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A 300kt weapon detonating at 100 miles altitude over the centre of the
North Sea will wipe out most of the electronics in the UK, NW Europe, and parts of Scandinavia, especially if the weapon is designed for EMP.
On 01/10/2025 14:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:55, GB wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:42, Mark Carver wrote:Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood and
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could
vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear
holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial phase.
Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly* happened
for real.
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:Bullshit
On 01/10/2025 14:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:55, GB wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:42, Mark Carver wrote:
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could
vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear
holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial phase.
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood and
Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly* happened
for real.
rCL1983rCaBrink of ApocalypserCY
On 01/10/2025 14:19, Joe wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2025 12:44:55 +0100
HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
On 30 Sep 2025, No mail wrote
Timatmarford wrote:
Message from Germany to say that News.Individual.NET will
discontinue service from September 2027!
Oh well. Two more years. Might see me out!
Yes, I got the same message. I only use it for this group but it's
been particularly good because very little of the carp gets
through their filters, and the few odd-bods that do are easily
hidden with local filtering.
What are the alternatives?
I've used eternal-september (www.eternal-september.org) for many
years. It's had the occasional (very rare) glitch, but they've
invariably been cleared up quite quickly.
It's free, but you have to register with them (can be done online).
Doesn't do binaries -- text groups only.
The problem with anything free that doesn't get revenue from adverts is
that it can disappear with little notice.
Same applies for services *with* adverts, like IMDb's discussion groups. (Fortunately MovieChat [ https://moviechat.org ] "scraped" all the data).
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 01:42:28 +1000, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 01/10/2025 14:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:55, GB wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:42, Mark Carver wrote:
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could
vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear
holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial phase.
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood and >>> Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly* happened
for real.
o1983iBrink of Apocalypseo
Bullshit
On Tue, 9/30/2025 9:38 AM, Theo wrote:
I suggest that anyone subscribed to NIN creates an account at Eternal
September, at least as an interim measure. Maybe there are better options, >> but it will cost nothing, take a few minutes and mean your connection isn't >> interrupted when NIN shuts down. You can set it up in your news software to >> migrate over.
With Solani and E-S, the account closes if you don't use it once in a while. Maybe you could read USENET posts once a month, on your backup-server, to keep your account alive. The interval for this on E-S might be a bit longer (before a non-active account is closed). Just successfully authenticating with the server, should keep the account alive.
Paganini doesn't use an account. For the administrator of it, managing
that thing is just as difficult as managing AIOE was.
News.Mixmin.net doesn't use an account, but it is also out of
service occasionally and is not really a high speed/high availability
server. The only time I post through there, is when testing
whether the server is running, for someone.
AIOE didn't use an account, but it got wiped out one day,
and while initially it looked like a RAID failure, we
don't really know whether someone got into it and tipped it over.
When you rent a server in a COLO, "making backups" is tough.
Making a backup of a USENET server over the Internet (on a $60 a month
rental server), isn't all that easy either. AIOE apparently didn't
have a backup, and the admin was in no shape health-wise, to deal with regenerating the server from scratch.
There are other servers, which do not advertise for new clients.
And there is more than one server that has gone "read-only", due to abuse. (The Thai Spam attack, caused one of our servers to go read-only, that was freenews.netfront.net .)
Paul
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wroteThere was no possibility of that producing a nuke holocaust,
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
GB wrote
Mark Carver wrote
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could>> >>>>> vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear
holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial >> phase.
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood >> and
Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly* >> happened
for real.
rCY1983+ABrink of ApocalypserCo
BullshitHow about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
I have solani set up on my news client but I can;t seem to access its newsgroup lists
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
GB wrote
Mark Carver wrote
phase.All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could
vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear
holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial
happened
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood >>> and
Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly*
for real.
o1983iBrink of Apocalypseo
Bullshit
How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
There was no possibility of that producing a nuke holocaust,
even if some stupid russian had fired a nuke at the USA. The
most that could have happened is that the russian vessel used
would have been nuked and everyone would have wrung their hands.
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wroteKids don't have a clue about that sort of thing.
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wroteIt didn't feel like that to this twelve-year-old boy.
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrotephase.
The Natural Philosopher wrote
GB wrote
Mark Carver wrote
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could
vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a >>>> nuclear
holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial
happened
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood >>>> and
Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly*
for real.
rCY1983+ABrink of ApocalypserCo
Bullshit
How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
There was no possibility of that producing a nuke holocaust,
even if some stupid russian had fired a nuke at the USA. The
most that could have happened is that the russian vessel used
would have been nuked and everyone would have wrung their hands.
Trouble was thatNot surprising that some mindless hyperventilate
none of the adults in the room - or for that matter, outside the room
in the British newspapers, on the radio or TV - were making any
reassuring noises at the time.
Did you have that confidence back in 1962 or is it a conclusion you've> arrived at in later years, with the benefit of hindsight?Yep
One of the most popular writers of the 1950s in England and, II never bought his bullshit
believe, also in Australia was Neville Shute. I wonder if "On the
Beach" gave people Down Under a kind of reassurance while it was
having exactly the opposite effect on people living in the Northern Hemisphere?
Nick, aged 12-and-three-quarters--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
On 30/09/2025 17:22, Paul wrote:
On Tue, 9/30/2025 9:38 AM, Theo wrote:
I suggest that anyone subscribed to NIN creates an account at Eternal
September, at least as an interim measure. Maybe there are better options, >>> but it will cost nothing, take a few minutes and mean your connection isn't >>> interrupted when NIN shuts down. You can set it up in your news software to
migrate over.
With Solani and E-S, the account closes if you don't use it once in a while. >> Maybe you could read USENET posts once a month, on your backup-server, to
keep your account alive. The interval for this on E-S might be a bit longer >> (before a non-active account is closed). Just successfully authenticating
with the server, should keep the account alive.
Paganini doesn't use an account. For the administrator of it, managing
that thing is just as difficult as managing AIOE was.
News.Mixmin.net doesn't use an account, but it is also out of
service occasionally and is not really a high speed/high availability
server. The only time I post through there, is when testing
whether the server is running, for someone.
AIOE didn't use an account, but it got wiped out one day,
and while initially it looked like a RAID failure, we
don't really know whether someone got into it and tipped it over.
When you rent a server in a COLO, "making backups" is tough.
Making a backup of a USENET server over the Internet (on a $60 a month
rental server), isn't all that easy either. AIOE apparently didn't
have a backup, and the admin was in no shape health-wise, to deal with
regenerating the server from scratch.
There are other servers, which do not advertise for new clients.
And there is more than one server that has gone "read-only", due to abuse. >> (The Thai Spam attack, caused one of our servers to go read-only, that was >> freenews.netfront.net .)
Paul
I have solani set up on my news client but I can;t seem to access its newsgroup lists
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 09:16:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
GB wrote
Mark Carver wrote
phase.All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could >>>>>>>>> vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear >>>>>>>> holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial
happened
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood >>>> and
Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly*
for real.
-o1983-iBrink of Apocalypse-o
Bullshit
How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
There was no possibility of that producing a nuke holocaust,
even if some stupid russian had fired a nuke at the USA. The
most that could have happened is that the russian vessel used
would have been nuked and everyone would have wrung their hands.
It didn't feel like that to this twelve-year-old boy. Trouble was that
none of the adults in the room - or for that matter, outside the room
in the British newspapers, on the radio or TV - were making any
reassuring noises at the time.
Did you have that confidence back in 1962 or is it a conclusion you've arrived at in later years, with the benefit of hindsight?
One of the most popular writers of the 1950s in England and, I
believe, also in Australia was Neville Shute. I wonder if "On the
Beach" gave people Down Under a kind of reassurance while it was
having exactly the opposite effect on people living in the Northern Hemisphere?
Nick, aged 12-and-three-quarters
In article <op.3dq2lwe9byq249@pvr2.lan>,
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 01:42:28 +1000, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 01/10/2025 14:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:55, GB wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:42, Mark Carver wrote:
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could
vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear >>>>>> holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial phase.
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood and >>>>> Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly* happened >>>> for real.
rCY1983+ABrink of ApocalypserCo
BullshitHow about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 09:16:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
GB wrote
Mark Carver wrote
phase.All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could >>>>>>>>> vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear >>>>>>>> holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial
and
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood
happenedRussian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly*
for real.
rCY1983+ABrink of ApocalypserCo
Bullshit
How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
There was no possibility of that producing a nuke holocaust,
even if some stupid russian had fired a nuke at the USA. The
most that could have happened is that the russian vessel used
would have been nuked and everyone would have wrung their hands.
It didn't feel like that to this twelve-year-old boy. Trouble was that
none of the adults in the room - or for that matter, outside the room
in the British newspapers, on the radio or TV - were making any
reassuring noises at the time.
Did you have that confidence back in 1962 or is it a conclusion you've arrived at in later years, with the benefit of hindsight?
One of the most popular writers of the 1950s in England and, I
believe, also in Australia was Neville Shute. I wonder if "On the
Beach" gave people Down Under a kind of reassurance while it was
having exactly the opposite effect on people living in the Northern Hemisphere?
Nick, aged 12-and-three-quarters--
On 01/10/2025 14:07, Mark Carver wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:55, GB wrote:12 miles from Lakenheath and Mildenhall...probably could survive a 1
On 01/10/2025 13:42, Mark Carver wrote:
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could
vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear
holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial phase.
I live 8 miles from Aldermaston and 10 from Burghfield, come and join me
megaton blast.
In article <op.3dq2lwe9byq249@pvr2.lan>,
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 01:42:28 +1000, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 01/10/2025 14:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:55, GB wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:42, Mark Carver wrote:
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could
vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear
holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial phase.
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood and >> >>> Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly* happened >> >> for real.
rCY1983+ABrink of ApocalypserCo
BullshitHow about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
In article <5c651b910acharles@candehope.me.uk>, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> scribeth thus
In article <op.3dq2lwe9byq249@pvr2.lan>,
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 01:42:28 +1000, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 01/10/2025 14:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:55, GB wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:42, Mark Carver wrote:Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood and >>>>>> Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could >>>>>>>> vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear >>>>>>> holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial phase. >>>>
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly* happened >>>>> for real.
rCY1983+ABrink of ApocalypserCo
Bullshit
Might this be what was meant?..
The Russian radar operator who prevented a large-scale nuclear exchange
was Stanislav Petrov. On September 26, 1983, while on duty at the Soviet nuclear early-warning system's command center, the system reported a
missile launch from the United States. Petrov judged it to be a false
alarm, likely a computer or radar glitch, and chose to disobey protocol
by not reporting it, a decision that averted a potential nuclear war
between the Soviet Union and the United States
In article <10bjauc$cmrt$3@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> scribeth thus
On 01/10/2025 14:07, Mark Carver wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:55, GB wrote:12 miles from Lakenheath and Mildenhall...probably could survive a 1
On 01/10/2025 13:42, Mark Carver wrote:
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could
vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear
holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial phase.
I live 8 miles from Aldermaston and 10 from Burghfield, come and join me >>>
megaton blast.
Https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
You might, but what will it be like afterwards back to around the time
of the dark ages.
Best hope that one goes off right over your head one night, instant
oblivion, best bet from what I've seen of it!..
In article <5c651b910acharles@candehope.me.uk>, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> scribeth thus
In article <op.3dq2lwe9byq249@pvr2.lan>,
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 01:42:28 +1000, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 01/10/2025 14:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:55, GB wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:42, Mark Carver wrote:Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood and >>>>>> Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could >>>>>>>> vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear >>>>>>> holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial phase. >>>>
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly* happened >>>>> for real.
rCY1983+ABrink of ApocalypserCo
Bullshit
Might this be what was meant?..
The Russian radar operator who prevented a large-scale nuclear exchange
was Stanislav Petrov. On September 26, 1983, while on duty at the Soviet nuclear early-warning system's command center, the system reported a
missile launch from the United States. Petrov judged it to be a false
alarm, likely a computer or radar glitch, and chose to disobey protocol
by not reporting it, a decision that averted a potential nuclear war
between the Soviet Union and the United States
On 02/10/2025 11:56, tony sayer wrote:
In article <5c651b910acharles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> scribeth thus
In article <op.3dq2lwe9byq249@pvr2.lan>,
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 01:42:28 +1000, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 01/10/2025 14:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:55, GB wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:42, Mark Carver wrote:Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood and >>>>>>> Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could >>>>>>>>> vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear >>>>>>>> holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial phase. >>>>>
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly* happened >>>>>> for real.
rCY1983+ABrink of ApocalypserCo
Bullshit
Might this be what was meant?..
The Russian radar operator who prevented a large-scale nuclear exchange
was Stanislav Petrov. On September 26, 1983, while on duty at the Soviet
nuclear early-warning system's command center, the system reported a
missile launch from the United States. Petrov judged it to be a false
alarm, likely a computer or radar glitch, and chose to disobey protocol
by not reporting it, a decision that averted a potential nuclear war
between the Soviet Union and the United States
Same happened in the USA. when a new radar system reported waves of
missiles taking off from Russia, then vanishing as a new wave was launched.
Turns out it was a radar system so good it was able to detect the moon rising and since the radar pulse frequency was just long enough to see Russia and no more, delayed echoes from previous pulses showed up as
ones originating in the Soviet union.
Since none of his other kit reported anything, the operator flagged it
as a probable software error and passed it up the chain.
In article <10bjauc$cmrt$3@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> scribeth thus
On 01/10/2025 14:07, Mark Carver wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:55, GB wrote:12 miles from Lakenheath and Mildenhall...probably could survive a 1
On 01/10/2025 13:42, Mark Carver wrote:
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could
vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear
holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial phase.
I live 8 miles from Aldermaston and 10 from Burghfield, come and join
me
megaton blast.
Https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
You might, but what will it be like afterwards back to around the time
of the dark ages.
Best hope that one goes off right over your head one night, instant
oblivion,
best bet from what I've seen of it!..
On 02/10/2025 11:56, tony sayer wrote:
In article <5c651b910acharles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> scribeth thus
In article <op.3dq2lwe9byq249@pvr2.lan>,
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 01:42:28 +1000, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 01/10/2025 14:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:55, GB wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:42, Mark Carver wrote:Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood and >>>>>>> Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could >>>>>>>>> vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear >>>>>>>> holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial phase. >>>>>
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly* happened >>>>>> for real.
rCY1983+ABrink of ApocalypserCo
Bullshit
Might this be what was meant?..
The Russian radar operator who prevented a large-scale nuclear exchange
was Stanislav Petrov. On September 26, 1983, while on duty at the Soviet
nuclear early-warning system's command center, the system reported a
missile launch from the United States. Petrov judged it to be a false
alarm, likely a computer or radar glitch, and chose to disobey protocol
by not reporting it, a decision that averted a potential nuclear war
between the Soviet Union and the United States
Same happened in the USA. when a new radar system reported waves of
missiles taking off from Russia, then vanishing as a new wave was launched.
Turns out it was a radar system so good it was able to detect the moon rising and since the radar pulse frequency was just long enough to see Russia and no more, delayed echoes from previous pulses showed up as
ones originating in the Soviet union.
Since none of his other kit reported anything, the operator flagged it
as a probable software error and passed it up the chain.
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 09:16:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
GB wrote
Mark Carver wrote
phase.All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could >>>>>>>>> vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear >>>>>>>> holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial
and
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood
happenedRussian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly*
for real.
rCY1983+ABrink of ApocalypserCo
Bullshit
How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
There was no possibility of that producing a nuke holocaust,
even if some stupid russian had fired a nuke at the USA. The
most that could have happened is that the russian vessel used
would have been nuked and everyone would have wrung their hands.
It didn't feel like that to this twelve-year-old boy. Trouble was that
none of the adults in the room - or for that matter, outside the room
in the British newspapers, on the radio or TV - were making any
reassuring noises at the time.
Did you have that confidence back in 1962 or is it a conclusion you've arrived at in later years, with the benefit of hindsight?
One of the most popular writers of the 1950s in England and, I
believe, also in Australia was Neville Shute. I wonder if "On the
Beach" gave people Down Under a kind of reassurance while it was
having exactly the opposite effect on people living in the Northern Hemisphere?
Nick, aged 12-and-three-quarters
On 02/10/2025 06:52, Nick Odell wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 09:16:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"Well this 12 year old boy had already come to the conclusion that with
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
GB wrote
Mark Carver wrote
phase.All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could >>>>>>>>>> vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear >>>>>>>>> holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial
happened
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood >>>>> and
Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly*
for real.
rCY1983+ABrink of ApocalypserCo
Bullshit
How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
There was no possibility of that producing a nuke holocaust,
even if some stupid russian had fired a nuke at the USA. The
most that could have happened is that the russian vessel used
would have been nuked and everyone would have wrung their hands.
It didn't feel like that to this twelve-year-old boy. Trouble was that
none of the adults in the room - or for that matter, outside the room
in the British newspapers, on the radio or TV - were making any
reassuring noises at the time.
few exceptions, that was adults for you.
Mostly ignorant, emotional and pretty fucking dumb.
Did you have that confidence back in 1962 or is it a conclusion you'veFortunately I was at a school staffed by the minimum of-a degree level schoolmasters with several being Oxbridge PhDs, so intelligent informed comment was available
arrived at in later years, with the benefit of hindsight?
One of the most popular writers of the 1950s in England and, II read the book and was very disappointed.-a Really poor science.
believe, also in Australia was Neville Shute. I wonder if "On the
Beach" gave people Down Under a kind of reassurance while it was
having exactly the opposite effect on people living in the Northern
Hemisphere?
It was the same as John Wyndham's novels and John-a Christopher's 'Death
of Grass'. All pounding the soviet inspired 'everything hi tech is scary
and will end in disaster' message.
Then Silent Spring etc etc.
On 02/10/2025 06:52, Nick Odell wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 09:16:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
GB wrote
Mark Carver wrote
phase.All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could >>>>>>>>> vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear >>>>>>>> holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial
happened
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood >>>> and
Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly*
for real.
o1983UBrink of ApocalypseA
Bullshit
How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
There was no possibility of that producing a nuke holocaust,
even if some stupid russian had fired a nuke at the USA. The
most that could have happened is that the russian vessel used
would have been nuked and everyone would have wrung their hands.
It didn't feel like that to this twelve-year-old boy. Trouble was that
none of the adults in the room - or for that matter, outside the room
in the British newspapers, on the radio or TV - were making any
reassuring noises at the time.
Did you have that confidence back in 1962 or is it a conclusion you've arrived at in later years, with the benefit of hindsight?
One of the most popular writers of the 1950s in England and, I
believe, also in Australia was Neville Shute. I wonder if "On the
Beach" gave people Down Under a kind of reassurance while it was
having exactly the opposite effect on people living in the Northern Hemisphere?
Nick, aged 12-and-three-quarters
In 1962 I was 14, and I wasn't particularly bothered by things on the
other side of the Atlantic between Cuba and the USA that seemed too far
away to affect me. I was happy to let them get on with it.
On 02/10/2025 11:50, tony sayer wrote:
In article <10bjauc$cmrt$3@dont-email.me>, The Natural PhilosopherWell I keyed it all in and it wasn't a big deal frankly
<tnp@invalid.invalid> scribeth thus
On 01/10/2025 14:07, Mark Carver wrote:
On 01/10/2025 13:55, GB wrote:12 miles from Lakenheath and Mildenhall...probably could survive a 1
On 01/10/2025 13:42, Mark Carver wrote:
All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could
vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear
holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial phase.
I live 8 miles from Aldermaston and 10 from Burghfield, come and join me >>>>
megaton blast.
Https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
You might, but what will it be like afterwards back to around the time
of the dark ages.
Some of Norfolk gota lot of radiation but mutations are normal for
norfolk anyway.
Best hope that one goes off right over your head one night, instant
oblivion, best bet from what I've seen of it!..
So how many nuclear explosions have you personally witnessed Tony?
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 09:16:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
GB wrote
Mark Carver wrote
phase.All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could
vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear >>>> >>>> holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial
happened
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood >>>> and
Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly*
for real.
o1983iBrink of Apocalypseo
Bullshit
How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
There was no possibility of that producing a nuke holocaust,
even if some stupid russian had fired a nuke at the USA. The
most that could have happened is that the russian vessel used
would have been nuked and everyone would have wrung their hands.
It didn't feel like that to this twelve-year-old boy. Trouble was that
none of the adults in the room - or for that matter, outside the room
in the British newspapers, on the radio or TV - were making any
reassuring noises at the time.
Did you have that confidence back in 1962 or is it a conclusion you've >arrived at in later years, with the benefit of hindsight?
One of the most popular writers of the 1950s in England and, I
believe, also in Australia was Neville Shute. I wonder if "On the
Beach" gave people Down Under a kind of reassurance while it was
having exactly the opposite effect on people living in the Northern >Hemisphere?
Nick, aged 12-and-three-quarters
On 02/10/2025 06:52, Nick Odell wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 09:16:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
GB wrote
Mark Carver wrote
phase.All three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could >>>>>>>>>> vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a nuclear >>>>>>>>> holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial
happened
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of Hollywood >>>>> and
Russian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly*
for real.
rCY1983+ABrink of ApocalypserCo
Bullshit
How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
There was no possibility of that producing a nuke holocaust,
even if some stupid russian had fired a nuke at the USA. The
most that could have happened is that the russian vessel used
would have been nuked and everyone would have wrung their hands.
It didn't feel like that to this twelve-year-old boy. Trouble was that
none of the adults in the room - or for that matter, outside the room
in the British newspapers, on the radio or TV - were making any
reassuring noises at the time.
Did you have that confidence back in 1962 or is it a conclusion you've
arrived at in later years, with the benefit of hindsight?
One of the most popular writers of the 1950s in England and, I
believe, also in Australia was Neville Shute. I wonder if "On the
Beach" gave people Down Under a kind of reassurance while it was
having exactly the opposite effect on people living in the Northern
Hemisphere?
Nick, aged 12-and-three-quarters
In 1962 I was 14, and I wasn't particularly bothered by things on the
other side of the Atlantic between Cuba and the USA that seemed too far
away to affect me.-a I was happy to let them get on with it.
On 03/10/2025 09:37, Indy Jess John wrote:Nope, only those in one place in the USA if some russian had actually been that stupid
On 02/10/2025 06:52, Nick Odell wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 09:16:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"In 1962 I was 14, and I wasn't particularly bothered by things on the >> other side of the Atlantic between Cuba and the USA that seemed too far >> away to affect me. I was happy to let them get on with it.
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote
GB wrote
Mark Carver wrote
andAll three of them, unfortunately along with everyone else could >>>>>>>>>>> vanish within minutes at quite short notice.
I'm not particularly concerned about simply vanishing in a >>>>>>>>>> nuclear
holocaust. I'm far more concerned about surviving the initial>>>>>> phase.
Well since nuclear holocausts only exist in the minds of >>>>>>>>> Hollywood
happenedRussian agitators you will probably be OK.
There have been several occasions in the past when it *nearly*
for real.
rCY1983+ABrink of ApocalypserCo
Bullshit
How about the Cuba Missile Crisis (1962)
There was no possibility of that producing a nuke holocaust,
even if some stupid russian had fired a nuke at the USA. The
most that could have happened is that the russian vessel used
would have been nuked and everyone would have wrung their hands.
It didn't feel like that to this twelve-year-old boy. Trouble was that
none of the adults in the room - or for that matter, outside the room
in the British newspapers, on the radio or TV - were making any
reassuring noises at the time.
Did you have that confidence back in 1962 or is it a conclusion you've
arrived at in later years, with the benefit of hindsight?
One of the most popular writers of the 1950s in England and, I
believe, also in Australia was Neville Shute. I wonder if "On the
Beach" gave people Down Under a kind of reassurance while it was
having exactly the opposite effect on people living in the Northern
Hemisphere?
Nick, aged 12-and-three-quarters
I suspect the views of a young teenager (I was 12 at the time) would be > strongly influenced by those of the people around you.
Whilst you may not have been moved by those events, those events were > certainly capable of moving you.
In 1962 I was 14, and I wasn't particularly bothered by things on the
other side of the Atlantic between Cuba and the USA that seemed too far
away to affect me. I was happy to let them get on with it.