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Give how little gas we use now (gas hob and wok burner only) it's
looking like converting to bottled gas might make sense. In the
long term we are planning a new kitchen, induction hob etc but
realistically that may be a year or two off.

I'm guessing that the gas bottle will have to go outside. If it
*can* go somewhere indoors it would make gas plumbing a lot
simpler. (We have an integral garage that shares a wall with our
kitchen) Can any of the existing gas pipework be used? I
appreciate that there are tighter standards for bottled
gases.

Tim


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On 24/08/2025 21:05, tim+ wrote:

Give how little gas we use now (gas hob and wok burner only) it's
looking like converting to bottled gas might make sense. In the
long term we are planning a new kitchen, induction hob etc but
realistically that may be a year or two off.

I'm guessing that the gas bottle will have to go outside. If it
*can* go somewhere indoors it would make gas plumbing a lot
simpler. (We have an integral garage that shares a wall with our
kitchen) Can any of the existing gas pipework be used? I
appreciate that there are tighter standards for bottled
gases.

I see the average standing charge for natural gas is -u100 per year. A
47kg bottle of propane should last a modest time, though is it normal to
have 2 so you can switch over. A 13.5kg gets expensive.

I would have the bottle(s) outside if you can.

You will need to re-jet your cooker. Shouldn't be difficult to obtain
the jets and fit if you have a standard make of cooker. You still need
the changeover and regulator. Your existing pipework will be fine.

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tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Give how little gas we use now (gas hob and wok burner only) it's
looking like converting to bottled gas might make sense. In the
long term we are planning a new kitchen, induction hob etc but
realistically that may be a year or two off.

I'm guessing that the gas bottle will have to go outside. If it
*can* go somewhere indoors it would make gas plumbing a lot
simpler. (We have an integral garage that shares a wall with our
kitchen) Can any of the existing gas pipework be used? I
appreciate that there are tighter standards for bottled
gases.

Tim

When

I would be surprised if it is cheaper.

I recall a friend who used propane going to considerable effort to convert
to rCymainsrCO gas. He lived in a cul-d- sac, in a village. The gas company either had pipes at the entrance or where laying them but, they wouldnrCOt
dig the trenches to the houses in the cul-d-sac, at least unless funded.

He convinced his neighbours to dig the trenches. The gas was connected and
he cut his bills.

True he used gas for heating - not sure about cooking- but mains gas was
much cheaper.

Certainly if you plan to go induction later, it seems unwise.

Plus, you would need to source the replacement orifices for your hob etc.

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Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:

tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Give how little gas we use now (gas hob and wok burner only) it's
looking like converting to bottled gas might make sense. In the
long term we are planning a new kitchen, induction hob etc but
realistically that may be a year or two off.

I'm guessing that the gas bottle will have to go outside. If it
*can* go somewhere indoors it would make gas plumbing a lot
simpler. (We have an integral garage that shares a wall with our
kitchen) Can any of the existing gas pipework be used? I
appreciate that there are tighter standards for bottled
gases.

Tim


When

I would be surprised if it is cheaper.

WerCOre using about -u1.20 worth of gas a month but 30p a day standing
charger.

Tim
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Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:

WerCOre using about -u1.20 worth of gas a month but 30p a day standing charger.

So about -u120 a year. What would you spend on bottled gas? How long were
you planning on keeping the gas bottle arrangement, to amortise the installation costs?

Another option would be some plug-in imduction hotplates, which can be
bought cheap (eg Ikea) and then sold on later.

Or, possibly, buy your chosen induction hob and switch it for the gas hob in your old kitchen. Quite possible they're the same size and a drop in replacement - there's probably an existing cooker circuit for power. Then
keep it when you redo the kitchen.

Theo
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On 24/08/2025 21:05, tim+ wrote:

Give how little gas we use now (gas hob and wok burner only) it's
looking like converting to bottled gas might make sense. In the
long term we are planning a new kitchen, induction hob etc but
realistically that may be a year or two off.

I'm guessing that the gas bottle will have to go outside. If it
*can* go somewhere indoors it would make gas plumbing a lot
simpler. (We have an integral garage that shares a wall with our
kitchen) Can any of the existing gas pipework be used? I
appreciate that there are tighter standards for bottled
gases.

From memory;
All new propane installations must be external & cylinders must be on a
raised solid foundation (normally concrete) due to the gas being heavier
than air.
There will be restrictions on how close the cylinder(s) can be placed
with regards to openings (doors & windows).
Because of your small usage you may get away with a single cylinder but
work out whether the benefits of 2 cylinders on an automatic changeover outweigh the costs.
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On 8/25/2025 10:46 AM, wasbit wrote:

On 24/08/2025 21:05, tim+ wrote:

Give how little gas we use now (gas hob and wok burner only) it's
-a looking like converting to bottled gas might make sense. In the
-a long term we are planning a new kitchen, induction hob etc but
-a realistically that may be a year or two off.

I'm guessing that the gas bottle will have to go outside. If it
-a *can* go somewhere indoors it would make gas plumbing a lot
-a simpler. (We have an integral garage that shares a wall with our
-a kitchen)-a Can any of the existing gas pipework be used? I
-a appreciate that there are tighter standards for bottled
-a gases.

From memory;
All new propane installations must be external & cylinders must be on a raised solid foundation (normally concrete) due to the gas being heavier than air.
There will be restrictions on how close the cylinder(s) can be placed
with regards to openings (doors & windows).
Because of your small usage you may get away with a single cylinder but
work out whether the benefits of 2 cylinders on an automatic changeover outweigh the costs.

I believe there are also restrictions concerning distances from
drainpipes, when they empty into open gullies.

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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:

WerCOre using about -u1.20 worth of gas a month but 30p a day standing
charger.

So about -u120 a year. What would you spend on bottled gas? How long were you planning on keeping the gas bottle arrangement, to amortise the installation costs?

We have a 13kg cylinder for the barbecue that could be pressed into service
so no new cylinder needed.

So thatrCOs about 182kWhrs of gas for around -u50. WerCOre consuming 15 - 18 kW
hrs a month for cooking purposes so a cylinder would last about 10 months.

Installation cost might be the biggest issue. *If* having the cylinder in
our integral garage is allowed the installation would be a piece of cake as
the hob is by the wall between the kitchen and the garage.

I rather suspect itrCOs not though which would make things a bit tricker.
Not sure what it would cost to have a new pipe run to it.

I donrCOt really want to use the existing pipework (even if allowed) as itrCOs been modified many times and probably has numerous dead legs. IrCOd much rather have a continuous small bore pipe from regulator to appliance with
no underfloor joins.

Another option would be some plug-in imduction hotplates, which can be
bought cheap (eg Ikea) and then sold on later.

Or, possibly, buy your chosen induction hob and switch it for the gas hob in your old kitchen. Quite possible they're the same size and a drop in replacement - there's probably an existing cooker circuit for power. Then keep it when you redo the kitchen.

We do have a countertop one but itrCOs just a single pan unit so not a decent substitute. Our existing hob is part of a floor standing oven/grill/hob
unit so and electric hob canrCOt be rCLdropped inrCY.

Tim
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On 25/08/2025 13:27, Tim+ wrote:

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Installation cost might be the biggest issue. *If* having the cylinder in our integral garage is allowed the installation would be a piece of cake as the hob is by the wall between the kitchen and the garage.

I rather suspect itrCOs not though which would make things a bit tricker.
Not sure what it would cost to have a new pipe run to it.

I'm pretty sure bottles have to be placed in a well ventilated area and
that excluded attached garages

I donrCOt really want to use the existing pipework (even if allowed) as itrCOs
been modified many times and probably has numerous dead legs. IrCOd much rather have a continuous small bore pipe from regulator to appliance with
no underfloor joins.

Using the existing pipework would be the obvious choice. Check for leaks before writing this off. You did say it was temporary?
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Tim+ wrote:

If having the cylinder in
our integral garage is allowed the installation would be a piece of cake as the hob is by the wall between the kitchen and the garage.

There are self-contained heaters (e.g. Superser) that use a 13kg butane cylinder, not sure if that's because propane is not allowed indoors?
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On 2025-08-24, tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Give how little gas we use now (gas hob and wok burner only) it's
looking like converting to bottled gas might make sense. In the
long term we are planning a new kitchen, induction hob etc but
realistically that may be a year or two off.

I'm guessing that the gas bottle will have to go outside. If it
*can* go somewhere indoors it would make gas plumbing a lot
simpler. (We have an integral garage that shares a wall with our
kitchen) Can any of the existing gas pipework be used? I
appreciate that there are tighter standards for bottled
gases.

I remember the switch from coal-gas to methane. They had to change the
burners on all of the devices. I'm pretty sure that switching to propane
would be the same. You might need new piping but I'm sure it will at least need a sign-off from a gas-safe engineer.
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Wigan
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