 2018 above.

    Similarly, demanding her name and address without lawful excuse is a
    breach of Article 8 HRA 1988.

    A spectacular, and no doubt costly, mistake by Kent Police's 'finest'.
    I'd be happier if the Chief Constable had been required personally to
    foot the bill for this folly, but realise this isn't how things work.
    However, a man can dream.

    But when have the police ever deleted illegally obtained data ? All they
    need to do is claim "it's too difficult" and there is an end to it.

    As I recall from the tens of thousands of people whose illegally obtained
    DNA remains on the system ?

    I quote, verbatim, the relevant paragraph from the letter linked in my OP:

    "The Chief Constable has directed that your data processed by Kent
    Police as a result of the incident on 14 July 2025 must be deleted from
    all its databases and will provide written confirmation once the process
    of deletion has been completed. This data has not been shared with any
    third parties outside Kent Police and will not be shared with any third parties."

    What basis do you have for believing that Kent Police are not going to delete the data as stated and then provide written confirmation once
    this has been done? Bearing in mind that the claim for damages may well increase should this not happen?

    I imagine Jethro is recalling various situations in the past where
    the police have collected, for example, DNA data on a wide scale and
    promised that they will delete it and have not actually done so.

    Jethro is right to be suspicious but I agree with you that in this
    situation where the Chief Constable has given a specific assurance/
    instruction with regard to a particular individual, that assurance
    is likely to be carried out.

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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Oct 14 23:39:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 14 Oct 2025 at 23:53:24 BST, "Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:

    On 2025-10-14, Simon Parker <simonparkerulm@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 14/10/2025 17:44, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:46:39 +0100, Simon Parker wrote:
    On 14/10/2025 11:39, Pamela wrote:
    On 22:20 13 Oct 2025, Simon Parker said:
    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of >>>>>> Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to >>>>>> Ms Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the
    Terrorism Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in
    support of the proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in >>>>>> support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide >>>>>> being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding >>>>>> signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by >>>>>> police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed
    organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with
    arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a
    judicial review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response, >>>>>> the force has accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms >>>>>> Murton with arrest and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest >>>>>> breached her rights under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the >>>>>> ECHR and her common law rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal >>>>>> data in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act >>>>>> 2018 and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of >>>>>> the ECHR and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter >>>>>> Terrorism Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine >>>>>> Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the >>>>>> future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a
    Terrorism Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful right >>>>>> to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the proscription >>>>>> of Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a reminder to chief >>>>>> constables across the country that there should be no unlawful
    interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This is >>>>>> the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages and >>>>>> offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the
    proscription of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonrCOs experience >>>>>> is not unique and given the national failure of police forces to
    respect rights to free speech in this context, her case is unlikely to >>>>>> be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here: >>>>>>
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-
    threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-
    protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-
    kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-
    apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the
    Chief Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-
    Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards S.P.

    I am interested to know what specific breach of data processing
    occurred in her case. Is this to do with requiring access to an
    unlocked phone? Has it been specified elsewhere?

    The letter of apology from Kent Police says only:

    "The Chief Constable further admits that the processing of your >>>>> data concerning the events of 14 July 2025 was unlawful in breach >>>>> of s.35(1) of the Data Protection Act 2018 and Article 8 ECHR." >>>>>
    DPA 2018, s.35(1):

    "The first data protection principle is that the processing of
    personal data for any of the law enforcement purposes must be
    lawful and fair."

    HRA 1988, Article 8:

    "Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, >>>>> his home and his correspondence.

    I believe it related to Ms Murton having being coerced under threat of >>>> arrest into disclosing her name and address which was then processed so >>>> as to place a 'marker' on the PNC.

    As there was no lawful basis for demanding that Ms Murton provide her
    name and address there can be lawful basis for processing it per your
    quote from the relevant section of the DPA 2018 above.

    Similarly, demanding her name and address without lawful excuse is a
    breach of Article 8 HRA 1988.

    A spectacular, and no doubt costly, mistake by Kent Police's 'finest'. >>>> I'd be happier if the Chief Constable had been required personally to
    foot the bill for this folly, but realise this isn't how things work.
    However, a man can dream.

    But when have the police ever deleted illegally obtained data ? All they >>> need to do is claim "it's too difficult" and there is an end to it.

    As I recall from the tens of thousands of people whose illegally obtained >>> DNA remains on the system ?

    I quote, verbatim, the relevant paragraph from the letter linked in my OP: >>
    "The Chief Constable has directed that your data processed by Kent
    Police as a result of the incident on 14 July 2025 must be deleted from
    all its databases and will provide written confirmation once the process
    of deletion has been completed. This data has not been shared with any
    third parties outside Kent Police and will not be shared with any third
    parties."

    What basis do you have for believing that Kent Police are not going to
    delete the data as stated and then provide written confirmation once
    this has been done? Bearing in mind that the claim for damages may well
    increase should this not happen?

    I imagine Jethro is recalling various situations in the past where
    the police have collected, for example, DNA data on a wide scale and
    promised that they will delete it and have not actually done so.

    Jethro is right to be suspicious but I agree with you that in this
    situation where the Chief Constable has given a specific assurance/ instruction with regard to a particular individual, that assurance
    is likely to be carried out.

    He would of course be unable to confirm that the lady in question has not been placed on a secret national security database (for suspicious persons); nor that this database might not be made available to the police under some circumstances. But what can you do?
    --

    Roger Hayter

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  • From Pancho@Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Oct 15 07:56:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 10/14/25 23:53, Jon Ribbens wrote:


    Jethro is right to be suspicious but I agree with you that in this
    situation where the Chief Constable has given a specific assurance/ instruction with regard to a particular individual, that assurance
    is likely to be carried out.


    The police database may not be designed to allow deletes.

    In financial databases, if a database might be required to provide an evidential audit trail, we never actually deleted anything. We just
    marked records as deleted. So it appeared to be deleted to people using
    the software accessing the database, but the data could be recovered by special commands. Quite a lot of software is like that.


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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Oct 15 09:00:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 2025-10-15, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/14/25 23:53, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    Jethro is right to be suspicious but I agree with you that in this
    situation where the Chief Constable has given a specific assurance/
    instruction with regard to a particular individual, that assurance
    is likely to be carried out.

    The police database may not be designed to allow deletes.

    In financial databases, if a database might be required to provide an evidential audit trail, we never actually deleted anything. We just
    marked records as deleted. So it appeared to be deleted to people using
    the software accessing the database, but the data could be recovered by special commands. Quite a lot of software is like that.

    Again I take your point, and you may well be right, but for most intents
    and purposes if no information comes up on the primary screen, whether
    there is further information hidden behind a "view history" link or
    somesuch is largely immaterial and doesn't seem to me to invalidate the promises made by the Chief Constable.

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  • From Jethro_uk@jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Oct 15 10:13:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 21:12:40 +0100, Simon Parker wrote:

    On 14/10/2025 16:28, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 22:20:03 +0100, Simon Parker wrote:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable of
    Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages to
    Ms Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the
    Terrorism Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in
    support of the proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in
    support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide
    being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed
    organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with
    arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a
    judicial review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response,
    the force has accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms
    Murton with arrest and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest
    breached her rights under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the
    ECHR and her common law rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal
    data in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection Act
    2018 and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) of
    the ECHR and that its actions were inconsistent with national Counter
    Terrorism Policing Guidance on policing the proscription of Palestine
    Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a
    Terrorism Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful right
    to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the proscription
    of Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a reminder to chief
    constables across the country that there should be no unlawful
    interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This is
    the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay damages and
    offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of the
    proscription of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonrCOs experience >>> is not unique and given the national failure of police forces to
    respect rights to free speech in this context, her case is unlikely to
    be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-threatened-
    to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-protester-
    threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-apologise-
    palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the
    Chief Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-
    Apology-
    Redacted.pdf

    I couldn't find the compensation paid to all the people who wanted to
    engage in similar protests, but felt unable do do so because of the
    police action(s).

    I posted about the result of something that had happened in the real
    world because I believe it might have been of interest to some people
    here.

    I am not aware of any claims of the nature of which you speak, nor of
    the legal basis for such claims.

    Perhaps you could provide further and better particulars of the claim
    you have in mind with reference to the relevant legislation and any
    existing case law on the matter of which you are aware?

    But that is the genius of state behaviour like this. Despite the eventual outcome, it will have cowed enough people to have "done the job".

    Pour encourage les autres and all that.

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  • From Jethro_uk@jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Oct 15 10:22:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 21:12:17 +0100, Simon Parker wrote:

    On 14/10/2025 17:44, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:46:39 +0100, Simon Parker wrote:

    On 14/10/2025 11:39, Pamela wrote:
    On 22:20 13 Oct 2025, Simon Parker said:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief Constable
    of Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed to pay damages >>>>> to Ms Laura Murton after she was threatened with arrest under the
    Terrorism Act and wrongly accused by the force of protesting in
    support of the proscribed group "Palestine Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest in >>>>> support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the genocide >>>>> being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government by holding
    signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned by
    police, she made it clear that she did not support and proscribed
    organisation. Despite this, she was detained and threatened with
    arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a
    judicial review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their response,
    the force has accepted that the decision to detain and threaten Ms
    Murton with arrest and to prohibit her from engaging in the protest
    breached her rights under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the
    ECHR and her common law rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's personal
    data in connection with the incident breached the Data Protection
    Act 2018 and Article 8 (right to respect for private and family
    life) of the ECHR and that its actions were inconsistent with
    national Counter Terrorism Policing Guidance on policing the
    proscription of Palestine Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in the
    future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a
    Terrorism Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful
    right to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the
    proscription of Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a
    reminder to chief constables across the country that there should be >>>>> no unlawful interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said "This
    is the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to pay
    damages and offer an apology arising from the unlawful policing of
    the proscription of Palestine Action. Regrettably, Ms MurtonrCOs
    experience is not unique and given the national failure of police
    forces to respect rights to free speech in this context, her case is >>>>> unlikely to be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-
    threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-
    protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-
    kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-
    apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the
    Chief Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-
    Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards S.P.

    I am interested to know what specific breach of data processing
    occurred in her case. Is this to do with requiring access to an
    unlocked phone? Has it been specified elsewhere?

    The letter of apology from Kent Police says only:

    "The Chief Constable further admits that the processing of your
    data concerning the events of 14 July 2025 was unlawful in
    breach of s.35(1) of the Data Protection Act 2018 and Article 8
    ECHR."

    DPA 2018, s.35(1):

    "The first data protection principle is that the processing of
    personal data for any of the law enforcement purposes must be
    lawful and fair."

    HRA 1988, Article 8:

    "Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family
    life,
    his home and his correspondence.

    I believe it related to Ms Murton having being coerced under threat of
    arrest into disclosing her name and address which was then processed
    so as to place a 'marker' on the PNC.

    As there was no lawful basis for demanding that Ms Murton provide her
    name and address there can be lawful basis for processing it per your
    quote from the relevant section of the DPA 2018 above.

    Similarly, demanding her name and address without lawful excuse is a
    breach of Article 8 HRA 1988.

    A spectacular, and no doubt costly, mistake by Kent Police's 'finest'.
    I'd be happier if the Chief Constable had been required personally to
    foot the bill for this folly, but realise this isn't how things work.
    However, a man can dream.

    But when have the police ever deleted illegally obtained data ? All
    they need to do is claim "it's too difficult" and there is an end to
    it.

    As I recall from the tens of thousands of people whose illegally
    obtained DNA remains on the system ?

    I quote, verbatim, the relevant paragraph from the letter linked in my
    OP:

    "The Chief Constable has directed that your data processed by Kent
    Police as a result of the incident on 14 July 2025 must be deleted from
    all its databases and will provide written confirmation once the process
    of deletion has been completed. This data has not been shared with any
    third parties outside Kent Police and will not be shared with any third parties."

    Fine words

    What basis do you have for believing that Kent Police are not going to
    delete the data as stated and then provide written confirmation once
    this has been done? Bearing in mind that the claim for damages may well increase should this not happen?

    https://www.theregister.com/2009/12/21/dna_pnc/

    For a start.

    That wouldn't be so bad, but English courts willingness to accept
    unlawful if not illegal evidence (because the end always justifes the
    means) makes an assurances worth less than the paper they aren't printed
    on.

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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Oct 15 12:03:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
    On 2025-10-14, Simon Parker <simonparkerulm@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 14/10/2025 17:44, Jethro_uk wrote:

    [rCa]

    But when have the police ever deleted illegally obtained data ? All they >>> need to do is claim "it's too difficult" and there is an end to it.

    As I recall from the tens of thousands of people whose illegally obtained >>> DNA remains on the system ?

    I quote, verbatim, the relevant paragraph from the letter linked in my OP:

    "The Chief Constable has directed that your data processed by Kent
    Police as a result of the incident on 14 July 2025 must be deleted from
    all its databases and will provide written confirmation once the process
    of deletion has been completed. This data has not been shared with any
    third parties outside Kent Police and will not be shared with any third
    parties."

    What basis do you have for believing that Kent Police are not going to
    delete the data as stated and then provide written confirmation once
    this has been done? Bearing in mind that the claim for damages may well
    increase should this not happen?

    I imagine Jethro is recalling various situations in the past where
    the police have collected, for example, DNA data on a wide scale and
    promised that they will delete it and have not actually done so.

    Jethro is right to be suspicious but I agree with you that in this
    situation where the Chief Constable has given a specific assurance/ instruction with regard to a particular individual, that assurance
    is likely to be carried out.

    I note that the statement by the Chief Constable of Kent could be regarded
    as slightly ambiguous if not a little disingenuous.

    His words rCLThis data has not been shared with any third parties outside
    Kent Police and will not be shared with any third partiesrCY could be interpreted as not including the PNC, which might be regarded as falling
    within Kent ConstabularyrCOs ambit. He refers to (quote) rCLrCaall its databasesrCarCY (unquote) but the PNC isnrCOt part of those.
    --
    Spike
    Sign the rCYNo to IDrCY petition here:
    <https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194?v=2>
    BlackBeltBarrister opinion here:
    <https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0BvfT2ed7X0&pp=ygUSSWQgY2FyZHMgYmxhY2tiZWx0>

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  • From Pamela@uklm@permabulator.33mail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Oct 15 13:08:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 21:12 14 Oct 2025, Simon Parker said:
    On 14/10/2025 17:44, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:46:39 +0100, Simon Parker wrote:
    On 14/10/2025 11:39, Pamela wrote:
    On 22:20 13 Oct 2025, Simon Parker said:

    Apropos the discussions on protests, proscribed organisations and
    redress for those arrested without just cause, the Chief
    Constable of Kent Police has issued a formal apology and agreed
    to pay damages to Ms Laura Murton after she was threatened with
    arrest under the Terrorism Act and wrongly accused by the force
    of protesting in support of the proscribed group "Palestine
    Action".

    On 14th July 2025, Ms Murton took part in a single-person protest
    in support of the people of Palestine and in opposition to the
    genocide being perpetrated against them by the Israeli government
    by holding signs which read "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing
    genocide."

    Neither sign referred to "Palestine Action" and, when questioned
    by police, she made it clear that she did not support and
    proscribed organisation. Despite this, she was detained and
    threatened with arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000.

    on the 8th August 2025, solicitors acting for Ms Murton sent a
    judicial review letter of claim to Kent Police. In their
    response, the force has accepted that the decision to detain and
    threaten Ms Murton with arrest and to prohibit her from engaging
    in the protest breached her rights under Article 10 (freedom of
    expression) of the ECHR and her common law rights to free speech.

    Kent Police have also admitted that processing Ms Murton's
    personal data in connection with the incident breached the Data
    Protection Act 2018 and Article 8 (right to respect for private
    and family life) of the ECHR and that its actions were
    inconsistent with national Counter Terrorism Policing Guidance on
    policing the proscription of Palestine Action.

    The force also confirmed that any materially similar protest in
    the future would not give rise to reasonable grounds to suspect a
    Terrorism Act offence.

    Ms Murton said: "People should continue to exercise their lawful
    right to protest in support of Palestinian people despite the
    proscription of Palestine Action. I hope this case serves as a
    reminder to chief constables across the country that there should
    be no unlawful interference with those protest rights."

    Shamik Dutta at Bhatt Murphy, who represented Ms Murton, said
    "This is the first time a Chief Constable has been compelled to
    pay damages and offer an apology arising from the unlawful
    policing of the proscription of Palestine Action. Regrettably,
    Ms MurtonrCOs experience is not unique and given the national
    failure of police forces to respect rights to free speech in this
    context, her case is unlikely to be the last."

    The Guardian Newspaper reported the original threat of arrest
    here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-
    threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

    The legal action here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/pro-palestine-
    protester-threatened-with-arrest-takes-legal-action-against-
    kent-police

    And the apology here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/13/kent-police-
    apologise-palestine-protester-laura-murton

    A redacted facsimile of the full written apology on behalf of the
    Chief Constable of Kent Police is here:

    https://bhattmurphy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Letter-of-
    Apology-Redacted.pdf

    Regards S.P.

    I am interested to know what specific breach of data processing
    occurred in her case. Is this to do with requiring access to an
    unlocked phone? Has it been specified elsewhere?

    The letter of apology from Kent Police says only:

    "The Chief Constable further admits that the processing of
    your data concerning the events of 14 July 2025 was unlawful
    in breach of s.35(1) of the Data Protection Act 2018 and
    Article 8 ECHR."

    DPA 2018, s.35(1):

    "The first data protection principle is that the processing
    of personal data for any of the law enforcement purposes must
    be lawful and fair."

    HRA 1988, Article 8:

    "Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family
    life, his home and his correspondence.

    I believe it related to Ms Murton having being coerced under threat
    of arrest into disclosing her name and address which was then
    processed so as to place a 'marker' on the PNC.

    As there was no lawful basis for demanding that Ms Murton provide
    her name and address there can be lawful basis for processing it
    per your quote from the relevant section of the DPA 2018 above.

    Similarly, demanding her name and address without lawful excuse is
    a breach of Article 8 HRA 1988.

    A spectacular, and no doubt costly, mistake by Kent Police's
    'finest'. I'd be happier if the Chief Constable had been required
    personally to foot the bill for this folly, but realise this isn't
    how things work. However, a man can dream.

    But when have the police ever deleted illegally obtained data ? All
    they need to do is claim "it's too difficult" and there is an end to
    it.

    As I recall from the tens of thousands of people whose illegally
    obtained DNA remains on the system ?

    I quote, verbatim, the relevant paragraph from the letter linked in
    my OP:

    "The Chief Constable has directed that your data processed by Kent
    Police as a result of the incident on 14 July 2025 must be deleted
    from all its databases and will provide written confirmation once the
    process of deletion has been completed. This data has not been shared
    with any third parties outside Kent Police and will not be shared
    with any third parties."

    What basis do you have for believing that Kent Police are not going
    to delete the data as stated and then provide written confirmation
    once this has been done? Bearing in mind that the claim for damages
    may well increase should this not happen?

    Regards

    S.P.

    I wonder why the police are making a big fuss about deleting her data.

    The context suggests this is about more than deleting someone's name,
    address, charges, etc.

    Are the police permitted to copy the entire contents of her smartphone
    and now want to assure her they're not keeping it?


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