• God's first words

    From erik simpson@eastside.erik@gmail.com to talk-origins on Mon Sep 8 13:07:33 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    It may be that God's first words of creation were "Let there be light,
    and also black holes.

    JWST observations of one of the "Little red dots" seems to something
    pretty close to a naked black hole that is just beginning to accumulate material the make stars. One of the possibilities is a primordial black
    hole (one that formed very soon (~ seconds or less) after the Big Bang.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2508.21748

    A direct black hole mass measurement in a Little Red Dot at the Epoch of Reionization
    Ignas Juod++balis 1,2rya, Cosimo Marconcini 3,4, Francesco DrCOEugenio 1,2, Roberto Maiolino 1,2,5,
    Alessandro Marconi 3,4, Hannah |Lbler 6, Jan Scholtz 1,2, Xihan Ji 1,2, Santiago Arribas 7,
    Jake S. Bennett 8, Volker Bromm 9, Andrew J. Bunker 10, Stefano Carniani
    11, St|-phane Charlot 12,
    Giovanni Cresci 4, Pratika Dayal 13,14, Eiichi Egami 15, Andrew Fabian
    16, Kohei Inayoshi 17,
    Yuki Isobe 1,2,18, Lucy R. Ivey 1,2, Gareth C. Jones 1,2, Sophie
    Koudmani 19,20, Nicolas Laporte 21,
    Boyuan Liu 22, Jianwei Lyu 15, Giovanni Mazzolari 6, Stephanie Monty 16, Eleonora Parlanti 11,
    Pablo G. P|-rez-Gonz|ilez 7, Michele Perna 7, Brant Robertson 23,
    Raffaella Schneider 24,
    Debora S-|acki 1,16, Sandro Tacchella 1,2, Alessandro Trinca 25, Rosa
    Valiante 26, Marta Volonteri 12,
    Joris Witstok 27,28, Saiyang Zhang 29,30
    Recent discoveries of faint active galactic nuclei (AGN) at the redshift frontier have revealed a plethora of broad H+# emitters
    with optically red continua, named Little Red Dots (LRDs)1, which
    comprise 15-30% of the high redshift broad line AGN
    population2. Due to their peculiar spectral properties3rCo5 and X-ray weakness6, modeling LRDs with standard AGN templates
    has proven challenging. In particular, the validity of single-epoch
    virial mass estimates in determining the black hole (BH)
    masses of LRDs has been called into question, with some models claiming
    that masses might be overestimated by up to
    2 orders of magnitude7rCo10, and other models claiming that LRDs may be entirely stellar in nature11. We report the direct,
    dynamical BH mass measurement in a strongly lensed LRD at EYao = 7.04. The combination of lensing with deep spectroscopic
    data reveals a rotation curve that is inconsistent with a nuclear star cluster, yet can be well explained by Keplerian rotation
    around a point mass of 50 million Solar masses, consistent with virial
    BH mass estimates from the Balmer lines. The Keplerian
    rotation leaves little room for any stellar component in a host galaxy,
    as we conservatively infer EYaCBH/EYaCreu > 2. Such a rCLnakedrCY
    black hole, together with its near-pristine environment12, indicates
    that this LRD is a massive black hole seed caught in its
    earliest accretion phase.

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  • From erik simpson@eastside.erik@gmail.com to talk-origins on Mon Sep 8 17:03:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    It may be that God's first words of creation were "Let there be light,
    and also black holes.

    JWST observations of one of the "Little red dots" seems to something
    pretty close to a naked black hole that is just beginning to accumulate material the make stars. One of the possibilities is a primordial black
    hole (one that formed very soon (~ seconds or less) after the Big Bang.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2508.21748

    A direct black hole mass measurement in a Little Red Dot at the Epoch of Reionization
    Ignas Juod++balis 1,2rya, Cosimo Marconcini 3,4, Francesco DrCOEugenio 1,2, Roberto Maiolino 1,2,5,
    Alessandro Marconi 3,4, Hannah |Lbler 6, Jan Scholtz 1,2, Xihan Ji 1,2, Santiago Arribas 7,
    Jake S. Bennett 8, Volker Bromm 9, Andrew J. Bunker 10, Stefano Carniani
    11, St|-phane Charlot 12,
    Giovanni Cresci 4, Pratika Dayal 13,14, Eiichi Egami 15, Andrew Fabian
    16, Kohei Inayoshi 17,
    Yuki Isobe 1,2,18, Lucy R. Ivey 1,2, Gareth C. Jones 1,2, Sophie
    Koudmani 19,20, Nicolas Laporte 21,
    Boyuan Liu 22, Jianwei Lyu 15, Giovanni Mazzolari 6, Stephanie Monty 16, Eleonora Parlanti 11,
    Pablo G. P|-rez-Gonz|ilez 7, Michele Perna 7, Brant Robertson 23,
    Raffaella Schneider 24,
    Debora S-|acki 1,16, Sandro Tacchella 1,2, Alessandro Trinca 25, Rosa
    Valiante 26, Marta Volonteri 12,
    Joris Witstok 27,28, Saiyang Zhang 29,30
    Recent discoveries of faint active galactic nuclei (AGN) at the redshift frontier have revealed a plethora of broad H+# emitters
    with optically red continua, named Little Red Dots (LRDs)1, which
    comprise 15-30% of the high redshift broad line AGN
    population2. Due to their peculiar spectral properties3rCo5 and X-ray weakness6, modeling LRDs with standard AGN templates
    has proven challenging. In particular, the validity of single-epoch
    virial mass estimates in determining the black hole (BH)
    masses of LRDs has been called into question, with some models claiming
    that masses might be overestimated by up to
    2 orders of magnitude7rCo10, and other models claiming that LRDs may be entirely stellar in nature11. We report the direct,
    dynamical BH mass measurement in a strongly lensed LRD at EYao = 7.04. The combination of lensing with deep spectroscopic
    data reveals a rotation curve that is inconsistent with a nuclear star cluster, yet can be well explained by Keplerian rotation
    around a point mass of 50 million Solar masses, consistent with virial
    BH mass estimates from the Balmer lines. The Keplerian
    rotation leaves little room for any stellar component in a host galaxy,
    as we conservatively infer EYaCBH/EYaCreu > 2. Such a rCLnakedrCY
    black hole, together with its near-pristine environment12, indicates
    that this LRD is a massive black hole seed caught in its
    earliest accretion phase.

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  • From Dale@dalekellytoo@gmail.com to talk-origins on Thu Sep 11 21:23:11 2025
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    On 9/8/2025 4:07 PM, erik simpson wrote:
    It may be that God's first words of creation were "Let there be light,
    and also black holes.


    In Panentheism, God has escapism,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism

    As opposed to Pantheism,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
    --
    Mystery? -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

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