• Re: Smoke detectors

    From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Aug 21 21:31:18 2025
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    On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 19:42:35 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 14/08/2025 20:38, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 14/08/2025 19:41, Andy Burns wrote:
    Timatmarford wrote:

    All I want to do is replace the batteries.

    Presume they're not 10 year fixed life, then bin it, versions?

    Pass. This is about year 6. I wonder if the powered retention is
    electromagnetic and the retainer has become magnetised.

    There is a clear instruction to insert a screwdriver in a slot and then
    slide off the cover. The batteries are 9V.

    We had a CO detector in the kitchen, until recently, which would sound
    off around 20 minutes _after_ we had finished grilling food.
    It would then carry on for ages & ages before I could finally get it to
    shut up.
    I finally screwdrivered it with exteme prejudice, and ripped the leads
    off its sounder.
    Silence is golden.

    A very resourceful initiative though personally I would have
    investigated the source of the carbon monoxide since CO2 has the
    ability to kill people.
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  • From Tricky Dicky@tricky.dicky@sky.com to uk.d-i-y on Thu Aug 21 22:59:32 2025
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    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 14/08/2025 21:32, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 14/08/2025 21:04, Scott wrote:
    On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:59:33 +0100, Timatmarford <tim@marford.uk.com>
    wrote:

    On 14/08/2025 20:50, Andy Burns wrote:
    Timatmarford wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:
    Timatmarford wrote:

    All I want to do is replace the batteries.

    Presume they're not 10 year fixed life, then bin it, versions?

    Pass. This is about year 6.

    Mine lasted 12 years.

    I wonder if the powered retention is electromagnetic and the retainer >>>>>> has become magnetised.

    There is a clear instruction to insert a screwdriver in a slot and >>>>>> then slide off the cover. The batteries are 9V.

    Mine had a stack of larger coin cells, all heat-shrinked together.

    On closer examination, there is a label saying replace by 2029. I assume >>>> this relates to the detector itself rather than anything battery
    related.>

    Could it be that the 'instruction' is to allow you to separate the
    unit from the base plate? When you say 'batteries' I cannot imagine
    there would-a be more than one 9 volt battery. Are you sure the battery
    is replaceable? Mine is not.

    Umm. I'm fairly sure I have had at least one cover off and remember it
    being difficult.

    I'll try your sliding technique tomorrow having had a more thorough
    search for the instructions. Manufacturers name would be helpful.
    Nothing visible externally.


    Some have a base plate screwed to the ceiling, and the whole alarm comes away from that - twist it or unclip it.


    Most of the Fireangel make do that but I do not think they have any that
    have replaceable batteries. The only advantage of their system is that you
    can leave the old baseplate in place and simply attach the new alarm to it.

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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to uk.d-i-y on Fri Aug 22 01:23:28 2025
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    On 21/08/2025 21:31, Scott wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 19:42:35 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 14/08/2025 20:38, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 14/08/2025 19:41, Andy Burns wrote:
    Timatmarford wrote:

    All I want to do is replace the batteries.

    Presume they're not 10 year fixed life, then bin it, versions?

    Pass. This is about year 6. I wonder if the powered retention is
    electromagnetic and the retainer has become magnetised.

    There is a clear instruction to insert a screwdriver in a slot and then
    slide off the cover. The batteries are 9V.

    We had a CO detector in the kitchen, until recently, which would sound
    off around 20 minutes _after_ we had finished grilling food.
    It would then carry on for ages & ages before I could finally get it to
    shut up.
    I finally screwdrivered it with exteme prejudice, and ripped the leads
    off its sounder.
    Silence is golden.

    A very resourceful initiative though personally I would have
    investigated the source of the carbon monoxide since CO2 has the
    ability to kill people.

    You assume there actually was CO present. I spent some effort to check
    and found no evidence of it.

    1. The only flames around (the grill) would be extinguished 20 minutes
    before the alarm would sound.
    2. We have another CO alarm (for the woodstove in the living room) and
    on a number of occasions I moved that into the kitchen as a check - no
    alarm from that one.
    3. I would try & silence the bliddy alarm by taking it into a room in a different part of the house and press & hold the shut off button. The
    alarm would keep on sounding - despite now being nowhere near the
    putative source of CO.
    --
    Sam Plusnet
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Fri Aug 22 09:58:54 2025
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    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 01:23:28 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 21/08/2025 21:31, Scott wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 19:42:35 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 14/08/2025 20:38, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 14/08/2025 19:41, Andy Burns wrote:
    Timatmarford wrote:

    All I want to do is replace the batteries.

    Presume they're not 10 year fixed life, then bin it, versions?

    Pass. This is about year 6. I wonder if the powered retention is
    electromagnetic and the retainer has become magnetised.

    There is a clear instruction to insert a screwdriver in a slot and then >>>> slide off the cover. The batteries are 9V.

    We had a CO detector in the kitchen, until recently, which would sound
    off around 20 minutes _after_ we had finished grilling food.
    It would then carry on for ages & ages before I could finally get it to
    shut up.
    I finally screwdrivered it with exteme prejudice, and ripped the leads
    off its sounder.
    Silence is golden.

    A very resourceful initiative though personally I would have
    investigated the source of the carbon monoxide since CO2 has the
    ability to kill people.

    You assume there actually was CO present. I spent some effort to check
    and found no evidence of it.

    1. The only flames around (the grill) would be extinguished 20 minutes >before the alarm would sound.
    2. We have another CO alarm (for the woodstove in the living room) and
    on a number of occasions I moved that into the kitchen as a check - no
    alarm from that one.
    3. I would try & silence the bliddy alarm by taking it into a room in a >different part of the house and press & hold the shut off button. The
    alarm would keep on sounding - despite now being nowhere near the
    putative source of CO.

    I should have said CO of course. If you have removed the kitchen
    alarm, are you not required by law to install a replacement unit, or
    does this only apply in Scotland?
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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.d-i-y on Fri Aug 22 09:39:09 2025
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    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    We had a CO detector in the kitchen, until recently, which would sound
    off around 20 minutes _after_ we had finished grilling food.
    It would then carry on for ages & ages before I could finally get it to
    shut up.
    I finally screwdrivered it with exteme prejudice, and ripped the leads
    off its sounder.
    Silence is golden.

    ItrCOs possible that your reluctant CO alarm worked not by measuring instantaneous levels of the gas, but the accumulated dose over perhaps 30
    or 60 minutes, which is of course more dangerous than that of an transitory high reading.

    You could have had a very high reading from the grilling process, which
    when smoothed out over the integration period was nonetheless enough to
    trigger the warning, although by then was of no danger to you.

    The long period of alarm sounding was possibly to this, and when the next integration period resulted in a level that was insufficient to trigger the alarm, it stopped soundingrCa
    --
    Spike

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  • From John R Walliker@jrwalliker@gmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Fri Aug 22 23:22:10 2025
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    On 22/08/2025 10:39, Spike wrote:
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    We had a CO detector in the kitchen, until recently, which would sound
    off around 20 minutes _after_ we had finished grilling food.
    It would then carry on for ages & ages before I could finally get it to
    shut up.
    I finally screwdrivered it with exteme prejudice, and ripped the leads
    off its sounder.
    Silence is golden.

    ItrCOs possible that your reluctant CO alarm worked not by measuring instantaneous levels of the gas, but the accumulated dose over perhaps 30
    or 60 minutes, which is of course more dangerous than that of an transitory high reading.

    You could have had a very high reading from the grilling process, which
    when smoothed out over the integration period was nonetheless enough to trigger the warning, although by then was of no danger to you.

    The long period of alarm sounding was possibly to this, and when the next integration period resulted in a level that was insufficient to trigger the alarm, it stopped soundingrCa

    There is a British Standard (BS EN 50291-1:2018) for CO detectors
    which specifies the time/concentration integration characteristics.
    They are required to ignore brief exposure to CO at moderate
    levels but not at high levels. The intention is to avoid
    false alarms from a cigarette being smoked nearby while still
    responding to sustained low levels.
    John

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