• New cases of H5N1

    From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Wed Sep 3 10:02:51 2025
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    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/h5n1-avian-flu-strikes-south-dakota-turkey-farm

    They aren't releasing the genotype information on the virus infecting
    these animals.

    No new herds have been infected since August 1st, but the USDA is not releasing information on reinfected herds and California admitted that
    43 herds have been reinfected by August 21 since May. States like
    Colorado, Minnesota, and Iowa supposedly have reinfected herds that are
    not being reported by the USDA. Those states were infected early and
    had likely cleared the the virus (went through the entire state) before
    being reinfected.

    GISAID phylogeny indicates that Idaho was reinfected with the California strain of the virus. Idaho had initially been infected by the Texas
    lineage in 2024, but starting in April 2025 they had been infected with
    the California lineage. So the virus seems to have made it out of
    California, and they likely need to see if the reinfected herds in other states are being infected with the California lineage. The California
    virus is significantly different and more divergent than the Texas
    virus. It looks like the phylogeny is incorrect. It may be that The
    Texas human infection is messing up the analysis and the root node is misplaced. The Texas sample has always been known to be a sequence
    outlier and possible recombinant. It looks like using this sequence is
    making the Texas lineage look more closely related to the outgroup wild
    bird lineages. If they remove A/Texas/37/2024 the actual root of the
    dairy virus sequences may shift to be closer to the California sequences.

    https://gisaid.org/phylogeny-influenza/hpai-h5n1-usa/

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Fri Sep 5 13:11:46 2025
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    On 9/3/2025 10:02 AM, RonO wrote:
    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/h5n1-avian-flu- strikes-south-dakota-turkey-farm

    They aren't releasing the genotype information on the virus infecting
    these animals.

    No new herds have been infected since August 1st, but the USDA is not releasing information on reinfected herds and California admitted that
    43 herds have been reinfected by August 21 since May.-a States like Colorado, Minnesota, and Iowa supposedly have reinfected herds that are
    not being reported by the USDA.-a Those states were infected early and
    had likely cleared the the virus (went through the entire state) before being reinfected.

    GISAID phylogeny indicates that Idaho was reinfected with the California strain of the virus.-a Idaho had initially been infected by the Texas lineage in 2024, but starting in April 2025 they had been infected with
    the California lineage.-a So the virus seems to have made it out of California, and they likely need to see if the reinfected herds in other states are being infected with the California lineage.-a The California virus is significantly different and more divergent than the Texas
    virus.-a It looks like the phylogeny is incorrect.-a It may be that The Texas human infection is messing up the analysis and the root node is misplaced.-a The Texas sample has always been known to be a sequence
    outlier and possible recombinant.-a It looks like using this sequence is making the Texas lineage look more closely related to the outgroup wild
    bird lineages.-a If they remove A/Texas/37/2024 the actual root of the
    dairy virus sequences may shift to be closer to the California sequences.

    https://gisaid.org/phylogeny-influenza/hpai-h5n1-usa/

    Ron Okimoto



    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-cat-euthanized-getting-bird-flu-raw-cat-food-rcna229349

    https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/cvm-updates/fda-notifies-pet-owners-tests-show-h5n1-contamination-certain-lots-rawr-raw-cat-food-chicken-eats

    The raw cat food that the cat ate was contaminated with the dairy
    influenza genotype B3.13. The FDA claims that the virus isolated from
    the cat food and the cat are similar to virus circulating Nov. Dec.
    2024. They seem to think that the frozen ingredients were collected in
    late 2024. The food was labeled as containing raw chicken meat. The
    company has removed the contaminated lots from distribution, but the FDA
    has not issued a recall.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Sep 6 18:13:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    On 9/5/2025 1:11 PM, RonO wrote:
    On 9/3/2025 10:02 AM, RonO wrote:
    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/h5n1-avian-flu-
    strikes-south-dakota-turkey-farm

    They aren't releasing the genotype information on the virus infecting
    these animals.

    No new herds have been infected since August 1st, but the USDA is not
    releasing information on reinfected herds and California admitted that
    43 herds have been reinfected by August 21 since May.-a States like
    Colorado, Minnesota, and Iowa supposedly have reinfected herds that
    are not being reported by the USDA.-a Those states were infected early
    and had likely cleared the the virus (went through the entire state)
    before being reinfected.

    GISAID phylogeny indicates that Idaho was reinfected with the
    California strain of the virus.-a Idaho had initially been infected by
    the Texas lineage in 2024, but starting in April 2025 they had been
    infected with the California lineage.-a So the virus seems to have made
    it out of California, and they likely need to see if the reinfected
    herds in other states are being infected with the California lineage.
    The California virus is significantly different and more divergent
    than the Texas virus.-a It looks like the phylogeny is incorrect.-a It
    may be that The Texas human infection is messing up the analysis and
    the root node is misplaced.-a The Texas sample has always been known to
    be a sequence outlier and possible recombinant.-a It looks like using
    this sequence is making the Texas lineage look more closely related to
    the outgroup wild bird lineages.-a If they remove A/Texas/37/2024 the
    actual root of the dairy virus sequences may shift to be closer to the
    California sequences.

    https://gisaid.org/phylogeny-influenza/hpai-h5n1-usa/

    Ron Okimoto



    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-cat-euthanized-getting- bird-flu-raw-cat-food-rcna229349

    https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/cvm-updates/fda-notifies-pet- owners-tests-show-h5n1-contamination-certain-lots-rawr-raw-cat-food- chicken-eats

    The raw cat food that the cat ate was contaminated with the dairy
    influenza genotype B3.13.-a The FDA claims that the virus isolated from
    the cat food and the cat are similar to virus circulating Nov. Dec.
    2024.-a They seem to think that the frozen ingredients were collected in late 2024.-a The food was labeled as containing raw chicken meat.-a The company has removed the contaminated lots from distribution, but the FDA
    has not issued a recall.

    Ron Okimoto

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/h5n1-detected-texas-dairy-herd-researchers-cant-pinpoint-source-california

    A new dairy has been infected in Texas. They are not releasing the
    genotype, but Nevada and Arizona have D1.1 infected dairy herds. This
    is the first new infection since May, but they aren't saying where it occurred. Herds clear the virus in around 3 months so they need to
    figure out where this virus came from.

    They claim to have not been able to identify how the California child
    was infected in Dec. 2024. The child had an abdominal flu infection,
    and they will not even consider that it might have been the milk that
    the child drank. The child did not drink raw milk, but in Oct. 2024 the
    CDC published a report of their work indicating that infective virus
    might survive the most common method of pastuerization and survive in refrigerated milk for at least 4 days. The FDA claimed that they were
    going to check that out at that time, but nothing ever was tested. They claimed that they were asking for volunteer processing plants to be
    tested, apparently, they did not get anyone that was willing to find out
    that they were producing infective dairy products so the study was never started. No results have ever been published. The California
    investigators claim to have checked out all ways that the child may have
    been infected, but they left dairy products off their list of things
    that they checked.

    The USDA is still not announcing reinfected herds and California has not updated their reinfection numbers since Aug 1. At that time they
    claimed to have 43 reinfected herds since May, and that they were
    continuing their herd isolation policies. As crazy as it may seem these policies do not require the restriction of dairy worker movements. You
    can go to the GISAID H5N1 influenza phylogeny and see that Idaho dairies
    began to be infected with the California strain of the B3.13 genotype in
    May. The 2024 infections of Idaho herds was with the Texas strain of
    the virus that is a very different sequence from the California variant.
    There has never been an effort to try to figure out where the
    California virus came from. It is obviously not very related to the
    Texas lineages. You can check out the GISAID phylogeny and it looks
    like the California strain came from outer space. The GISAID phylogeny
    is likely wrong. The root node associating the dairy virus with the
    B3.13 genotype is associated with the texas dairy lineage, but that may
    be due to the use of the human infection A/Texas/37/2024 that has always
    been known to be a sequence outlier and possible recombinant. What they
    need to do is redo the phylogenetic analysis without the A/Texas/37/2024 sequence. From the branch lengths of the divergence phylogeny it looks
    like the root may be closer to or within the California sequences.

    The USDA has to start doing the epidemiological analysis of their
    sequences that they should have been doing from day one. They need to
    inform the states that have reinfected herds of what Genotype of the
    virus is infecting their herds and they have to start determining where
    that virus is coming from. They obviously need to keep the virus from spreading from California when the movement of animals is already
    restricted. They have to restrict dairy worker movements unless they
    have tested negative for the virus.

    https://gisaid.org/phylogeny-influenza/hpai-h5n1-usa/

    The GISAID have removed the Washington poultry worker, the Wyoming farm worker, and the Nevada dairy worker from their D1.1 phylogeny. All
    three had been infected with the same lineage of the D1.1 virus. The Washington poultry worker had been infected in Oct and was likely part
    of the second group of poultry workers 3 of whom were detected after
    they left the state and were in Oregon, so infected workers had
    obviously left the state, and it looks like one or more of them went to Wyoming and/or Nevada. Those sequence were removed for some reason and
    GISAID is not giving any explanation. The epidemiological analysis has
    never been done, and the Nevada dairy workers movements were not
    restricted and Arizona got infected with the Nevada virus. They did not restrict dairy worker movements even though they knew that at least one
    Nevada dairy worker had been infected that worked at an infected dairy.
    The CDC and USDA has always only recommended that dairy workers on
    infected farms not go to other farms, and that recommendation obviously
    does not apply to herds that are not yet known to be infected. It sounds
    like 23 states are no longer testing their herds even though some states
    are being reinfected.

    The epidemic is supposed to be winding down, but it looks like another
    round of reinfections is starting. Colorado, Minn. and Iowa are
    supposed to have reinfected herds, but they aren't doing the
    epidemiology to find out where the virus is coming from. They aren't
    even counting them as infected herds.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Sep 13 08:35:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    On 9/6/2025 6:13 PM, RonO wrote:
    On 9/5/2025 1:11 PM, RonO wrote:
    On 9/3/2025 10:02 AM, RonO wrote:
    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/h5n1-avian-flu-
    strikes-south-dakota-turkey-farm

    They aren't releasing the genotype information on the virus infecting
    these animals.

    No new herds have been infected since August 1st, but the USDA is not
    releasing information on reinfected herds and California admitted
    that 43 herds have been reinfected by August 21 since May.-a States
    like Colorado, Minnesota, and Iowa supposedly have reinfected herds
    that are not being reported by the USDA.-a Those states were infected
    early and had likely cleared the the virus (went through the entire
    state) before being reinfected.

    GISAID phylogeny indicates that Idaho was reinfected with the
    California strain of the virus.-a Idaho had initially been infected by
    the Texas lineage in 2024, but starting in April 2025 they had been
    infected with the California lineage.-a So the virus seems to have
    made it out of California, and they likely need to see if the
    reinfected herds in other states are being infected with the
    California lineage. The California virus is significantly different
    and more divergent than the Texas virus.-a It looks like the phylogeny
    is incorrect.-a It may be that The Texas human infection is messing up
    the analysis and the root node is misplaced.-a The Texas sample has
    always been known to be a sequence outlier and possible recombinant.
    It looks like using this sequence is making the Texas lineage look
    more closely related to the outgroup wild bird lineages.-a If they
    remove A/Texas/37/2024 the actual root of the dairy virus sequences
    may shift to be closer to the California sequences.

    https://gisaid.org/phylogeny-influenza/hpai-h5n1-usa/

    Ron Okimoto



    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-cat-euthanized-
    getting- bird-flu-raw-cat-food-rcna229349

    https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/cvm-updates/fda-notifies-pet-
    owners-tests-show-h5n1-contamination-certain-lots-rawr-raw-cat-food-
    chicken-eats

    The raw cat food that the cat ate was contaminated with the dairy
    influenza genotype B3.13.-a The FDA claims that the virus isolated from
    the cat food and the cat are similar to virus circulating Nov. Dec.
    2024.-a They seem to think that the frozen ingredients were collected
    in late 2024.-a The food was labeled as containing raw chicken meat.
    The company has removed the contaminated lots from distribution, but
    the FDA has not issued a recall.

    Ron Okimoto

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/h5n1-detected-texas- dairy-herd-researchers-cant-pinpoint-source-california

    A new dairy has been infected in Texas.-a They are not releasing the genotype, but Nevada and Arizona have D1.1 infected dairy herds.-a This
    is the first new infection since May, but they aren't saying where it occurred.-a Herds clear the virus in around 3 months so they need to
    figure out where this virus came from.

    They claim to have not been able to identify how the California child
    was infected in Dec. 2024.-a The child had an abdominal flu infection,
    and they will not even consider that it might have been the milk that
    the child drank.-a The child did not drink raw milk, but in Oct. 2024 the CDC published a report of their work indicating that infective virus
    might survive the most common method of pastuerization and survive in refrigerated milk for at least 4 days.-a The FDA claimed that they were going to check that out at that time, but nothing ever was tested.-a They claimed that they were asking for volunteer processing plants to be
    tested, apparently, they did not get anyone that was willing to find out that they were producing infective dairy products so the study was never started.-a No results have ever been published.-a The California investigators claim to have checked out all ways that the child may have been infected, but they left dairy products off their list of things
    that they checked.

    The USDA is still not announcing reinfected herds and California has not updated their reinfection numbers since Aug 1.-a At that time they
    claimed to have 43 reinfected herds since May, and that they were
    continuing their herd isolation policies.-a As crazy as it may seem these policies do not require the restriction of dairy worker movements.-a You
    can go to the GISAID H5N1 influenza phylogeny and see that Idaho dairies began to be infected with the California strain of the B3.13 genotype in May.-a The 2024 infections of Idaho herds was with the Texas strain of
    the virus that is a very different sequence from the California variant.
    -aThere has never been an effort to try to figure out where the
    California virus came from.-a It is obviously not very related to the
    Texas lineages.-a You can check out the GISAID phylogeny and it looks
    like the California strain came from outer space.-a The GISAID phylogeny
    is likely wrong.-a The root node associating the dairy virus with the
    B3.13 genotype is associated with the texas dairy lineage, but that may
    be due to the use of the human infection A/Texas/37/2024 that has always been known to be a sequence outlier and possible recombinant.-a What they need to do is redo the phylogenetic analysis without the A/Texas/37/2024 sequence.-a From the branch lengths of the divergence phylogeny it looks like the root may be closer to or within the California sequences.

    The USDA has to start doing the epidemiological analysis of their
    sequences that they should have been doing from day one.-a They need to inform the states that have reinfected herds of what Genotype of the
    virus is infecting their herds and they have to start determining where
    that virus is coming from.-a They obviously need to keep the virus from spreading from California when the movement of animals is already restricted.-a They have to restrict dairy worker movements unless they
    have tested negative for the virus.

    https://gisaid.org/phylogeny-influenza/hpai-h5n1-usa/

    The GISAID have removed the Washington poultry worker, the Wyoming farm worker, and the Nevada dairy worker from their D1.1 phylogeny.-a All
    three had been infected with the same lineage of the D1.1 virus.-a The Washington poultry worker had been infected in Oct and was likely part
    of the second group of poultry workers 3 of whom were detected after
    they left the state and were in Oregon, so infected workers had
    obviously left the state, and it looks like one or more of them went to Wyoming and/or Nevada.-a Those sequence were removed for some reason and GISAID is not giving any explanation.-a The epidemiological analysis has never been done, and the Nevada dairy workers movements were not
    restricted and Arizona got infected with the Nevada virus.-a They did not restrict dairy worker movements even though they knew that at least one Nevada dairy worker had been infected that worked at an infected dairy.
    The CDC and USDA has always only recommended that dairy workers on
    infected farms not go to other farms, and that recommendation obviously
    does not apply to herds that are not yet known to be infected. It sounds like 23 states are no longer testing their herds even though some states
    are being reinfected.

    The epidemic is supposed to be winding down, but it looks like another
    round of reinfections is starting.-a Colorado, Minn. and Iowa are
    supposed to have reinfected herds, but they aren't doing the
    epidemiology to find out where the virus is coming from.-a They aren't
    even counting them as infected herds.

    Ron Okimoto


    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/chikungunya/quick-takes-mosquito-borne-illness-europe-polio-3-nations-avian-flu-hits-more-us

    More poultry flocks are going down, and the USDA is not releasing the
    genotype information so it is not known if it is the dairy virus or some
    other H5N1 such as D1.1 that has also infected dairy herds. Since a lot
    of states have stopped testing their herds and herds are being
    reinfected in several states the USDA should be doing the epidemiology analysis, but that has never happened since the beginning of the dairy epidemic. The USDA is the only ones that can do such a sequence
    analysis since they refuse to label their sequences as to their location
    of collection (it is only listed as USA).

    Ron Okimoto

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