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cCleaner upgraded itself to version 7 this morning.
The installer is gigantic and too big for my 1600 x 900 17" screen so I had to keep scrolling up and down to read it.
When it started to scan it looked nothing like the old version but offered to safely delete about 1600 files. It does have light, dark and neutral settings though so it's obviously really hip.
Any suggestions for sensible alternatives please?
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there including passwords.
Many thanks.
cCleaner upgraded itself to version 7 this morning.
The installer is gigantic and too big for my 1600 x 900 17" screen so I
had to keep scrolling up and down to read it.
When it started to scan it looked nothing like the old version but
offered to safely delete about 1600 files. It does have light, dark and neutral settings though so it's obviously really hip.
Any suggestions for sensible alternatives please?
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there
including passwords.
cCleaner upgraded itselfJust uninstall it and move-on with your day ...
Any suggestions
On 07/10/2025 08:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself to version 7 this morning.
The installer is gigantic and too big for my 1600 x 900 17" screen so I >>had to keep scrolling up and down to read it.
When it started to scan it looked nothing like the old version but >>offered to safely delete about 1600 files. It does have light, dark and >>neutral settings though so it's obviously really hip.
Any suggestions for sensible alternatives please?
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin >>securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there >>including passwords.
I've been using Ccleaner since it first came out & was called Crap
Cleaner. However they had a historical security problem (v 5.33) & have
now gone the same way as Norton in that it's too invasive & wants to be
all things to all men.
I still use version 4.5 on Windows 8.1 & the oldest recommended version
that will work on Windows 10 (v5.46).
Registry cleaners are generally regarded as snake oil but I still have >Eusing Free Registry Cleaner on my system & use it occasionally. Run as >admin to actually clean.
- https://www.eusing.com/free_registry_cleaner/registry_cleaner.htm
Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself Any suggestionsJust uninstall it and move-on with your day ...
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkk4gaFeq15U1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself-a Any suggestionsJust uninstall it and move-on with your day ...
Doesn't actually achieve what I want though.
On 07/10/2025 10:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkk4gaFeq15U1@mid.individual.net> Andy BurnsJust install Linux and have a happier life...
wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself-a Any suggestionsJust uninstall it and move-on with your day ...
Doesn't actually achieve what I want though.
On 07/10/2025 11:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/10/2025 10:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkk4gaFeq15U1@mid.individual.net> AndyJust install Linux and have a happier life...
Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself-a Any suggestionsJust uninstall it and move-on with your day ...
Doesn't actually achieve what I want though.
I use C Cleaner without problems AFAIK.
I am not juggling code or trying anything clever!>
On 07/10/2025 11:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/10/2025 10:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkk4gaFeq15U1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns >>>wrote:Just install Linux and have a happier life...
Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself-a Any suggestionsJust uninstall it and move-on with your day ...
Doesn't actually achieve what I want though.
I use C Cleaner without problems AFAIK.
I am not juggling code or trying anything clever!>
cCleaner upgraded itself to version 7 this morning.
The installer is gigantic and too big for my 1600 x 900 17" screen so I
had to keep scrolling up and down to read it.
When it started to scan it looked nothing like the old version but
offered to safely delete about 1600 files. It does have light, dark and neutral settings though so it's obviously really hip.
Any suggestions for sensible alternatives please?
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there
including passwords.
Many thanks.
On 07/10/2025 08:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself to version 7 this morning.
The installer is gigantic and too big for my 1600 x 900 17" screen so I >>had to keep scrolling up and down to read it.
When it started to scan it looked nothing like the old version but >>offered to safely delete about 1600 files. It does have light, dark and >>neutral settings though so it's obviously really hip.
Any suggestions for sensible alternatives please?
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin >>securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there >>including passwords.
Many thanks.
Seriously - get rid of it.
It was just about OK around 5 years ago but then they issued a new
version. I considered it to be virus like.
If you are running a modern version of Windoze you don't really need it.
Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself Any suggestionsJust uninstall it and move-on with your day ...
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkkbc5Ffs87U1@mid.individual.net> alan_m wrote:
On 07/10/2025 08:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself to version 7 this morning.
The installer is gigantic and too big for my 1600 x 900 17" screen so
I had to keep scrolling up and down to read it.
When it started to scan it looked nothing like the old version but
offered to safely delete about 1600 files. It does have light, dark
and neutral settings though so it's obviously really hip.
Any suggestions for sensible alternatives please?
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin
securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there
including passwords.
Many thanks.
Seriously - get rid of it.
It was just about OK around 5 years ago but then they issued a new
version. I considered it to be virus like.
If you are running a modern version of Windoze you don't really need it.
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there
including passwords.
I need something.
On 07/10/2025 12:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkkbc5Ffs87U1@mid.individual.net> alan_m wrote:
On 07/10/2025 08:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself to version 7 this morning.
The installer is gigantic and too big for my 1600 x 900 17" screen so I >>>>had to keep scrolling up and down to read it.
When it started to scan it looked nothing like the old version but >>>>offered to safely delete about 1600 files. It does have light, dark and >>>>neutral settings though so it's obviously really hip.
Any suggestions for sensible alternatives please?
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin >>>>securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there >>>>including passwords.
Many thanks.
Seriously - get rid of it.
It was just about OK around 5 years ago but then they issued a new >>>version. I considered it to be virus like.
If you are running a modern version of Windoze you don't really need it.
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin >>securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there >>including passwords.
I need something.
Where I work we have properly secure stuff on our Windows machines, >sensitive data and design info for commercially sensitive and defence >sensitive products. We have hundreds of Windows servers and machines and >29000 staff using Windows machines, both personal laptops and the server >farms. (We have many, many, many more Linux servers for the proper work.)
We have no registry cleaners installed.
IT staff do not run registry cleaners.
YOU definitely do not need a registry cleaner.
On Tue, 10/7/2025 3:35 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself to version 7 this morning.
The installer is gigantic and too big for my 1600 x 900 17" screen so I had to keep scrolling up and down to read it.
When it started to scan it looked nothing like the old version but offered to safely delete about 1600 files. It does have light, dark and neutral settings though so it's obviously really hip.
Any suggestions for sensible alternatives please?
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there including passwords.
Many thanks.
You could use Heidi Eraser for shredding.
You don't need to clean the Registry.
*******
When you Google, you can do it this way.
alternativeto ccleaner
as there is a web site that specializes in "Alternative To"
sorting of softwares. The sorting is not perfect, and
some of the "equivalent" materials are daft, but sometimes
you get a good lead.
https://alternativeto.net/software/ccleaner/
https://alternativeto.net/software/eraser/
I don't actually run BleachBit, but I have examined the
scripts as they contain paths of things you should know about.
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkkbc5Ffs87U1@mid.individual.net> alan_m wrote:
On 07/10/2025 08:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself to version 7 this morning.
The installer is gigantic and too big for my 1600 x 900 17" screen so
I had to keep scrolling up and down to read it.
When it started to scan it looked nothing like the old version but
offered to safely delete about 1600 files. It does have light, dark
and neutral settings though so it's obviously really hip.
Any suggestions for sensible alternatives please?
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin
securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there
including passwords.
Many thanks.
Seriously - get rid of it.
It was just about OK around 5 years ago but then they issued a new
version. I considered it to be virus like.
If you are running a modern version of Windoze you don't really need it.
I like to keep the registry clear of junk
securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there
including passwords.
I need something.
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkk7aeFf8b2U1@mid.individual.net> Timatmarford wrote:
On 07/10/2025 11:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/10/2025 10:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkk4gaFeq15U1@mid.individual.net> AndyJust install Linux and have a happier life...
Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself-a Any suggestionsJust uninstall it and move-on with your day ...
Doesn't actually achieve what I want though.
I use C Cleaner without problems AFAIK.
I am not juggling code or trying anything clever!>
Has it upgraded to version 7 yet?
On 07/10/2025 11:50, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkk7aeFf8b2U1@mid.individual.net> Timatmarford >>wrote:Not yet. Still on 6. Is this significant?
On 07/10/2025 11:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/10/2025 10:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkk4gaFeq15U1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns >>>>>wrote:Just install Linux and have a happier life...
Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself-a Any suggestionsJust uninstall it and move-on with your day ...
Doesn't actually achieve what I want though.
I use C Cleaner without problems AFAIK.
I am not juggling code or trying anything clever!>
Has it upgraded to version 7 yet?
I like to keep the registry clear of junk
why? it generally has no effect on performance. The Official Microsoft
line is that registry cleaners are ad-ware in themselves, they are >unsupported, do not use them...
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/microsoft-support-policy-for-the-use-of-registry-cleaning-utilities-0485f4df-9520-3691-2461-7b0fd54e8b3a>
and I like to empty the bin
securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there >>including passwords.
You could use the Microsoft provided sysinternals "sdelete" program to
empty the bin. Instructions here:-
<https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/124353-add-secure-delete-recycle-bin-context-menu-windows-10-a.html?s=e4c58915ac45110592772f0e0bee30d4>
on how to add it to the context menu.
Only seems to do the C:\ drive and does 3 passes, not sure that's a good idea on SSD/NVMe.
On 07/10/2025 in message <10c32vj$uhmi$1@dont-email.me> David Wade wrote:
I like to keep the registry clear of junk
why? it generally has no effect on performance. The Official Microsoft
line is that registry cleaners are ad-ware in themselves, they are
unsupported, do not use them...
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/microsoft-support-policy-
for-the-use-of-registry-cleaning-
utilities-0485f4df-9520-3691-2461-7b0fd54e8b3a>
Mandy Rice Davies.
MSFT is the worst offender at leaving junk behind when un-installing programs, and adding un-necessary junk (i.e. .NET 1) when installing programs.
and I like to empty the bin
securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there
including passwords.
You could use the Microsoft provided sysinternals "sdelete" program to
empty the bin. Instructions here:-
<https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/124353-add-secure-delete-recycle-
bin-context-menu-windows-10-a.html?s=e4c58915ac45110592772f0e0bee30d4>
on how to add it to the context menu.
Only seems to do the C:\ drive and does 3 passes, not sure that's a good idea on SSD/NVMe.
as SSDs re-allocate cells for wear levelling no secure delete is really secure on an SSD.
On 07/10/2025 15:00, David Wade wrote:
as SSDs re-allocate cells for wear levelling no secure delete is really secure on an SSD.
Interesting statement. Since a block needs total erasure in order to
write *anything* I wonder if that's done when it 'taken out of use' or
when its 'readied for new use'...
If the former, data is irrevocably junked the moment the block is taken
off the list of 'blocks in use'
On 07/10/2025 in message <10c32vj$uhmi$1@dont-email.me> David Wade wrote:
I like to keep the registry clear of junk
why? it generally has no effect on performance. The Official Microsoft >>line is that registry cleaners are ad-ware in themselves, they are >>unsupported, do not use them...
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/microsoft-support-policy-for-the-use-of-registry-cleaning-utilities-0485f4df-9520-3691-2461-7b0fd54e8b3a>
Mandy Rice Davies.
On 07/10/2025 11:11, Timatmarford wrote:
On 07/10/2025 11:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:I don't use anything, no virus checkers, no registry scanners, and no
On 07/10/2025 10:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkk4gaFeq15U1@mid.individual.net> AndyJust install Linux and have a happier life...
Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself-a Any suggestionsJust uninstall it and move-on with your day ...
Doesn't actually achieve what I want though.
I use C Cleaner without problems AFAIK.
desktop firewalls.
calmAV.
If you don't want the clap, don't fuck with whores....
On 07/10/2025 in message <10c311p$ugg6$2@dont-email.me> mm0fmf wrote:
On 07/10/2025 12:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkkbc5Ffs87U1@mid.individual.net> alan_m
wrote:
On 07/10/2025 08:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself to version 7 this morning.
The installer is gigantic and too big for my 1600 x 900 17" screen
so-a I had to keep scrolling up and down to read it.
When it started to scan it looked nothing like the old version but
offered to safely delete about 1600 files. It does have light,
dark-a and neutral settings though so it's obviously really hip.
Any suggestions for sensible alternatives please?
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the
bin securely because there could be all sorts of private data in
there including passwords.
Many thanks.
Seriously - get rid of it.
It was just about OK around 5 years ago but then they issued a new
version. I considered it to be virus like.
If you are running a modern version of Windoze you don't really need
it.
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin
securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there
including passwords.
I need something.
Where I work we have properly secure stuff on our Windows machines,
sensitive data and design info for commercially sensitive and defence
sensitive products. We have hundreds of Windows servers and machines
and 29000 staff using Windows machines, both personal laptops and the
server farms. (We have many, many, many more Linux servers for the
proper work.)
We have no registry cleaners installed.
IT staff do not run registry cleaners.
YOU definitely do not need a registry cleaner.
I like to empty the bin-a securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there-a including passwords.
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkkhqmFgttuU1@mid.individual.net> Timatmarford wrote:
On 07/10/2025 11:50, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkk7aeFf8b2U1@mid.individual.net>Not yet. Still on 6. Is this significant?
Timatmarford wrote:
On 07/10/2025 11:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/10/2025 10:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkk4gaFeq15U1@mid.individual.net> Andy >>>>>> Burns wrote:Just install Linux and have a happier life...
Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself-a Any suggestionsJust uninstall it and move-on with your day ...
Doesn't actually achieve what I want though.
I use C Cleaner without problems AFAIK.
I am not juggling code or trying anything clever!>
Has it upgraded to version 7 yet?
Wait until you see it!
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 07/10/2025 15:00, David Wade wrote:
as SSDs re-allocate cells for wear levelling no secure delete is really
secure on an SSD.
Interesting statement. Since a block needs total erasure in order to
write *anything* I wonder if that's done when it 'taken out of use' or
when its 'readied for new use'...
If the former, data is irrevocably junked the moment the block is taken
off the list of 'blocks in use'
I expect that if you have hardware encryption, which I think most do nowadays, then the master key is combined with the block address to produce
a per-block key. As soon as the block is retired then its block address changes and that means decrypting the data with the new key returns random noise. That's seperate from erase cycles which happen asynchronously.
Theo--
Wait until you see it!
Just had an exciting mail! Version 7.0 is available:-)
I take it the group advice, apart from avoid altogether, is don't use V7.0>
On 7 Oct 2025 13:47:35 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <10c32vj$uhmi$1@dont-email.me> David Wade wrote:Said one farmer to the other - They tell me that Mandy Rice-Davies is
I like to keep the registry clear of junk
why? it generally has no effect on performance. The Official Microsoft >>>line is that registry cleaners are ad-ware in themselves, they are >>>unsupported, do not use them...
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/microsoft-support-policy-for-the-use-of-registry-cleaning-utilities-0485f4df-9520-3691-2461-7b0fd54e8b3a>
Mandy Rice Davies.
a Coll girl. I have lived all my life on the island and I have never
met her.
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkkvqnFj8gvU1@mid.individual.net> Timatmarford wrote:
Wait until you see it!
Just had an exciting mail!-a Version 7.0 is available:-)
I take it the group advice, apart from avoid altogether, is don't use
V7.0>
I wasn't given the option.
I am using a 1600x900 17" screen and the installer fell off the edges,
it is a multi app thing so not sizeable and when it installed it started some sort of scan and said it was going to delete 1600 files.
Apart from that...
On 07/10/2025 in message <prcaekd55cpf44do6umda6a9minms2bntd@4ax.com>
Scott wrote:
On 7 Oct 2025 13:47:35 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <10c32vj$uhmi$1@dont-email.me> David WadeSaid one farmer to the other - They tell me that Mandy Rice-Davies is
wrote:
I like to keep the registry clear of junk
why? it generally has no effect on performance. The Official Microsoft >>>> line is that registry cleaners are ad-ware in themselves, they are
unsupported, do not use them...
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/microsoft-support-policy-for-the-use-of-registry-cleaning-utilities-0485f4df-9520-3691-2461-7b0fd54e8b3a>
Mandy Rice Davies.
a Coll girl. I have lived all my life on the island and I have never
met her.
She only said one thing of note in her life...
I like to empty the bin-a securely because there could be all sorts of >>private data in there-a including passwords.
Sorry but you're a clueless buffoon and shouldn't be in charge of crayons >never mind a computer.
plonk
On 07/10/2025 in message <10c2lsu$rl0h$1@dont-email.me> wasbit wrote:
On 07/10/2025 08:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself to version 7 this morning.
The installer is gigantic and too big for my 1600 x 900 17" screen so
I had to keep scrolling up and down to read it.
When it started to scan it looked nothing like the old version but
offered to safely delete about 1600 files. It does have light, dark
and neutral settings though so it's obviously really hip.
Any suggestions for sensible alternatives please?
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin
securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there
including passwords.
I've been using Ccleaner since it first came out & was called Crap
Cleaner. However they had a historical security problem (v-a 5.33) &
have now gone the same way as Norton in that it's too invasive & wants
to be all things to all men.
I still use version 4.5 on Windows 8.1 & the oldest recommended
version that will work on Windows 10 (v5.46).
Registry cleaners are generally regarded as snake oil but I still have
Eusing Free Registry Cleaner on my system & use it occasionally. Run
as admin to actually clean.
- https://www.eusing.com/free_registry_cleaner/registry_cleaner.htm
Many thanks :-)
I have found v5.46, how do I stop it updating itself?
On 07/10/2025 10:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <10c2lsu$rl0h$1@dont-email.me> wasbit wrote:
On 07/10/2025 08:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself to version 7 this morning.
The installer is gigantic and too big for my 1600 x 900 17" screen so I >>>>had to keep scrolling up and down to read it.
When it started to scan it looked nothing like the old version but >>>>offered to safely delete about 1600 files. It does have light, dark and >>>>neutral settings though so it's obviously really hip.
Any suggestions for sensible alternatives please?
I like to keep the registry clear of junk and I like to empty the bin >>>>securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there >>>>including passwords.
I've been using Ccleaner since it first came out & was called Crap >>>Cleaner. However they had a historical security problem (v-a 5.33) & have >>>now gone the same way as Norton in that it's too invasive & wants to be >>>all things to all men.
I still use version 4.5 on Windows 8.1 & the oldest recommended version >>>that will work on Windows 10 (v5.46).
Registry cleaners are generally regarded as snake oil but I still have >>>Eusing Free Registry Cleaner on my system & use it occasionally. Run as >>>admin to actually clean.
- https://www.eusing.com/free_registry_cleaner/registry_cleaner.htm
Many thanks :-)
I have found v5.46, how do I stop it updating itself?
Tickbox (possibly 2) in Options.
On 07/10/2025 18:43, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkkvqnFj8gvU1@mid.individual.net> Timatmarford wrote:
I wasn't given the option.Wait until you see it!
Just had an exciting mail!-a Version 7.0 is available:-)
I take it the group advice, apart from avoid altogether, is don't use V7.0> >>
I am using a 1600x900 17" screen and the installer fell off the edges, it is a multi app thing so not sizeable and when it installed it started some sort of scan and said it was going to delete 1600 files.
Apart from that...
Doesn't windows have some sort of zoom feature? I had that installing linux on an EEPC, and found some way to shift the window around to get at offscreen bits and I think to make it smaller
On Tue, 07 Oct 2025 11:30:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:I think that was done long ago, for Unix, before Windows existed. The
On 07/10/2025 11:11, Timatmarford wrote:
On 07/10/2025 11:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:I don't use anything, no virus checkers, no registry scanners, and
On 07/10/2025 10:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 07/10/2025 in message <mkk4gaFeq15U1@mid.individual.net> AndyJust install Linux and have a happier life...
Burns wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
cCleaner upgraded itself-a Any suggestionsJust uninstall it and move-on with your day ...
Doesn't actually achieve what I want though.
I use C Cleaner without problems AFAIK.
no desktop firewalls.
calmAV.
If you don't want the clap, don't fuck with whores....
I have been using Linux since Dapper Drake (my brother worked on it
at Uni in the early 90s finally converted me). generally it does 90%
of what I need and the remaining 10% is artificially Windows bound.
The only AV I have used on Linux has been ClamAV. And that is just to
scan Windows executables that were stored on a fileserver.
One pleasant side-effect of the total ignorance of Linux in the real
world is the lack of serious malware and virus hackers trying to
target it. Much easier and more profitable to concentrate on Windows.
(Apple users can bask in reflected glory there.)
If anyone can write and deliver a credible Linux virus they probably
deserve whatever they can haul.
Meanwhile the entire UK government, local government, NHS and allExactly. If they were all using Linux on their desktops there would be
public bodies are thataway ---->
I don't think anything has fallen off the edge of mine.
You can use the "desktop" button in the lower
right corner, to minimize all windows, or to return
all windows to the inflated state.
Meanwhile the entire UK government, local government, NHS and allExactly. If they were all using Linux on their desktops there would be
public bodies are thataway ---->
a lot more trouble.
*Even* *now*, the first Windows user is created as an administrator,
with no attempt by Windows to encourage that user to make another >unprivileged user for normal daily use. Windows Server compromises are
almost always due to web surfing from the server by admins with full >privileges.
Doesn't windows have some sort of zoom feature? I had that installing >>linux on an EEPC, and found some way to shift the window around to get at >>offscreen bits and I think to make it smaller
"the installer fell off the edges"
I'm almost afraid to ask what that means :-)
I don't think anything has fallen off the edge of mine.
You can use the "desktop" button in the lower
right corner, to minimize all windows, or to return
all windows to the inflated state.
You cannot see the desktop button, "unless you are over it".
Which is the silliest piece of GUI crap design I've ever seen.
Here, with the mouse cursor in the corner, the vertical stick
is now visible. And a balloon shows the definition of what the
stick does. For the longest while, I didn't even know that's
where they had moved that function.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/sxBs0fZC/show-desktop.gif
The idea would be, to hit that button/stick twice, and see
if an offscreen application is scooted back a bit.
On 07/10/2025 in message <10c3gmt$12q5g$1@dont-email.me> mm0fmf wrote:
I like to empty the bin-a securely because there could be all sorts
of private data in there-a including passwords.
Sorry but you're a clueless buffoon and shouldn't be in charge of
crayons never mind a computer.
plonk
I don't know what brought on that little tantrum, have you never felt
the need to securely delete bank statement, medical documents,
documents with passwords in etc?
On 08/10/2025 12:01, Joe wrote:
Meanwhile the entire UK government, local government, NHS and allExactly. If they were all using Linux on their desktops there would be
public bodies are thataway ---->
a lot more trouble.
Actually, they wouldn't.
Linux is inherently a derivative of a multi tasking multi-user operating system (Unix) with inbuilt security and protection at the foundation.
Windows is a development of a single user single tasking operating
system (MSDOS) which has had everything else bolted on as an extra .-a It wasn't until Windows NT that it even started to be comparable with Unix.
Windows is ubiquitous not because it is superior, but because it is a standard.
But its gradually losing its grip as more and more companies decide to support linux.-a Companies like IBM...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 12:01:29 +0100, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
*Even* *now*, the first Windows user is created as an administrator,
with no attempt by Windows to encourage that user to make another
unprivileged user for normal daily use. Windows Server compromises are
almost always due to web surfing from the server by admins with full
privileges.
How useable is Window10/11 without full privileges?
I certainly remember in the past that it was a pain just to do normal activities and thus now always give the user Adminstrator rights.
Apparently cabinet
ministers are allowed to use insecure and unarchived means of
communication, like Hillary Clinton in the USA.
On 08/10/2025 13:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/10/2025 12:01, Joe wrote:
Meanwhile the entire UK government, local government, NHS and allExactly. If they were all using Linux on their desktops there would be
public bodies are thataway ---->
a lot more trouble.
Actually, they wouldn't.
Linux is inherently a derivative of a multi tasking multi-user
operating system (Unix) with inbuilt security and protection at the
foundation.
Windows is a development of a single user single tasking operating
system (MSDOS) which has had everything else bolted on as an extra .
It wasn't until Windows NT that it even started to be comparable with
Unix.
Like many you perpetuate old crap. No Windows released in the last 25
years has been based on MSDOS. Every release of Windows from
Windows/2000 onwards has been based on Windows/NT a fully multi-user operating system architected by one of the ex-DEC open VMS team....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cutler
Windows is ubiquitous not because it is superior, but because it is a
standard.
Windows in ubiquitous in a corporate setting because its easy to
centrally distribute, control and manage, and is sold and marketed as
such. Whilst its possible to do this with Linux you need several
products from several vendors...
But its gradually losing its grip as more and more companies decide to
support linux.-a Companies like IBM...
Yes IBM isn-|t pushing Linux on the desktop. Its pushing it in the cloud because it owns redhat and wants to make money...
Dave
Dave--
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 12:01:29 +0100, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
*Even* *now*, the first Windows user is created as an administrator,
with no attempt by Windows to encourage that user to make another >unprivileged user for normal daily use. Windows Server compromises
are almost always due to web surfing from the server by admins with
full privileges.
How useable is Window10/11 without full privileges?
I certainly remember in the past that it was a pain just to do normal activities and thus now always give the user Adminstrator rights.
Windows in ubiquitous in a corporate setting because its easy to
centrally distribute, control and manage, and is sold and marketed as
such. Whilst its possible to do this with Linux you need several
products from several vendors...
My first job with a new Windows computer
is to create (and test!) an administrator user, then when I'm sure it
works, drop my own account to unprivileged.
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 13:58:58 +0200
David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote:
Whereas Windows only needs Kerberos and LDAP, neither of which were
Windows in ubiquitous in a corporate setting because its easy to
centrally distribute, control and manage, and is sold and marketed as
such. Whilst its possible to do this with Linux you need several
products from several vendors...
written by MS.
AnthonyL wrote:Actually, Win11 does have sudo under
How useable is Window10/11 without full privileges?
It doesn't have sudo
On 07/10/2025 in message <10c32vj$uhmi$1@dont-email.me> David Wade wrote:
I like to keep the registry clear of junk
why? it generally has no effect on performance. The Official Microsoft line is that registry cleaners are ad-ware in themselves, they are unsupported, do not use them...
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/microsoft-support-policy-for-the-use-of-registry-cleaning-utilities-0485f4df-9520-3691-2461-7b0fd54e8b3a>
Mandy Rice Davies.
MSFT is the worst offender at leaving junk behind when un-installing programs, and adding un-necessary junk (i.e. .NET 1) when installing programs.
and I like to empty the bin
securely because there could be all sorts of private data in there-a including passwords.
You could use the Microsoft provided sysinternals "sdelete" program to empty the bin. Instructions here:-
<https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/124353-add-secure-delete-recycle-bin-context-menu-windows-10-a.html?s=e4c58915ac45110592772f0e0bee30d4>
on how to add it to the context menu.
Only seems to do the C:\ drive and does 3 passes, not sure that's a good idea on SSD/NVMe.
On 08/10/2025 11:35, Paul wrote:
I don't think anything has fallen off the edge of mine.
You can use the "desktop" button in the lower
right corner, to minimize all windows, or to return
all windows to the inflated state.
It is *deflation* that is required.
That is, the size of the dialogue box in his installer *exceeds* the size of screen he has available... and the installer offers no scrollable options ...
On linux there is a some kind of option to at least move a window around to access the hidden parts
The Natural Philosopher wrote:Alt-space for the control menu, them M to move, then use arrows to
On linux there is a some kind of option to at least move a windowwindow that went full screen ? When they do that, they
around to access the hidden parts
OK, I think I've seen that. Maybe a Command Prompt
make the window big enough that the decorations go off
the screen (they do this on purpose, it's not a bug).
On 08/10/2025 14:25, Joe wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 13:58:58 +0200
David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote:
Whereas Windows only needs Kerberos and LDAP, neither of which were
Windows in ubiquitous in a corporate setting because its easy to
centrally distribute, control and manage, and is sold and marketed as
such. Whilst its possible to do this with Linux you need several
products from several vendors...
written by MS.
It actually needs much more those, but all the things you need come on
one DVD image that is supported on one phone number for one inclusive
price per desktop.
When you are trying to jump through the hoops of PCI, HIPAA, Common Compliance, NIST and a 1001 other security and privacy standards then
having one supplier who delivers all the patches that you all hate but
which you need to install, measure , monitor and report on to comply
with those standards, makes desktop windows attractive.
As this guide to Linux patch managements says:-
https://tuxcare.com/blog/linux-patch-management/#item-3
"Unlike closed-source operating systems like Windows, Linux patching can
be a bit more unpredictable and complex. Open source has its advantages,
but one disadvantage is running an operating system where changes are
made by various contributors. Just one incompatible change could affect
your entire organization."
... of course you will all say you don-|t need to patch Linux but if you want to retain the above compliences, and if you want to handle credit
card, health, government data, then you have to patch, otherwise when
your security auditor runs the penetration tests and you fail its an issue.....
... of course its not easy on windows, but it is what it is, I am just
happy to be retired and not have to deal with it..
Paul wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:Alt-space for the control menu, them M to move, then use arrows to
On linux there is a some kind of option to at least move a windowwindow that went full screen ? When they do that, they
around to access the hidden parts
OK, I think I've seen that. Maybe a Command Prompt
make the window big enough that the decorations go off
the screen (they do this on purpose, it's not a bug).
re-align the window into view.
Andy Burns wrote:Used to work in Windows too, but now looks as if AI Copilot has hijacked Alt-Space
Alt-space for the control menu, them M to move, then use arrows to re-
align the window into view.
I think that is the bunny. Yep that works on the MATE desktop at least.
I'll remember that...
Used to work in Windows too, but now looks as if AI Copilot has hijacked Alt-Space
Must be written by some Microsoft employee. No one 'patches' Linux.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:Used to work in Windows too, but now looks as if AI Copilot has hijacked Alt-Space
Alt-space for the control menu, them M to move, then use arrows to re-
align the window into view.
I think that is the bunny. Yep that works on the MATE desktop at least.
I'll remember that...
On 08/10/2025 14:13, David Wade wrote:
On 08/10/2025 14:25, Joe wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 13:58:58 +0200
David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote:
Whereas Windows only needs Kerberos and LDAP, neither of which were
Windows in ubiquitous in a corporate setting because its easy to
centrally distribute, control and manage, and is sold and marketed as
such. Whilst its possible to do this with Linux you need several
products from several vendors...
written by MS.
It actually needs much more those, but all the things you need come on
one DVD image that is supported on one phone number for one inclusive
price per desktop.
When you are trying to jump through the hoops of PCI, HIPAA, Common
Compliance, NIST and a 1001 other security and privacy standards then
having one supplier who delivers all the patches that you all hate but
which you need to install, measure , monitor and report on to comply
with those standards, makes desktop windows attractive.
As this guide to Linux patch managements says:-
https://tuxcare.com/blog/linux-patch-management/#item-3
"Unlike closed-source operating systems like Windows, Linux patching
can be a bit more unpredictable and complex. Open source has its
advantages, but one disadvantage is running an operating system where
changes are made by various contributors. Just one incompatible change
could affect your entire organization."
Must be written by some Microsoft employee. No one 'patches' Linux.
... of course you will all say you don-|t need to patch Linux but if
you want to retain the above compliences, and if you want to handle
credit card, health, government data, then you have to patch,
otherwise when your security auditor runs the penetration tests and
you fail its an issue.....
AS usual its all mandated by government who are paid by microsoft to
ensure nothing else meets the spec.
BTDTGTTS
And yet these are teh organisations who have regular million item data breaches.
... of course its not easy on windows, but it is what it is, I am justWell yes. We tried to bid for government/EU business once or twice, but
happy to be retired and not have to deal with it..
it wasn't worth trying.
It was all stitched up so that only the people with massive
organisations able to correctly fill in 1000 page compliance documents (written by the big companies consultants in the first place) need apply.
However it hasn't stopped a few governments 'going Linux'
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/switzerland-mandates-government- agencies-use-open-source-software
https://www.lpi.org/value-of-certification/government/
- "South Korea switching their 3.3 million PCs to Linux
- "ItalyrCOs Ministry of Defense is pioneering the use of open-source
office tools by migrating 150,000 PCs to Libre Office (OK not linux,
but ...)
- "Indian GovernmentrCOs BOSS (Linux) operating system set to replace Windows, ward off hackers
- "German State abandons Windows for Linux.
-Other examples of governments and government agencies that run on Linux.
The U.S. Department of Defense
The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration
The U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration
The Government of Brazil
FrancerCOs national police force
FrancerCOs Ministry of Agriculture
The French Parliament
NASA
CERN
etc etc.
Perhaps they know something about security you don't, or perhaps there
is a fortune to be made advising them....
The fact is that desktop Linux is now a better and safer working
environment than Windows is.
apps people are not developing their software for it
On 08/10/2025 17:11, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:Used to work in Windows too, but now looks as if AI Copilot has hijacked Alt-Space
Alt-space for the control menu, them M to move, then use arrows to re- align the window into view.
I think that is the bunny. Yep that works on the MATE desktop at least. I'll remember that...
-aStill works for me - brings up the top left menu.
On 08/10/2025 17:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/10/2025 14:13, David Wade wrote:
On 08/10/2025 14:25, Joe wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 13:58:58 +0200
David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote:
Whereas Windows only needs Kerberos and LDAP, neither of which were
Windows in ubiquitous in a corporate setting because its easy to
centrally distribute, control and manage, and is sold and marketed as >>>>> such. Whilst its possible to do this with Linux you need several
products from several vendors...
written by MS.
It actually needs much more those, but all the things you need come
on one DVD image that is supported on one phone number for one
inclusive price per desktop.
When you are trying to jump through the hoops of PCI, HIPAA, Common
Compliance, NIST and a 1001 other security and privacy standards then
having one supplier who delivers all the patches that you all hate
but which you need to install, measure , monitor and report on to
comply with those standards, makes desktop windows attractive.
As this guide to Linux patch managements says:-
https://tuxcare.com/blog/linux-patch-management/#item-3
"Unlike closed-source operating systems like Windows, Linux patching
can be a bit more unpredictable and complex. Open source has its
advantages, but one disadvantage is running an operating system where
changes are made by various contributors. Just one incompatible
change could affect your entire organization."
Must be written by some Microsoft employee. No one 'patches' Linux.
... of course you will all say you don-|t need to patch Linux but if
you want to retain the above compliences, and if you want to handle
credit card, health, government data, then you have to patch,
otherwise when your security auditor runs the penetration tests and
you fail its an issue.....
AS usual its all mandated by government who are paid by microsoft to
ensure nothing else meets the spec.
BTDTGTTS
And yet these are teh organisations who have regular million item data
breaches.
... of course its not easy on windows, but it is what it is, I amWell yes. We tried to bid for government/EU business once or twice,
just happy to be retired and not have to deal with it..
but it wasn't worth trying.
It was all stitched up so that only the people with massive
organisations able to correctly fill in 1000 page compliance documents
(written by the big companies consultants in the first place) need apply.
However it hasn't stopped a few governments 'going Linux'
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/switzerland-mandates-government-
agencies-use-open-source-software
https://www.lpi.org/value-of-certification/government/
- "South Korea switching their 3.3 million PCs to Linux
- "ItalyrCOs Ministry of Defense is pioneering the use of open-source
office tools by migrating 150,000 PCs to Libre Office (OK not linux,
but ...)
- "Indian GovernmentrCOs BOSS (Linux) operating system set to replace
Windows, ward off hackers
- "German State abandons Windows for Linux.
-Other examples of governments and government agencies that run on Linux.
The U.S. Department of Defense
The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration
The U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration
The Government of Brazil
FrancerCOs national police force
FrancerCOs Ministry of Agriculture
The French Parliament
NASA
CERN
etc etc.
Perhaps they know something about security you don't, or perhaps there
is a fortune to be made advising them....
No, they are simply big enough to be able to build their own systems. In
the UK there are 371 independent local authorities. Whilst I have been retired 10 years, as far as I know they all run a windows
infrastructure, probably because they don-|t have the teams to build a
Linux infrastructure.
The fact is that desktop Linux is now a better and safer working
environment than Windows is.
I never said it wasn't. What I said was it was harder to achieve
security standards compliance using it. The two are not the same.
The handicap is that the major third party
apps people are not developing their software for it
Well this is like rocket science. Limited market means its not
profitable to develop apps which means it does not achieve critical mass.
Dave
Alt-space in Windows 11 here (desktop focus), doesn't raise a response.
If CoPilot is hiding under the sofa cushions, it must have fallen asleep.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:Used to work in Windows too, but now looks as if AI Copilot has hijacked Alt-Space
Alt-space for the control menu, them M to move, then use arrows to
re- align the window into view.
I think that is the bunny. Yep that works on the MATE desktop at
least. I'll remember that...
On Wed, 10/8/2025 12:42 PM, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 08/10/2025 17:11, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:Used to work in Windows too, but now looks as if AI Copilot has hijacked Alt-Space
Alt-space for the control menu, them M to move, then use arrows to re- align the window into view.
I think that is the bunny. Yep that works on the MATE desktop at least. I'll remember that...
-aStill works for me - brings up the top left menu.
Alt-space in Windows 11 here (desktop focus), doesn't raise a response.
On 08/10/2025 22:45, David Wade wrote:
On 08/10/2025 17:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/10/2025 14:13, David Wade wrote:
On 08/10/2025 14:25, Joe wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 13:58:58 +0200
David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote:
Whereas Windows only needs Kerberos and LDAP, neither of which were
Windows in ubiquitous in a corporate setting because its easy to
centrally distribute, control and manage, and is sold and marketed as >>>>>> such. Whilst its possible to do this with Linux you need several
products from several vendors...
written by MS.
It actually needs much more those, but all the things you need come
on one DVD image that is supported on one phone number for one
inclusive price per desktop.
When you are trying to jump through the hoops of PCI, HIPAA, Common
Compliance, NIST and a 1001 other security and privacy standards
then having one supplier who delivers all the patches that you all
hate but which you need to install, measure , monitor and report on
to comply with those standards, makes desktop windows attractive.
As this guide to Linux patch managements says:-
https://tuxcare.com/blog/linux-patch-management/#item-3
"Unlike closed-source operating systems like Windows, Linux patching
can be a bit more unpredictable and complex. Open source has its
advantages, but one disadvantage is running an operating system
where changes are made by various contributors. Just one
incompatible change could affect your entire organization."
Must be written by some Microsoft employee. No one 'patches' Linux.
... of course you will all say you don-|t need to patch Linux but if
you want to retain the above compliences, and if you want to handle
credit card, health, government data, then you have to patch,
otherwise when your security auditor runs the penetration tests and
you fail its an issue.....
AS usual its all mandated by government who are paid by microsoft to
ensure nothing else meets the spec.
BTDTGTTS
And yet these are teh organisations who have regular million item
data breaches.
... of course its not easy on windows, but it is what it is, I amWell yes. We tried to bid for government/EU business once or twice,
just happy to be retired and not have to deal with it..
but it wasn't worth trying.
It was all stitched up so that only the people with massive
organisations able to correctly fill in 1000 page compliance
documents (written by the big companies consultants in the first
place) need apply.
However it hasn't stopped a few governments 'going Linux'
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/switzerland-mandates-government- agencies-use-open-source-software
https://www.lpi.org/value-of-certification/government/
- "South Korea switching their 3.3 million PCs to Linux
- "ItalyrCOs Ministry of Defense is pioneering the use of open-source
office tools by migrating 150,000 PCs to Libre Office (OK not linux,
but ...)
- "Indian GovernmentrCOs BOSS (Linux) operating system set to replace
Windows, ward off hackers
- "German State abandons Windows for Linux.
-Other examples of governments and government agencies that run on
Linux.
The U.S. Department of Defense
The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration
The U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration
The Government of Brazil
FrancerCOs national police force
FrancerCOs Ministry of Agriculture
The French Parliament
NASA
CERN
etc etc.
Perhaps they know something about security you don't, or perhaps
there is a fortune to be made advising them....
No, they are simply big enough to be able to build their own systems.
In the UK there are 371 independent local authorities. Whilst I have
been retired 10 years, as far as I know they all run a windows
infrastructure, probably because they don-|t have the teams to build a
Linux infrastructure.
The fact is that desktop Linux is now a better and safer working
environment than Windows is.
I never said it wasn't. What I said was it was harder to achieve
security standards compliance using it. The two are not the same.
The handicap is that the major third party
apps people are not developing their software for it
Well this is like rocket science. Limited market means its not
profitable to develop apps which means it does not achieve critical mass.
Dave
Oh and as for CERN ...
https://information-technology.web.cern.ch/about/organisation/compute-devices
"IT-CD-DPP supports Windows and macOS users, manages over 10000 Windows devices and provides Windows and macOS expertise, application deployment
and configuration management tools for local administrators across CERN,
as well as core productivity applications for Windows and macOS
including Microsoft Office and antivirus. We also provide Windows
terminal services and the underlying server infrastructure for device management and core applications. We aspire to facilitate coherent use
of core applications from any device and to gradually expand iOS and
Android support."
10,000 windows devices? Really?
Dave
On 08/10/2025 22:45, David Wade wrote:
On 08/10/2025 17:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/10/2025 14:13, David Wade wrote:
On 08/10/2025 14:25, Joe wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 13:58:58 +0200
David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote:
Whereas Windows only needs Kerberos and LDAP, neither of which were
Windows in ubiquitous in a corporate setting because its easy to
centrally distribute, control and manage, and is sold and marketed as >>>>>> such. Whilst its possible to do this with Linux you need several
products from several vendors...
written by MS.
It actually needs much more those, but all the things you need come
on one DVD image that is supported on one phone number for one
inclusive price per desktop.
When you are trying to jump through the hoops of PCI, HIPAA, Common
Compliance, NIST and a 1001 other security and privacy standards
then having one supplier who delivers all the patches that you all
hate but which you need to install, measure , monitor and report on
to comply with those standards, makes desktop windows attractive.
As this guide to Linux patch managements says:-
https://tuxcare.com/blog/linux-patch-management/#item-3
"Unlike closed-source operating systems like Windows, Linux patching
can be a bit more unpredictable and complex. Open source has its
advantages, but one disadvantage is running an operating system
where changes are made by various contributors. Just one
incompatible change could affect your entire organization."
Must be written by some Microsoft employee. No one 'patches' Linux.
... of course you will all say you don-|t need to patch Linux but if
you want to retain the above compliences, and if you want to handle
credit card, health, government data, then you have to patch,
otherwise when your security auditor runs the penetration tests and
you fail its an issue.....
AS usual its all mandated by government who are paid by microsoft to
ensure nothing else meets the spec.
BTDTGTTS
And yet these are teh organisations who have regular million item
data breaches.
... of course its not easy on windows, but it is what it is, I amWell yes. We tried to bid for government/EU business once or twice,
just happy to be retired and not have to deal with it..
but it wasn't worth trying.
It was all stitched up so that only the people with massive
organisations able to correctly fill in 1000 page compliance
documents (written by the big companies consultants in the first
place) need apply.
However it hasn't stopped a few governments 'going Linux'
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/switzerland-mandates-
government- agencies-use-open-source-software
https://www.lpi.org/value-of-certification/government/
- "South Korea switching their 3.3 million PCs to Linux
- "ItalyrCOs Ministry of Defense is pioneering the use of open-source
office tools by migrating 150,000 PCs to Libre Office (OK not linux,
but ...)
- "Indian GovernmentrCOs BOSS (Linux) operating system set to replace
Windows, ward off hackers
- "German State abandons Windows for Linux.
-Other examples of governments and government agencies that run on
Linux.
The U.S. Department of Defense
The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration
The U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration
The Government of Brazil
FrancerCOs national police force
FrancerCOs Ministry of Agriculture
The French Parliament
NASA
CERN
etc etc.
Perhaps they know something about security you don't, or perhaps
there is a fortune to be made advising them....
No, they are simply big enough to be able to build their own systems.
In the UK there are 371 independent local authorities. Whilst I have
been retired 10 years, as far as I know they all run a windows
infrastructure, probably because they don-|t have the teams to build a
Linux infrastructure.
The fact is that desktop Linux is now a better and safer working
environment than Windows is.
I never said it wasn't. What I said was it was harder to achieve
security standards compliance using it. The two are not the same.
The handicap is that the major third party
apps people are not developing their software for it
Well this is like rocket science. Limited market means its not
profitable to develop apps which means it does not achieve critical mass.
Dave
Oh and as for CERN ...
https://information-technology.web.cern.ch/about/organisation/compute- devices
"IT-CD-DPP supports Windows and macOS users, manages over 10000 Windows devices and provides Windows and macOS expertise, application deployment
and configuration management tools for local administrators across CERN,
as well as core productivity applications for Windows and macOS
including Microsoft Office and antivirus. We also provide Windows
terminal services and the underlying server infrastructure for device management and core applications. We aspire to facilitate coherent use
of core applications from any device and to gradually expand iOS and
Android support."
10,000 windows devices? Really?
On 09/10/2025 08:57, David Wade wrote:
On 08/10/2025 22:45, David Wade wrote:
On 08/10/2025 17:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/10/2025 14:13, David Wade wrote:
On 08/10/2025 14:25, Joe wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 13:58:58 +0200
David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote:
Whereas Windows only needs Kerberos and LDAP, neither of which were >>>>>> written by MS.
Windows in ubiquitous in a corporate setting because its easy to >>>>>>> centrally distribute, control and manage, and is sold and marketed as >>>>>>> such. Whilst its possible to do this with Linux you need several >>>>>>> products from several vendors...
It actually needs much more those, but all the things you need come on one DVD image that is supported on one phone number for one inclusive price per desktop.
When you are trying to jump through the hoops of PCI, HIPAA, Common Compliance, NIST and a 1001 other security and privacy standards then having one supplier who delivers all the patches that you all hate but which you need to install, measure , monitor and report on to comply with those standards, makes desktop windows attractive.
As this guide to Linux patch managements says:-
https://tuxcare.com/blog/linux-patch-management/#item-3
"Unlike closed-source operating systems like Windows, Linux patching can be a bit more unpredictable and complex. Open source has its advantages, but one disadvantage is running an operating system where changes are made by various contributors. Just one incompatible change could affect your entire organization."
Must be written by some Microsoft employee. No one 'patches' Linux.
... of course you will all say you don-|t need to patch Linux but if you want to retain the above compliences, and if you want to handle credit card, health, government data, then you have to patch, otherwise when your security auditor runs the penetration tests and you fail its an issue.....
AS usual its all mandated by government who are paid by microsoft to ensure nothing else meets the spec.
BTDTGTTS
And yet these are teh organisations who have regular million item data breaches.
... of course its not easy on windows, but it is what it is, I am just happy to be retired and not have to deal with it..Well yes. We tried to bid for government/EU business once or twice, but it wasn't worth trying.
It was all stitched up so that only the people with massive organisations able to correctly fill in 1000 page compliance documents (written by the big companies consultants in the first place) need apply.
However it hasn't stopped a few governments 'going Linux'
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/switzerland-mandates- government- agencies-use-open-source-software
https://www.lpi.org/value-of-certification/government/
- "South Korea switching their 3.3 million PCs to Linux
- "ItalyrCOs Ministry of Defense is pioneering the use of open-source office tools by migrating 150,000 PCs to Libre Office (OK not linux, but ...)
- "Indian GovernmentrCOs BOSS (Linux) operating system set to replace Windows, ward off hackers
- "German State abandons Windows for Linux.
-Other examples of governments and government agencies that run on Linux. >>>>
The U.S. Department of Defense
The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration
The U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration
The Government of Brazil
FrancerCOs national police force
FrancerCOs Ministry of Agriculture
The French Parliament
NASA
CERN
etc etc.
Perhaps they know something about security you don't, or perhaps there is a fortune to be made advising them....
No, they are simply big enough to be able to build their own systems. In the UK there are 371 independent local authorities. Whilst I have been retired 10 years, as far as I know they all run a windows infrastructure, probably because they don-|t have the teams to build a Linux infrastructure.
The fact is that desktop Linux is now a better and safer working environment than Windows is.
I never said it wasn't. What I said was it was harder to achieve security standards compliance using it. The two are not the same.
The handicap is that the major third party
apps people are not developing their software for it
Well this is like rocket science. Limited market means its not profitable to develop apps which means it does not achieve critical mass.
Dave
Oh and as for CERN ...
https://information-technology.web.cern.ch/about/organisation/compute- devices
"IT-CD-DPP supports Windows and macOS users, manages over 10000 Windows devices and provides Windows and macOS expertise, application deployment and configuration management tools for local administrators across CERN, as well as core productivity applications for Windows and macOS including Microsoft Office and antivirus. We also provide Windows terminal services and the underlying server infrastructure for device management and core applications. We aspire to facilitate coherent use of core applications from any device and to gradually expand iOS and Android support."
10,000 windows devices? Really?
Does it seem a bit low?-a Wiki says:
The acronym CERN is also used to refer to the laboratory; in 2023, it had 2666 scientific,
technical, and administrative staff members, and hosted about 12370 users from institutions in more than 80 countries."
Let's assume two thirds of those people use a Windows device...
Yes, roughly 10,000 devices.
On Thu, 10/9/2025 2:00 PM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 09/10/2025 08:57, David Wade wrote:
On 08/10/2025 22:45, David Wade wrote:
https://information-technology.web.cern.ch/about/organisation/compute- devices
"IT-CD-DPP supports Windows and macOS users, manages over 10000 Windows devices and provides Windows and macOS expertise, application deployment and configuration management tools for local administrators across CERN, as well as core productivity applications for Windows and macOS including Microsoft Office and antivirus. We also provide Windows terminal services and the underlying server infrastructure for device management and core applications. We aspire to facilitate coherent use of core applications from any device and to gradually expand iOS and Android support."
10,000 windows devices? Really?
Does it seem a bit low?-a Wiki says:
The acronym CERN is also used to refer to the laboratory; in 2023, it had 2666 scientific,
technical, and administrative staff members, and hosted about 12370 users from institutions in more than 80 countries."
Let's assume two thirds of those people use a Windows device...
Yes, roughly 10,000 devices.
This is their Windows Guy.
https://home.cern/sites/default/files/2018-06/img_0660.jpg
You know you're an important person, when "your desk is curved".
