• 4 species of Giraffa

    From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Thu Aug 21 08:31:13 2025
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    https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/many-giraffe-species-are-africa-new-scientific-analysis-quadruples-cou-rcna226238

    https://giraffeconservation.org/facts-about-giraffe/

    The claim is that they have identified 4 distinct populations of
    giraffes with 7 sub species.

    This is sort of old news from 2021, but they may have more genomes
    sequenced since.

    The original genomics paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982221005467

    Link to open access if you are not allowed to down load the pdf from the
    link above:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33957077/

    The scam artists that are claiming to be bringing back extinct species
    should start doing what they should do in order to bring back extinct
    species. They need to gather enough genetically diverse samples to
    recreate an extinct species. This means that they should be collecting samples from as many endangered species as they can so that when they do
    go extinct they can actually recreate the species by cloning. My take
    is that there likely are not enough genetic samples of Norther White
    Rhinos to successfully bring the species back. The last three were
    related (sire and two daughters) that they were collecting semen and
    eggs from and all three had the same leg defect. They were already
    suffering from inbreeding depression when the samples were collected.
    They need to collect samples before there is an inbred genetic bottleneck.

    You have to be able to create a large enough population so that you can
    breed out the genetic defects. If all your samples like the Rhinos are homozygous for the same genetic defects you would have to fix them by
    genetic engineering and we aren't able to fix things like large
    deletions and chromosomal rearrangements at this time.

    Ron Okimoto




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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Fri Aug 22 09:14:27 2025
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    On 8/21/2025 8:31 AM, RonO wrote:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/many-giraffe-species-are- africa-new-scientific-analysis-quadruples-cou-rcna226238

    https://giraffeconservation.org/facts-about-giraffe/

    The claim is that they have identified 4 distinct populations of
    giraffes with 7 sub species.

    This is sort of old news from 2021, but they may have more genomes
    sequenced since.

    The original genomics paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982221005467

    Link to open access if you are not allowed to down load the pdf from the link above:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33957077/

    The scam artists that are claiming to be bringing back extinct species should start doing what they should do in order to bring back extinct species.-a They need to gather enough genetically diverse samples to recreate an extinct species.-a This means that they should be collecting samples from as many endangered species as they can so that when they do
    go extinct they can actually recreate the species by cloning.-a My take
    is that there likely are not enough genetic samples of Norther White
    Rhinos to successfully bring the species back.-a The last three were
    related (sire and two daughters) that they were collecting semen and
    eggs from and all three had the same leg defect.-a They were already suffering from inbreeding depression when the samples were collected.
    They need to collect samples before there is an inbred genetic bottleneck.

    You have to be able to create a large enough population so that you can breed out the genetic defects.-a If all your samples like the Rhinos are homozygous for the same genetic defects you would have to fix them by genetic engineering and we aren't able to fix things like large
    deletions and chromosomal rearrangements at this time.

    Ron Okimoto

    The new research: https://www.science.org/content/article/giraffes-are-four-distinct-species-major-report-confirms

    https://www.giraffids.org/uploads/1/5/0/7/150770488/gosgtaxonomictask_force_iucn_giraffetaxonomyassessment_final.pdf

    Ron Okimoto

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