| Sysop: | Amessyroom |
|---|---|
| Location: | Fayetteville, NC |
| Users: | 26 |
| Nodes: | 6 (0 / 6) |
| Uptime: | 53:40:31 |
| Calls: | 632 |
| Files: | 1,187 |
| D/L today: |
27 files (19,977K bytes) |
| Messages: | 178,640 |
On 18/06/2025 14:51, Mr |un!on *dishonestly* adjusted the Newsgroup selection!
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
Tip: When you ask for help, do not refuse the help you are given.
YHBT
Nope!
*No troll* - these are *FACTS!
Hominahomina
Author
User level: Level 1
11 points
Jun 18, 2025 11:39 AM in response to etresoft
I've spent more than enough time trying to find illumination about this problem. Whether it's appropriate or not for discussion in this forum, I
ran EtreCheck due to a couple posters requesting it. Due to the glaring inconsistencies I saw in those EtreCheck reports that I generated while troubleshooting, my hesitation in providing an EtreCheck report in this forum was solely to avoid unnecessarily wasting more time on it.
I've wiped my Apple SSD and am in the process of reconstructing it; the issue has been rendered moot.
Reply
etresoft
User level: Level 9
54,476 points
Jun 18, 2025 8:45 AM in response to Hominahomina
Hominahomina wrote:
//My EtreCheck reports make no sense, that's why. I boot from a drive
that's just been created, a pristine 15.5 install. I run EtreCheck and generate a report for that drive. That report displays three unloaded
system extensions that have not only never been installed but when I
select "Show in Finder" for one of those extensions, the window that's displayed is FOR A DIFFERENT DRIVE than the one from which I booted and
is being reported on. Make that make sense.//
It's difficult to make it make sense because it's all inherently confusing.
EtreCheck shows all 3rd party system modifications, including those that
are installed and running, those that are installed but not active at
the time, and those that are not installed, but could be. System
Extension are particularly tricky because they can be in many different states, some of which are particularly problematic. Rather than trying
to confuse these issues even further, I have a policy to just report everything, running or not, loaded or not.
The operating system will see apps located on any visible volume. And
Apple is moving 3rd party system modifications from the classic
locations in places like "/Extensions" and "~/LaunchAgents" to inside
app bundles, wherever those might be found. What that means is that if
you have 3rd party system modifications inside an app on some external drive, EtreCheck will show them because they really could be loaded into
the operating system at any time.
There are stark discontinuities between what's SUPPOSED to be in an EtreCheck report and what's ACTUALLY in the EtreCheck reports I'm seeing.
This is s technical support forum for Apple products. If you are seeing problems with your EtreCheck report, this is really not the appropriate place to discuss them. I would be happy to do that via e-mail if you want.
I have seen other people report similar problems. If I could see your EtreCheck report, discontinuous or not, it might be helpful to
understand this issue. This isn't a common problem. So perhaps I've
missed something. To be honest, profiles are not something that
EtreCheck does particularly well. I don't have access to any of those enterprise MDM systems so it's a bit of a mystery. I can tell you that
Apple implements ScreenTime using profiles, so that probably explains
Apple tech support was focused on that. But it's quite possible that
there some other oddball system service that is also using profiles and
I've missed it.
If you don't want to post your EtreCheck report, that's fine. You have
my official blessing. But people may ask you to run some lower-level
tools manually (like the kinds that EtreCheck runs for you) to gather
more information. And this is the internet. Be careful about what people
ask you to do. *Not everyone is trustworthy*.
On 18/06/2025 20:46, David B. wrote:
On 18/06/2025 14:51, Mr |un!on *dishonestly* adjusted the Newsgroup
selection!
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
Tip: When you ask for help, do not refuse the help you are given.
YHBT
Nope!
*No troll* - these are *FACTS!
Hominahomina
Author
User level: Level 1
11 points
Jun 18, 2025 11:39 AM in response to etresoft
I've spent more than enough time trying to find illumination about
this problem. Whether it's appropriate or not for discussion in this
forum, I ran EtreCheck due to a couple posters requesting it. Due to
the glaring inconsistencies I saw in those EtreCheck reports that I
generated while troubleshooting, my hesitation in providing an
EtreCheck report in this forum was solely to avoid unnecessarily
wasting more time on it.
I've wiped my Apple SSD and am in the process of reconstructing it;
the issue has been rendered moot.
Reply
etresoft
User level: Level 9
54,476 points
Jun 18, 2025 8:45 AM in response to Hominahomina
Hominahomina wrote:
//My EtreCheck reports make no sense, that's why. I boot from a drive
that's just been created, a pristine 15.5 install. I run EtreCheck and
generate a report for that drive. That report displays three unloaded
system extensions that have not only never been installed but when I
select "Show in Finder" for one of those extensions, the window that's
displayed is FOR A DIFFERENT DRIVE than the one from which I booted
and is being reported on. Make that make sense.//
It's difficult to make it make sense because it's all inherently
confusing.
EtreCheck shows all 3rd party system modifications, including those
that are installed and running, those that are installed but not
active at the time, and those that are not installed, but could be.
System Extension are particularly tricky because they can be in many
different states, some of which are particularly problematic. Rather
than trying to confuse these issues even further, I have a policy to
just report everything, running or not, loaded or not.
The operating system will see apps located on any visible volume. And
Apple is moving 3rd party system modifications from the classic
locations in places like "/Extensions" and "~/LaunchAgents" to inside
app bundles, wherever those might be found. What that means is that if
you have 3rd party system modifications inside an app on some external
drive, EtreCheck will show them because they really could be loaded
into the operating system at any time.
There are stark discontinuities between what's SUPPOSED to be in an
EtreCheck report and what's ACTUALLY in the EtreCheck reports I'm seeing.
This is s technical support forum for Apple products. If you are
seeing problems with your EtreCheck report, this is really not the
appropriate place to discuss them. I would be happy to do that via
e-mail if you want.
I have seen other people report similar problems. If I could see your
EtreCheck report, discontinuous or not, it might be helpful to
understand this issue. This isn't a common problem. So perhaps I've
missed something. To be honest, profiles are not something that
EtreCheck does particularly well. I don't have access to any of those
enterprise MDM systems so it's a bit of a mystery. I can tell you that
Apple implements ScreenTime using profiles, so that probably explains
Apple tech support was focused on that. But it's quite possible that
there some other oddball system service that is also using profiles
and I've missed it.
If you don't want to post your EtreCheck report, that's fine. You have
my official blessing. But people may ask you to run some lower-level
tools manually (like the kinds that EtreCheck runs for you) to gather
more information. And this is the internet. Be careful about what
people ask you to do. *Not everyone is trustworthy*.
Yes, it really can feel like there are two separate versions of the
Apple Support Communities (ASC) rCo and in a way, that's not far from the truth.
HererCOs whatrCOs going on under the hood:
Efoi The Two Faces of ASC
ApplerCOs forums operate with both:
1.rCeArCepublic-facing, anonymous-access version (for general browsing and SEO)
2.rCeAn authenticated version (tied to your Apple ID session)
Efoa Why Some Pages Are rCLGatedrCY (Require Login)
Here are the main reasons:
1.rCeSession-based Behavior
Once you log in, some threads rCo especially links from within threads or email notifications rCo may redirect you to a version thatrCOs part of your authenticated session.
That version may display more metadata, voting options, or moderation
tools.
Apple may treat those links differently to prevent bots or scraping.
2.rCeModerated or Flagged Content
Posts that have been reported, are under review, or are partially hidden
by ApplerCOs moderation system may not appear on the public version rCo even if theyrCOre still visible to the poster or forum regulars.
3.rCeUser Activity or Reputation Filters
Some older threads or less relevant replies may be hidden from anonymous users to improve relevance.
Apple may use this system to protect against misuse, reputation bombing,
or spam links being shared internally.
4.rCeArchived/Legacy Content
Some threads, especially older ones or those about betas and internal features, are semi-retired. They still exist and are internally linked within ASC, but not available to anonymous viewers.
YourCOre required to sign in to see them rCo possibly because theyrCOve been moved to an internal moderation tier.
5.rCeRate-Limiting & Tracking
Apple sometimes tracks user activity across support.apple.com and discussions.apple.com.
If you access too many threads or click on certain flagged links, you
may hit a login wall to verify that yourCOre a real person.
EfAU The rCLTwo ForumsrCY Illusion
In practice:
-rCeIf you visit via Google, you're accessing what feels like "Forum A" rCo anonymous, sanitized, SEO-friendly.
-rCeIf you click links inside ASC or use your account, you're in "Forum B" rCo personalized, moderated, gated.
TheyrCOre really the same site rCo but Apple dynamically shifts what you can see based on your identity, status, and access method.
HTH
On 18/06/2025 20:46, David B. wrote:
On 18/06/2025 14:51, Mr |un!on *dishonestly* adjusted the Newsgroup
selection!
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
Tip: When you ask for help, do not refuse the help you are given.
YHBT
Nope!
*No troll* - these are *FACTS!
Hominahomina
Author
User level: Level 1
11 points
Jun 18, 2025 11:39 AM in response to etresoft
I've spent more than enough time trying to find illumination about this
problem. Whether it's appropriate or not for discussion in this forum, I
ran EtreCheck due to a couple posters requesting it. Due to the glaring
inconsistencies I saw in those EtreCheck reports that I generated while
troubleshooting, my hesitation in providing an EtreCheck report in this
forum was solely to avoid unnecessarily wasting more time on it.
I've wiped my Apple SSD and am in the process of reconstructing it; the
issue has been rendered moot.
Reply
etresoft
User level: Level 9
54,476 points
Jun 18, 2025 8:45 AM in response to Hominahomina
Hominahomina wrote:
//My EtreCheck reports make no sense, that's why. I boot from a drive
that's just been created, a pristine 15.5 install. I run EtreCheck and
generate a report for that drive. That report displays three unloaded
system extensions that have not only never been installed but when I
select "Show in Finder" for one of those extensions, the window that's
displayed is FOR A DIFFERENT DRIVE than the one from which I booted and
is being reported on. Make that make sense.//
It's difficult to make it make sense because it's all inherently confusing. >>
EtreCheck shows all 3rd party system modifications, including those that
are installed and running, those that are installed but not active at
the time, and those that are not installed, but could be. System
Extension are particularly tricky because they can be in many different
states, some of which are particularly problematic. Rather than trying
to confuse these issues even further, I have a policy to just report
everything, running or not, loaded or not.
The operating system will see apps located on any visible volume. And
Apple is moving 3rd party system modifications from the classic
locations in places like "/Extensions" and "~/LaunchAgents" to inside
app bundles, wherever those might be found. What that means is that if
you have 3rd party system modifications inside an app on some external
drive, EtreCheck will show them because they really could be loaded into
the operating system at any time.
There are stark discontinuities between what's SUPPOSED to be in an
EtreCheck report and what's ACTUALLY in the EtreCheck reports I'm seeing.
This is s technical support forum for Apple products. If you are seeing
problems with your EtreCheck report, this is really not the appropriate
place to discuss them. I would be happy to do that via e-mail if you want. >>
I have seen other people report similar problems. If I could see your
EtreCheck report, discontinuous or not, it might be helpful to
understand this issue. This isn't a common problem. So perhaps I've
missed something. To be honest, profiles are not something that
EtreCheck does particularly well. I don't have access to any of those
enterprise MDM systems so it's a bit of a mystery. I can tell you that
Apple implements ScreenTime using profiles, so that probably explains
Apple tech support was focused on that. But it's quite possible that
there some other oddball system service that is also using profiles and
I've missed it.
If you don't want to post your EtreCheck report, that's fine. You have
my official blessing. But people may ask you to run some lower-level
tools manually (like the kinds that EtreCheck runs for you) to gather
more information. And this is the internet. Be careful about what people
ask you to do. *Not everyone is trustworthy*.
Yes, it really can feel like there are two separate versions of the
Apple Support Communities (ASC) rCo and in a way, that's not far from the truth.
On Jun 27, 2025 at 12:53:32rC>PM EDT, ""David B."" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/06/2025 20:46, David B. wrote:
On 18/06/2025 14:51, Mr |un!on *dishonestly* adjusted the Newsgroup
selection!
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
Tip: When you ask for help, do not refuse the help you are given.
YHBT
Nope!
*No troll* - these are *FACTS!
Hominahomina
Author
User level: Level 1
11 points
Jun 18, 2025 11:39 AM in response to etresoft
I've spent more than enough time trying to find illumination about this
problem. Whether it's appropriate or not for discussion in this forum, I >>> ran EtreCheck due to a couple posters requesting it. Due to the glaring
inconsistencies I saw in those EtreCheck reports that I generated while
troubleshooting, my hesitation in providing an EtreCheck report in this
forum was solely to avoid unnecessarily wasting more time on it.
I've wiped my Apple SSD and am in the process of reconstructing it; the
issue has been rendered moot.
Reply
etresoft
User level: Level 9
54,476 points
Jun 18, 2025 8:45 AM in response to Hominahomina
Hominahomina wrote:
//My EtreCheck reports make no sense, that's why. I boot from a drive
that's just been created, a pristine 15.5 install. I run EtreCheck and
generate a report for that drive. That report displays three unloaded
system extensions that have not only never been installed but when I
select "Show in Finder" for one of those extensions, the window that's
displayed is FOR A DIFFERENT DRIVE than the one from which I booted and
is being reported on. Make that make sense.//
It's difficult to make it make sense because it's all inherently confusing. >>>
EtreCheck shows all 3rd party system modifications, including those that >>> are installed and running, those that are installed but not active at
the time, and those that are not installed, but could be. System
Extension are particularly tricky because they can be in many different
states, some of which are particularly problematic. Rather than trying
to confuse these issues even further, I have a policy to just report
everything, running or not, loaded or not.
The operating system will see apps located on any visible volume. And
Apple is moving 3rd party system modifications from the classic
locations in places like "/Extensions" and "~/LaunchAgents" to inside
app bundles, wherever those might be found. What that means is that if
you have 3rd party system modifications inside an app on some external
drive, EtreCheck will show them because they really could be loaded into >>> the operating system at any time.
There are stark discontinuities between what's SUPPOSED to be in an
EtreCheck report and what's ACTUALLY in the EtreCheck reports I'm seeing. >>>
This is s technical support forum for Apple products. If you are seeing
problems with your EtreCheck report, this is really not the appropriate
place to discuss them. I would be happy to do that via e-mail if you want. >>>
I have seen other people report similar problems. If I could see your
EtreCheck report, discontinuous or not, it might be helpful to
understand this issue. This isn't a common problem. So perhaps I've
missed something. To be honest, profiles are not something that
EtreCheck does particularly well. I don't have access to any of those
enterprise MDM systems so it's a bit of a mystery. I can tell you that
Apple implements ScreenTime using profiles, so that probably explains
Apple tech support was focused on that. But it's quite possible that
there some other oddball system service that is also using profiles and
I've missed it.
If you don't want to post your EtreCheck report, that's fine. You have
my official blessing. But people may ask you to run some lower-level
tools manually (like the kinds that EtreCheck runs for you) to gather
more information. And this is the internet. Be careful about what people >>> ask you to do. *Not everyone is trustworthy*.
Yes, it really can feel like there are two separate versions of the
Apple Support Communities (ASC) rCo and in a way, that's not far from the
truth.
More of your raging paranoia.
ASC is allowed to do whatever the hell they want. It is NOT a conspiracy against you. They do NOT need your approval.
Get over yourself.
More of your raging paranoia.
ASC is allowed to do whatever the hell they want. It is NOT a conspiracy against you. They do NOT need your approval.
Get over yourself.