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In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly state,
I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of hot
water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation know
what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state?
There is an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall
try next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
On 26/08/2025 in message <dk3rak1ukljm80mok14aqjurrpvnr0j846@4ax.com>
Mike Halmarack wrote:
In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly state,
I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of hot
water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation know
what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state?
There is an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall
try next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
Happens to me sometimes. This is not a scientific approach but I think sometimes smaller items get scrunched up and tangled so don't get
properly rinsed.
Happens to me sometimes. This is not a scientific approach but I think sometimes smaller items get scrunched up and tangled so don't get properly rinsed.
In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly state,
I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of hot
water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation know
what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state?
There is an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall
try next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
On 26/08/2025 in message <dk3rak1ukljm80mok14aqjurrpvnr0j846@4ax.com> Mike >Halmarack wrote:Good point, thanks. It's a recurring problem though.
In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly state,
I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of hot >>water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation know
what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state?
There is an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall
try next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
Happens to me sometimes. This is not a scientific approach but I think >sometimes smaller items get scrunched up and tangled so don't get properly >rinsed.
On 26/08/2025 12:05, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 26/08/2025 in message <dk3rak1ukljm80mok14aqjurrpvnr0j846@4ax.com>Do you use a fabric conditioner - that is deliberately designed to leave >something behind (not sure what)?
Mike Halmarack wrote:
In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly state,
I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of hot
water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation know
what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state?
There is an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall
try next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
Happens to me sometimes. This is not a scientific approach but I think
sometimes smaller items get scrunched up and tangled so don't get
properly rinsed.
Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
Happens to me sometimes. This is not a scientific approach but I think
sometimes smaller items get scrunched up and tangled so don't get properly >> rinsed.
Can happen if you overfill. eg washed a blanket and the middle came out of >the machine bone dry - the water had never got to it.
Theo
Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly state,
I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of hot
water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation know
what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state?
There is an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall
try next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
Try putting items into the washing machine one at a time rather than just >cram a bundle of stuff and hope for the best. Make sure the items arenAt >folded up, for larger items try holding vertically by one corner and use
the other hand to compress the item then put it in the machine. DonAt >overload, the machine instructions might say a 10kg load but I wouldnAt >recommend even half that. Use aextra rinseA if you can, and a fast spin.
Oh! And donAt put in too much detergent, experiment until you can get the >amount of foam to a minimum.
In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly state,
I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of hot
water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation know
what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state?
There is an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall
try next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
I'm embarrased to admit that fabric conditioner doesn't feature
largely.
Thanks for the comprehensive liist. I'll apply it with gusto. Here's hoping,
On 26/08/2025 15:00, Mike Halmarack wrote:
I'm embarrased to admit that fabric conditioner doesn't feature
largely.
I don't think it's anything to be embarrassed about - we stopped using
it some time ago and simply cannot see any difference in the outcome of
the washing/drying process.
On 26/08/2025 11:40, Mike Halmarack wrote:This is a hard water area so that may well have something to do with
In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly state,
I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of hot
water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation know
what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state?
There is an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall
try next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
If you are in a hard water area you could be suffering from a build-up
of limescale. Although many washing powders suggest that they prevent >limescale, it isn't necessarily true.
My machine started to make a noise as it pumped the water out, and I >couldn't get the cover unscrewed. So a man with the correct tool took it
out and there was a lot of limescale inside. He cleaned out the visible >bits and recommended I give it a service wash with the machine empty
apart from a dose of descaler. I did and that quietened everything down.
Try giving your machine the wash programme the book suggests as the
first action for a new machine, with a descaler rather than washing
powder to go into the empty drum.
Oust Descaler got good reviews in a Which? test.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:24:27 +0100, Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 11:40, Mike Halmarack wrote:This is a hard water area so that may well have something to do with
In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly state,
I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of hot
water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation know
what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state?
There is an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall
try next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
If you are in a hard water area you could be suffering from a build-up
of limescale. Although many washing powders suggest that they prevent
limescale, it isn't necessarily true.
My machine started to make a noise as it pumped the water out, and I
couldn't get the cover unscrewed. So a man with the correct tool took it
out and there was a lot of limescale inside. He cleaned out the visible
bits and recommended I give it a service wash with the machine empty
apart from a dose of descaler. I did and that quietened everything down.
Try giving your machine the wash programme the book suggests as the
first action for a new machine, with a descaler rather than washing
powder to go into the empty drum.
Oust Descaler got good reviews in a Which? test.
the problem I'm not sure where the lime scale would accumulate, other
than in the filter.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:22:50 +0100, Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu>...
wrote:
Do you use a fabric conditioner - that is deliberately designed to leave >>something behind (not sure what)?
I'm embarrased to admit that fabric conditioner doesn't feature
largely.
On 26/08/2025 11:40, Mike Halmarack wrote:
In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly state,
I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of hot
water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation know
what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state?
There is an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall
try next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
If you are in a hard water area you could be suffering from a build-up
of limescale. Although many washing powders suggest that they prevent limescale, it isn't necessarily true.
My machine started to make a noise as it pumped the water out, and I couldn't get the cover unscrewed. So a man with the correct tool took it
out and there was a lot of limescale inside. He cleaned out the visible bits and recommended I give it a service wash with the machine empty
apart from a dose of descaler. I did and that quietened everything down.
Try giving your machine the wash programme the book suggests as the
first action for a new machine, with a descaler rather than washing
powder to go into the empty drum.
Oust Descaler got good reviews in a Which? test.
Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 11:40, Mike Halmarack wrote:
In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly state,
I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of hot
water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation know
what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state?
There is an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall
try next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
If you are in a hard water area you could be suffering from a build-up
of limescale. Although many washing powders suggest that they prevent
limescale, it isn't necessarily true.
My machine started to make a noise as it pumped the water out, and I
couldn't get the cover unscrewed. So a man with the correct tool took it
out and there was a lot of limescale inside. He cleaned out the visible
bits and recommended I give it a service wash with the machine empty
apart from a dose of descaler. I did and that quietened everything down.
Try giving your machine the wash programme the book suggests as the
first action for a new machine, with a descaler rather than washing
powder to go into the empty drum.
Oust Descaler got good reviews in a Which? test.
Another issue is too much washing fluid.
We had a machine rCyclogg uprCO ( in a hard water area).
I was able to clear the pipes and convince Senior Management to
significantly reduce the amount of fluid per wash ( at the time those ball things were all the rage) and all was well.
On 27/08/2025 16:31, Brian wrote:
Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
On 26/08/2025 11:40, Mike Halmarack wrote:
In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly
state, I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of
hot water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation
know what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state? There is
an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall try
next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
If you are in a hard water area you could be suffering from a build-up
of limescale. Although many washing powders suggest that they prevent
limescale, it isn't necessarily true.
My machine started to make a noise as it pumped the water out, and I
couldn't get the cover unscrewed. So a man with the correct tool took
it out and there was a lot of limescale inside. He cleaned out the
visible bits and recommended I give it a service wash with the machine
empty apart from a dose of descaler. I did and that quietened
everything down.
Try giving your machine the wash programme the book suggests as the
first action for a new machine, with a descaler rather than washing
powder to go into the empty drum.
Oust Descaler got good reviews in a Which? test.
Another issue is too much washing fluid.
We had a machine Eclogg upa ( in a hard water area).
I was able to clear the pipes and convince Senior Management to significantly reduce the amount of fluid per wash ( at the time those
ball things were all the rage) and all was well.
I have absolutely never ever regretted fitting a whole-house water softener...
In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly state,
I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of hot
water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation know
what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state?
There is an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall
try next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
For some years IrCOd been using this particular make with good results. Then came the day when they changed the packaging. It became clear as soon as I used the first dosing, that they had also changed the formulationrCawhereas before I had a minimum of suds in the machine, it was now full almost to overflowing
On 28/08/2025 10:17, Spike wrote:
For some years IrCOd been using this particular make with good results.
Then
came the day when they changed the packaging. It became clear as soon
as I
used the first dosing, that they had also changed the formulationrCawhereas >> before I had a minimum of suds in the machine, it was now full almost to
overflowing
Suds are deliberately introduced because 'marketing'
Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
In the process of advancing toward the crumbly from the wrinkly state,
I've become more skin care aware.
So, when I plonked my newly laundered wash flannel into a basin of hot
water, I was disturbed to see a big white cloud emerging from it.
Does anyone familiar with subtleties of washing machine operation know
what might be leaving laundry in this disturbing state?
There is an extra rinse and spin option on the machine, which I shall
try next, but should this be necessary with a normally functioning
washing machine?
Mike, youAve had quite a number of useful suggestions to deal with your >laundry issues, and IAm sure youAll find the solutions. However, a word of >warning, from my experience with what was my favourite laundry detergent.
For some years IAd been using this particular make with good results. Then >came the day when they changed the packaging. It became clear as soon as I >used the first dosing, that they had also changed the formulationawhereas >before I had a minimum of suds in the machine, it was now full almost to >overflowing, so much so that I had to use a second rinse cycle to get rid
of it. I persevered with it, reducing the amount of detergent for each
wash, until I was using very little, but over-foaming remained an issue.
Finally, I changed the brand of the detergent, but it took five or ten >subsequent washes before things resumed normality, presumably due to the >rinse cycles not completely getting it out if the clothes, with towels
being the longest to clear out the previous stuff.
The moral of this story is to run what changes you make for long enough to >see whether they have had an effect or not, and the whole exercise could
take quite a number of washes for the results to normalise at their new >level.
Do keep us posted on your progress!
On 28/08/2025 10:17, Spike wrote:
For some years IrCOd been using this particular make with good results.
Then
came the day when they changed the packaging. It became clear as soon
as I
used the first dosing, that they had also changed the formulationrCawhereas >> before I had a minimum of suds in the machine, it was now full almost to
overflowing
Suds are deliberately introduced because 'marketing'
On 28/08/2025 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:17, Spike wrote:
For some years IrCOd been using this particular make with good results. >>> Then
came the day when they changed the packaging. It became clear as soon
as I
used the first dosing, that they had also changed the formulationrCa
whereas
before I had a minimum of suds in the machine, it was now full almost to >>> overflowing
Suds are deliberately introduced because 'marketing'
Especially for dish washing products. "The bubbles last twice as long compared to other leading products" makes it a much better product!!!!
In a washing machine you need a product that produces zero suds.
On 29/08/2025 14:03, alan_m wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:17, Spike wrote:
For some years IrCOd been using this particular make with good
results. Then
came the day when they changed the packaging. It became clear as
soon as I
used the first dosing, that they had also changed the formulationrCa
whereas
before I had a minimum of suds in the machine, it was now full
almost to
overflowing
Suds are deliberately introduced because 'marketing'
Especially for dish washing products. "The bubbles last twice as long
compared to other leading products" makes it a much better product!!!!
In a washing machine you need a product that produces zero suds.
How will you know you have added enough detergent if there aren't any suds?
On 29/08/2025 14:03, alan_m wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:17, Spike wrote:
For some years IrCOd been using this particular make with good
results. Then
came the day when they changed the packaging. It became clear as
soon as I
used the first dosing, that they had also changed the formulationrCa
whereas
before I had a minimum of suds in the machine, it was now full
almost to
overflowing
Suds are deliberately introduced because 'marketing'
Especially for dish washing products. "The bubbles last twice as long
compared to other leading products" makes it a much better product!!!!
In a washing machine you need a product that produces zero suds.
How will you know you have added enough detergent if there aren't any suds?
On 29/08/2025 17:58, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/08/2025 14:03, alan_m wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:17, Spike wrote:
For some years IrCOd been using this particular make with good
results. Then
came the day when they changed the packaging. It became clear as
soon as I
used the first dosing, that they had also changed the formulationrCa >>>>> whereas
before I had a minimum of suds in the machine, it was now full
almost to
overflowing
Suds are deliberately introduced because 'marketing'
Especially for dish washing products. "The bubbles last twice as long
compared to other leading products" makes it a much better product!!!!
In a washing machine you need a product that produces zero suds.
How will you know you have added enough detergent if there aren't any
suds?
Just add the required amount. In my case one tablet.
On 29/08/2025 19:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/08/2025 17:58, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/08/2025 14:03, alan_m wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:17, Spike wrote:
For some years IrCOd been using this particular make with good
results. Then
came the day when they changed the packaging. It became clear as
soon as I
used the first dosing, that they had also changed the formulationrCa >>>>>> whereas
before I had a minimum of suds in the machine, it was now full
almost to
overflowing
Suds are deliberately introduced because 'marketing'
Especially for dish washing products. "The bubbles last twice as
long compared to other leading products" makes it a much better
product!!!!
In a washing machine you need a product that produces zero suds.
How will you know you have added enough detergent if there aren't any
suds?
Just add the required amount. In my case one tablet.
How do you know the amount is right?
On 30/08/2025 12:25, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/08/2025 19:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/08/2025 17:58, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/08/2025 14:03, alan_m wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:17, Spike wrote:
For some years IrCOd been using this particular make with good
results. Then
came the day when they changed the packaging. It became clear as >>>>>>> soon as I
used the first dosing, that they had also changed the
formulationrCa whereas
before I had a minimum of suds in the machine, it was now full
almost to
overflowing
Suds are deliberately introduced because 'marketing'
Especially for dish washing products. "The bubbles last twice as
long compared to other leading products" makes it a much better
product!!!!
In a washing machine you need a product that produces zero suds.
How will you know you have added enough detergent if there aren't
any suds?
Just add the required amount. In my case one tablet.
How do you know the amount is right?
How do you judge the correct amount by the amount of suds? Try adding a
drop of dish washing up liquid and see if that makes a difference.
On 30/08/2025 12:25, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/08/2025 19:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/08/2025 17:58, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/08/2025 14:03, alan_m wrote:
In a washing machine you need a product that produces zero suds.
How will you know you have added enough detergent if there aren't
any suds?
Just add the required amount. In my case one tablet.
How do you know the amount is right?
How do you judge the correct amount by the amount of suds? Try adding a
drop of dish washing up liquid and see if that makes a difference.
"Hands that do dishes can be soft as your face..."
Anyone here ever done the washing up whilst having a facefull of stubble?
On 29/08/2025 19:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/08/2025 17:58, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/08/2025 14:03, alan_m wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:17, Spike wrote:
For some years IrCOd been using this particular make with good
results. Then
came the day when they changed the packaging. It became clear as
soon as I
used the first dosing, that they had also changed the formulationrCa >>>>>> whereas
before I had a minimum of suds in the machine, it was now full
almost to
overflowing
Suds are deliberately introduced because 'marketing'
Especially for dish washing products. "The bubbles last twice as
long compared to other leading products" makes it a much better
product!!!!
In a washing machine you need a product that produces zero suds.
How will you know you have added enough detergent if there aren't any
suds?
Just add the required amount. In my case one tablet.
How do you know the amount is right?
On 30/08/2025 13:36, alan_m wrote:
On 30/08/2025 12:25, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/08/2025 19:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/08/2025 17:58, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/08/2025 14:03, alan_m wrote:
In a washing machine you need a product that produces zero suds.
How will you know you have added enough detergent if there aren't
any suds?
Just add the required amount. In my case one tablet.
How do you know the amount is right?
How do you judge the correct amount by the amount of suds? Try adding
a drop of dish washing up liquid and see if that makes a difference.
With powder I just add enough to produce a few bubbles (by experience);
1/4 cup, 1/2 cup &c.
On 30/08/2025 17:55, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/08/2025 13:36, alan_m wrote:
On 30/08/2025 12:25, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/08/2025 19:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/08/2025 17:58, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/08/2025 14:03, alan_m wrote:
In a washing machine you need a product that produces zero suds.
How will you know you have added enough detergent if there aren't >>>>>> any suds?
Just add the required amount. In my case one tablet.
How do you know the amount is right?
How do you judge the correct amount by the amount of suds? Try adding
a drop of dish washing up liquid and see if that makes a difference.
With powder I just add enough to produce a few bubbles (by
experience); 1/4 cup, 1/2 cup &c.
Ah, you are following your own dosing information and using too much if
suds are produced, or the incorrect product :)
On 30/08/2025 12:25, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/08/2025 19:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Somewhere on the detergent or the machine instructions it will tell you
On 29/08/2025 17:58, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/08/2025 14:03, alan_m wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/08/2025 10:17, Spike wrote:
For some years IrCOd been using this particular make with good
results. Then
came the day when they changed the packaging. It became clear as >>>>>>> soon as I
used the first dosing, that they had also changed the
formulationrCa whereas
before I had a minimum of suds in the machine, it was now full
almost to
overflowing
Suds are deliberately introduced because 'marketing'
Especially for dish washing products. "The bubbles last twice as
long compared to other leading products" makes it a much better
product!!!!
In a washing machine you need a product that produces zero suds.
How will you know you have added enough detergent if there aren't
any suds?
Just add the required amount. In my case one tablet.
How do you know the amount is right?