• migration and aging

    From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Mon Aug 25 15:29:49 2025
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    https://phys.org/news/2025-08-flamingos-reveal-secret-aging.html

    This paper probably should not have been published without population
    genetic data. They claim that migration extends reproductive life
    expectancy by around a year and a half. The migratory population
    reproduces longer.

    The issue seems to be that they did not treat the populations as
    distinct, probably, because they breed in the same lagoon. This
    research got published in PNAS.

    https://phys.org/news/2025-08-flamingos-reveal-secret-aging.html

    The PNAS paper is paywalled. It may seem strange, but they did not do population genetic analysis on these flamingos.

    They collected phenotypic data, but not genetic data. These are likely genetically distinct populations since sedentary breed with sedentary
    and migrants breed with other migrants because sendentary birds are
    together all year long, and parents lead their brood off on migration.
    If they did the genetics they would likely find that they are dealing
    with two populations. There would be selection for age related
    phenotypes because yearling migratory birds are led by the older birds (usually their parents, and join into larger flocks), and birds learn migratory routes and stopovers from the older birds.

    They are likely dealing with a genetic difference, but they didn't do
    the analysis to figure it out. Their numbers are skewed and likely
    subject to data collection bias. Resident breeding data was based on
    1357 individuals (>90% of winter sightings in France) and only 237
    individual migrant breeders (>90% of their winter sightings outside of France). They could have biased their data by considering reproductive attempts for birds that were around long enough to collect enough
    sightings outside of France to be included in the analysis (they had to
    have, at least 9 winter sightings outside of France).

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Aug 23 08:22:02 2025
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    On 8/22/2025 11:56 PM, Pro Plyd wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/08/mammals-that-chose-ants-and- termites-as-food-almost-never-go-back/

    ...
    A new study reveals that this extreme dietary
    specialization, once thought rare and mysterious,
    has emerged independently in mammals at least 12
    times in the last 66 million years (i.e., since
    the Cenozoic era began). This is a striking
    example of convergent evolution and shows just
    how powerful ants and termites have been in
    shaping mammalian history.

    rCLThe number of distinct origins for myrmecophagy
    was certainly surprising, as was the discovery
    that their origins seem to quite neatly follow
    the trend of growth across ant and termite
    colony sizes throughout the Cenozoic,rCY Thomas
    Vida, first author of the study and a researcher
    at the University of Bonn, told Ars Technica.

    To figure out how often and when mammals evolved a
    taste for ants and termites, the study authors first
    had to track down which species are truly rCLobligate myrmecophagesrCYrCoanimals that rely entirely on ants
    and termites, with little to no other food in their
    diet. That meant going through nearly a centuryrCOs
    worth of information. rCLWe looked through a very
    large number of published natural history papers,
    zoological texts, and conservation reports as a
    baseline for identification,rCY Vida added.

    This board dataset covered 4,099 living mammal
    species. The researchers then grouped these species
    into one of five dietary categories based on gut
    analyses and field observations: strict ant/termite
    specialists, general insect-eaters, carnivores,
    omnivores, and herbivores. Next, they ran several
    statistical models to work backward from this data
    to reconstruct the most likely diets for each
    ancestral node.

    The results showed at least 12 separate origins
    of obligate myrmecophagy, with instances in each
    of the three main mammal groups: monotremes
    (egg-laying mammals), marsupials, and placentals.
    Surprisingly, some families, like Carnivora (dogs,
    bears, weasels), were responsible for about a
    quarter of all these origins, suggesting certain
    lineages were predisposed to make the leap.
    ...
    Once mammals switched to an ant-and-termite-only
    diet, they almost never went back. The elephant
    shrew genus Macroscelides was the sole exception,
    shifting to omnivory after adopting myrmecophagy
    during the Eocene. This suggests that such
    specialization can be an evolutionary one-way
    street, possibly because losing teeth and
    developing highly adapted tongues, claws, and
    stomachs makes it difficult to return to a
    generalist diet.

    rCLWe only recover a single reversal out of
    specialized ant- and termite-eating, which could
    mean a few things. One possibility is that it is
    exceptionally difficult to re-evolve baseline
    feeding features once you become heavily
    specialized. It could also be that betting on
    ants and termites tends to pay off, that is,
    there is little selective pressure to
    de-specialize given the ubiquity of social
    insects in many environments,rCY Barden explained.
    ...

    This is not really surprising. A lot of mammals are insectivores and
    termites and ants are really abundant. Termites may have a biomass
    greater than the current human population. There are even more ants
    around. Insects are highly nutritious, and ant and termite eaters
    develop the same traits because they are needed to access the ant and
    termite colonies. You need digging claws and a way to slurp up as many
    ants or termites as possible.

    Ron Okimoto

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