• Re: Old T & E cable

    From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.d-i-y on Wed Oct 1 17:01:19 2025
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    On 29 Sep 2025 at 11:22:19 BST, "John Rumm" <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    On 28/09/2025 23:19, Roger Hayter wrote:

    Some of my house wiring uses 2.5mm T&E with what looks like white PVC outer >> sheathing and (red and black) rubber covering the conductors. The rubber seems
    quite elastic, not apparently hardened or splitting. Is it reasonable to leave
    this in place?

    PVC outer with rubber insulated conductors is rare, but did exist. It is
    old, usually imperial sizes and typically stranded. It will probably be
    in better condition than fully rubber insulated cable.

    (I'm going to anyway, just wondering how reasonable I'm being.)

    Well it *could* still be safe. You would need to inspect carefully - especially at the termination points.

    Old T&E may only have a 1mm^2 CPC/Earth (if it has one at all). That
    means that a spur on a socket ring circuit may not have adequate fault protection if the circuit is fed from a BS3036 re-wireable fuse but it
    is probably ok on a MCB.

    Come to think of it, the earth conductor does look small, but I have at least got MCBs. And the reason I saw it was getting rid of a spur with four double sockets on it!
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    Roger Hayter
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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to uk.d-i-y on Wed Oct 1 18:31:38 2025
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    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
    I really don't know if it is some Imperial size, but it looks like 2.5mm. And the insulation is indisputably rubber rather than PVC, though quite possibly some sort of synthetic rubber.

    A white outer is nowadays sometimes a sign of it being LSZH (low smoke zero halogen) cable which is more fireproof than regular PVC. It uses XLPE
    inners rather than PVC which can be more stretchy - maybe that's what you're seeing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE_EVnasj7Y

    shows stripping some modern cable. (They're using Doncaster Cables' product which has a groove down the middle; other manufacturers don't)

    Theo
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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.d-i-y on Wed Oct 1 18:45:01 2025
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    On 1 Oct 2025 at 18:31:38 BST, "Theo" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
    I really don't know if it is some Imperial size, but it looks like 2.5mm. And
    the insulation is indisputably rubber rather than PVC, though quite possibly >> some sort of synthetic rubber.

    A white outer is nowadays sometimes a sign of it being LSZH (low smoke zero halogen) cable which is more fireproof than regular PVC. It uses XLPE
    inners rather than PVC which can be more stretchy - maybe that's what you're seeing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE_EVnasj7Y

    shows stripping some modern cable. (They're using Doncaster Cables' product which has a groove down the middle; other manufacturers don't)

    Theo

    A possibility, though it is about 40 years old, and I think the conductor insulation is very elastic, doubles in length on pulling.
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