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On 2025-07-04 11:42, alan_m wrote:
On 04/07/2025 10:46, JNugent wrote:
UK Power Networks (or other regional body) will install a home
charging point for you. Next door are having it done at the moment.
OK if you have your own off road parking
Where I live there are areas (square miles) where it's all on street
parking both sides of narrow roads in front of properties where there
is no space for an off street parking bay. More than half the housing
stock in the UK was built before mass car ownership was considered to
be possible.
Just watch a 1950s Britsh B movie shown of Talking Picture TV channel
to see how few cars were parked in a typical urban street.
I see the council in the area adjacent to me (Central Beds) have an
offer on a system for charging on the road: "Kerbo Charge", an approved channel across the footpath. They are offering a discount for early
adopters but it's still eye-wateringly expensive!
On Fri, 04 Jul 2025 09:40:39 +0000, Tim+ wrote:
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
[quoted text muted]I would certainly agree that it’s a big issue for anyone who can’t
charge at home at present. If the government really want to encourage
uptake they have to find a way of providing lower cost public charging.
I wouldn’t own an EV without access to home charging.
That won't happen.
When the intersection of autonomous cars meets sky high energy prices
meets EVS, then you'll end up with EVs toddling off to charge when you
are sleeping.
And some genius will say "hey, while it's doing that, it can carry fares".
Especially if you have groups of chums all chipping in to buy an EV with
the sole intention of doing that.
It's quite amazing how much automobiles cost compared to how long they
are used for in a day ...
On 2025-07-04 13:33, fred wrote:
nib <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> wrote in
news:mcprcbFbnj9U1@mid.individual.net:
On 2025-07-04 11:42, alan_m wrote:
On 04/07/2025 10:46, JNugent wrote:
UK Power Networks (or other regional body) will install a home
charging point for you. Next door are having it done at the moment.
OK if you have your own off road parking
Where I live there are areas (square miles) where it's all on street
parking both sides of narrow roads in front of properties where there
is no space for an off street parking bay. More than half the
housing stock in the UK was built before mass car ownership was
considered to be possible.
Just watch a 1950s Britsh B movie shown of Talking Picture TV channel
to see how few cars were parked in a typical urban street.
I see the council in the area adjacent to me (Central Beds) have an
offer on a system for charging on the road: "Kerbo Charge", an
approved channel across the footpath. They are offering a discount for
early adopters but it's still eye-wateringly expensive!
Providing a reserved parking space for the subscriber? That should
make for
a fun enforcement situation.
Yes, like most of the ideas being tried for those without off-road
parking, it assumes that neighbours get on to some extent.
It's very rare that someone not visiting me parks outside my house, but
I also have off-road parking. And the strip of highway between my
property and the road is actually laid to lawn which I look after so I
could drape across it if necessary.
The row of 7kW chargers near me works by being free-for-all parking
during the day for a school, a health centre and a pharmacy, but
overnight and at weekends it's used by locals charging.
Jeff Gaines wrote:
Nobody has ôrange anxietyö with ICE cars because you can refuel
anywhere within a matter of minutes. Once that becomes true for EV's
people's views will change.
Indeed. On a recent journey we had some difficulty in finding a
working town centre charge point at our destination, despite
downloading even more Apps than we already had. We eventually
called at a motorway services, which had its own problems.
I contacted them later:
"Arriving last Saturday teatime, in heavy rain, we were initially
delighted to see an impressive array of EV chargers, most of them
available.
Our initial task was to spot a CHAdeMO charger. We were not able,
from inside the car, to identify this. We therefore had to pull
into a space. It became clear that, only by prodding each of the
enormous touchscreens, was the type of socket identified. Having
worked our way along the line, we finally found the single
CHAdeMO on site.
However, the screen showed "Unavailable". We tried various
combinations of unplugging, waving cards and muttering
incantations, to no avail. Thinking it might be a software glitch
that could be remotely reset, more in hope than expectation, we
rang the helpline.
They were able to tell us that the equipment was working as
designed, because only one output at a time is available on that
pillar, and the CCS was in use. Helpfully, they were able to tell
us that the car using the CCS output was nearly fully charged,
and after a short wait we were able to connect.
I accept that CHAdeMO is now not the favoured connector, but I
believe that things could be arranged better.
It ought to be possible to identify the type of connector(s) on
each pillar from within a vehicle, before pulling into a space. I
guess the operator prefers to use their enormous screen to
achieve their chosen look. Indication of the connector type could
easily be shown here instead. Alternatively, separate signage
could be affixed.
The fact that, only on this particular pillar, the two outputs
are not available simultaneously, should be made plain.
"Unavailable" has a number of potential interpretations. Sadly,
the number of charge points nationwide having technical problems
is significant. We were on the verge of heading to another
location.
A CCS user entering the charging area arrives first at the shared
pillar. There is no indication to them that, by using it, instead
of any of the many other pillars, they are inadvertently blocking
use of the only CHAdeMO connector.
I have no idea if the single output limitation would also apply
if both were CHAdeMO, but even if so, this might be an
improvement, as it would stop CCS users blocking CHAdeMO.
I salute your efforts to support the growing community of EV
users, and, I feel sure you would want to address this problem
area."
They replied sympathetically, and promised to pass the comments
on to their contractor. Things need to get a lot better.
Chris
On 04/07/2025 12:16 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jul 2025 09:40:39 +0000, Tim+ wrote:
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
[quoted text muted]I would certainly agree that it’s a big issue for anyone who can’t
charge at home at present. If the government really want to encourage
uptake they have to find a way of providing lower cost public
charging.
I wouldn’t own an EV without access to home charging.
That won't happen.
When the intersection of autonomous cars meets sky high energy prices
meets EVS, then you'll end up with EVs toddling off to charge when you
are sleeping.
And some genius will say "hey, while it's doing that, it can carry
fares".
Especially if you have groups of chums all chipping in to buy an EV
with the sole intention of doing that.
It's quite amazing how much automobiles cost compared to how long they
are used for in a day ...
And it's all good fun until the car comes home with the interior all contaminated with puke.
A little think like that isn't going to stop someone making megabucks
from the idea.
Just think, if a development like that meant that peoples commute is less
of a factor on where they have to live, then there is a huge pool of run
down areas that can be gentrified and exploited. Trebles all round !
Raises the question , would it be permissible for those on such a tariff
who don’t need to charge their own vehicle frequently and have suitable access to allow others to use their charger at a cost to be agreed , higher than what they pay the supplier but cheaper than an actual public charger. Probably would break all sorts of T+C but who would know. Could be a
little earner in some circumstances
Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
Raises the question , would it be permissible for those on such a tariff
who don’t need to charge their own vehicle frequently and have suitable
access to allow others to use their charger at a cost to be agreed , higher >> than what they pay the supplier but cheaper than an actual public charger. >> Probably would break all sorts of T+C but who would know. Could be a
little earner in some circumstances
That's fairly straightforward. You may need to swap your charger box for a slightly fancier one that's enrolled in a payment network, but that's more
or less it - when you sign up with the network they know where it is and makes its status appear on charging maps etc. You can set the rate you want to charge.
The more awkward thing is it occupies a parking space, which means potentially you have nowhere to park when you get home. But if space isn't
a problem and you don't mind strangers hanging around then why not?
Theo
Thanks, I was thinking of something a little less formal , eg someone has enough room to park their car to one side and lets trusted neighbours they know who don’t have an off road area and they pay by cash or bank transfer rather than an app.
My neighbours have been running two EV’s for some years now , they have got used to shuffling them around to reach the charger.*It would not be too different if the second car was actually someone else’s.
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
Raises the question , would it be permissible for those on such a tariff >>> who don’t need to charge their own vehicle frequently and have suitable >>> access to allow others to use their charger at a cost to be agreed , higher >>> than what they pay the supplier but cheaper than an actual public charger. >>> Probably would break all sorts of T+C but who would know. Could be a
little earner in some circumstances
That's fairly straightforward. You may need to swap your charger box for a >> slightly fancier one that's enrolled in a payment network, but that's more >> or less it - when you sign up with the network they know where it is and
makes its status appear on charging maps etc. You can set the rate you want >> to charge.
The more awkward thing is it occupies a parking space, which means
potentially you have nowhere to park when you get home. But if space isn't >> a problem and you don't mind strangers hanging around then why not?
Theo
Thanks, I was thinking of something a little less formal , eg someone has enough room to park their car to one side and lets trusted neighbours they know who don’t have an off road area and they pay by cash or bank transfer rather than an app.
My neighbours have been running two EV’s for some years now , they have got used to shuffling them around to reach the charger.*It would not be too different if the second car was actually someone else’s.
*
When they got their first it was quite funny, he is a bit of a
scatterbrain and always in a rush.
Took him a few months to remember to plug it in on arriving home, there
were several mornings he did not have enough power to do the round trip to the office and back located in a town that then had no public charger. Fortunately he owns the business so only has to answer to himself.
GH
On 04/07/2025 10:00 PM, Marland wrote:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
Raises the question , would it be permissible for those on such a tariff >>>> who don’t need to charge their own vehicle frequently and have suitable >>>> access to allow others to use their charger at a cost to be agreed , higher
than what they pay the supplier but cheaper than an actual public charger. >>>> Probably would break all sorts of T+C but who would know. Could be a
little earner in some circumstances
That's fairly straightforward. You may need to swap your charger box for a >>> slightly fancier one that's enrolled in a payment network, but that's more >>> or less it - when you sign up with the network they know where it is and >>> makes its status appear on charging maps etc. You can set the rate you want
to charge.
The more awkward thing is it occupies a parking space, which means
potentially you have nowhere to park when you get home. But if space isn't >>> a problem and you don't mind strangers hanging around then why not?
Theo
Thanks, I was thinking of something a little less formal , eg someone has
enough room to park their car to one side and lets trusted neighbours they >> know who don’t have an off road area and they pay by cash or bank
transfer rather than an app.
My neighbours have been running two EV’s for some years now , they have got
used to shuffling them around to reach the charger.*It would not be too
different if the second car was actually someone else’s.
Wait until the call comes at 03:00.
On 04/07/2025 14:37, Paul wrote:
You would put a roof box on a Cybertruck.
It may be BS but I saw something the other day indicating the Cybertruck may no longer be legal on USA roads, or at least not legal on the roads in some states.
From memory some loophole allowed the design to be exempt from some regulatory requirements including perhaps pedestrian safety in the event of an accident etc. The loopholes only apply to a limited number of prototype cars, usually aimed at one off custom cars etc.
The reason that the regulations now apply is because the Cybertruck isn't the prototype and it isn't a limited production.
The Cybertruck would be illegal for road use in the UK and EU because it fails to meet many safety standards