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A study claims that if a chimp eats 10 lbs of fruit a day its the
equivalent of two cocktales for a human. Lifeforms have had to deal
with ethanol for a very long time. Plants and animals have alcohol dehydrogenase. It metabolizes the products of glycolysis. We
domesticated yeast to produce ethanol for us.

Ron Okimoto

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 15:16:27 -0500, the following appeared
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chimpanzees-alcohol-cocktails-fruit-research/

A study claims that if a chimp eats 10 lbs of fruit a day its the
equivalent of two cocktales for a human. Lifeforms have had to deal
with ethanol for a very long time. Plants and animals have alcohol >dehydrogenase. It metabolizes the products of glycolysis. We
domesticated yeast to produce ethanol for us.

All hail yeast!

Salud!

--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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On 9/18/2025 12:54 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 15:16:27 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chimpanzees-alcohol-cocktails-fruit-research/ >>
A study claims that if a chimp eats 10 lbs of fruit a day its the
equivalent of two cocktales for a human. Lifeforms have had to deal
with ethanol for a very long time. Plants and animals have alcohol
dehydrogenase. It metabolizes the products of glycolysis. We
domesticated yeast to produce ethanol for us.

All hail yeast!

Salud!

They have us just where they want us. Enslaved to produce their kind
for all time. They have us so doped up that they have gotten us to
believe that it is the other way around.

Chickens have become the most abundant birds on the planet, and we scoff
at bird brains. Around 10 billion chickens are raised in just the US
each year.

Ron Okimoto

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 08:16:16 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>:

On 9/18/2025 12:54 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 15:16:27 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chimpanzees-alcohol-cocktails-fruit-research/ >>>
A study claims that if a chimp eats 10 lbs of fruit a day its the
equivalent of two cocktales for a human. Lifeforms have had to deal
with ethanol for a very long time. Plants and animals have alcohol
dehydrogenase. It metabolizes the products of glycolysis. We
domesticated yeast to produce ethanol for us.

All hail yeast!

Salud!

They have us just where they want us. Enslaved to produce their kind
for all time. They have us so doped up that they have gotten us to
believe that it is the other way around.

Chickens have become the most abundant birds on the planet, and we scoff
at bird brains. Around 10 billion chickens are raised in just the US
each year.

:-)

--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 08:16:16 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 9/18/2025 12:54 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 15:16:27 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chimpanzees-alcohol-cocktails-fruit-research/ >>>
A study claims that if a chimp eats 10 lbs of fruit a day its the
equivalent of two cocktales for a human. Lifeforms have had to deal
with ethanol for a very long time. Plants and animals have alcohol
dehydrogenase. It metabolizes the products of glycolysis. We
domesticated yeast to produce ethanol for us.

All hail yeast!

Salud!

They have us just where they want us. Enslaved to produce their kind
for all time. They have us so doped up that they have gotten us to
believe that it is the other way around.

Chickens have become the most abundant birds on the planet, and we scoff
at bird brains. Around 10 billion chickens are raised in just the US
each year.

Ron Okimoto

Since you mention it:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7dAG4T-5h4>
At over 66 billion birds, Gallus gallus domesticus is the most
numerous bird that has ever existed.
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To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
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On 9/19/2025 1:54 AM, jillery wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 08:16:16 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 9/18/2025 12:54 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 15:16:27 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chimpanzees-alcohol-cocktails-fruit-research/ >>>>
A study claims that if a chimp eats 10 lbs of fruit a day its the
equivalent of two cocktales for a human. Lifeforms have had to deal
with ethanol for a very long time. Plants and animals have alcohol
dehydrogenase. It metabolizes the products of glycolysis. We
domesticated yeast to produce ethanol for us.

All hail yeast!

Salud!

They have us just where they want us. Enslaved to produce their kind
for all time. They have us so doped up that they have gotten us to
believe that it is the other way around.

Chickens have become the most abundant birds on the planet, and we scoff
at bird brains. Around 10 billion chickens are raised in just the US
each year.

Ron Okimoto

Since you mention it:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7dAG4T-5h4>

At over 66 billion birds, Gallus gallus domesticus is the most
numerous bird that has ever existed.

There may have been billions of passenger pigeons, but that large
population seemed to be highly inbred. Even though most chickens are
limited to being derived from small commercial breeding populations they
have more genetic variation than passenger pigeons used to have.
Selection intensity was so great for the pigeon that most of the genetic variation left in the population was restricted to high recombination
rate ends of the chromosomes. The rest had likely been selected to near homozygousity. They were probably too well adapted to their niche and
when the oak forests that they depended on for breeding were clear cut
to open farm land in the Eastern United States. They could not adapt to
the reduced and patchwork arrangement of the forests that were left.
They needed to nest in flocks of millions of birds, and they probably
couldn't use the same nesting grounds every year because they would
decimate a forest.

The yellow skin of chickens preferred in the US comes from the Grey Junglefowl. Red Junglefowl (the progenitors of domestic chickens) have
white skin. This guy doesn't note that Grey junglefowl were commonly
crossed with domestic chickens in the last couple of centuries in order
to produce desired fly tying feathers, but the yellow skin was
transferred, possibly, thousands of years before in India and made it
into Chinese domestic breeds that the American standard breeds were
derived from. Most European breeds were still white skinned in the 19th century when the American standard breeds began to be created using
Asian stocks brought in by Yankee clipper ships.

The Egyptian ancient incubators allowed the production of nonbroody
breeds, and Mediteranean breeds became champion layer chickens, but the nonbroody breeds needed other broody breeds to produce the next
generation until artificial incubation took over European agriculture.
The guy doesn't mention that in warmer climates some people would
incubate eggs with body heat. There were special benches with slots for
the eggs that someone would lay on. In the movie Kingdom of the planet
of the apes the eagle clan made nests, but kept the eggs in pouches on
their chests.

I saw a documentary that went to one of the ancient type Egyptian
incubation houses that still incubate eggs in the ancient way. They did
heat the house with some kind of fuel, I do not recall if it was animal
dung, but the eggs were incubated in large baskets with each basket
containing bags of eggs of different ages in terms of the start of
incubation. Most of the heat was generated by the older embryos in the basket. Several times a day the bags of eggs would be rearranged in the basket (egg turning). The manager would determine how many older
embryos needed to be in the basket by touching eggs to his eye lid to determine the temperature of the egg. He didn't need a thermometer.
When the older eggs were ready to hatch they were taken to a different
room to hatch. It is good to hatch eggs at higher humidity to help keep
the chicks from drying out inside the shell and getting glued in before
they can hatch.

Ron Okimoto


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