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I had some aluminium gutters fitted about a year ago, and the the plastic downpipe has come loose from the main gutter. Rain (if and when) just dribbles down the wall.

I phoned the installer about a month ago - they said they'd get on it but haven't, yet.

On closer inspection I'm not sure about the installation. The gutter is one long piece, about 15m, with what seems to be a hole drilled in it to accommodate the downpipe. I've no idea how the downpipe is fixed and sealed - there's no T-piece that you'd normally see.

Anybody with experience of this sort of thing? A couple of pics here:

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mG1CvrSGH9Uzt

The red circle is where the downpipe is located - I couldn't lean out far enough to show the hole.
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On 25/08/2025 10:41, RJH wrote:

I had some aluminium gutters fitted about a year ago, and the the plastic downpipe has come loose from the main gutter. Rain (if and when) just dribbles
down the wall.

I phoned the installer about a month ago - they said they'd get on it but haven't, yet.

On closer inspection I'm not sure about the installation. The gutter is one long piece, about 15m, with what seems to be a hole drilled in it to accommodate the downpipe. I've no idea how the downpipe is fixed and sealed - there's no T-piece that you'd normally see.

Anybody with experience of this sort of thing? A couple of pics here:

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mG1CvrSGH9Uzt

The red circle is where the downpipe is located - I couldn't lean out far enough to show the hole.

That looks decidedly odd. Are you saying that the downpipe has come away
and you can just see a hole in the gutter where the downpipe "fits"?
There should be an extension down from the gutter which the pipe fits
over. If there isn't one, that's not right.

How long is the downpipe? If all else fails and you can get to the top
of the pipe (or can get the pipe down to ground level), you could run
some black silicone cement round the top of the pipe and push it up so
that it forms a seal between the downpipe and the gutter. It'll have to
be held in place somehow for at least 12 hours to dry reasonably well.
At least it would stop water from the gutter pouring down the wall when
it does rain until a proper repair can be done.
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On 25 Aug 2025 at 11:47:54 BST, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 25/08/2025 10:41, RJH wrote:

I had some aluminium gutters fitted about a year ago, and the the plastic
downpipe has come loose from the main gutter. Rain (if and when) just dribbles
down the wall.

I phoned the installer about a month ago - they said they'd get on it but
haven't, yet.

On closer inspection I'm not sure about the installation. The gutter is one >> long piece, about 15m, with what seems to be a hole drilled in it to
accommodate the downpipe. I've no idea how the downpipe is fixed and sealed -
there's no T-piece that you'd normally see.

Anybody with experience of this sort of thing? A couple of pics here:

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mG1CvrSGH9Uzt

The red circle is where the downpipe is located - I couldn't lean out far
enough to show the hole.

That looks decidedly odd. Are you saying that the downpipe has come away
and you can just see a hole in the gutter where the downpipe "fits"?

Yes - it hasn't fully exposed the hole, just shifted over an inch or two. The photo isn't that clear as I'm taking it from the ground, looking up.

There should be an extension down from the gutter which the pipe fits
over. If there isn't one, that's not right.

That's what I thought.

How long is the downpipe?

About 3 metres.

If all else fails and you can get to the top
of the pipe (or can get the pipe down to ground level), you could run
some black silicone cement round the top of the pipe and push it up so
that it forms a seal between the downpipe and the gutter. It'll have to
be held in place somehow for at least 12 hours to dry reasonably well.
At least it would stop water from the gutter pouring down the wall when
it does rain until a proper repair can be done.

Yes, could do, thanks.
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RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

I had some aluminium gutters fitted about a year ago, and the the plastic downpipe has come loose from the main gutter. Rain (if and when) just dribbles
down the wall.

I phoned the installer about a month ago - they said they'd get on it but haven't, yet.

On closer inspection I'm not sure about the installation. The gutter is one long piece, about 15m, with what seems to be a hole drilled in it to accommodate the downpipe. I've no idea how the downpipe is fixed and sealed - there's no T-piece that you'd normally see.

Anybody with experience of this sort of thing? A couple of pics here:

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mG1CvrSGH9Uzt

The red circle is where the downpipe is located - I couldn't lean out far enough to show the hole.

For some reason Safari will not display your photo. The only other
continuous gutters I am familiar with are wooden gutters where a hole is drilled to match the Downpipe, in that instance a flanged lead sleeve is inserted to direct the flow into the downpipe. A good builders merchant
should stock them even a plumbers merchant

Richard

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Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:

RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

I had some aluminium gutters fitted about a year ago, and the the plastic
downpipe has come loose from the main gutter. Rain (if and when) just dribbles
down the wall.

I phoned the installer about a month ago - they said they'd get on it but
haven't, yet.

On closer inspection I'm not sure about the installation. The gutter is one >> long piece, about 15m, with what seems to be a hole drilled in it to
accommodate the downpipe. I've no idea how the downpipe is fixed and sealed -
there's no T-piece that you'd normally see.

Anybody with experience of this sort of thing? A couple of pics here:

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mG1CvrSGH9Uzt

The red circle is where the downpipe is located - I couldn't lean out far
enough to show the hole.

For some reason Safari will not display your photo. The only other
continuous gutters I am familiar with are wooden gutters where a hole is drilled to match the Downpipe, in that instance a flanged lead sleeve is inserted to direct the flow into the downpipe. A good builders merchant should stock them even a plumbers merchant

Richard

Found an example

https://www.theroofshack.co.uk/Lead-Wooden-Gutter-Outlets


Richard

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Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:

Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:

RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

I had some aluminium gutters fitted about a year ago, and the the plastic >>> downpipe has come loose from the main gutter. Rain (if and when) just dribbles
down the wall.

I phoned the installer about a month ago - they said they'd get on it but >>> haven't, yet.

On closer inspection I'm not sure about the installation. The gutter is one >>> long piece, about 15m, with what seems to be a hole drilled in it to
accommodate the downpipe. I've no idea how the downpipe is fixed and sealed -
there's no T-piece that you'd normally see.

Anybody with experience of this sort of thing? A couple of pics here:

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mG1CvrSGH9Uzt

The red circle is where the downpipe is located - I couldn't lean out far >>> enough to show the hole.

For some reason Safari will not display your photo. The only other
continuous gutters I am familiar with are wooden gutters where a hole is
drilled to match the Downpipe, in that instance a flanged lead sleeve is
inserted to direct the flow into the downpipe. A good builders merchant
should stock them even a plumbers merchant

Richard

Found an example

https://www.theroofshack.co.uk/Lead-Wooden-Gutter-Outlets

Richard

Even a plastic version but may not suit the profile of your guttering
although a little application of heat might enable you to form it
appropriately

https://buildingplasticsdirect.co.uk/products/twinplas-gutter-screw-in-outlet

Richard

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On 25/08/2025 14:24, Tricky Dicky wrote:

Even a plastic version but may not suit the profile of your guttering although a little application of heat might enable you to form it appropriately

https://buildingplasticsdirect.co.uk/products/twinplas-gutter-screw-in-outlet

Richard

Time for some 3d printing?
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On 25/08/2025 14:28, mm0fmf wrote:

On 25/08/2025 14:24, Tricky Dicky wrote:

Even a plastic version but may not suit the profile of your guttering
although a little application of heat might enable you to form it
appropriately

https://buildingplasticsdirect.co.uk/products/twinplas-gutter-screw-in-outlet

Richard

Time for some 3d printing?

+1.

But you need ASA or ABS. PLA wont last 5 minutes under sun
3D printer isn't cheap. nut by the time you tot up all those little
expensive broken plastic thingummys you need to buy off ebay, it starts
to pay for itself.
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returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain

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On 25 Aug 2025 at 14:24:29 BST, Tricky Dicky wrote:

Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:

Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:

RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

I had some aluminium gutters fitted about a year ago, and the the plastic >>>> downpipe has come loose from the main gutter. Rain (if and when) just dribbles
down the wall.

I phoned the installer about a month ago - they said they'd get on it but >>>> haven't, yet.

On closer inspection I'm not sure about the installation. The gutter is one
long piece, about 15m, with what seems to be a hole drilled in it to
accommodate the downpipe. I've no idea how the downpipe is fixed and sealed -
there's no T-piece that you'd normally see.

Anybody with experience of this sort of thing? A couple of pics here:

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mG1CvrSGH9Uzt

The red circle is where the downpipe is located - I couldn't lean out far >>>> enough to show the hole.

For some reason Safari will not display your photo. The only other
continuous gutters I am familiar with are wooden gutters where a hole is >>> drilled to match the Downpipe, in that instance a flanged lead sleeve is >>> inserted to direct the flow into the downpipe. A good builders merchant
should stock them even a plumbers merchant

Richard

Found an example

https://www.theroofshack.co.uk/Lead-Wooden-Gutter-Outlets


Richard

Even a plastic version but may not suit the profile of your guttering although a little application of heat might enable you to form it appropriately

https://buildingplasticsdirect.co.uk/products/twinplas-gutter-screw-in-outlet

Richard

Thanks - that's got it. I found some more pictures I took when I had the opportunity to get up there. I've posted them - hopefully they're showing now.

A couple show the arrangement at the other end of the gutter. Something like this:

https://peakproducts.com/en-us/p/aluminum-gutter-outlet-leaf-strainer-combo/

is inserted. My pics show a dome leaf strainer above the hole in the gutter.

The other is the offending part before the downpipe was fitted, showing a sleeve over which the downpipe would fit. Somehow, that's become dislodged, or maybe snapped.

Thanks for the pointers.

I'm sure a gutter person would know where to get replacement outlet insert but none showing in my searches of gutter shops.
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On Mon, 8/25/2025 10:40 AM, RJH wrote:

On 25 Aug 2025 at 14:24:29 BST, Tricky Dicky wrote:

Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:

Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:

RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

I had some aluminium gutters fitted about a year ago, and the the plastic >>>>> downpipe has come loose from the main gutter. Rain (if and when) just dribbles
down the wall.

I phoned the installer about a month ago - they said they'd get on it but >>>>> haven't, yet.

On closer inspection I'm not sure about the installation. The gutter is one
long piece, about 15m, with what seems to be a hole drilled in it to >>>>> accommodate the downpipe. I've no idea how the downpipe is fixed and sealed -
there's no T-piece that you'd normally see.

Anybody with experience of this sort of thing? A couple of pics here: >>>>>
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mG1CvrSGH9Uzt

The red circle is where the downpipe is located - I couldn't lean out far >>>>> enough to show the hole.

For some reason Safari will not display your photo. The only other
continuous gutters I am familiar with are wooden gutters where a hole is >>>> drilled to match the Downpipe, in that instance a flanged lead sleeve is >>>> inserted to direct the flow into the downpipe. A good builders merchant >>>> should stock them even a plumbers merchant

Richard

Found an example

https://www.theroofshack.co.uk/Lead-Wooden-Gutter-Outlets


Richard

Even a plastic version but may not suit the profile of your guttering
although a little application of heat might enable you to form it
appropriately

https://buildingplasticsdirect.co.uk/products/twinplas-gutter-screw-in-outlet

Richard

Thanks - that's got it. I found some more pictures I took when I had the opportunity to get up there. I've posted them - hopefully they're showing now.

A couple show the arrangement at the other end of the gutter. Something like this:

https://peakproducts.com/en-us/p/aluminum-gutter-outlet-leaf-strainer-combo/

is inserted. My pics show a dome leaf strainer above the hole in the gutter.

The other is the offending part before the downpipe was fitted, showing a sleeve over which the downpipe would fit. Somehow, that's become dislodged, or
maybe snapped.

Thanks for the pointers.

I'm sure a gutter person would know where to get replacement outlet insert but
none showing in my searches of gutter shops.

These are some scraps from the old system that was on the house.
The gutter presently in use is a bit larger dimensions, but the operating principles remain the same. I keep scraps like this around, for odd projects.

One self-tapping screw per side goes into the down-pipe, where it fastens to the
plastic adapter. That connection is not load bearing. The vertical run
of pipe is held to the wall, with rawl-plug and pipe-strap, and a screw
through the two arms of the pipe strap, keeps the pipe fastened to the strap. And the screw behind the pipe, holds the strap to the wall. And that strapping, every so many feet on the vertical run, should be mostly holding the pipe to the adapter,
so the four screws don't have to work too hard.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/XYQyJMcR/downpipe-self-tapping-screws-straps.gif

The plastic adapter is bedded in caulk where it is seated. While a silicon
seal (the modern kind, not the acetic acid kind) can bed the adapter, there
is also a petroleum-based product intended for that particular job. The installer
used a few tubes of that up, before the job was done. But not every point in
a system needs caulk, and some parts need to come apart for cleaning
and maintenance. And gravity (mostly) ensures the water goes where it is supposed to go.

To cut a hole for the plastic adapter, in the aluminium one-piece gutter,
you can first make a template to fit the adapter shape. While on the ladder, run your pencil around the template, to transfer the shape to the gutter.
Drill a pilot hole, then put the head of your nibbling tool through the hole, and you can cut a reasonably precise irregular hole in the gutter. Because it fits the plastic adapter snugly, there is less need to be driving screws
into the top of the adapter.

https://www.colemanracing.com/Shop-Equipment/Tools/NIBBLER-SHEET-METAL-TOOL

Paul
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On 26 Aug 2025 at 10:32:24 BST, Paul wrote:

On Mon, 8/25/2025 10:40 AM, RJH wrote:

On 25 Aug 2025 at 14:24:29 BST, Tricky Dicky wrote:

Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:

Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:

RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

I had some aluminium gutters fitted about a year ago, and the the plastic
downpipe has come loose from the main gutter. Rain (if and when) just dribbles
down the wall.

I phoned the installer about a month ago - they said they'd get on it but
haven't, yet.

On closer inspection I'm not sure about the installation. The gutter is one
long piece, about 15m, with what seems to be a hole drilled in it to >>>>>> accommodate the downpipe. I've no idea how the downpipe is fixed and sealed -
there's no T-piece that you'd normally see.

Anybody with experience of this sort of thing? A couple of pics here: >>>>>>
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mG1CvrSGH9Uzt

The red circle is where the downpipe is located - I couldn't lean out far
enough to show the hole.

For some reason Safari will not display your photo. The only other
continuous gutters I am familiar with are wooden gutters where a hole is >>>>> drilled to match the Downpipe, in that instance a flanged lead sleeve is >>>>> inserted to direct the flow into the downpipe. A good builders merchant >>>>> should stock them even a plumbers merchant

Richard

Found an example

https://www.theroofshack.co.uk/Lead-Wooden-Gutter-Outlets


Richard

Even a plastic version but may not suit the profile of your guttering
although a little application of heat might enable you to form it
appropriately

https://buildingplasticsdirect.co.uk/products/twinplas-gutter-screw-in-outlet

Richard

Thanks - that's got it. I found some more pictures I took when I had the
opportunity to get up there. I've posted them - hopefully they're showing now.

A couple show the arrangement at the other end of the gutter. Something like >> this:

https://peakproducts.com/en-us/p/aluminum-gutter-outlet-leaf-strainer-combo/ >>
is inserted. My pics show a dome leaf strainer above the hole in the gutter. >>
The other is the offending part before the downpipe was fitted, showing a
sleeve over which the downpipe would fit. Somehow, that's become dislodged, or
maybe snapped.

Thanks for the pointers.

I'm sure a gutter person would know where to get replacement outlet insert but
none showing in my searches of gutter shops.

These are some scraps from the old system that was on the house.
The gutter presently in use is a bit larger dimensions, but the operating principles remain the same. I keep scraps like this around, for odd projects.

One self-tapping screw per side goes into the down-pipe, where it fastens to the
plastic adapter. That connection is not load bearing. The vertical run
of pipe is held to the wall, with rawl-plug and pipe-strap, and a screw through the two arms of the pipe strap, keeps the pipe fastened to the strap. And the screw behind the pipe, holds the strap to the wall. And that strapping,
every so many feet on the vertical run, should be mostly holding the pipe to the adapter,
so the four screws don't have to work too hard.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/XYQyJMcR/downpipe-self-tapping-screws-straps.gif

That seems to be the system I've got. The mystery is where the outlet piece
has gone.

The plastic adapter is bedded in caulk where it is seated. While a silicon seal (the modern kind, not the acetic acid kind) can bed the adapter, there is also a petroleum-based product intended for that particular job. The installer
used a few tubes of that up, before the job was done. But not every point in a system needs caulk, and some parts need to come apart for cleaning
and maintenance. And gravity (mostly) ensures the water goes where it is supposed to go.

Yes, I'm not sure what if anything the installer used to seal the outlet.

To cut a hole for the plastic adapter, in the aluminium one-piece gutter,
you can first make a template to fit the adapter shape. While on the ladder, run your pencil around the template, to transfer the shape to the gutter. Drill a pilot hole, then put the head of your nibbling tool through the hole, and you can cut a reasonably precise irregular hole in the gutter. Because it fits the plastic adapter snugly, there is less need to be driving screws
into the top of the adapter.

https://www.colemanracing.com/Shop-Equipment/Tools/NIBBLER-SHEET-METAL-TOOL

Thanks. The hole is already there in my case.
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