• Do-it-yourself bankruptcy

    From Davey@davey@example.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 10:07:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    Interesting event at Morrison's yesterday. I bought stuff worth -u99,
    and went to the checkout, and asked for -u50 cash back. All well and
    good. But when the sum to be charged appeared on the terminal, it was
    for -u549. NO!! Much tapping of the checkout monitor screen and the
    involvement of a supervisor, who eventually returned with the Magic
    Number that cancelled the operation. Meanwhile, the queue behind me had
    grown, but it was clearly Morrison's problem, not mine.
    So, folks, if you don't already, always check the amount to be charged
    before you agree to it.
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    Davey.
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  • From Colin Macleod@user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 10:07:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> posted:

    Interesting event at Morrison's yesterday. I bought stuff worth -u99,
    and went to the checkout, and asked for -u50 cash back. All well and
    good. But when the sum to be charged appeared on the terminal, it was
    for -u549. NO!!

    A big difference like that is easy to notice. It's the smaller discrepancies that are more likely to slip through unnoticed, like the thing you picked up because it appeared to be on special offer but you got charged the full price. I try to make a habit of getting a receipt and checking through it before leaving the shop. EfoE
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  • From Davey@davey@example.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 11:54:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 04 Oct 2025 10:07:27 GMT
    Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> posted:

    Interesting event at Morrison's yesterday. I bought stuff worth -u99,
    and went to the checkout, and asked for -u50 cash back. All well and
    good. But when the sum to be charged appeared on the terminal, it
    was for -u549. NO!!

    A big difference like that is easy to notice. It's the smaller
    discrepancies that are more likely to slip through unnoticed, like
    the thing you picked up because it appeared to be on special offer
    but you got charged the full price. I try to make a habit of getting
    a receipt and checking through it before leaving the shop. EfoE

    I always get a receipt, but I don't always check it, and usually not
    before I get home, unless there is something clearly out of order.
    Every time I have checked, it has always been correct.
    I am always astounded that people do not always take a receipt, even
    more so for a charged purchase. ATMs often have a littering of
    discarded receipts scattered around on the floor. Machines do make
    mistakes, and they are much harder to complain about if you have no
    paperwork.
    --
    Davey.
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 13:16:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 04/10/2025 11:07, Colin Macleod wrote:
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> posted:

    Interesting event at Morrison's yesterday. I bought stuff worth -u99,
    and went to the checkout, and asked for -u50 cash back. All well and
    good. But when the sum to be charged appeared on the terminal, it was
    for -u549. NO!!

    A big difference like that is easy to notice. It's the smaller discrepancies that are more likely to slip through unnoticed, like the thing you picked up because it appeared to be on special offer but you got charged the full price.
    I try to make a habit of getting a receipt and checking through it before leaving the shop. EfoE


    That's the common overcharging method. Although buy one get one free now
    seems to have been banned for some items I've had quite a few instances
    where what is displayed on the shelf is not the same as charged at the
    tills.

    The big problem that I've seen in some retailers is with the contactless
    card reader where the card is read at the top of the machine. The
    retailer has the screen with the amount facing them and just presents
    the top back of the machine the customer. Worse is when the amount is
    typed in by the shop assistant and then hand held presented to the
    customer with the shop assistant covering the display. Most people seem
    to trust that the displayed amount is correct and just wave their card
    in the general direction of the card reader.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 13:36:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    alan_m wrote:

    Although buy one get one free now seems to have been banned for some items

    That only came into force this month ...

    <https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1368/regulation/5>

    Website seems to be struggling at the moment ...

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  • From RJH@patchmoney@gmx.com to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 13:15:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 4 Oct 2025 at 11:07:27 BST, Colin Macleod wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> posted:

    Interesting event at Morrison's yesterday. I bought stuff worth -u99,
    and went to the checkout, and asked for -u50 cash back. All well and
    good. But when the sum to be charged appeared on the terminal, it was
    for -u549. NO!!

    A big difference like that is easy to notice. It's the smaller discrepancies that are more likely to slip through unnoticed, like the thing you picked up because it appeared to be on special offer but you got charged the full price.
    I try to make a habit of getting a receipt and checking through it before leaving the shop. EfoE

    Lidl gives you a digital receipt - saves a lot of messing about, especially
    for returning things. So far, no problems with overcharging, or applying the layers of discounts.

    Sainsbury's doesn't. But I had to take something back the other day, and had lost the receipt. In fairness they did offer a gift voucher, but in the event, as I'd used the Nectar card, they had a record of the purchase and credited my bank account.
    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK
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  • From RJH@patchmoney@gmx.com to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 13:23:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 4 Oct 2025 at 13:36:01 BST, Andy Burns wrote:

    alan_m wrote:

    Although buy one get one free now seems to have been banned for some items

    That only came into force this month ...

    <https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1368/regulation/5>

    Website seems to be struggling at the moment ...

    I think this outlines the 'specified foods' affected:

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1368/schedule/1/made

    Oddly - to me - doesn't seem to apply to alcohol.
    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 14:32:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    RJH wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    <https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1368/regulation/5>

    I think this outlines the 'specified foods' affected:

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1368/schedule/1/made

    Oddly - to me - doesn't seem to apply to alcohol.

    HFSS = products high in fat, sugar or salt.


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  • From Indy Jess John@bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 14:58:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 04/10/2025 13:36, Andy Burns wrote:
    alan_m wrote:

    Although buy one get one free now seems to have been banned for some
    items

    That only came into force this month ...

    <https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1368/regulation/5>

    Website seems to be struggling at the moment ...

    5(3) is puzzling: "a multibuy promotion does not include a relevant
    special offer". How is that different from a multibuy which is a
    special offer?

    As a matter of interest, I was looking at the wine in Sainsbury's.
    There were a couple of special offers. One wine was offered "at Aldi
    price" and one as "Nectar Price". But there were a couple of wines
    labelled with a price with a "Part of Buy any 3 and get 25% off offer".

    I didn't bother looking for what else was in the "Buy any 3" collection
    (I only wanted 1 bottle) but is the labelling I saw a "relevant special
    offer" as 5(3) which is permitted, or a multibuy offer not allowed under
    5(2)?

    What is wrong with multibuys anyway? For non-perishables it made it a
    longer interval before replenishing, and for perishables it would be one
    for today and one for the freezer (or 2 for the freezer if it was a "3
    for the price of 2" offer). Either way, I got a better price for my
    multibuy than 2 (or 3) x single-price, so why am I being punished by
    this law update?

    Finally, if the shop took 3 identical bottles of wine, tied them
    together with a band printed with "[wine name] Multipack, and priced it
    at a price which is 3xsingle-25% as the multipack price, is it then
    legal to sell it as a single item? After all, cans of lager are
    normally sold in supermarkets in packs of 4 or 6, so why not wine? And
    can wine shops continue to advertise "A case of mixed red wines"?

    I would be interested in what others think.

    Jim


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  • From charles@charles@candehope.me.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 14:45:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    In article <10br6ku$2fvvj$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    On 4 Oct 2025 at 11:07:27 BST, Colin Macleod wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> posted:

    Interesting event at Morrison's yesterday. I bought stuff worth u99,
    and went to the checkout, and asked for u50 cash back. All well and
    good. But when the sum to be charged appeared on the terminal, it was
    for u549. NO!!

    A big difference like that is easy to notice. It's the smaller discrepancies that are more likely to slip through unnoticed, like the thing you picked up because it appeared to be on special offer but you
    got charged the full price. I try to make a habit of getting a receipt
    and checking through it before leaving the shop. #

    Lidl gives you a digital receipt - saves a lot of messing about,
    especially for returning things. So far, no problems with overcharging,
    or applying the layers of discounts.

    But, you need a paper one to exit through the gate after the "scan it yourself" area

    Sainsbury's doesn't. But I had to take something back the other day, and
    had lost the receipt. In fairness they did offer a gift voucher, but in
    the event, as I'd used the Nectar card, they had a record of the purchase
    and credited my bank account.

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  • From Davey@davey@example.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 15:48:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 13:15:10 -0000 (UTC)
    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    On 4 Oct 2025 at 11:07:27 BST, Colin Macleod wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> posted:

    Interesting event at Morrison's yesterday. I bought stuff worth
    -u99, and went to the checkout, and asked for -u50 cash back. All
    well and good. But when the sum to be charged appeared on the
    terminal, it was for -u549. NO!!

    A big difference like that is easy to notice. It's the smaller discrepancies that are more likely to slip through unnoticed, like
    the thing you picked up because it appeared to be on special offer
    but you got charged the full price. I try to make a habit of
    getting a receipt and checking through it before leaving the shop.
    EfoE

    Lidl gives you a digital receipt - saves a lot of messing about,
    especially for returning things. So far, no problems with
    overcharging, or applying the layers of discounts.

    How do you receive this digital receipt if you have no 'smart' device
    on you, or you cannot remember your e-mail address?
    --
    Davey.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 15:49:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    charles wrote:

    you need a paper one to exit through the gate after the "scan it
    yourself" area

    I've not been "imprisoned" by one of those barriers yet, I hope one of
    them doesn't catch me in a bad mood ...
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 16:47:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 04/10/2025 14:23, RJH wrote:
    On 4 Oct 2025 at 13:36:01 BST, Andy Burns wrote:

    alan_m wrote:

    Although buy one get one free now seems to have been banned for some items >>
    That only came into force this month ...

    <https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1368/regulation/5>

    Website seems to be struggling at the moment ...

    I think this outlines the 'specified foods' affected:

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1368/schedule/1/made

    Oddly - to me - doesn't seem to apply to alcohol.



    The buy one get one free is often not what it seems. The total price of
    a BOGOF in one supermarket is often exactly the same price that another supermarket charges for two off of the same item, but priced as single
    items. It's much the same as some supermarkets charging, say, -u2 for a single punnet of fruit but then offer buy 2 for -u3 whereas most other retailers are selling the punnet for -u1.50 or less.
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  • From RJH@patchmoney@gmx.com to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 16:01:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 4 Oct 2025 at 14:58:49 BST, Indy Jess John wrote:

    On 04/10/2025 13:36, Andy Burns wrote:
    alan_m wrote:

    Although buy one get one free now seems to have been banned for some
    items

    That only came into force this month ...

    <https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1368/regulation/5>

    Website seems to be struggling at the moment ...

    5(3) is puzzling: "a multibuy promotion does not include a relevant
    special offer". How is that different from a multibuy which is a
    special offer?

    As a matter of interest, I was looking at the wine in Sainsbury's.
    There were a couple of special offers. One wine was offered "at Aldi
    price" and one as "Nectar Price". But there were a couple of wines
    labelled with a price with a "Part of Buy any 3 and get 25% off offer".

    I didn't bother looking for what else was in the "Buy any 3" collection
    (I only wanted 1 bottle) but is the labelling I saw a "relevant special offer" as 5(3) which is permitted, or a multibuy offer not allowed under 5(2)?


    See my post above - 'specified foods' is what you should be looking for.

    What is wrong with multibuys anyway? For non-perishables it made it a
    longer interval before replenishing, and for perishables it would be one
    for today and one for the freezer (or 2 for the freezer if it was a "3
    for the price of 2" offer). Either way, I got a better price for my
    multibuy than 2 (or 3) x single-price, so why am I being punished by
    this law update?


    Some people are drawn to such offers, and that makes them consume more bad food/drink. In Scotland shop-bought alcohol went down by millions of litres a year when multiple product discounts were banned.

    Finally, if the shop took 3 identical bottles of wine, tied them
    together with a band printed with "[wine name] Multipack, and priced it
    at a price which is 3xsingle-25% as the multipack price, is it then
    legal to sell it as a single item? After all, cans of lager are
    normally sold in supermarkets in packs of 4 or 6, so why not wine? And
    can wine shops continue to advertise "A case of mixed red wines"?


    Yes.

    I would be interested in what others think.

    Jim
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 17:03:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 04/10/2025 14:58, Indy Jess John wrote:


    What is wrong with multibuys anyway? For non-perishables it made it a
    longer interval before replenishing, and for perishables it would be one
    for today and one for the freezer (or 2 for the freezer if it was a "3
    for the price of 2" offer). Either way, I got a better price for my
    multibuy than 2 (or 3) x single-price, so why am I being punished by
    this law update?
    Only if you are comparing the price in that one supermarket. You would probably find that the price of the single item elsewhere was your offer
    price divided by 3.

    I tend not to enter a Tesco these days but have noticed on the rare
    occasions when I do go in that they price certain items at a
    ridiculously high price but then offer a large discount for loyalty card carrying customers. I guess may people that shop only at Tesco have
    little knowledge of prices charged elsewhere and erroneously believe
    that they are saving money with their club card discounts.
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  • From RJH@patchmoney@gmx.com to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 16:04:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 4 Oct 2025 at 15:45:08 BST, charles wrote:

    In article <10br6ku$2fvvj$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    On 4 Oct 2025 at 11:07:27 BST, Colin Macleod wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> posted:

    Interesting event at Morrison's yesterday. I bought stuff worth -u99,
    and went to the checkout, and asked for -u50 cash back. All well and
    good. But when the sum to be charged appeared on the terminal, it was
    for -u549. NO!!

    A big difference like that is easy to notice. It's the smaller
    discrepancies that are more likely to slip through unnoticed, like the
    thing you picked up because it appeared to be on special offer but you
    got charged the full price. I try to make a habit of getting a receipt
    and checking through it before leaving the shop. #

    Lidl gives you a digital receipt - saves a lot of messing about,
    especially for returning things. So far, no problems with overcharging,
    or applying the layers of discounts.

    But, you need a paper one to exit through the gate after the "scan it yourself" area



    Blimey. Not reached my Sheffield shop yet, thankfully.

    I'm surprised you can't scan your way out of your local Lidl. The receipts appear in the app almost instantly.
    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK
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  • From RJH@patchmoney@gmx.com to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 16:05:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 4 Oct 2025 at 15:48:08 BST, Davey wrote:

    Lidl gives you a digital receipt - saves a lot of messing about,
    especially for returning things. So far, no problems with
    overcharging, or applying the layers of discounts.

    How do you receive this digital receipt if you have no 'smart' device
    on you, or you cannot remember your e-mail address?

    Ah yes, good point. You need their app. So in those cases, you can't.
    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 17:10:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 04/10/2025 15:45, charles wrote:

    But, you need a paper one to exit through the gate after the "scan it yourself" area

    If you opt for a digital receipt in my local Lidl the self service tills
    just give you a small payment receipt where one line says you paid for x items. The detailed breakdown of the items purchased, prices etc. are
    in the app on the smartphone.
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 17:22:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 04/10/2025 15:48, Davey wrote:
    On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 13:15:10 -0000 (UTC)
    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

    On 4 Oct 2025 at 11:07:27 BST, Colin Macleod wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> posted:

    Interesting event at Morrison's yesterday. I bought stuff worth
    -u99, and went to the checkout, and asked for -u50 cash back. All
    well and good. But when the sum to be charged appeared on the
    terminal, it was for -u549. NO!!

    A big difference like that is easy to notice. It's the smaller
    discrepancies that are more likely to slip through unnoticed, like
    the thing you picked up because it appeared to be on special offer
    but you got charged the full price. I try to make a habit of
    getting a receipt and checking through it before leaving the shop.
    EfoE

    Lidl gives you a digital receipt - saves a lot of messing about,
    especially for returning things. So far, no problems with
    overcharging, or applying the layers of discounts.

    How do you receive this digital receipt if you have no 'smart' device
    on you, or you cannot remember your e-mail address?


    If no mobile smart phone then no digital receipt and you get a paper
    receipt. It's the app on the smart phone that gives you the option to
    request a digital receipt. If you don't opt in to digital receipts on
    the smart phone you get a paper receipt. If you don't have the smart
    phone app the you probably get no offers such as spend -u250 a calendar
    month and get 10% your next shop (valid for around a week or less).
    Often, via the app, Lidl target discounts on what you buy regularly. My
    last offer was 15% off the 2 litres of milk I buy on a regular basis.

    Lidl don't offer a digital receipt via email.
    --
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  • From Indy Jess John@bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 17:26:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 04/10/2025 16:47, alan_m wrote:
    On 04/10/2025 14:23, RJH wrote:
    On 4 Oct 2025 at 13:36:01 BST, Andy Burns wrote:

    alan_m wrote:

    Although buy one get one free now seems to have been banned for some
    items

    That only came into force this month ...

    <https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1368/regulation/5>

    Website seems to be struggling at the moment ...

    I think this outlines the 'specified foods' affected:

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1368/schedule/1/made

    Oddly - to me - doesn't seem to apply to alcohol.



    The buy one get one free is often not what it seems.-a The total price of
    a BOGOF in one supermarket is often exactly the same price that another supermarket charges for two off of the same item, but priced as single items.-a It's much the same as some supermarkets charging, say, -u2 for a single punnet of fruit but then offer buy 2 for -u3 whereas most other retailers are selling the punnet for -u1.50 or less.

    It can be even worse than that. I have seen a "buy one, get one free"
    offer where the price per given weight for a larger size works out
    cheaper than for the offer.

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  • From Indy Jess John@bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 17:28:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 04/10/2025 17:01, RJH wrote:
    On 4 Oct 2025 at 14:58:49 BST, Indy Jess John wrote:

    On 04/10/2025 13:36, Andy Burns wrote:
    alan_m wrote:

    Although buy one get one free now seems to have been banned for some
    items

    That only came into force this month ...

    <https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1368/regulation/5>

    Website seems to be struggling at the moment ...

    5(3) is puzzling: "a multibuy promotion does not include a relevant
    special offer". How is that different from a multibuy which is a
    special offer?

    As a matter of interest, I was looking at the wine in Sainsbury's.
    There were a couple of special offers. One wine was offered "at Aldi
    price" and one as "Nectar Price". But there were a couple of wines
    labelled with a price with a "Part of Buy any 3 and get 25% off offer".

    I didn't bother looking for what else was in the "Buy any 3" collection
    (I only wanted 1 bottle) but is the labelling I saw a "relevant special
    offer" as 5(3) which is permitted, or a multibuy offer not allowed under
    5(2)?


    See my post above - 'specified foods' is what you should be looking for.

    What is wrong with multibuys anyway? For non-perishables it made it a
    longer interval before replenishing, and for perishables it would be one
    for today and one for the freezer (or 2 for the freezer if it was a "3
    for the price of 2" offer). Either way, I got a better price for my
    multibuy than 2 (or 3) x single-price, so why am I being punished by
    this law update?


    Some people are drawn to such offers, and that makes them consume more bad food/drink. In Scotland shop-bought alcohol went down by millions of litres a year when multiple product discounts were banned.

    Finally, if the shop took 3 identical bottles of wine, tied them
    together with a band printed with "[wine name] Multipack, and priced it
    at a price which is 3xsingle-25% as the multipack price, is it then
    legal to sell it as a single item? After all, cans of lager are
    normally sold in supermarkets in packs of 4 or 6, so why not wine? And
    can wine shops continue to advertise "A case of mixed red wines"?


    Yes.

    I would be interested in what others think.

    Jim

    Thanks. It makes sense now that I have read your post above.

    Jim

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  • From Indy Jess John@bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 17:51:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 04/10/2025 17:03, alan_m wrote:
    On 04/10/2025 14:58, Indy Jess John wrote:


    What is wrong with multibuys anyway? For non-perishables it made it a
    longer interval before replenishing, and for perishables it would be
    one for today and one for the freezer (or 2 for the freezer if it was
    a "3 for the price of 2" offer). Either way, I got a better price for
    my multibuy than 2 (or 3) x single-price, so why am I being punished
    by this law update?
    Only if you are comparing the price in that one supermarket.-a You would probably find that the price of the single item elsewhere was your offer price divided by 3.

    I tend not to enter a Tesco these days but have noticed on the rare occasions when I do go in that they price certain items at a
    ridiculously high price but then offer a large discount for loyalty card carrying customers. I guess may people that shop only at Tesco have
    little knowledge of prices charged elsewhere and erroneously believe
    that they are saving money with their club card discounts.

    Some years ago (when my Mum was still alive) we were visiting her, and
    she got a mailshot through her letterbox saying that a new Tesco had
    opened and their prices were the cheapest in the area.

    So I suggested we drove there and took a look. I watched the distance
    clock up on my speedometer, and it was nearly 10 miles away. We got a
    trolley and went up and down every aisle. Now my Mum used to work in a grocers shop before she retired, and this was in the days when customers served themselves and before barcodes became readable at the checkout.
    So the person on the till had to look at the price stuck on each product
    or memorise them, and enter them in the till.

    Mum had an excellent memory. Although after she retired and moved to
    her new address, she was then a shop's customer not a member of staff,
    she went round shops adding up the prices in her head so that she knew
    by the time she got to the checkout what the bill would be.

    So we went round the whole Tesco product range and Mum was saying "I can
    get that cheaper back home" to nearly everything, and if it was the same
    price she was going to buy it in her local shops out of loyalty. We
    went round this big supermarket and the only thing that Tesco did
    cheaper was a block of strong cheese. So our big trolley arrived at the checkout with just one item. Mum, being Mum, had taken along the flier
    she had received, and pointed out to the checkout person that it was
    supposed to be the cheapest in the area, and it wasn't. The only thing
    cheaper is in the trolley. The one item was paid for, and full marks to
    the checkout person, the Manager was called over to explain the flier. Apparently "The area" was a 5-mile radius and Mum's shops were beyond
    that distance.

    Since then, I have always treated Tesco's claims as being suspect. It
    is not a shop I frequent.

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  • From David Wade@dave@g4ugm.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 19:35:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 04/10/2025 16:48, Davey wrote:
    On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 13:15:10 -0000 (UTC)
    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

    On 4 Oct 2025 at 11:07:27 BST, Colin Macleod wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> posted:

    Interesting event at Morrison's yesterday. I bought stuff worth
    -u99, and went to the checkout, and asked for -u50 cash back. All
    well and good. But when the sum to be charged appeared on the
    terminal, it was for -u549. NO!!

    A big difference like that is easy to notice. It's the smaller
    discrepancies that are more likely to slip through unnoticed, like
    the thing you picked up because it appeared to be on special offer
    but you got charged the full price. I try to make a habit of
    getting a receipt and checking through it before leaving the shop.
    EfoE

    Lidl gives you a digital receipt - saves a lot of messing about,
    especially for returning things. So far, no problems with
    overcharging, or applying the layers of discounts.

    How do you receive this digital receipt if you have no 'smart' device
    on you, or you cannot remember your e-mail address?

    you don-|t , you get a paper one, and you can have a paper one if you
    want anyway, its a switch in the app..

    ... but unlike Sainsbury's or Tesco if you don-|t have a Smart device you can-|t get a Lidl Plus card, and you can only get the "Normal" prices.

    So I see this week Belgium Buns are -u2.37 for 3 without Lidl Plus, or
    -u1.58 with the app. I know you need to buy a quite a few buns to buy a
    smart phone but just wanted to show how we are both been exploited...

    Dave
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  • From fred@not@for.mail to uk.d-i-y on Sat Oct 4 20:50:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in news:mkcqfhF7osmU1 @mid.individual.net:

    charles wrote:

    you need a paper one to exit through the gate after the "scan it
    yourself" area

    I've not been "imprisoned" by one of those barriers yet, I hope one of
    them doesn't catch me in a bad mood ...


    Just push through, they do 'give'. They do alarm but who cares. Becoming
    more common in Lidls these days although I have seen them in a large Sainsbury's near me too.

    Since we're both on UKLM I feel a rant on false imprisonment coming on.
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  • From me9@me9@privacy.net to uk.d-i-y on Sun Oct 5 00:53:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I tend not to enter a Tesco these days but have noticed on the rare
    occasions when I do go in that they price certain items at a ridiculously high price but then offer a large discount for loyalty card carrying customers. I guess may people that shop only at Tesco have little
    knowledge of prices charged elsewhere and erroneously believe that they
    are saving money with their club card discounts.

    I have stopped shopping at Tescos as the clucard price seems to apply only
    to necessities that I end up buying elsewhere. I've started avoiding Sainsbury's for similar reasons.
    --
    braind
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  • From Davey@davey@example.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Sun Oct 5 01:16:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 19:35:01 +0200
    David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> wrote:
    On 04/10/2025 16:48, Davey wrote:
    On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 13:15:10 -0000 (UTC)
    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

    On 4 Oct 2025 at 11:07:27 BST, Colin Macleod wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> posted:

    Interesting event at Morrison's yesterday. I bought stuff worth
    -u99, and went to the checkout, and asked for -u50 cash back. All
    well and good. But when the sum to be charged appeared on the
    terminal, it was for -u549. NO!!

    A big difference like that is easy to notice. It's the smaller
    discrepancies that are more likely to slip through unnoticed, like
    the thing you picked up because it appeared to be on special offer
    but you got charged the full price. I try to make a habit of
    getting a receipt and checking through it before leaving the shop.
    EfoE

    Lidl gives you a digital receipt - saves a lot of messing about,
    especially for returning things. So far, no problems with
    overcharging, or applying the layers of discounts.

    How do you receive this digital receipt if you have no 'smart'
    device on you, or you cannot remember your e-mail address?

    you don-|t , you get a paper one, and you can have a paper one if you
    want anyway, its a switch in the app..

    ... but unlike Sainsbury's or Tesco if you don-|t have a Smart device
    you can-|t get a Lidl Plus card, and you can only get the "Normal"
    prices.

    So I see this week Belgium Buns are -u2.37 for 3 without Lidl Plus, or -u1.58 with the app. I know you need to buy a quite a few buns to buy
    a smart phone but just wanted to show how we are both been
    exploited...

    Dave
    So if I don't have a 'smart phone, I can't get discounts at Lidl?
    Another reason not to shop there.
    --
    Davey.
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  • From Davey@davey@example.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Sun Oct 5 01:20:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 17:51:51 +0100
    Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
    On 04/10/2025 17:03, alan_m wrote:
    On 04/10/2025 14:58, Indy Jess John wrote:


    What is wrong with multibuys anyway? For non-perishables it made
    it a longer interval before replenishing, and for perishables it
    would be one for today and one for the freezer (or 2 for the
    freezer if it was a "3 for the price of 2" offer). Either way, I
    got a better price for my multibuy than 2 (or 3) x single-price,
    so why am I being punished by this law update?
    Only if you are comparing the price in that one supermarket.-a You
    would probably find that the price of the single item elsewhere was
    your offer price divided by 3.

    I tend not to enter a Tesco these days but have noticed on the rare occasions when I do go in that they price certain items at a
    ridiculously high price but then offer a large discount for loyalty
    card carrying customers. I guess may people that shop only at Tesco
    have little knowledge of prices charged elsewhere and erroneously
    believe that they are saving money with their club card discounts.

    Some years ago (when my Mum was still alive) we were visiting her,
    and she got a mailshot through her letterbox saying that a new Tesco
    had opened and their prices were the cheapest in the area.

    So I suggested we drove there and took a look. I watched the
    distance clock up on my speedometer, and it was nearly 10 miles away.
    We got a trolley and went up and down every aisle. Now my Mum used
    to work in a grocers shop before she retired, and this was in the
    days when customers served themselves and before barcodes became
    readable at the checkout. So the person on the till had to look at
    the price stuck on each product or memorise them, and enter them in
    the till.

    Mum had an excellent memory. Although after she retired and moved to
    her new address, she was then a shop's customer not a member of
    staff, she went round shops adding up the prices in her head so that
    she knew by the time she got to the checkout what the bill would be.

    So we went round the whole Tesco product range and Mum was saying "I
    can get that cheaper back home" to nearly everything, and if it was
    the same price she was going to buy it in her local shops out of
    loyalty. We went round this big supermarket and the only thing that
    Tesco did cheaper was a block of strong cheese. So our big trolley
    arrived at the checkout with just one item. Mum, being Mum, had
    taken along the flier she had received, and pointed out to the
    checkout person that it was supposed to be the cheapest in the area,
    and it wasn't. The only thing cheaper is in the trolley. The one
    item was paid for, and full marks to the checkout person, the Manager
    was called over to explain the flier. Apparently "The area" was a
    5-mile radius and Mum's shops were beyond that distance.

    Since then, I have always treated Tesco's claims as being suspect.
    It is not a shop I frequent.

    In our town, there is no Lidl, and the standard procedure of large
    numbers of shoppers is to go to Morrison's first, then go next door to
    Tesco's for the few items that weren't available at Morrison's.
    --
    Davey.
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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to uk.d-i-y on Sun Oct 5 01:51:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 04/10/2025 15:45, charles wrote:
    In article <10br6ku$2fvvj$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    On 4 Oct 2025 at 11:07:27 BST, Colin Macleod wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> posted:

    Interesting event at Morrison's yesterday. I bought stuff worth -u99,
    and went to the checkout, and asked for -u50 cash back. All well and
    good. But when the sum to be charged appeared on the terminal, it was
    for -u549. NO!!

    A big difference like that is easy to notice. It's the smaller
    discrepancies that are more likely to slip through unnoticed, like the
    thing you picked up because it appeared to be on special offer but you
    got charged the full price. I try to make a habit of getting a receipt
    and checking through it before leaving the shop. #

    Lidl gives you a digital receipt - saves a lot of messing about,
    especially for returning things. So far, no problems with overcharging,
    or applying the layers of discounts.

    But, you need a paper one to exit through the gate after the "scan it yourself" area

    Trying to get out of a supermarket when you are not buying anything can
    be harder than getting through airport security
    --
    Sam Plusnet
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sun Oct 5 02:57:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 05/10/2025 01:16, Davey wrote:


    So if I don't have a 'smart phone, I can't get discounts at Lidl?
    Another reason not to shop there.


    True but lidl/aldi tend to be much cheaper than the other main
    supermarkets even without any additional discounts. The app offers me discounts on a few products each week but it doesn't persuade me to buy
    items I don't usually buy. The offers are often only valid for a few
    days and even if it's something I usually buy it doesn't persuade me to
    visit more regularly. I may take advantage of perhaps 2 or 3 offers a
    month giving perhaps 10% off each item. Lidl don't do the double pricing
    game (-u2 for 1 punnet of fruit but -u3 for 2 punnets - they will price at -u1.50 for one)

    Even though the traditional main supermarkets claim to price match
    aldi/lidl prices it is only on a small selection of items.

    You will probably find soon all loyalty cards becoming digital so you
    will lose out in every supermarket without a smart phone.

    It may be culture shock if you have never shopped in aldi/Lidl before
    and you will not find shelves packed with 200 different varieties of
    baked beans. There may be only one own brand on the shelf. In many cases
    I've found what they sell to be better quality than some of the UK
    leading brands. There is a good reason why the German supermarkets have
    become popular and it's not just price.
    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
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  • From Handsome Jack@jack@handsome.com to uk.d-i-y on Sun Oct 5 08:10:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 19:35:01 +0200, David Wade wrote:

    you don-|t , you get a paper one, and you can have a paper one if you
    want anyway, its a switch in the app..

    ... but unlike Sainsbury's or Tesco if you don-|t have a Smart device you can-|t get a Lidl Plus card, and you can only get the "Normal" prices.




    Moreover the Lidl app is quite choosy - it doesn't work on my wife's
    ageing iPhone. You'd have thought they'd want to make it as accessible as possible.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sun Oct 5 10:42:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    fred wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:
    I've not been "imprisoned" by one of those barriers yet, I hope one of
    them doesn't catch me in a bad mood ...

    Just push through, they do 'give'. They do alarm but who cares

    That's what I expected, the ASDA ones show how to push them open, not
    clear how the Morrisons "star trek" type open though ...

    Since we're both on UKLM I feel a rant on false imprisonment coming on.

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  • From Joe@joe@jretrading.com to uk.d-i-y on Sun Oct 5 14:23:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 02:57:54 +0100
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 05/10/2025 01:16, Davey wrote:


    So if I don't have a 'smart phone, I can't get discounts at Lidl?
    Another reason not to shop there.


    True but lidl/aldi tend to be much cheaper than the other main
    supermarkets even without any additional discounts. The app offers
    me discounts on a few products each week but it doesn't persuade me
    to buy items I don't usually buy. The offers are often only valid for
    a few days and even if it's something I usually buy it doesn't
    persuade me to visit more regularly. I may take advantage of perhaps
    2 or 3 offers a month giving perhaps 10% off each item. Lidl don't do
    the double pricing game (-u2 for 1 punnet of fruit but -u3 for 2
    punnets - they will price at -u1.50 for one)

    Even though the traditional main supermarkets claim to price match
    aldi/lidl prices it is only on a small selection of items.

    You will probably find soon all loyalty cards becoming digital so
    you will lose out in every supermarket without a smart phone.
    Then they won't work as loyalty cards any more. I've had a 'smart'
    phone for a few years (donated, not bought) but I refuse to fill it up
    with software of unknown provenance. I hate trying to use the Internet
    on such an awful device, but I'll do that in preference to adding a
    company's spyware to my phone.

    It may be culture shock if you have never shopped in aldi/Lidl before
    and you will not find shelves packed with 200 different varieties of
    baked beans. There may be only one own brand on the shelf. In many
    cases I've found what they sell to be better quality than some of the
    UK leading brands. There is a good reason why the German supermarkets
    have become popular and it's not just price.

    It's mostly just price. Yes, some things are better, some are worse but
    it only takes one try to find out which. Aldi does a fake Hobgoblin
    cheaper than the real thing and pretty much as good. Lidl does an
    instant decaf coffee which my wife pronounces about the best available,
    I don't drink coffee.
    --
    Joe
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sun Oct 5 20:01:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 05/10/2025 14:23, Joe wrote:

    It's mostly just price. Yes, some things are better, some are worse but
    it only takes one try to find out which.

    It's the same with any supermarket or even "brands" especially if
    labelled new and improved. Mr Kipling doesn't make good quality cakes,
    Aunt Bessie doesn't produce everything in her farmhouse kitchen with
    unchanged recipes passed down through generations. Items promoted by celebrity chefs are so packed so full of salt you would be able to tell
    if they had used any quality ingredients. Some things are down to
    personal taste but all supermarkets sell a mix of what I consider to be
    crap, some medium quality items and some higher quality items. Price
    sometimes is not an indicator of quality.


    Aldi does a fake Hobgoblin
    cheaper than the real thing and pretty much as good. Lidl does an
    instant decaf coffee which my wife pronounces about the best available,
    I don't drink coffee

    There have been TV programs where the lidl/aldi versions of items have
    been compared with leading brands in blind tasting tests. The German supermarket goods faired well.
    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
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  • From charles@charles@candehope.me.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sun Oct 5 20:15:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    In article <mkftk0FnlefU1@mid.individual.net>,
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 05/10/2025 14:23, Joe wrote:

    It's mostly just price. Yes, some things are better, some are worse but
    it only takes one try to find out which.

    It's the same with any supermarket or even "brands" especially if
    labelled new and improved. Mr Kipling doesn't make good quality cakes,
    Aunt Bessie doesn't produce everything in her farmhouse kitchen with unchanged recipes passed down through generations. Items promoted by celebrity chefs are so packed so full of salt you would be able to tell
    if they had used any quality ingredients. Some things are down to
    personal taste but all supermarkets sell a mix of what I consider to be crap, some medium quality items and some higher quality items. Price sometimes is not an indicator of quality.


    Aldi does a fake Hobgoblin
    cheaper than the real thing and pretty much as good. Lidl does an
    instant decaf coffee which my wife pronounces about the best available,
    I don't drink coffee

    There have been TV programs where the lidl/aldi versions of items have
    been compared with leading brands in blind tasting tests. The German supermarket goods faired well.

    my wife ended up throwing away the Lidl de-caf instant coffee. Apparently,
    it tasted disgusting. Gold Blend Decaf (if you can find it) is actually drinkable.
    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4to#
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
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  • From Joe@joe@jretrading.com to uk.d-i-y on Sun Oct 5 21:23:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 05 Oct 25 20:15:03 UTC
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <mkftk0FnlefU1@mid.individual.net>,
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 05/10/2025 14:23, Joe wrote:

    It's mostly just price. Yes, some things are better, some are
    worse but it only takes one try to find out which.

    It's the same with any supermarket or even "brands" especially if
    labelled new and improved. Mr Kipling doesn't make good quality
    cakes, Aunt Bessie doesn't produce everything in her farmhouse
    kitchen with unchanged recipes passed down through generations.
    Items promoted by celebrity chefs are so packed so full of salt you
    would be able to tell if they had used any quality ingredients.
    Some things are down to personal taste but all supermarkets sell a
    mix of what I consider to be crap, some medium quality items and
    some higher quality items. Price sometimes is not an indicator of
    quality.


    Aldi does a fake Hobgoblin
    cheaper than the real thing and pretty much as good. Lidl does an
    instant decaf coffee which my wife pronounces about the best
    available, I don't drink coffee

    There have been TV programs where the lidl/aldi versions of items
    have been compared with leading brands in blind tasting tests. The
    German supermarket goods faired well.

    my wife ended up throwing away the Lidl de-caf instant coffee.
    Apparently, it tasted disgusting. Gold Blend Decaf (if you can find
    it) is actually drinkable.


    Gold Blend is Nescafe, isn't it? That's the one my wife likes least. A
    matter of taste, though not that it matters, the Lidl Gold has come out
    well in a Telegraph test some time ago.
    --
    Joe

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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sun Oct 5 23:18:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 05/10/2025 21:15, charles wrote:


    my wife ended up throwing away the Lidl de-caf instant coffee. Apparently,
    it tasted disgusting. Gold Blend Decaf (if you can find it) is actually drinkable.


    I've never found an de-caffeinated coffee to be drinkable :)

    Which Gold Blend? There is more than one brand with a "gold blend" -
    it's just a generic name. Even Lidl do a Gold Blend own brand coffee.

    I've also yet to find a 0% alcohol beer that I like.
    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Mon Oct 6 09:38:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 05 Oct 2025 20:42:13 +1100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    fred wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:
    I've not been "imprisoned" by one of those barriers yet, I hope one
    of
    them doesn't catch me in a bad mood ...
    Just push through, they do 'give'. They do alarm but who cares

    That's what I expected, the ASDA ones show how to push them open, not
    clear how the Morrisons "star trek" type open though ...

    One pommy nut cast expat here who is also a nudist, carrys
    a battery angle grinder with her at all times when on a train
    because our latest suburban trains in Sydney only allow the
    pax to open the doors manually when central control allows
    that even if the train has crashed.

    The trains are done like in case the crash has brought down
    the overhead power line and that has not tripped automatically

    Since we're both on UKLM I feel a rant on false imprisonment coming on.
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  • From wasbit@wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Mon Oct 6 09:46:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 05/10/2025 20:01, alan_m wrote:
    On 05/10/2025 14:23, Joe wrote:

    It's mostly just price. Yes, some things are better, some are worse but
    it only takes one try to find out which.

    It's the same with any supermarket or even "brands" especially if
    labelled new and improved. Mr Kipling doesn't make good quality cakes,
    Aunt Bessie doesn't produce everything in her farmhouse kitchen with unchanged recipes passed down through generations.-a Items promoted by celebrity chefs are so packed so full of salt you would be able to tell
    if they had used any quality ingredients. Some things are down to
    personal taste but all supermarkets sell a mix of what I consider to be crap, some medium quality items and some higher quality items. Price sometimes is not an indicator of quality.



    When we find something we like they go & change the recipe. This then
    involves extended shopping trips & taste tests to find the next least
    worst option.
    New &/or improved is marketing hype for we have found a way to make the product cheaper at the expense of the customer.


    Aldi does a fake Hobgoblin
    cheaper than the real thing and pretty much as good. Lidl does an
    instant decaf coffee which my wife pronounces about the best available,
    I don't drink coffee

    There have been TV programs where the lidl/aldi versions of items have
    been compared with leading brands in blind tasting tests. The German supermarket goods faired well.


    --
    Regards
    wasbit
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  • From Indy Jess John@bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com to uk.d-i-y on Mon Oct 6 10:36:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 06/10/2025 09:46, wasbit wrote:


    When we find something we like they go & change the recipe. This then involves extended shopping trips & taste tests to find the next least
    worst option.
    New &/or improved is marketing hype for we have found a way to make the product cheaper at the expense of the customer.

    I did once get an "improvement" reversed.

    For many years, Cheeselet biscuits has been my "picky-bits" of choice at Christmas, and one year the old favourite was on the shelves as "New,
    Improved Recipe" Cheeselets. So I bought them.

    To my palate, they tasted awful. So I wrote to the address on the
    container explaining that there was nothing wrong with the expiry date
    or the packaging but describing the contents as "Improved" was a
    complete misnomer. They tasted nothing like how they used to taste, and thanks for the disappointment I experienced at Christmas. You have just
    lost a customer.

    I clearly wasn't the only one. Those "Improved" products stayed on the shelves for ages. However, around late summer, alongside the "Improved" version remnants of stock appeared another item marked "Original
    Recipe". I bought one out of curiosity, and they were the original
    taste back again. Approaching Christmas, the original recipe version
    was replaced by Treeslets - the same original flavour in the shape of Christmas trees. The Improved" recipe has never been seen since.

    Jim



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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Mon Oct 6 11:38:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 06/10/2025 10:36, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 06/10/2025 09:46, wasbit wrote:


    When we find something we like they go & change the recipe. This then
    involves extended shopping trips & taste tests to find the next least
    worst option.
    New &/or improved is marketing hype for we have found a way to make
    the product cheaper at the expense of the customer.

    I did once get an "improvement" reversed.

    For many years, Cheeselet biscuits has been my "picky-bits" of choice at Christmas, and one year the old favourite was on the shelves as "New, Improved Recipe" Cheeselets.-a So I bought them.

    To my palate, they tasted awful.-a So I wrote to the address on the container explaining that there was nothing wrong with the expiry date
    or the packaging but describing the contents as "Improved" was a
    complete misnomer.-a They tasted nothing like how they used to taste, and thanks for the disappointment I experienced at Christmas.-a You have just lost a customer.

    I clearly wasn't the only one.-a Those "Improved" products stayed on the shelves for ages.-a However, around late summer, alongside the "Improved" version remnants of stock appeared another item marked "Original
    Recipe".-a I bought one out of curiosity, and they were the original
    taste back again.-a Approaching Christmas, the original recipe version
    was replaced by Treeslets - the same original flavour in the shape of Christmas trees.-a The Improved" recipe has never been seen since.

    But things like Original Coca-Cola are nothing like the original. Is it
    any more than sugar water with burnt sugar colouring these days? Where
    is the the Cocaine? :)
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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to uk.d-i-y on Mon Oct 6 20:37:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 06/10/2025 09:46, wasbit wrote:
    On 05/10/2025 20:01, alan_m wrote:
    On 05/10/2025 14:23, Joe wrote:

    It's mostly just price. Yes, some things are better, some are worse but
    it only takes one try to find out which.

    It's the same with any supermarket or even "brands" especially if
    labelled new and improved. Mr Kipling doesn't make good quality cakes,
    Aunt Bessie doesn't produce everything in her farmhouse kitchen with
    unchanged recipes passed down through generations.-a Items promoted by
    celebrity chefs are so packed so full of salt you would be able to
    tell if they had used any quality ingredients. Some things are down to
    personal taste but all supermarkets sell a mix of what I consider to
    be crap, some medium quality items and some higher quality items.
    Price sometimes is not an indicator of quality.



    When we find something we like they go & change the recipe. This then involves extended shopping trips & taste tests to find the next least
    worst option.
    New &/or improved is marketing hype for we have found a way to make the product cheaper at the expense of the customer.

    Alternatively they simply stop making it altogether.

    The older you are, the greater the number of your 'staple' items which
    have gone the way of the Dodo.
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