• Making sense of water hardness

    From D.M. Procida@daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com to uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 5 09:25:42 2025
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    I have an IKEA diswasher manual in front of me, https://www.ikea.com/nl/en/manuals/rengora-integrated-dishwasher-ikea-300__AA-2192023-3-1.pdf.

    I like that it advises not to store explosives in it (page 5). but I am
    baffled by the table on page 8.

    It says that "average"(?) water hardness is 12-16 ˚dH.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water#Hard/soft_classification says that 12-16 ˚dH is deep into very hard territory.

    Our actual water hardness here is apparently between 5 and 9 ˚dH, and all the signs are that it is pretty hard (limescale forms at the slightest opportunity).

    The paper version of my manual just adds to the confusion.

    So I am not really any clearer.

    Daniele
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 5 09:57:21 2025
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    On 05/07/2025 in message <mcs9cmFo9buU1@mid.individual.net> D.M. Procida wrote:

    Our actual water hardness here is apparently between 5 and 9 ˚dH, and all >the
    signs are that it is pretty hard (limescale forms at the slightest >opportunity).

    My water turns to limescale as I fill the kettle!

    AI says It falls within the range of 100 to 200 mg of calcium carbonate
    per liter.

    Harvey Water Softeners says 324.20 parts per million (doesn't define parts
    of what).

    Fountain Filters says You've got HARD WATER!

    Wessex Water say they don't supply my are which is odd as I pay my bill to them.

    Bournemouth Waters says Most of our water supply can be classified as ‘moderately hard’ (on a scale of one to ten this would be seven).

    How do I compare these results with each other and your "dH" figure?
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    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 5 12:00:10 2025
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    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    How do I compare these results with each other and your "dH" figure?
    Severn Trent gives multiple hardness ratings for my "zone"

    Analysis Typical Value UK/EU Limit Units
    Hardness Level Hard No standard applies
    Hardness Clark 14.57 No standard applies Degrees Clark
    Hardness French 20.81 No standard applies French Degrees
    Hardness German 11.66 No standard applies German Degrees

    the "German" reading is apparently °dH,
    and the Clarke reading is "English" °e

    wikip gives conversions

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water#Measurement>
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  • From Thomas Prufer@prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Sun Jul 6 08:17:04 2025
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    On 5 Jul 2025 09:57:21 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    On 05/07/2025 in message <mcs9cmFo9buU1@mid.individual.net> D.M. Procida >wrote:

    Our actual water hardness here is apparently between 5 and 9 ?dH, and all >>the
    signs are that it is pretty hard (limescale forms at the slightest >>opportunity).

    My water turns to limescale as I fill the kettle!

    AI says It falls within the range of 100 to 200 mg of calcium carbonate
    per liter.

    Harvey Water Softeners says 324.20 parts per million (doesn't define parts >of what).

    Fountain Filters says You've got HARD WATER!

    Wessex Water say they don't supply my are which is odd as I pay my bill to >them.

    Bournemouth Waters says Most of our water supply can be classified as >‘moderately hard’ (on a scale of one to ten this would be seven).

    How do I compare these results with each other and your "dH" figure?

    Eh, "don't bother"?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_hardness#Hard/soft_classification

    says: "As it is the precise mixture of minerals dissolved in the water, together
    with water's pH and temperature, that determine the behaviour of the hardness, a
    single-number scale does not adequately describe hardness."

    As far as I can tell, there is dissolved hardness due to carbonic acid dissolving rock. Carbonic acid is formed when water absorbs carbon dioxide, and I think this is one prime kettle scaler: heat the water, CO2 leaves, and the with the acid gone the dissolved rock precipitates. And it can be calcium or magnesium carbonate. Might be sulphate in there, too.

    I have found that mechanical scrubbing gets a lot of the limescale out of the kettle, scrub with a brush, rinse -- 16 °dH here.


    Thomas Prufer
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  • From Thomas Prufer@prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Sun Jul 6 08:46:14 2025
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    On 5 Jul 2025 09:25:42 GMT, D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

    I have an IKEA diswasher manual in front of me, >https://www.ikea.com/nl/en/manuals/rengora-integrated-dishwasher-ikea-300__AA-2192023-3-1.pdf.

    I like that it advises not to store explosives in it (page 5). but I am >baffled by the table on page 8.

    It says that "average"(?) water hardness is 12-16 ?dH.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water#Hard/soft_classification says that >12-16 ?dH is deep into very hard territory.

    The hardness classification seems country-dependent:

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasserh%C3%A4rte#Alte_H%C3%A4rtebereiche_zur_Dosierung_von_Waschmitteln

    says 14-21,3 is hard, above 21,3 °dH is "very hard" -- but this is "old classification". "New" is "hard for more than 14 °dH...



    Thomas Prufer
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