• H5N1 can survive in raw milk and cheese for up to 6 months

    From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Thu Oct 9 18:18:27 2025
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    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/researchers-live-h5n1-avian-flu-can-survive-raw-milk-cheese-6-months

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-025-04010-0

    A Cornell study has found that H5N1 genotype B3.13 (dairy virus) can
    survive in raw milk and cheese made from unpasteurized milk for up to 6 months.

    Cornell is where the raw cat food that killed the New York cats was
    analyzed.

    The FDA never completed their study to determine if the CDC was correct
    in determining that the dairy virus could survive the most common pasteurization method. That study can still be done because
    contaminated milk is likely still being processed in several states. California likely still has over a hundred infected dairies.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Fri Oct 10 07:41:48 2025
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    On 10/9/2025 6:18 PM, RonO wrote:
    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/researchers-live- h5n1-avian-flu-can-survive-raw-milk-cheese-6-months

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-025-04010-0

    A Cornell study has found that H5N1 genotype B3.13 (dairy virus) can
    survive in raw milk and cheese made from unpasteurized milk for up to 6 months.

    Cornell is where the raw cat food that killed the New York cats was analyzed.

    The FDA never completed their study to determine if the CDC was correct
    in determining that the dairy virus could survive the most common pasteurization method.-a That study can still be done because
    contaminated milk is likely still being processed in several states. California likely still has over a hundred infected dairies.

    Ron Okimoto

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/flurry-h5n1-activity-noted-commercial-poultry-wild-birds

    Over the last 30 days 38 flocks (24 commercial and 14 backyard flocks
    more than 4.4 million birds) have gone down to H5N1. They need to start releasing the genotype so that farmers can understand where the
    infection is coming from. States are being reinfected with the dairy
    virus genotype B3.13, but the USDA is no longer notifying the public of reinfections of dairy herds, but a lot of states with infected poultry
    flocks have reinfected dairy herds. Last August California admitted
    that 43 of the herds that had cleared the virus had been reinfected. California has not updated that number since Aug 1st, but at that time
    they said that they were maintaining their dairy virus control measures,
    but those control measures obviously were not working. The virus has
    changed enough so that it is starting a new round of infection.
    Multiple other states have had reinfected herds, but they are not being announced as infections by the USDA.

    As crazy as it may seem dairy workers on infected dairies have never
    been restricted from working on poultry farms. It has only been a "recommendation" that workers on infected farms not work on other farms,
    but it has never been enforced nor designated as more than a
    recommendation. California did not restrict dairy worker movements and
    lost over 40% of their layer flocks and a lot of meat bird flocks. The
    virus got into the food chain because some of the chickens that got into
    the raw cat food were infected, but had been processed before showing symptoms. Whenever poultry flocks start going down with the dairy virus
    there are infected dairies in the same area.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to talk-origins on Fri Oct 10 12:53:29 2025
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    On 10/9/25 7:18 PM, RonO wrote:
    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/researchers-live- h5n1-avian-flu-can-survive-raw-milk-cheese-6-months

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-025-04010-0

    A Cornell study has found that H5N1

    Yeah, it's the bird-fucking-flu, and birds are immune to it,
    at least birds that can fly & migrate. That's why egg prices
    climbed HUNDREDS OF PERCENT here while they never budged
    south of the border AND there was no pandemic.

    YOU. ARE. NOT. DESCRIBING. ANY. NATURAL. VIRUS.

    No virus arising in nature can behave as you insist. So, it's
    either man made -- another plandemic -- or entirely a hoax.

    Either way, you are a stinking loser!

    STOP appointing yourself the mouthpiece of the ruling elite.
    By your own words -- in describing an entirely unnatural
    virus -- they are either pulling a hoax on you or planning
    your death. So STOP working for them!
    --
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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Fri Oct 10 13:01:34 2025
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    On 10/10/2025 11:53 AM, JTEM wrote:
    On 10/9/25 7:18 PM, RonO wrote:
    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/researchers-live-
    h5n1-avian-flu-can-survive-raw-milk-cheese-6-months

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-025-04010-0

    A Cornell study has found that H5N1

    Yeah, it's the bird-fucking-flu, and birds are immune to it,
    at least birds that can fly & migrate. That's why egg prices
    climbed HUNDREDS OF PERCENT here while they never budged
    south of the border AND there was no pandemic.

    YOU. ARE. NOT. DESCRIBING. ANY. NATURAL. VIRUS.

    No virus arising in nature can behave as you insist. So, it's
    either man made -- another plandemic -- or entirely a hoax.

    Either way, you are a stinking loser!

    STOP appointing yourself the mouthpiece of the ruling elite.
    By your own words -- in describing an entirely unnatural
    virus -- they are either pulling a hoax on you or planning
    your death. So STOP working for them!

    Just an utter nut job. You might want to learn something about avian influenza. https://archive.cdc.gov/www_cdc_gov/flu/avianflu/communication-resources/bird-flu-origin-infographic.html

    This is a history of the human interaction with the H5N1 virus. H and N
    are major influenza antigens that were given number designations decades
    ago. Their sequences have changed a lot, but they can still identify
    the H5 and N1 clades. They were first identify by antibody binding. Antibodies generated to H5 would not cross react with the other H
    antigens, and the antigen designations have been maintained by sequence phylogeny even though all H5 clade members produce cross react with the
    dairy virus variant antibodies that she was infected with. They had to
    make a synthetic H5 antigen that would cross react with the Missouri
    dairy virus patient's.

    Human influenza A is derived from Avian influenza, and they retain the
    same H and N antigen designations from the past. The current influenza
    A virus infecting humans in the US are H1N1 and H3N2. They messed up
    with the last vaccine and used an H1N1 virus that was too distantly
    related to the virus currently infecting humans, so it was ineffective.
    They claim to have swapped out a better match.

    Avian influenza is called that because it mainly infects birds, but it
    can obviously infect mammals. Among birds there are two types of virus
    High path and Low path. High path virus have a high mortality among
    domestic birds, but low path viral strains can be survived. Some wild
    birds are not severely affected by either high or low path strains.
    They can be infected, but do not show symptoms, but H5N1 was killing a
    lot of migratory birds before it got into the US. H5N1 was a high path
    strain and it was killing wild birds and domestic stocks. It started infecting humans in the 1990's and had a high mortality rate (50%). It persisted in the wild bird population and spread though Europe and Asia,
    and finally entered the US via migratory birds that shared the same
    Atlantic and Pacific breeding grounds. H5N1 has even gotten to Hawaii
    via migratory birds. When it first entered the US it recombined with a
    low path strain and resulted in the reassorted B3.13 genotype. The
    B3.13 genotype was in the wild bird population for over a year before it started to infect mammals. It started infecting sea mammals and zoo
    mammals (mostly cats). The initial dairy virus was genotype B3.13.
    There is another reassorted H5N1 virus in the US (genotype D1.1) that
    was circulating in the wild bird population for several years until it
    started infecting humans, poultry, and dairy cattle.

    B3.13, and D1.1 evolved and were maintained in the wild bird population
    until they began to be transmitted to mammals. They are still
    maintained in the wild bird population. Wild birds took the B3.13
    genotype down into South America where it was killing sea mammals before
    the dairy infection started. When the dairy epidemic started the most
    closely related B3.13 sequence came from a wild Peregrine falcon sampled
    in California. You just do not know what you are talking about.
    Migratory birds do not respect borders and the first human case of H5N1 genotype D1.1 infection was in Canada. Several months later multiple
    poultry workers in Washington were infected by the D1.1 virus and the
    patient infected with D1.1 in Louisiana died of the infection. In all
    the cases of D1.1 human infection wild birds were found to be infected
    with the D1.1 genotype in the area. The exception was the Nevada dairy
    worker who had been infected by the infected dairy cattle.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to talk-origins on Fri Oct 10 16:03:31 2025
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    RonO wrote:

    Just an utter nut job.

    You are NOT describing a natural virus: A bird flu that can't infect
    birds, least not any that can fly & migrate, yet survives cooking, as
    in the case of cat food, and is relentless in infecting cows and their
    milk.

    ...a virus that can see & respects national borders.

    If there is a dangerous virus, it was created by man. The only
    alternative is that it's a hoax. Either way, STOP serving the
    people behind it, you blithering idiot.
    --
    https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Fri Oct 10 15:35:10 2025
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    On 10/10/2025 1:01 PM, RonO wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 11:53 AM, JTEM wrote:
    On 10/9/25 7:18 PM, RonO wrote:
    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/researchers-live-
    h5n1-avian-flu-can-survive-raw-milk-cheese-6-months

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-025-04010-0

    A Cornell study has found that H5N1

    Yeah, it's the bird-fucking-flu, and birds are immune to it,
    at least birds that can fly & migrate. That's why egg prices
    climbed HUNDREDS OF PERCENT here while they never budged
    south of the border AND there was no pandemic.

    YOU. ARE. NOT. DESCRIBING. ANY. NATURAL. VIRUS.

    No virus arising in nature can behave as you insist. So, it's
    either man made -- another plandemic -- or entirely a hoax.

    Either way, you are a stinking loser!

    STOP appointing yourself the mouthpiece of the ruling elite.
    By your own words -- in describing an entirely unnatural
    virus -- they are either pulling a hoax on you or planning
    your death. So STOP working for them!

    Just an utter nut job.-a You might want to learn something about avian influenza.
    https://archive.cdc.gov/www_cdc_gov/flu/avianflu/communication- resources/bird-flu-origin-infographic.html

    This is a history of the human interaction with the H5N1 virus.-a H and N are major influenza antigens that were given number designations decades ago.-a Their sequences have changed a lot, but they can still identify
    the H5 and N1 clades.-a They were first identify by antibody binding. Antibodies generated to H5 would not cross react with the other H
    antigens, and the antigen designations have been maintained by sequence phylogeny even though all H5 clade members produce

    A section got messed up before I sent it:

    It read something like ...even though all H5 clade members do not
    produce antibodies that can cross react with all other current H5
    antigens they keep calling the clade H5.

    By the time the Missouri patient was infected with the B3.13 dairy virus
    the sequence had changes that reduced antibody binding to the H5
    antigen. They had to make a synthetic antigen...

    I do not know how this section got so messed up. When I have tried to
    write a correction (just now) the cursor keeps jumping to the end of the
    post. It is weird.

    Ron Okimoto

    cross react with the
    dairy virus variant antibodies that she was infected with.-a They had to make a synthetic H5 antigen that would cross react with the Missouri
    dairy virus patient's.

    Human influenza A is derived from Avian influenza, and they retain the
    same H and N antigen designations from the past.-a The current influenza
    A virus infecting humans in the US are H1N1 and H3N2.-a They messed up
    with the last vaccine and used an H1N1 virus that was too distantly
    related to the virus currently infecting humans, so it was ineffective.
    They claim to have swapped out a better match.

    Avian influenza is called that because it mainly infects birds, but it
    can obviously infect mammals.-a Among birds there are two types of virus High path and Low path.-a High path virus have a high mortality among domestic birds, but low path viral strains can be survived.-a Some wild birds are not severely affected by either high or low path strains. They
    can be infected, but do not show symptoms, but H5N1 was killing a lot of migratory birds before it got into the US.-a H5N1 was a high path strain
    and it was killing wild birds and domestic stocks.-a It started infecting humans in the 1990's and had a high mortality rate (50%).-a It persisted
    in the wild bird population and spread though Europe and Asia, and
    finally entered the US via migratory birds that shared the same Atlantic
    and Pacific breeding grounds.-a H5N1 has even gotten to Hawaii via
    migratory birds.-a When it first entered the US it recombined with a low path strain and resulted in the reassorted B3.13 genotype.-a The B3.13 genotype was in the wild bird population for over a year before it
    started to infect mammals.-a It started infecting sea mammals and zoo mammals (mostly cats).-a The initial dairy virus was genotype B3.13.
    There is another reassorted H5N1 virus in the US (genotype D1.1) that
    was circulating in the wild bird population for several years until it started infecting humans, poultry, and dairy cattle.

    B3.13, and D1.1 evolved and were maintained in the wild bird population until they began to be transmitted to mammals.-a They are still
    maintained in the wild bird population.-a Wild birds took the B3.13
    genotype down into South America where it was killing sea mammals before
    the dairy infection started.-a When the dairy epidemic started the most closely related B3.13 sequence came from a wild Peregrine falcon sampled
    in California.-a You just do not know what you are talking about.
    Migratory birds do not respect borders and the first human case of H5N1 genotype D1.1 infection was in Canada.-a Several months later multiple poultry workers in Washington-a were infected by the D1.1 virus and the patient infected with D1.1 in Louisiana died of the infection.-a In all
    the cases of D1.1 human infection wild birds were found to be infected
    with the D1.1 genotype in the area.-a The exception was the Nevada dairy worker who had been infected by the infected dairy cattle.

    Ron Okimoto



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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Fri Oct 10 16:23:52 2025
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    On 10/10/2025 3:03 PM, JTEM wrote:
    -aRonO wrote:

    Just an utter nut job.

    You are NOT describing a natural virus:-a A bird flu that can't infect
    birds, least not any that can fly & migrate, yet survives cooking, as
    in the case of cat food, and is relentless in infecting cows and their
    milk.

    -a-a-a-a ...a virus that can see & respects national borders.

    If there is a dangerous virus, it was created by man. The only
    alternative is that it's a hoax. Either way, STOP serving the
    people behind it, you blithering idiot.




    What a nut job. It is called avian influenza because it infects mostly
    birds.

    If the B3.13 dairy virus does not infect birds how is it infecting all
    the poultry flocks and is responsible for around 100 million commercial
    birds being lost?

    The B3.13 genotype does not respect borders. How did the migratory
    birds die of it in South America. How did the penguins and seals get it?

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Oct 11 00:09:24 2025
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    RonO wrote:


    A section got messed up before I sent it:

    No, that was your head that's messed up.

    Give an example of a virus, even one single example, that behaves
    as you describe for this bird flu.

    Especially a virus that survives cooking, as in the case of the
    infected cat food you assure everyone does exist.

    (Psst. Raw chicken is not sold as cat food)

    The problem is that you're insane. You know you're trolling. You
    know you're panic mongering. You know that no virus can behave
    as you describe. But your too insane to admit any of this.
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  • From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Oct 11 00:13:10 2025
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    RonO wrote:

    [--What a nut job--]

    Here's something that'll help you see how insane you are:

    Name some other viruses that survive cooking, as you describe
    for this one in the case of cat food.

    Name even just one more, so long as it makes animals sick,
    this virus that survives cooking.

    Later we can discuss other bird flu viruses that don't
    infect birds, least not any that can fly & migrate...

    The only conclusion here is that either the virus claims
    are a hoax, or it's man made. And we've seen BOTH now
    haven't we?
    --
    https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5

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  • From jillery@69jpil69@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Oct 11 07:55:31 2025
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    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 16:23:52 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 3:03 PM, JTEM wrote:
    -aRonO wrote:

    Just an utter nut job.

    You are NOT describing a natural virus:-a A bird flu that can't infect
    birds, least not any that can fly & migrate, yet survives cooking, as
    in the case of cat food, and is relentless in infecting cows and their
    milk.

    -a-a-a-a ...a virus that can see & respects national borders.

    If there is a dangerous virus, it was created by man. The only
    alternative is that it's a hoax. Either way, STOP serving the
    people behind it, you blithering idiot.




    What a nut job. It is called avian influenza because it infects mostly >birds.

    If the B3.13 dairy virus does not infect birds how is it infecting all
    the poultry flocks and is responsible for around 100 million commercial >birds being lost?

    The B3.13 genotype does not respect borders. How did the migratory
    birds die of it in South America. How did the penguins and seals get it?

    Ron Okimoto
    As far as I can tell, JTEM bases his nonsense about viruses respecting
    borders based on this:
    ********************************************************
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 00:22:24 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah, that's why eggs prices in Mexico were so low when they were
    spiking here. And it's why trolls spewed about cat food while
    nobody south of the border had anything to report. It's because
    bird flu respects borders!

    When you have to conflicting pieces of "Evidence," it's pretty
    easy to dismiss one. Like a bird flu that stops at the border. ********************************************************
    IOW yet more made-up facts.
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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Oct 11 08:21:59 2025
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    On 10/10/2025 11:13 PM, JTEM wrote:
    -aRonO wrote:

    -a-a [--What a nut job--]

    Here's something that'll help you see how insane you are:

    Name some other viruses that survive cooking, as you describe
    for this one in the case of cat food.

    What a total loser liar. It has always been stated even in the titles
    of some of the articles that I have put up that the cat food was raw cat
    food. It has always been raw frozen or refrigerated cat food that has
    been recalled.


    Name even just one more, so long as it makes animals sick,
    this virus that survives cooking.

    No one ever claimed that it survived cooking. The CDC put out a report
    that the virus could survive the most common method of pasteurization,
    but that is only bringing the temperature to 70 degrees C.


    Later we can discuss other bird flu viruses that don't
    infect birds, least not any that can fly & migrate...

    Why discuss what you are obviously lying about later?

    The only conclusion here is that either the virus claims
    are a hoax, or it's man made. And we've seen BOTH now
    haven't we?

    The only conclusion is that you have to lie in order to think that you
    have some type of issue to discuss.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Oct 11 08:31:12 2025
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    On 10/11/2025 6:55 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 16:23:52 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 10/10/2025 3:03 PM, JTEM wrote:
    -aRonO wrote:

    Just an utter nut job.

    You are NOT describing a natural virus:-a A bird flu that can't infect
    birds, least not any that can fly & migrate, yet survives cooking, as
    in the case of cat food, and is relentless in infecting cows and their
    milk.

    -a-a-a-a ...a virus that can see & respects national borders.

    If there is a dangerous virus, it was created by man. The only
    alternative is that it's a hoax. Either way, STOP serving the
    people behind it, you blithering idiot.




    What a nut job. It is called avian influenza because it infects mostly
    birds.

    If the B3.13 dairy virus does not infect birds how is it infecting all
    the poultry flocks and is responsible for around 100 million commercial
    birds being lost?

    The B3.13 genotype does not respect borders. How did the migratory
    birds die of it in South America. How did the penguins and seals get it?

    Ron Okimoto


    As far as I can tell, JTEM bases his nonsense about viruses respecting borders based on this:

    ********************************************************
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 00:22:24 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

    Yeah, that's why eggs prices in Mexico were so low when they were
    spiking here. And it's why trolls spewed about cat food while
    nobody south of the border had anything to report. It's because
    bird flu respects borders!

    When you have to conflicting pieces of "Evidence," it's pretty
    easy to dismiss one. Like a bird flu that stops at the border.
    ********************************************************

    IOW yet more made-up facts.


    Infected dairy workers have not wanted to go back to Mexico, but the
    H5N1 genotype B3.13 (the genotype of the dairy virus) has been found in
    wild birds, sea mammals, penguins, and even zoo cats in South America.

    It is just that most of the layer farms in the US got the dairy virus
    from nearby dairies and not wild birds that also have the B3.13 genotype circulating in North America. Mexico doesn't have any infected dairies
    that they have admitted to.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Oct 11 08:37:15 2025
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    On 10/10/2025 11:09 PM, JTEM wrote:
    -aRonO wrote:


    A section got messed up before I sent it:

    No, that was your head that's messed up.

    Give an example of a virus, even one single example, that behaves
    as you describe for this bird flu.

    Especially a virus that survives cooking, as in the case of the
    infected cat food you assure everyone does exist.

    (Psst. Raw chicken is not sold as cat food)

    What a nut job. All the articles about infected cat food have claimed
    that it was raw cat food.

    This is the FDA warning for one of the instances of recall: https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/cvm-updates/fda-notifies-pet-owners-tests-show-h5n1-contamination-certain-lots-rawr-raw-cat-food-chicken-eats

    One article about the California cats that has raw pet food in the title: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/los-angeles-cat-h5n1-deaths-prompt-new-warning-about-raw-pet-food

    Stop lying about the situation.

    Ron Okimoto>
    The problem is that you're insane. You know you're trolling. You
    know you're panic mongering. You know that no virus can behave
    as you describe. But your too insane to admit any of this.






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  • From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Oct 11 13:19:41 2025
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    On 10/11/25 7:55 AM, jillery wrote:

    As far as I can tell

    That's not exactly "Far."

    IOW yet more made-up facts.

    Then why wasn't there a pandemic wiping out Mexico and other
    countries south of the border? They didn't wipe out their
    egg producing stock. Their prices stayed low. Yet, no viruses
    to worry about.

    And how do you explain the cat food claims? It's not raw.
    If deadly viruses are surviving cooking, we're all already
    dead! Can't that severel disordered mind grasp this?

    It's not difficult.

    The collective is NOT describing any virus that exists in
    nature. It's either a hoax, made up, or another lab produced
    virus that was induced within the food supply.

    There is no other options. Either someone inserted this virus
    into our food supply or there is no actual virus, not one
    that can threaten us.
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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Oct 11 13:50:24 2025
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    On 10/11/2025 12:19 PM, JTEM wrote:
    On 10/11/25 7:55 AM, jillery wrote:

    As far as I can tell

    That's not exactly "Far."

    IOW yet more made-up facts.

    Then why wasn't there a pandemic wiping out Mexico and other
    countries south of the border?-a They didn't wipe out their
    egg producing stock. Their prices stayed low. Yet, no viruses
    to worry about.

    And how do you explain the cat food claims?-a It's not raw.
    If deadly viruses are surviving cooking, we're all already
    dead!-a Can't that severel disordered mind grasp this?

    It's not difficult.

    The collective is NOT describing any virus that exists in
    nature. It's either a hoax, made up, or another lab produced
    virus that was induced within the food supply.

    There is no other options. Either someone inserted this virus
    into our food supply or there is no actual virus, not one
    that can threaten us.







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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Oct 11 14:27:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    On 10/11/2025 12:19 PM, JTEM wrote:
    On 10/11/25 7:55 AM, jillery wrote:

    As far as I can tell

    That's not exactly "Far."

    IOW yet more made-up facts.

    Then why wasn't there a pandemic wiping out Mexico and other
    countries south of the border?-a They didn't wipe out their
    egg producing stock. Their prices stayed low. Yet, no viruses
    to worry about.

    The B3.13 virus did kill off a lot of wild birds and even penquins got infected in South America, and it did infect some zoo cats (tigers and
    lions I recall) and seals along the pacific coast, but it never infected
    dairy cattle south of the border as far as anyone ever admitted. It
    became an issue in dairies and commercial poultry farms in the US
    because the USDA and CDC never restricted dairy worker movements. They
    knew that most of the herds that were getting infected did not share
    cattle, but that dairy workers on infected farms were known to work at
    more than one dairy, and that dairy workers from infected dairies also
    worked on some of the Michigan commercial layer farms that got infected,
    but dairy worker testing was never implemented, nor were the workers restricted from going from farm to farm. By the time California got
    infected it was well known that dairy worker movements should be
    restricted, but everyone remained in denial, and the result was that
    over 80% of the California dairy herds got infected even though they immediately restricted cattle movements between farms, and they lost
    over 40% of the commercial layer farms because they would not restrict
    dairy worker movements off infected farms. By the time that California
    was infected they knew that at least 10% of the dairy workers at
    infected dairies had been infected, and they knew that they were
    shedding infective virus because the first viral culture was created
    from samples taken from the first infected dairy worker identified in Texas.

    The short answer is that it became a dairy and poultry epidemic in the
    US because dairy worker testing and contact tracing was never
    implemented and the virus was allowed to spread to more states and more dairies and poultry farms. The spread continues because states are
    being reinfected, and you can go to the GISAID web site and see that
    Idaho has now been infected with the California strain of the virus. If
    you look at the phylogeny you will see that all the California
    infections form a separate clade from the states that got infected from
    Texas. Idaho was initially infected by the Texas strain, but the new infections are due to the California lineage. Nebraska just got
    infected by the California virus.

    And how do you explain the cat food claims?-a It's not raw.
    If deadly viruses are surviving cooking, we're all already
    dead!-a Can't that severel disordered mind grasp this?

    I do not know why you keep lying about raw cat food when all the
    articles state that the virus infected the cats through raw pet food.


    It's not difficult.

    It isn't difficult to stop lying, just stop.


    The collective is NOT describing any virus that exists in
    nature. It's either a hoax, made up, or another lab produced
    virus that was induced within the food supply.

    There is no other options. Either someone inserted this virus
    into our food supply or there is no actual virus, not one
    that can threaten us.

    This is just stupid. The history of H5N1 that I have given to you in
    other posts in this thread reflects just a normal spread of a high path
    avian influenza. H5N1 is only one high path lineage. At this time is
    happens to be the one that is most infecting humans. There are other
    High path and low path avian influenza strains that infect humans from
    time to time, but H5N1 has a history of high mortality (50% of those
    infected in Europe and Asia have died). The B3.13 and D1.1 genotypes
    are reassorted virus so the original H5N1 has recombined with other
    avian influenza strains. No one has died from being infected with B3.13
    and only one person died out of about a dozen infected with the D1.1
    genotype. Two D1.1 survivors did have to go into intensive care, and
    one of them was in critical condition at one time, but it looks like the reassorted virus are less pathogenic than the H5N1 virus that is still
    in Europe and Asia.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Oct 11 22:29:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    On 10/11/25 3:27 PM, RonO wrote:

    The B3.13 virus did kill off a lot of wild birds and even penquins got infected in South America

    So where was the pandemic?

    You're not constantly -- incessantly -- pissing your pants over some
    virus because you're worried about penguins. Don't be a pussy here
    and pretend otherwise. So...

    Where's the pandemic?

    It's a natural virus, it actually exists and it's in chickens, eggs,
    beef, milk and even cat food! So, why isn't half of Mexico dead?

    How could Mexico NOT slaughter their chickens, double even triple or
    more the price of eggs, and yet still miraculously survive this
    terror inducing virus?

    And how does it survive cooking?

    Talk about that. Like any religious fundy, you have no problem
    ignoring facts like.. like.. like the fact that your narrative is
    completely batshit crazy...

    "It's in cat food! It survives cooking! That's why there's no
    pandemic!"
    --
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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sun Oct 12 09:08:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    On 10/11/2025 9:29 PM, JTEM wrote:
    On 10/11/25 3:27 PM, RonO wrote:

    The B3.13 virus did kill off a lot of wild birds and even penquins got
    infected in South America

    So where was the pandemic?

    What a nut job. There never was a pandemic. It was always just a dairy epidemic that was spilling over to poultry and captive and domestic
    cats. Possibly around 1,000 dairy workers and poultry workers were also infected, but testing and contact tracing was never implemented, but
    what was done indicated that at least 10% of the dairy workers
    (including veterinarians in contact with infected cattle) were infected.
    Nearly all the cats died or were euthanized when the virus infected
    their brains, but humans showed only minor symptoms to B3.13, but one
    person died of infection with D1.1 and two others went into intensive care.

    The fear was that the virus would mutate and become more pathogenic in
    humans. That happened in several cases of D1.1 infection. The patient
    that died had a virus that had mutated to better infect humans and the
    patient that survived but at one time was in critical condition also had
    a virus with the same two mutations that allowed the virus to better
    infect humans. The claim is that those mutations occurred during their infection because the wild birds in the area were infected by D1.1
    without those mutations. The mutations did not happen with the B3.13
    virus as far as we know.

    At one time (after the same two mutations were found in the two severe
    human D1.1 cases thousands of miles apart) the CDC claimed that they
    were going to start dairy worker testing in order to detect infected
    dairy workers and treat them with antivirals so that the human
    infectious mutations had less of a chance of evolving, but nothing ever
    got started.


    You're not constantly -- incessantly -- pissing your pants over some
    virus because you're worried about penguins. Don't be a pussy here
    and pretend otherwise. So...

    What a nut job. It has always been a case where the CDC and USDA were
    not doing their jobs in preventing the next pandemic, and protecting
    farm animals.


    Where's the pandemic?

    It's a natural virus, it actually exists and it's in chickens, eggs,
    beef, milk and even cat food!-a So, why isn't half of Mexico dead?

    Because it is avian influenza and is not adapted to infecting mammals.
    The dairy epidemic just exposed humans to more infections, and a greater chance that a pandemic causing virus might evolve. Because it was an
    avian influenza infected dairy workers were able to infect neighboring
    poultry farms where they also worked at. Human influenza A (though it
    evolved from avian influenza) has adapted to infecting mammals, so
    poultry farms are safe from being infected by humans with influenza A,
    but poultry farms can be infected by the dairy virus.


    How could Mexico NOT slaughter their chickens, double even triple or
    more the price of eggs, and yet still miraculously survive this
    terror inducing virus?

    Mexico does not have infected dairies, so the neighboring poultry farms
    were never infected.


    And how does it survive cooking?

    What a nut job, no one ever claimed that it survived cooking. It has
    always been claimed that pasteurization and cooking would kill the virus
    since infected dairy cattle were found at slaughter houses. The claim
    was that infected meat did not enter the food supply, but that cooking
    would have killed the virus if it had gotten into the food supply. This
    did not help the big cats at the animal preserve that were fed raw meat
    and were infected by the dairy virus.


    Talk about that. Like any religious fundy, you have no problem
    ignoring facts like.. like.. like the fact that your narrative is
    completely batshit crazy...

    Why keep projecting your own stupid behavior onto someone else. There
    is no reason to keep lying about this.


    "It's in cat food!-a It survives cooking!-a That's why there's no
    pandemic!"

    It was found in the raw cat food, so why keep lying about it surviving cooking?

    Ron Okimoto









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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sun Oct 12 18:14:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    On 10/10/2025 7:41 AM, RonO wrote:
    On 10/9/2025 6:18 PM, RonO wrote:
    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/researchers-live-
    h5n1-avian-flu-can-survive-raw-milk-cheese-6-months

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-025-04010-0

    A Cornell study has found that H5N1 genotype B3.13 (dairy virus) can
    survive in raw milk and cheese made from unpasteurized milk for up to
    6 months.

    Cornell is where the raw cat food that killed the New York cats was
    analyzed.

    The FDA never completed their study to determine if the CDC was
    correct in determining that the dairy virus could survive the most
    common pasteurization method.-a That study can still be done because
    contaminated milk is likely still being processed in several states.
    California likely still has over a hundred infected dairies.

    Ron Okimoto

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/flurry-h5n1- activity-noted-commercial-poultry-wild-birds

    Over the last 30 days 38 flocks (24 commercial and 14 backyard flocks
    more than 4.4 million birds) have gone down to H5N1.-a They need to start releasing the genotype so that farmers can understand where the
    infection is coming from.-a States are being reinfected with the dairy
    virus genotype B3.13, but the USDA is no longer notifying the public of reinfections of dairy herds, but a lot of states with infected poultry flocks have reinfected dairy herds.-a Last August California admitted
    that 43 of the herds that had cleared the virus had been reinfected. California has not updated that number since Aug 1st, but at that time
    they said that they were maintaining their dairy virus control measures,
    but those control measures obviously were not working.-a The virus has changed enough so that it is starting a new round of infection. Multiple other states have had reinfected herds, but they are not being announced
    as infections by the USDA.

    As crazy as it may seem dairy workers on infected dairies have never
    been restricted from working on poultry farms.-a It has only been a "recommendation" that workers on infected farms not work on other farms,
    but it has never been enforced nor designated as more than a recommendation.-a California did not restrict dairy worker movements and lost over 40% of their layer flocks and a lot of meat bird flocks.-a The virus got into the food chain because some of the chickens that got into
    the raw cat food were infected, but had been processed before showing symptoms.-a Whenever poultry flocks start going down with the dairy virus there are infected dairies in the same area.

    Ron Okimoto

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/measles/quick-takes-israeli-measles-death-latest-avian-flu-fatal-rift-valley-fever-cases-senegal

    Notes 1 flock in Washington (2 million bird flock of layers) and doesn't
    give the genotype of the infecting virus. They do not note that the
    USDA also lists multiple turkey flocks in Minnesota. They don't list
    the genotype of the virus. The USDA claims that 6.2 million poultry
    have been infected in the last 30 days.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Wed Oct 15 08:13:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    On 10/12/2025 6:14 PM, RonO wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 7:41 AM, RonO wrote:
    On 10/9/2025 6:18 PM, RonO wrote:
    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/researchers-live-
    h5n1-avian-flu-can-survive-raw-milk-cheese-6-months

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-025-04010-0

    A Cornell study has found that H5N1 genotype B3.13 (dairy virus) can
    survive in raw milk and cheese made from unpasteurized milk for up to
    6 months.

    Cornell is where the raw cat food that killed the New York cats was
    analyzed.

    The FDA never completed their study to determine if the CDC was
    correct in determining that the dairy virus could survive the most
    common pasteurization method.-a That study can still be done because
    contaminated milk is likely still being processed in several states.
    California likely still has over a hundred infected dairies.

    Ron Okimoto

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/flurry-h5n1-
    activity-noted-commercial-poultry-wild-birds

    Over the last 30 days 38 flocks (24 commercial and 14 backyard flocks
    more than 4.4 million birds) have gone down to H5N1.-a They need to
    start releasing the genotype so that farmers can understand where the
    infection is coming from.-a States are being reinfected with the dairy
    virus genotype B3.13, but the USDA is no longer notifying the public
    of reinfections of dairy herds, but a lot of states with infected
    poultry flocks have reinfected dairy herds.-a Last August California
    admitted that 43 of the herds that had cleared the virus had been
    reinfected. California has not updated that number since Aug 1st, but
    at that time they said that they were maintaining their dairy virus
    control measures, but those control measures obviously were not
    working.-a The virus has changed enough so that it is starting a new
    round of infection. Multiple other states have had reinfected herds,
    but they are not being announced as infections by the USDA.

    As crazy as it may seem dairy workers on infected dairies have never
    been restricted from working on poultry farms.-a It has only been a
    "recommendation" that workers on infected farms not work on other
    farms, but it has never been enforced nor designated as more than a
    recommendation.-a California did not restrict dairy worker movements
    and lost over 40% of their layer flocks and a lot of meat bird
    flocks.-a The virus got into the food chain because some of the
    chickens that got into the raw cat food were infected, but had been
    processed before showing symptoms.-a Whenever poultry flocks start
    going down with the dairy virus there are infected dairies in the same
    area.

    Ron Okimoto

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/measles/quick-takes-israeli-measles-death- latest-avian-flu-fatal-rift-valley-fever-cases-senegal

    Notes 1 flock in Washington (2 million bird flock of layers) and doesn't give the genotype of the infecting virus.-a They do not note that the
    USDA also lists multiple turkey flocks in Minnesota.-a They don't list
    the genotype of the virus.-a The USDA claims that 6.2 million poultry
    have been infected in the last 30 days.

    Ron Okimoto

    H9N2 avian influenza is infecting people in china. The article doesn't
    say, but they are likely being infected by the poultry that they
    associate with. 21 human cases in the last 6 months. H9N2 is low path
    AI and not high path like H5N1 so neighborhood poultry can survive the infection and maintain the virus in the environment.

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/two-new-h9n2-avian-flu-cases-reported-china

    Ron Okimoto


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  • From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to talk-origins on Wed Oct 15 11:49:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    On 10/15/25 9:13 AM, RonO wrote:

    H9N2 avian influenza

    So the bird flu that can't infect any birds that fly & migrate, but has
    no problems infecting cows and their milk, and even survives cooking, is necessitating that the powers drive food prices up even higher!

    "Look what we did to the price of eggs here, while they remained as
    low as ever just across the border," said one alert social engineer.
    "We wouldn't need to do this if you'd listen to us and ate bugs."

    Scientists from the Greta Institute for the Jewish Question & Climate
    have been researching the problem for days, on social media, and
    determined that we are in a crisis. "Jews," they explained. "They
    fixed things so this horrible virus couldn't do anything south of the
    border as a way of fooling people into not liking what we're doing to
    the food supply & prices."

    "Jews," Greta echoed.
    --
    https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Wed Oct 15 12:15:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    On 10/15/2025 10:49 AM, JTEM wrote:
    On 10/15/25 9:13 AM, RonO wrote:

    H9N2 avian influenza

    So the bird flu that can't infect any birds that fly & migrate, but has
    no problems infecting cows and their milk, and even survives cooking, is necessitating that the powers drive food prices up even higher!

    "Look what we did to the price of eggs here, while they remained as
    low as ever just across the border," said one alert social engineer.
    "We wouldn't need to do this if you'd listen to us and ate bugs."

    Scientists from the Greta Institute for the Jewish Question & Climate
    have been researching the problem for days, on social media, and
    determined that we are in a crisis. "Jews," they explained. "They
    fixed things so this horrible virus couldn't do anything south of the
    border as a way of fooling people into not liking what we're doing to
    the food supply & prices."

    "Jews," Greta echoed.

    Low path AI infects just as many wild birds, but they are tolerant of
    the virus and just shed it, but mortality rate is lower than High path AI.

    Why keep lying about the dairy virus (high path AI)? Why keep lying
    about surviving cooking? Your continued lying is just insane at this
    time. You know that it infects birds and mammals, and that migratory
    birds have taken it into South America where it has infected birds and
    mammal, just not dairy cattle as far as anyone is admitting to.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Thu Oct 16 11:06:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    On 10/15/2025 8:13 AM, RonO wrote:
    On 10/12/2025 6:14 PM, RonO wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 7:41 AM, RonO wrote:
    On 10/9/2025 6:18 PM, RonO wrote:
    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/researchers-
    live- h5n1-avian-flu-can-survive-raw-milk-cheese-6-months

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-025-04010-0

    A Cornell study has found that H5N1 genotype B3.13 (dairy virus) can
    survive in raw milk and cheese made from unpasteurized milk for up
    to 6 months.

    Cornell is where the raw cat food that killed the New York cats was
    analyzed.

    The FDA never completed their study to determine if the CDC was
    correct in determining that the dairy virus could survive the most
    common pasteurization method.-a That study can still be done because
    contaminated milk is likely still being processed in several states.
    California likely still has over a hundred infected dairies.

    Ron Okimoto

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/flurry-h5n1-
    activity-noted-commercial-poultry-wild-birds

    Over the last 30 days 38 flocks (24 commercial and 14 backyard flocks
    more than 4.4 million birds) have gone down to H5N1.-a They need to
    start releasing the genotype so that farmers can understand where the
    infection is coming from.-a States are being reinfected with the dairy
    virus genotype B3.13, but the USDA is no longer notifying the public
    of reinfections of dairy herds, but a lot of states with infected
    poultry flocks have reinfected dairy herds.-a Last August California
    admitted that 43 of the herds that had cleared the virus had been
    reinfected. California has not updated that number since Aug 1st, but
    at that time they said that they were maintaining their dairy virus
    control measures, but those control measures obviously were not
    working.-a The virus has changed enough so that it is starting a new
    round of infection. Multiple other states have had reinfected herds,
    but they are not being announced as infections by the USDA.

    As crazy as it may seem dairy workers on infected dairies have never
    been restricted from working on poultry farms.-a It has only been a
    "recommendation" that workers on infected farms not work on other
    farms, but it has never been enforced nor designated as more than a
    recommendation.-a California did not restrict dairy worker movements
    and lost over 40% of their layer flocks and a lot of meat bird
    flocks.-a The virus got into the food chain because some of the
    chickens that got into the raw cat food were infected, but had been
    processed before showing symptoms.-a Whenever poultry flocks start
    going down with the dairy virus there are infected dairies in the
    same area.

    Ron Okimoto

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/measles/quick-takes-israeli-measles-death-
    latest-avian-flu-fatal-rift-valley-fever-cases-senegal

    Notes 1 flock in Washington (2 million bird flock of layers) and
    doesn't give the genotype of the infecting virus.-a They do not note
    that the USDA also lists multiple turkey flocks in Minnesota.-a They
    don't list the genotype of the virus.-a The USDA claims that 6.2
    million poultry have been infected in the last 30 days.

    Ron Okimoto

    H9N2 avian influenza is infecting people in china.-a The article doesn't say, but they are likely being infected by the poultry that they
    associate with.-a 21 human cases in the last 6 months.-a H9N2 is low path
    AI and not high path like H5N1 so neighborhood poultry can survive the infection and maintain the virus in the environment.

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/two-new-h9n2-avian- flu-cases-reported-china

    Ron Okimoto


    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/three-large-turkey-farms-minnesota-hit-h5n1-avian-flu

    More commercial flocks and backyard flocks have tested positive. They
    are not releasing the genotype information, and it is important because
    B3.13 may be associated with nearby dairies, and if it is D1.1 they need
    to increase their warnings to backyard flock owners to be watchful of
    their birds, and at the first sign of infection they need to minimize
    bird contact and get the flock tested. Guys in hasmat suits would
    likely show up to do testing for D1.1 because D1.1 has proven to be
    fatal in humans (one fatality and 3 hospitalizations in around a dozen
    human infections).

    Ron Okimoto

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