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On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 18:12:02 +0000, Brian wrote:

Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 11:15:52 +0000, Jon Ribbens wrote:

On 2025-09-25, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

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It basically does. The sentencing guidelines for "possession of a
bladed article" are from 3 months to 2 years 6 months custody. The guy
in this case got about 4.5 months.

In which case the sentence for waving a weapon around in public is far
too short.

I think 5 years is about right. With an extra year for every inch over
6"

I donrCOt disagree with the principle of jailing those who waving weapons
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in this case knives etc- around but IrCOm interested in your length
tariff.

As you probably know, a rCylegal carryrCO knife must have a blade no longer than 3rCY and it must fold, without any locking device. ( There are
caveats, in simple terms for tools / safety but 3rCY non locking is a
basic definition.)

However, a 3rCY folding knife cannot only still be classed as an offensive weapon it can also be a lethal one.

There was a case recently where a gentleman, returning from his
allotment, while wearing a belt which he used to carry various rCybladed itemsrCO was questioned by the police. There was no suggestion he had any criminal intentions and he had good reasons to be carrying the items but chances are, at least one was over 6rCY.

My point is: even though the 3rCY rule of your 6rCY tariff seems simplify things, they donrCOt. If I was to carry a 3rCY Opinel rather than a Swiss Army knife, IrCOd be breaking the law simply because the Opinel has a
locking ring for safety, it is an older, traditional, design. Likewise,
a 3rCY knife can just as lethal as a 6rCY one.

However, it doesn't matter what length of knife you are carrying if you
aren't waving it about .....

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On 25/09/2025 04:26 PM, Jon Ribbens wrote:

On 2025-09-25, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 12:30:37 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 25/09/2025 12:15 PM, Jon Ribbens wrote:

On 2025-09-25, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

Personally, I really can't see why possession of a knife doesn't carry >>>>> a mandatory custodial sentence, let alone proceeding to attack someone >>>>> with one.

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Judge Adam Hiddleston handed Kadri a 20-week prison sentence,
suspended for 18 months.

It basically does. The sentencing guidelines for "possession of a
bladed article" are from 3 months to 2 years 6 months custody. The guy >>>> in this case got about 4.5 months. Any custodial sentence of 2 years or >>>> under can be suspended. He also got a medium/high community order of
150 hours. I guess he managed to argue mitigation and good character,
etc. Plus, y'know, the prisons are full.

So release a parking fine "offender" in order to make space.

So someone smoking a spliff. Or even shoplifting.

I don't think it's even possible to go to prison for unpaid parking
fines, so that's not a sensible suggestion.

Not directly for parking penalties, but persistent refusal to pay,
ignoring court orders, or failing to cooperate with enforcement could
escalate to criminal proceedings and eventually, in some cases,
committal to prison.

I think you'd have to try *really quite hard* to go to prison for
"smoking a spliff", so that's not going to help either.

See above re fines.

I guess there may be some shoplifters in prison... not sure the
shopkeepers will be happy if you let them out though.

They have to be let out some time.


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