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I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in Bristol wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused some amused comments from women who had had them removed. "Am I now a man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as Paternity
as that is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity refers to fathers, not
mothers?
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in
Bristol wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused
some amused comments from women who had had them removed. "Am I now a
man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as Paternity as that is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity
refers to fathers, not mothers?
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in Bristol >wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused some amused >comments from women who had had them removed. "Am I now a man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as Paternity
as that is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity refers to fathers, not
mothers?
On 26/09/2025 11:53 AM, kat wrote:
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in
Bristol wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused
some amused comments from women who had had them removed. "Am I now a
man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as
Paternity as that is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity
refers to fathers, not mothers?
I think the main legal term nowadays is "parentage", which IS, I
suppose, sex-inclusive.
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in Bristol wished to
rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused some amused comments from women who
had had them removed. "Am I now a man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as Paternity as that
is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity refers to fathers, not mothers?
On 26 Sep 2025 at 16:54:00 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 26/09/2025 11:53 AM, kat wrote:
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in
Bristol wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused
some amused comments from women who had had them removed. "Am I now a
man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as
Paternity as that is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity
refers to fathers, not mothers?
I think the main legal term nowadays is "parentage", which IS, I
suppose, sex-inclusive.
Parentage usually means something different - it refers to characteristics of a person's parents, most usually national or other cultural origin. What's wrong with parental?
On 26/09/2025 06:41 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 26 Sep 2025 at 16:54:00 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 26/09/2025 11:53 AM, kat wrote:
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in
Bristol wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused
some amused comments from women who had had them removed. "Am I now a >>>> man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as
Paternity as that is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity
refers to fathers, not mothers?
I think the main legal term nowadays is "parentage", which IS, I
suppose, sex-inclusive.
Parentage usually means something different - it refers to characteristics of
a person's parents, most usually national or other cultural origin. What's >> wrong with parental?
"Parentage" is used in legal proceedings to establish whether a man is
the father of a given child. It seems to have superseded "paternity".
But it also has the advantage of being a unisex term.
On 26/09/2025 06:41 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 26 Sep 2025 at 16:54:00 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 26/09/2025 11:53 AM, kat wrote:
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in
Bristol wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused
some amused comments from women who had had them removed.-a "Am I now a >>>> man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as
Paternity as that is "gender neutral".-a Surely, legally, paternity
refers to fathers, not mothers?
I think the main legal term nowadays is "parentage", which IS, I
suppose, sex-inclusive.
Parentage usually means something different - it refers to
characteristics of
a person's parents, most usually national or other cultural origin.
What's
wrong with parental?
"Parentage" is used in legal proceedings to establish whether a man is
the father of a given child. It seems to have superseded "paternity".
But it also has the advantage of being a unisex term.
On Fri, 26 Sep 2025 11:53:36 +0100, kat <littlelionne@hotmail.com> wrote:
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in Bristol >> wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused some amused
comments from women who had had them removed. "Am I now a man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as Paternity
as that is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity refers to fathers, not
mothers?
This is one of those situations were it would be useful to have someone on the team with even a teeny tiny understanding of the Latin roots of some words. Replacing a word which refers specifically to females with one which refers specifically to males is not the gender neutral term they are looking for. Although maybe they could take that to its logical conclusion, and reinstate the now-archaic use of the word "men" to refer to all humans, not just the male of the species. Which also neatly solves the other problem, as instead of the clumsy "people with ovaries", they can call them "With Ovary Men", or WOMen for short.
"kat" <littlelionne@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:mjn9lgFipd5U2@mid.individual.net...
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in Bristol wished to
rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused some amused comments from women who
had had them removed. "Am I now a man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as Paternity as that
is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity refers to fathers, not mothers?
So what's wrong with "Childbirth Services".
On 26 Sep 2025 at 11:53:36 BST, "kat" <littlelionne@hotmail.com> wrote:
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in Bristol >> wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused some amused
comments from women who had had them removed. "Am I now a man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as Paternity
as that is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity refers to fathers, not
mothers?
I suppose the word they are struggling for is "parental"? Sounds a bit like "paternity" if you've never graduated (yes they do nowadays, complete with 'proms') primary school.
Someone must have voted for these people.
On 27 Sep 2025 at 00:47:13 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 26/09/2025 06:41 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 26 Sep 2025 at 16:54:00 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 26/09/2025 11:53 AM, kat wrote:
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in
Bristol wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused >>>>> some amused comments from women who had had them removed. "Am I now a >>>>> man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as >>>>> Paternity as that is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity
refers to fathers, not mothers?
I think the main legal term nowadays is "parentage", which IS, I
suppose, sex-inclusive.
Parentage usually means something different - it refers to characteristics of
a person's parents, most usually national or other cultural origin. What's >>> wrong with parental?
"Parentage" is used in legal proceedings to establish whether a man is
the father of a given child. It seems to have superseded "paternity".
But it also has the advantage of being a unisex term.
I am really not sure why we need a unisex term; it is rarely difficult to decide who is the mother of a child.
On 26/09/2025 20:16, billy bookcase wrote:
"kat" <littlelionne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mjn9lgFipd5U2@mid.individual.net...
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in Bristol >>> wished to
rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused some amused comments from
women who
had had them removed. "Am I now a man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as
Paternity as that
is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity refers to fathers, not
mothers?
So what's wrong with "Childbirth Services".
Nothing at all that I can see, just as long as they don't enforce "chest" feeding. Men do have breasts too.
On 27/09/2025 00:47, JNugent wrote:
On 26/09/2025 06:41 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 26 Sep 2025 at 16:54:00 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 26/09/2025 11:53 AM, kat wrote:
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in
Bristol wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused >>>>> some amused comments from women who had had them removed. "Am I now a >>>>> man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as >>>>> Paternity as that is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity
refers to fathers, not mothers?
I think the main legal term nowadays is "parentage", which IS, I
suppose, sex-inclusive.
Parentage usually means something different - it refers to
characteristics of
a person's parents, most usually national or other cultural origin.
What's
wrong with parental?
"Parentage" is used in legal proceedings to establish whether a man is
the father of a given child. It seems to have superseded "paternity".
But it also has the advantage of being a unisex term.
That isn't the case associated with the HFEA Act 2008 and amendments.
Motherhood is associated with the 'person' who gives birth.
Fatherhood is associated with the man's sperm, or where the man is
married to the mother in some circumstances.
I think Parenthood is associated with gay marriages where the other
parent is a woman. Not sure the tem used and can't be bothered to look
it up. Happy to be shown wrong here.
On 27/09/2025 12:12 PM, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/09/2025 00:47, JNugent wrote:
On 26/09/2025 06:41 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 26 Sep 2025 at 16:54:00 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 26/09/2025 11:53 AM, kat wrote:
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in >>>>>> Bristol wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused >>>>>> some amused comments from women who had had them removed.-a "Am I >>>>>> now a
man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as >>>>>> Paternity as that is "gender neutral".-a Surely, legally, paternity >>>>>> refers to fathers, not mothers?
I think the main legal term nowadays is "parentage", which IS, I
suppose, sex-inclusive.
Parentage usually means something different - it refers to
characteristics of
a person's parents, most usually national or other cultural origin.
What's
wrong with parental?
"Parentage" is used in legal proceedings to establish whether a man is
the father of a given child. It seems to have superseded "paternity".
But it also has the advantage of being a unisex term.
That isn't the case associated with the HFEA Act 2008 and amendments.
I didn't say it was.
Motherhood is associated with the 'person' who gives birth.
:-(
Fatherhood is associated with the man's sperm, or where the man is
married to the mother in some circumstances.
Child Support Act. The Section which deals with disputed parentage (that term now used instead of "paternity").
On 27/09/2025 14:28, JNugent wrote:
On 27/09/2025 12:12 PM, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/09/2025 00:47, JNugent wrote:
On 26/09/2025 06:41 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 26 Sep 2025 at 16:54:00 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote: >>>>>
On 26/09/2025 11:53 AM, kat wrote:
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in >>>>>>> Bristol wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused >>>>>>> some amused comments from women who had had them removed. "Am I >>>>>>> now a
man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as >>>>>>> Paternity as that is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity >>>>>>> refers to fathers, not mothers?
I think the main legal term nowadays is "parentage", which IS, I
suppose, sex-inclusive.
Parentage usually means something different - it refers to
characteristics of
a person's parents, most usually national or other cultural origin.
What's
wrong with parental?
"Parentage" is used in legal proceedings to establish whether a man is >>>> the father of a given child. It seems to have superseded "paternity".
But it also has the advantage of being a unisex term.
That isn't the case associated with the HFEA Act 2008 and amendments.
I didn't say it was.
Motherhood is associated with the 'person' who gives birth.
:-(
Fatherhood is associated with the man's sperm, or where the man is
married to the mother in some circumstances.
Child Support Act. The Section which deals with disputed parentage (that
term now used instead of "paternity").
I suppose that is to cater for the odd occasion where a man has his
sperm saved for when he transitions?
On 27/09/2025 14:28, JNugent wrote:
On 27/09/2025 12:12 PM, Fredxx wrote:
On 27/09/2025 00:47, JNugent wrote:
On 26/09/2025 06:41 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 26 Sep 2025 at 16:54:00 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote: >>>>>
On 26/09/2025 11:53 AM, kat wrote:
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in >>>>>>> Bristol wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused >>>>>>> some amused comments from women who had had them removed.-a "Am I >>>>>>> now a
man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as >>>>>>> Paternity as that is "gender neutral".-a Surely, legally, paternity >>>>>>> refers to fathers, not mothers?
I think the main legal term nowadays is "parentage", which IS, I
suppose, sex-inclusive.
Parentage usually means something different - it refers to
characteristics of
a person's parents, most usually national or other cultural origin.
What's
wrong with parental?
"Parentage" is used in legal proceedings to establish whether a man is >>>> the father of a given child. It seems to have superseded "paternity".
But it also has the advantage of being a unisex term.
That isn't the case associated with the HFEA Act 2008 and amendments.
I didn't say it was.
Motherhood is associated with the 'person' who gives birth.
:-(
Fatherhood is associated with the man's sperm, or where the man is
married to the mother in some circumstances.
Child Support Act. The Section which deals with disputed parentage
(that term now used instead of "paternity").
I suppose that is to cater for the odd occasion where a man has his
sperm saved for when he transitions?
On 27 Sep 2025 at 00:47:13 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 26/09/2025 06:41 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 26 Sep 2025 at 16:54:00 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 26/09/2025 11:53 AM, kat wrote:
I saw there was report, in several newspapers, that the council in
Bristol wished to rename women as "people with ovaries" which caused >>>>> some amused comments from women who had had them removed. "Am I now a >>>>> man?"
But they also suggested that Maternity services should be renamed as >>>>> Paternity as that is "gender neutral". Surely, legally, paternity
refers to fathers, not mothers?
I think the main legal term nowadays is "parentage", which IS, I
suppose, sex-inclusive.
Parentage usually means something different - it refers to characteristics of
a person's parents, most usually national or other cultural origin. What's >>> wrong with parental?
"Parentage" is used in legal proceedings to establish whether a man is
the father of a given child. It seems to have superseded "paternity".
But it also has the advantage of being a unisex term.
I am really not sure why we need a unisex term; it is rarely difficult to decide who is the mother of a child.