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Vincent Maycock <ma.ycock@gm.ail.com> posted:
Briefly, how are you changing the field self-interaction to increase >>>>the thrust of your PNN vehicle? Or are there other methods that you're >>>>using to accomplish that crucial goal?
Yes, methods:
1) Lower the impedance of the dipole
2) Increase the current
And are those things difficult to accomplish?
To lower the impedance of a dipole fed at high frequency is not so >simple, one would have to at least use silver wires, at least.
And you're saying those cost too much to try to use?
Second, and more important, to increase the current, all the circuitry >must *support* high currents at high frequency, and some electronic >components just melt under such stress.
Which ones are melting down,
and why can't you replace them
$$$$$$ and to pay several engineers...
E.Laureti <user2039@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Vincent Maycock <ma.ycock@gm.ail.com> posted:
Briefly, how are you changing the field self-interaction to increase >> > >>>>the thrust of your PNN vehicle? Or are there other methods that you're >> > >>>>using to accomplish that crucial goal?
Yes, methods:
1) Lower the impedance of the dipole
2) Increase the current
And are those things difficult to accomplish?
To lower the impedance of a dipole fed at high frequency is not so
simple, one would have to at least use silver wires, at least.
Firstly, you have to match the impedance of your "dipole" load to the RF >source and to the transmission line.
There are ways to lower the impedance of the radiating element, such as >increasing the diameter (which lowers the Q as well). Copper tubing is
great. For impedance matching, a transformer will work. You also need a >balun, as explained before, and there are simple, slick ways to realize
a balun and impedance-matching transformer all in one, using
transmission line or antenna stubs.
However. Simply more current isn't going to solve your problem. The
velocity of charge carriers is just as important. You can have high
current drifting lazily along the element, and it won't give you vXB
force. You need to know the bulk drift rate of the electrons. You also
need to know the current distribution along the dipole.
Silver wire isn't an answer. Element RF impedance is determined by the >geometry of the element. Metal conductivity has less to do with it.
Plus, "wire" (presumably thin) is going to give you high impedance and
high Q. Also, google "skin effect".
What you are building is basically an antenna. Antennas are not known
for producing force, if you hadn't noticed.
Then there's the unbalanced coax feed blooper, which you don't seem to >realize.
Any vXB force is applied between the dipole and the magnets, not
externally, and that's your foremost miscalculation.
Your RF half-cycles are still canceling out all your alleged force.
I can't see why you are even using RF. Can you explain that? A DC loop
in 'n out the B field would work just as well, being infinitely simpler.
A TV picture tube has an electron beam, guided by vXB force using the
magnets in the yoke. Shouldn't that produce thrust? Perhaps you could
just use a TV picture tube for your space propulsion system? As a side >benefit, it would entertain the astronauts all the way to Mars.
I realize you can't answer any of these points, but your retorts are >endearing.
And you're saying those cost too much to try to use?
Second, and more important, to increase the current, all the circuitry
must *support* high currents at high frequency, and some electronic
components just melt under such stress.
Which ones are melting down,
The "designer".
and why can't you replace them
Because... :
$$$$$$ and to pay several engineers...
You're building a device that will revolutionize space travel, and no
one involved can do any engineering, let alone the physics? So you have
to solicit investors and free advice on Usenet?
Lord have mercy.
E.Laureti <user2039@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Vincent Maycock <ma.ycock@gm.ail.com> posted:
Briefly, how are you changing the field self-interaction to increase >> > >>>>the thrust of your PNN vehicle? Or are there other methods that you're >> > >>>>using to accomplish that crucial goal?
Yes, methods:
1) Lower the impedance of the dipole
2) Increase the current
And are those things difficult to accomplish?
To lower the impedance of a dipole fed at high frequency is not so
simple, one would have to at least use silver wires, at least.
Firstly, you have to match the impedance of your "dipole" load to the RF >source and to the transmission line.
There are ways to lower the impedance of the radiating element, such as >increasing the diameter (which lowers the Q as well). Copper tubing is
great. For impedance matching, a transformer will work. You also need a >balun, as explained before, and there are simple, slick ways to realize
a balun and impedance-matching transformer all in one, using
transmission line or antenna stubs.
However. Simply more current isn't going to solve your problem. The
velocity of charge carriers is just as important. You can have high
current drifting lazily along the element, and it won't give you vXB
force. You need to know the bulk drift rate of the electrons. You also
need to know the current distribution along the dipole.
Silver wire isn't an answer. Element RF impedance is determined by the >geometry of the element. Metal conductivity has less to do with it.
Plus, "wire" (presumably thin) is going to give you high impedance and
high Q. Also, google "skin effect".
What you are building is basically an antenna. Antennas are not known
for producing force, if you hadn't noticed.
Then there's the unbalanced coax feed blooper, which you don't seem to >realize.
Any vXB force is applied between the dipole and the magnets, not
externally, and that's your foremost miscalculation.
Your RF half-cycles are still canceling out all your alleged force.
I can't see why you are even using RF. Can you explain that? A DC loop
in 'n out the B field would work just as well, being infinitely simpler.
A TV picture tube has an electron beam, guided by vXB force using the
magnets in the yoke. Shouldn't that produce thrust? Perhaps you could
just use a TV picture tube for your space propulsion system? As a side >benefit, it would entertain the astronauts all the way to Mars.
I realize you can't answer any of these points, but your retorts are >endearing.
And you're saying those cost too much to try to use?
Second, and more important, to increase the current, all the circuitry
must *support* high currents at high frequency, and some electronic
components just melt under such stress.
Which ones are melting down,
The "designer".
and why can't you replace them
Because... :
$$$$$$ and to pay several engineers...
You're building a device that will revolutionize space travel, and no
one involved can do any engineering, let alone the physics? So you have
to solicit investors and free advice on Usenet?
Lord have mercy.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:33:24 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Rufus Ruffian <ru@ru.ru>:
E.Laureti <user2039@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:I suspect that "solicit investors" is the key.
Vincent Maycock <ma.ycock@gm.ail.com> posted:
Briefly, how are you changing the field self-interaction to increase >>> > >>>>the thrust of your PNN vehicle? Or are there other methods that you're
using to accomplish that crucial goal?
Yes, methods:
1) Lower the impedance of the dipole
2) Increase the current
And are those things difficult to accomplish?
To lower the impedance of a dipole fed at high frequency is not so
simple, one would have to at least use silver wires, at least.
Firstly, you have to match the impedance of your "dipole" load to the RF >>source and to the transmission line.
There are ways to lower the impedance of the radiating element, such as >>increasing the diameter (which lowers the Q as well). Copper tubing is >>great. For impedance matching, a transformer will work. You also need a >>balun, as explained before, and there are simple, slick ways to realize
a balun and impedance-matching transformer all in one, using
transmission line or antenna stubs.
However. Simply more current isn't going to solve your problem. The >>velocity of charge carriers is just as important. You can have high
current drifting lazily along the element, and it won't give you vXB
force. You need to know the bulk drift rate of the electrons. You also
need to know the current distribution along the dipole.
Silver wire isn't an answer. Element RF impedance is determined by the >>geometry of the element. Metal conductivity has less to do with it.
Plus, "wire" (presumably thin) is going to give you high impedance and
high Q. Also, google "skin effect".
What you are building is basically an antenna. Antennas are not known
for producing force, if you hadn't noticed.
Then there's the unbalanced coax feed blooper, which you don't seem to >>realize.
Any vXB force is applied between the dipole and the magnets, not >>externally, and that's your foremost miscalculation.
Your RF half-cycles are still canceling out all your alleged force.
I can't see why you are even using RF. Can you explain that? A DC loop
in 'n out the B field would work just as well, being infinitely simpler.
A TV picture tube has an electron beam, guided by vXB force using the >>magnets in the yoke. Shouldn't that produce thrust? Perhaps you could
just use a TV picture tube for your space propulsion system? As a side >>benefit, it would entertain the astronauts all the way to Mars.
I realize you can't answer any of these points, but your retorts are >>endearing.
And you're saying those cost too much to try to use?
Second, and more important, to increase the current, all the circuitry >>> > >must *support* high currents at high frequency, and some electronic
components just melt under such stress.
Which ones are melting down,
The "designer".
and why can't you replace them
Because... :
$$$$$$ and to pay several engineers...
You're building a device that will revolutionize space travel, and no
one involved can do any engineering, let alone the physics? So you have
to solicit investors and free advice on Usenet?
Indeed.
Lord have mercy.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:33:24 -0700, Rufus Ruffian <ru@ru.ru> wrote:
E.Laureti <user2039@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Vincent Maycock <ma.ycock@gm.ail.com> posted:
Briefly, how are you changing the field self-interaction to increase >> > >>>>the thrust of your PNN vehicle? Or are there other methods that you're
using to accomplish that crucial goal?
Yes, methods:
1) Lower the impedance of the dipole
2) Increase the current
And are those things difficult to accomplish?
To lower the impedance of a dipole fed at high frequency is not so
simple, one would have to at least use silver wires, at least.
Firstly, you have to match the impedance of your "dipole" load to the RF >source and to the transmission line.
There are ways to lower the impedance of the radiating element, such as >increasing the diameter (which lowers the Q as well). Copper tubing is >great. For impedance matching, a transformer will work. You also need a >balun, as explained before, and there are simple, slick ways to realize
a balun and impedance-matching transformer all in one, using
transmission line or antenna stubs.
However. Simply more current isn't going to solve your problem. The >velocity of charge carriers is just as important. You can have high
current drifting lazily along the element, and it won't give you vXB
force. You need to know the bulk drift rate of the electrons. You also
need to know the current distribution along the dipole.
Silver wire isn't an answer. Element RF impedance is determined by the >geometry of the element. Metal conductivity has less to do with it.
Plus, "wire" (presumably thin) is going to give you high impedance and
high Q. Also, google "skin effect".
What you are building is basically an antenna. Antennas are not known
for producing force, if you hadn't noticed.
Then there's the unbalanced coax feed blooper, which you don't seem to >realize.
Any vXB force is applied between the dipole and the magnets, not >externally, and that's your foremost miscalculation.
Your RF half-cycles are still canceling out all your alleged force.
I can't see why you are even using RF. Can you explain that? A DC loop
in 'n out the B field would work just as well, being infinitely simpler.
A TV picture tube has an electron beam, guided by vXB force using the >magnets in the yoke. Shouldn't that produce thrust? Perhaps you could
just use a TV picture tube for your space propulsion system? As a side >benefit, it would entertain the astronauts all the way to Mars.
I realize you can't answer any of these points, but your retorts are >endearing.
And you're saying those cost too much to try to use?
Second, and more important, to increase the current, all the circuitry >> > >must *support* high currents at high frequency, and some electronic
components just melt under such stress.
Which ones are melting down,
The "designer".
and why can't you replace them
Because... :
$$$$$$ and to pay several engineers...
You're building a device that will revolutionize space travel, and no
one involved can do any engineering, let alone the physics? So you have
to solicit investors and free advice on Usenet?
We also have various ongoing deals with Italian industries to sell the
F432BA prototype.
Lord have mercy.
Amen!
You have to read the entire www.asps.it site and you will find
explanations of why what you say is only partly true.
Yes the dipole impedance must match the impedance of the circuit, but
then also the circuit must support high currents at high frequency
(432MHz) for our V-shaped dipole, and electronic components that
support 432MHz with high currents siimply *do not exist*.
The components we use just *melt* after one hour of functioning at 250
Watts, so it is not possible for now to feed the circuit with higher currents.
If you find another way to increase currents I will be happy to pay
you for the explanation.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:33:24 -0700, Rufus Ruffian <ru@ru.ru> wrote:
E.Laureti <user2039@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Vincent Maycock <ma.ycock@gm.ail.com> posted:
Briefly, how are you changing the field self-interaction to increase >> > >>>>the thrust of your PNN vehicle? Or are there other methods that you're
using to accomplish that crucial goal?
Yes, methods:
1) Lower the impedance of the dipole
2) Increase the current
And are those things difficult to accomplish?
To lower the impedance of a dipole fed at high frequency is not so
simple, one would have to at least use silver wires, at least.
Firstly, you have to match the impedance of your "dipole" load to the RF >source and to the transmission line.
There are ways to lower the impedance of the radiating element, such as >increasing the diameter (which lowers the Q as well). Copper tubing is >great. For impedance matching, a transformer will work. You also need a >balun, as explained before, and there are simple, slick ways to realize
a balun and impedance-matching transformer all in one, using
transmission line or antenna stubs.
However. Simply more current isn't going to solve your problem. The >velocity of charge carriers is just as important. You can have high
current drifting lazily along the element, and it won't give you vXB
force. You need to know the bulk drift rate of the electrons. You also
need to know the current distribution along the dipole.
Silver wire isn't an answer. Element RF impedance is determined by the >geometry of the element. Metal conductivity has less to do with it.
Plus, "wire" (presumably thin) is going to give you high impedance and
high Q. Also, google "skin effect".
What you are building is basically an antenna. Antennas are not known
for producing force, if you hadn't noticed.
Then there's the unbalanced coax feed blooper, which you don't seem to >realize.
Any vXB force is applied between the dipole and the magnets, not >externally, and that's your foremost miscalculation.
Your RF half-cycles are still canceling out all your alleged force.
I can't see why you are even using RF. Can you explain that? A DC loop
in 'n out the B field would work just as well, being infinitely simpler.
A TV picture tube has an electron beam, guided by vXB force using the >magnets in the yoke. Shouldn't that produce thrust? Perhaps you could
just use a TV picture tube for your space propulsion system? As a side >benefit, it would entertain the astronauts all the way to Mars.
I realize you can't answer any of these points, but your retorts are >endearing.
And you're saying those cost too much to try to use?
Second, and more important, to increase the current, all the circuitry >> > >must *support* high currents at high frequency, and some electronic
components just melt under such stress.
Which ones are melting down,
The "designer".
and why can't you replace them
Because... :
$$$$$$ and to pay several engineers...
You're building a device that will revolutionize space travel, and no
one involved can do any engineering, let alone the physics? So you have
to solicit investors and free advice on Usenet?
We also have various ongoing deals with Italian industries to sell the
F432BA prototype.
Lord have mercy.
Amen!
You have to read the entire www.asps.it site and you will find
explanations of why what you say is only partly true.
Yes the dipole impedance must match the impedance of the circuit, but
then also the circuit must support high currents at high frequency
(432MHz) for our V-shaped dipole, and electronic components that
support 432MHz with high currents siimply *do not exist*.
The components we use just *melt* after one hour of functioning at 250
Watts, so it is not possible for now to feed the circuit with higher currents.
If you find another way to increase currents I will be happy to pay
you for the explanation.
Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:33:24 -0700, Rufus Ruffian <ru@ru.ru> wrote:
E.Laureti <user2039@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Vincent Maycock <ma.ycock@gm.ail.com> posted:
Briefly, how are you changing the field self-interaction to increase
the thrust of your PNN vehicle? Or are there other methods that you're
using to accomplish that crucial goal?
Yes, methods:
1) Lower the impedance of the dipole
2) Increase the current
And are those things difficult to accomplish?
To lower the impedance of a dipole fed at high frequency is not so
simple, one would have to at least use silver wires, at least.
Firstly, you have to match the impedance of your "dipole" load to the RF
source and to the transmission line.
There are ways to lower the impedance of the radiating element, such as
increasing the diameter (which lowers the Q as well). Copper tubing is
great. For impedance matching, a transformer will work. You also need a
balun, as explained before, and there are simple, slick ways to realize
a balun and impedance-matching transformer all in one, using
transmission line or antenna stubs.
However. Simply more current isn't going to solve your problem. The
velocity of charge carriers is just as important. You can have high
current drifting lazily along the element, and it won't give you vXB
force. You need to know the bulk drift rate of the electrons. You also
need to know the current distribution along the dipole.
Silver wire isn't an answer. Element RF impedance is determined by the
geometry of the element. Metal conductivity has less to do with it.
Plus, "wire" (presumably thin) is going to give you high impedance and
high Q. Also, google "skin effect".
What you are building is basically an antenna. Antennas are not known
for producing force, if you hadn't noticed.
Then there's the unbalanced coax feed blooper, which you don't seem to
realize.
Any vXB force is applied between the dipole and the magnets, not
externally, and that's your foremost miscalculation.
Your RF half-cycles are still canceling out all your alleged force.
I can't see why you are even using RF. Can you explain that? A DC loop
in 'n out the B field would work just as well, being infinitely simpler.
A TV picture tube has an electron beam, guided by vXB force using the
magnets in the yoke. Shouldn't that produce thrust? Perhaps you could
just use a TV picture tube for your space propulsion system? As a side
benefit, it would entertain the astronauts all the way to Mars.
I realize you can't answer any of these points, but your retorts are
endearing.
And you're saying those cost too much to try to use?
Second, and more important, to increase the current, all the circuitry >> >> > >must *support* high currents at high frequency, and some electronic
components just melt under such stress.
Which ones are melting down,
The "designer".
and why can't you replace them
Because... :
$$$$$$ and to pay several engineers...
You're building a device that will revolutionize space travel, and no
one involved can do any engineering, let alone the physics? So you have
to solicit investors and free advice on Usenet?
We also have various ongoing deals with Italian industries to sell the
F432BA prototype.
Oh, really?!! Italian industries want to cut deals with you! Therefore
your credibility cannot be questioned, and your every claim must be
true!
Lord have mercy.
Amen!
You have to read the entire www.asps.it site and you will find
explanations of why what you say is only partly true.
No, I'm sorry, I don't have to read the entire site. I looked through
the neolegesmotus site and pointed out a few flaws in your plans, any
one of which is fatal. You and Laurenti are unwilling or unable to
discuss the technical aspects, so it's justifiable to dismiss the whole >charade as either a troll or a scam.
Yes the dipole impedance must match the impedance of the circuit, but
then also the circuit must support high currents at high frequency
(432MHz) for our V-shaped dipole, and electronic components that
support 432MHz with high currents siimply *do not exist*.
The components we use just *melt* after one hour of functioning at 250
Watts, so it is not possible for now to feed the circuit with higher
currents.
What components? You've been asked that before and you only evade.
There are lots of 250+ W transmitters and antennas, from HF to
microwave, that work just fine for years without downtime. Cell sites, >radio/TV, radar, so forth. That's a crappy excuse. You are after a
Nobel, yet you can't even operate an RF signal source?
If you find another way to increase currents I will be happy to pay
you for the explanation.
Forget irrelevancies like increasing current. Your quest is doomed to
failure already. You can't build a simple experimental setup, let alone >falsify newtonian mechanics. Extraordinary claims, etc.
Here's my technical advice:
Get an honest job.
That will be 5o. Thank you, come again.
Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> posted:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:33:24 -0700, Rufus Ruffian <ru@ru.ru> wrote:
E.Laureti <user2039@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Vincent Maycock <ma.ycock@gm.ail.com> posted:
Briefly, how are you changing the field self-interaction to increase
the thrust of your PNN vehicle? Or are there other methods that you're
using to accomplish that crucial goal?
Yes, methods:
1) Lower the impedance of the dipole
2) Increase the current
And are those things difficult to accomplish?
To lower the impedance of a dipole fed at high frequency is not so
simple, one would have to at least use silver wires, at least.
Firstly, you have to match the impedance of your "dipole" load to the RF
source and to the transmission line.
There are ways to lower the impedance of the radiating element, such as
increasing the diameter (which lowers the Q as well). Copper tubing is
great. For impedance matching, a transformer will work. You also need a
balun, as explained before, and there are simple, slick ways to realize
a balun and impedance-matching transformer all in one, using
transmission line or antenna stubs.
However. Simply more current isn't going to solve your problem. The
velocity of charge carriers is just as important. You can have high
current drifting lazily along the element, and it won't give you vXB
force. You need to know the bulk drift rate of the electrons. You also
need to know the current distribution along the dipole.
Silver wire isn't an answer. Element RF impedance is determined by the
geometry of the element. Metal conductivity has less to do with it.
Plus, "wire" (presumably thin) is going to give you high impedance and
high Q. Also, google "skin effect".
What you are building is basically an antenna. Antennas are not known
for producing force, if you hadn't noticed.
Then there's the unbalanced coax feed blooper, which you don't seem to
realize.
Any vXB force is applied between the dipole and the magnets, not
externally, and that's your foremost miscalculation.
Your RF half-cycles are still canceling out all your alleged force.
I can't see why you are even using RF. Can you explain that? A DC loop
in 'n out the B field would work just as well, being infinitely simpler.
A TV picture tube has an electron beam, guided by vXB force using the
magnets in the yoke. Shouldn't that produce thrust? Perhaps you could
just use a TV picture tube for your space propulsion system? As a side
benefit, it would entertain the astronauts all the way to Mars.
I realize you can't answer any of these points, but your retorts are
endearing.
And you're saying those cost too much to try to use?
Second, and more important, to increase the current, all the circuitry >> >> > >must *support* high currents at high frequency, and some electronic
components just melt under such stress.
Which ones are melting down,
The "designer".
and why can't you replace them
Because... :
$$$$$$ and to pay several engineers...
You're building a device that will revolutionize space travel, and no
one involved can do any engineering, let alone the physics? So you have
to solicit investors and free advice on Usenet?
We also have various ongoing deals with Italian industries to sell the
F432BA prototype.
Lord have mercy.
Amen!
You have to read the entire www.asps.it site and you will find
explanations of why what you say is only partly true.
Yes the dipole impedance must match the impedance of the circuit, but
then also the circuit must support high currents at high frequency
(432MHz) for our V-shaped dipole, and electronic components that
support 432MHz with high currents siimply *do not exist*.
The components we use just *melt* after one hour of functioning at 250
Watts, so it is not possible for now to feed the circuit with higher
currents.
If you find another way to increase currents I will be happy to pay
you for the explanation.
there is no way to convince with words those who do not see the pnn tests
or do not reproduce basic experiments on their own.
As I said in another thread: let them sink happily
with the Titanic of their certainties :-)
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 02:01:18 -0700, Rufus Ruffian <ru@ru.ru> wrote:
Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:33:24 -0700, Rufus Ruffian <ru@ru.ru> wrote:
E.Laureti <user2039@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Vincent Maycock <ma.ycock@gm.ail.com> posted:
Briefly, how are you changing the field self-interaction to increase
the thrust of your PNN vehicle? Or are there other methods that you're
using to accomplish that crucial goal?
Yes, methods:
1) Lower the impedance of the dipole
2) Increase the current
And are those things difficult to accomplish?
To lower the impedance of a dipole fed at high frequency is not so >> >> > >simple, one would have to at least use silver wires, at least.
Firstly, you have to match the impedance of your "dipole" load to the RF >> >source and to the transmission line.
There are ways to lower the impedance of the radiating element, such as >> >increasing the diameter (which lowers the Q as well). Copper tubing is
great. For impedance matching, a transformer will work. You also need a >> >balun, as explained before, and there are simple, slick ways to realize >> >a balun and impedance-matching transformer all in one, using
transmission line or antenna stubs.
However. Simply more current isn't going to solve your problem. The
velocity of charge carriers is just as important. You can have high
current drifting lazily along the element, and it won't give you vXB
force. You need to know the bulk drift rate of the electrons. You also
need to know the current distribution along the dipole.
Silver wire isn't an answer. Element RF impedance is determined by the
geometry of the element. Metal conductivity has less to do with it.
Plus, "wire" (presumably thin) is going to give you high impedance and
high Q. Also, google "skin effect".
What you are building is basically an antenna. Antennas are not known
for producing force, if you hadn't noticed.
Then there's the unbalanced coax feed blooper, which you don't seem to
realize.
Any vXB force is applied between the dipole and the magnets, not
externally, and that's your foremost miscalculation.
Your RF half-cycles are still canceling out all your alleged force.
I can't see why you are even using RF. Can you explain that? A DC loop
in 'n out the B field would work just as well, being infinitely simpler. >> >
A TV picture tube has an electron beam, guided by vXB force using the
magnets in the yoke. Shouldn't that produce thrust? Perhaps you could
just use a TV picture tube for your space propulsion system? As a side
benefit, it would entertain the astronauts all the way to Mars.
I realize you can't answer any of these points, but your retorts are
endearing.
And you're saying those cost too much to try to use?
Second, and more important, to increase the current, all the circuitry
must *support* high currents at high frequency, and some electronic >> >> > >components just melt under such stress.
Which ones are melting down,
The "designer".
and why can't you replace them
Because... :
$$$$$$ and to pay several engineers...
You're building a device that will revolutionize space travel, and no
one involved can do any engineering, let alone the physics? So you have >> >to solicit investors and free advice on Usenet?
We also have various ongoing deals with Italian industries to sell the
F432BA prototype.
Oh, really?!! Italian industries want to cut deals with you! Therefore
your credibility cannot be questioned, and your every claim must be
true!
Lord have mercy.
Amen!
You have to read the entire www.asps.it site and you will find
explanations of why what you say is only partly true.
No, I'm sorry, I don't have to read the entire site. I looked through
the neolegesmotus site and pointed out a few flaws in your plans, any
one of which is fatal. You and Laurenti are unwilling or unable to
discuss the technical aspects, so it's justifiable to dismiss the whole >charade as either a troll or a scam.
Yes the dipole impedance must match the impedance of the circuit, but
then also the circuit must support high currents at high frequency
(432MHz) for our V-shaped dipole, and electronic components that
support 432MHz with high currents siimply *do not exist*.
The components we use just *melt* after one hour of functioning at 250
Watts, so it is not possible for now to feed the circuit with higher
currents.
What components? You've been asked that before and you only evade.
There are lots of 250+ W transmitters and antennas, from HF to
microwave, that work just fine for years without downtime. Cell sites, >radio/TV, radar, so forth. That's a crappy excuse. You are after a
Nobel, yet you can't even operate an RF signal source?
If you find another way to increase currents I will be happy to pay
you for the explanation.
Forget irrelevancies like increasing current. Your quest is doomed to >failure already. You can't build a simple experimental setup, let alone >falsify newtonian mechanics. Extraordinary claims, etc.
Here's my technical advice:
Get an honest job.
That will be 5-o. Thank you, come again.
You don't even know if I am working, but Yes, I have a true job.
Details are reserved for friends.
https://ibb.co/JWTTrgwR
Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> posted:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 02:01:18 -0700, Rufus Ruffian <ru@ru.ru> wrote:
Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:33:24 -0700, Rufus Ruffian <ru@ru.ru> wrote:
E.Laureti <user2039@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Vincent Maycock <ma.ycock@gm.ail.com> posted:
Briefly, how are you changing the field self-interaction to increase
the thrust of your PNN vehicle? Or are there other methods that you're
using to accomplish that crucial goal?
Yes, methods:
1) Lower the impedance of the dipole
2) Increase the current
And are those things difficult to accomplish?
To lower the impedance of a dipole fed at high frequency is not so >> >> >> > >simple, one would have to at least use silver wires, at least.
Firstly, you have to match the impedance of your "dipole" load to the RF >> >> >source and to the transmission line.
There are ways to lower the impedance of the radiating element, such as >> >> >increasing the diameter (which lowers the Q as well). Copper tubing is >> >> >great. For impedance matching, a transformer will work. You also need a >> >> >balun, as explained before, and there are simple, slick ways to realize >> >> >a balun and impedance-matching transformer all in one, using
transmission line or antenna stubs.
However. Simply more current isn't going to solve your problem. The
velocity of charge carriers is just as important. You can have high
current drifting lazily along the element, and it won't give you vXB
force. You need to know the bulk drift rate of the electrons. You also >> >> >need to know the current distribution along the dipole.
Silver wire isn't an answer. Element RF impedance is determined by the >> >> >geometry of the element. Metal conductivity has less to do with it.
Plus, "wire" (presumably thin) is going to give you high impedance and >> >> >high Q. Also, google "skin effect".
What you are building is basically an antenna. Antennas are not known
for producing force, if you hadn't noticed.
Then there's the unbalanced coax feed blooper, which you don't seem to >> >> >realize.
Any vXB force is applied between the dipole and the magnets, not
externally, and that's your foremost miscalculation.
Your RF half-cycles are still canceling out all your alleged force.
I can't see why you are even using RF. Can you explain that? A DC loop >> >> >in 'n out the B field would work just as well, being infinitely simpler. >> >> >
A TV picture tube has an electron beam, guided by vXB force using the
magnets in the yoke. Shouldn't that produce thrust? Perhaps you could
just use a TV picture tube for your space propulsion system? As a side >> >> >benefit, it would entertain the astronauts all the way to Mars.
I realize you can't answer any of these points, but your retorts are
endearing.
And you're saying those cost too much to try to use?
Second, and more important, to increase the current, all the circuitry
must *support* high currents at high frequency, and some electronic >> >> >> > >components just melt under such stress.
Which ones are melting down,
The "designer".
and why can't you replace them
Because... :
$$$$$$ and to pay several engineers...
You're building a device that will revolutionize space travel, and no
one involved can do any engineering, let alone the physics? So you have >> >> >to solicit investors and free advice on Usenet?
We also have various ongoing deals with Italian industries to sell the
F432BA prototype.
Oh, really?!! Italian industries want to cut deals with you! Therefore
your credibility cannot be questioned, and your every claim must be
true!
Lord have mercy.
Amen!
You have to read the entire www.asps.it site and you will find
explanations of why what you say is only partly true.
No, I'm sorry, I don't have to read the entire site. I looked through
the neolegesmotus site and pointed out a few flaws in your plans, any
one of which is fatal. You and Laurenti are unwilling or unable to
discuss the technical aspects, so it's justifiable to dismiss the whole
charade as either a troll or a scam.
Yes the dipole impedance must match the impedance of the circuit, but
then also the circuit must support high currents at high frequency
(432MHz) for our V-shaped dipole, and electronic components that
support 432MHz with high currents siimply *do not exist*.
The components we use just *melt* after one hour of functioning at 250
Watts, so it is not possible for now to feed the circuit with higher
currents.
What components? You've been asked that before and you only evade.
There are lots of 250+ W transmitters and antennas, from HF to
microwave, that work just fine for years without downtime. Cell sites,
radio/TV, radar, so forth. That's a crappy excuse. You are after a
Nobel, yet you can't even operate an RF signal source?
If you find another way to increase currents I will be happy to pay
you for the explanation.
Forget irrelevancies like increasing current. Your quest is doomed to
failure already. You can't build a simple experimental setup, let alone
falsify newtonian mechanics. Extraordinary claims, etc.
Here's my technical advice:
Get an honest job.
That will be 5o. Thank you, come again.
You don't even know if I am working, but Yes, I have a true job.
Details are reserved for friends.
https://ibb.co/JWTTrgwR
All the words and excuses that these anti-pnn use are just to avoid
the simplest PNN experiment that would disprove them.
They are terrified of the experiments that would expose their verbal scams.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 21:47:27 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:33:24 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Rufus Ruffian <ru@ru.ru>:
E.Laureti <user2039@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:I suspect that "solicit investors" is the key.
Vincent Maycock <ma.ycock@gm.ail.com> posted:
Briefly, how are you changing the field self-interaction to increase
the thrust of your PNN vehicle? Or are there other methods that you're
using to accomplish that crucial goal?
Yes, methods:
1) Lower the impedance of the dipole
2) Increase the current
And are those things difficult to accomplish?
To lower the impedance of a dipole fed at high frequency is not so
simple, one would have to at least use silver wires, at least.
Firstly, you have to match the impedance of your "dipole" load to the RF >>source and to the transmission line.
There are ways to lower the impedance of the radiating element, such as >>increasing the diameter (which lowers the Q as well). Copper tubing is >>great. For impedance matching, a transformer will work. You also need a >>balun, as explained before, and there are simple, slick ways to realize
a balun and impedance-matching transformer all in one, using
transmission line or antenna stubs.
However. Simply more current isn't going to solve your problem. The >>velocity of charge carriers is just as important. You can have high >>current drifting lazily along the element, and it won't give you vXB >>force. You need to know the bulk drift rate of the electrons. You also >>need to know the current distribution along the dipole.
Silver wire isn't an answer. Element RF impedance is determined by the >>geometry of the element. Metal conductivity has less to do with it.
Plus, "wire" (presumably thin) is going to give you high impedance and >>high Q. Also, google "skin effect".
What you are building is basically an antenna. Antennas are not known
for producing force, if you hadn't noticed.
Then there's the unbalanced coax feed blooper, which you don't seem to >>realize.
Any vXB force is applied between the dipole and the magnets, not >>externally, and that's your foremost miscalculation.
Your RF half-cycles are still canceling out all your alleged force.
I can't see why you are even using RF. Can you explain that? A DC loop
in 'n out the B field would work just as well, being infinitely simpler.
A TV picture tube has an electron beam, guided by vXB force using the >>magnets in the yoke. Shouldn't that produce thrust? Perhaps you could >>just use a TV picture tube for your space propulsion system? As a side >>benefit, it would entertain the astronauts all the way to Mars.
I realize you can't answer any of these points, but your retorts are >>endearing.
And you're saying those cost too much to try to use?
Second, and more important, to increase the current, all the circuitry >>> > >must *support* high currents at high frequency, and some electronic >>> > >components just melt under such stress.
Which ones are melting down,
The "designer".
and why can't you replace them
Because... :
$$$$$$ and to pay several engineers...
You're building a device that will revolutionize space travel, and no
one involved can do any engineering, let alone the physics? So you have >>to solicit investors and free advice on Usenet?
My suspicion is that you are a troll
Indeed.
Lord have mercy.
Amen!
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 02:01:18 -0700, Rufus Ruffian <ru@ru.ru> wrote:
Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
If you find another way to increase currents I will be happy to pay
you for the explanation.
Forget irrelevancies like increasing current. Your quest is doomed to >failure already. You can't build a simple experimental setup, let alone >falsify newtonian mechanics. Extraordinary claims, etc.
Here's my technical advice:
Get an honest job.
That will be 5o. Thank you, come again.
You don't even know if I am working, but Yes, I have a true job.
Details are reserved for friends.
https://ibb.co/JWTTrgwR