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The ID perps have been claiming scientific censorship, probably, from
the beginning of the ID creationist scams changing the name of Biblical >creationism to intelligent design. They are still yacking about
censorship on their creationist news site.
On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 12:33:06 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> wrote:
The ID perps have been claiming scientific censorship, probably, from
the beginning of the ID creationist scams changing the name of Biblical
creationism to intelligent design. They are still yacking about
censorship on their creationist news site.
The biologist Rupert Sheldrake has a video where he talks about his
book "A New Science of Life" from 1981, which is about his hypothesis
about "morphogenetic fields".
Not exactly ID but intricately linked to ID, and apparently just as controversial, as it was deemed "heresy" by Nature magazine, quote:
"And to start with, things went swimmingly well. There was a feature
in New Scientist and Colin Couch was immensely supportive and helpful.
The Guardian wrote editorials, and there were serious discussions in
many scientific journals and magazines. But then three months later
came this Hammer Blow editorial on the front page of Nature ( the
leading international scientific journal), called "A Book for
Burning". And I was denounced by the editor of Nature, Sir John
Maddox, for heresy. And his aim was to run me out of tongue to make
sure I'd never get to got a job again or a grant in the scientific
world. And he succeeded. I was unemployable from then on, and I
became extremely dangerous to know. So magic succeeded. But it did
mean in terms of research on this hypothesis, I couldn't do it in
regular universities because it was just too controversial."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC6ljzgRVfY&t=897s
BTW, recent experimental research by others, inspired by his
hypothesis, has revealed strong evidence for these morphogentic fields
as well as for ID in general:
"If we want to understand biological intelligence or make bioinspired technologies these are the things we have to really think about.
Intelligence I think is pretty much everywhere, we have to get better
at being able to recognize it, and I think a large part of that is
going to be to understand the input that comes neither from the hardware/genetics nor from the history of evolution."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErgpNthZnak&t=305s
The ID perps have been claiming scientific censorship, probably, from
the beginning of the ID creationist scams changing the name of Biblical creationism to intelligent design.-a They are still yacking about
censorship on their creationist news site.
Are the ID perps being censored?-a Their bogus IDiotic propaganda
claiming to be able to teach the science of ID in the public schools is obviously still available to the rubes from their web site, and West Virginia and North Dakota recently took the bait and wanted to teach ID
in their public schools, but it was the ID perps that self censored the
West Virginia creationist rubes.-a The West Virginia legislator added teaching ID to an existing act, but the ID perps were able to run the
bait and switch and got her to drop any mention of ID and put in switch
scam language instead.-a The ID perps tell the rubes that the switch scam has nothing to do with intelligent design nor creationism, but the West Virginia creationist rube legislator that had bent over for the switch
scam still claimed that the switch scam would allow teaching intelligent design in the West Virginia public schools.-a Luskin had to tell her in
no uncertain terms that the ID perps did not support teaching
intelligent design in the public schools, and that the switch scam
should not be allowed to be used to teach the creationist ID scam.
Luskin is coauthor of the current teach ID scam propaganda that tells
the rubes that it is still legal to teach ID in the public schools, and
that the Kitzmiller federal court decision was wrong, and that there is
a scientific theory of ID that can be taught in the public schools.
For over 23 years the ID perps have self censored themselves.-a Whenever
any creationist rubes take the bait, they run the bait and switch and instead of giving the rubes the promised ID science all they get is an obfuscation and denial switch scam that doesn't mention that ID ever existed.-a This is definitely self censorship.-a The ID perps even tried
to run the bait and switch on the Dover creationist rubes, but the Dover rubes were too stupid and dishonest to understand that the bait and
switch was going down, just like the West Virginia legislator who did
not understand what removing all mention of intelligent design from the
act was supposed to do.
Ron Okimoto
The ID perp scam artists are stupidly claiming that the Scopes
censorship is still continuing.
On 7/24/25 9:27 AM, RonO wrote:
The ID perp scam artists are stupidly claiming that the Scopes
censorship is still continuing.
Lol!-a There was a time, back when actual people posted here, that
not a single person on the "Evolution" side of things doubted that
science is subject to the mercy of politics.
Rent:-a A Flock of DoDos
Pay extra special attention to the poker game scene, where they
talk about the anti-evolution environment of that time...
You agreed with everything it said. Back then. And then Dubya
was gone, they crowned O'BumHole and you "Forgot" that science
is controlled by politics.
Science runs on grant money so you please or at least fail to
offend the people dolling out the grants or you get a job at
Burger King.
People have lost their job for doing work that debunked the
Gwobull Warbling narrative. It's still happening, right at this
moment, and you want to pretend that the idea that "Science"
gets censored is ridiculous?
END the censorship AND THEN attack the IDers!
Gwobull Warbling and the idiocy that is paleo anthropology are
just two examples of dogma over facts.
The nut job self likely can't comprehend that this has nothing to do
with the fact that the science side is not censoring the ID scam.
On 7/3/2025 12:33 PM, RonO wrote:
The ID perps have been claiming scientific censorship, probably, from
the beginning of the ID creationist scams changing the name of Biblical
creationism to intelligent design.-a They are still yacking about
censorship on their creationist news site.
Are the ID perps being censored?-a Their bogus IDiotic propaganda
claiming to be able to teach the science of ID in the public schools is
obviously still available to the rubes from their web site, and West
Virginia and North Dakota recently took the bait and wanted to teach ID
in their public schools, but it was the ID perps that self censored the
West Virginia creationist rubes.-a The West Virginia legislator added
teaching ID to an existing act, but the ID perps were able to run the
bait and switch and got her to drop any mention of ID and put in switch
scam language instead.-a The ID perps tell the rubes that the switch scam >> has nothing to do with intelligent design nor creationism, but the West
Virginia creationist rube legislator that had bent over for the switch
scam still claimed that the switch scam would allow teaching intelligent
design in the West Virginia public schools.-a Luskin had to tell her in
no uncertain terms that the ID perps did not support teaching
intelligent design in the public schools, and that the switch scam
should not be allowed to be used to teach the creationist ID scam.
Luskin is coauthor of the current teach ID scam propaganda that tells
the rubes that it is still legal to teach ID in the public schools, and
that the Kitzmiller federal court decision was wrong, and that there is
a scientific theory of ID that can be taught in the public schools.
For over 23 years the ID perps have self censored themselves.-a Whenever
any creationist rubes take the bait, they run the bait and switch and
instead of giving the rubes the promised ID science all they get is an
obfuscation and denial switch scam that doesn't mention that ID ever
existed.-a This is definitely self censorship.-a The ID perps even tried
to run the bait and switch on the Dover creationist rubes, but the Dover
rubes were too stupid and dishonest to understand that the bait and
switch was going down, just like the West Virginia legislator who did
not understand what removing all mention of intelligent design from the
act was supposed to do.
Ron Okimoto
https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/a-century-after-the-scopes-trial-censoring-spirit-on-evolution-still-thrives/
The ID perp scam artists are stupidly claiming that the Scopes
censorship is still continuing. In a way the creationist censorship is >still continuing. The latest antics are to remove science topics that
they do not like from the public school science standards. Kansas >creationists succeeded in removing the Big Bang, biological evolution,
and other things like radioisotopes from the chemistry standards. Other >states like Texas and Oklahoma have talked about doing the same thing,
but the creationist censors have been talked down.
The saddest thing about the ID perps claiming to be censored is that the >bait and switch scam that they have been running for over 23 years is >obviously creationist self censorship (just like Scopes the creationists
are the censors). The creationist ID perps sell the rubes on claims of >having the bogus ID science to teach in the public schools, but 100% of
the time any creationist rubes take them up on the scam the ID perps
self censor themselves and run the bait and switch and only give the
rubes an obfuscation and denial switch scam that they tell the rubes has >nothing to do with ID nor creationism. Nearly all the rubes have not
bent over for the switch scam. Most of them have dropped the issue
rather than bend over for the switch scam. The few that did bend over
for the switch scam have tried to use the switch scam to sneak
creationism into their public schools. The original draft of the Ohio
model lesson plan had creationist web links recommended for the teacher,
and those had to be removed from the final lesson plan. Both Texas and >Louisiana tried to use their switch scam junk to teach creationism in
their public schools, and had to have the bait and switch run on them
again by the ID perps. The most recent case had the West Virginia >legislator having the bait and switch run on her twice within a year.
The ID perps got her to remove mentioning ID, and replacing it with
switch scam language in her legislation, but she was too stupid to >understand that the bait and switch was going down, and she continued to >claim that ID could be taught in the public schools after the switch
scam was signed into law. The ID perps had to run the bait and switch
on her again and tell her that they did not support teaching ID in the >public schools. Luskin told her that, and he is a coauthor of the
current teach ID scam propaganda put out by the ID perps claiming that
they have a scientific theory of ID, and that even though the ID scam
was deemed to not be any science worth calling science in Federal court, >that it is still legal to teach the junk in the public schools outside
of Dover Penn. It should be noted that the ID perps tried to run the
bait and switch on the Dover rubes, but the Dover rubes were too stupid
and dishonest to understand what the ID perps were trying to do, and
tried to teach the ID scam anyway.
The current ID perp bait and switch scam is self censorship. ID has
only been used as bait, no creationist rubes have ever gotten any ID
science to teach in the public schools from the ID perps.
Ron Okimoto
On 7/24/25 6:31 PM, RonO wrote:
The nut job self likely can't comprehend that this has nothing to do
with the fact that the science side is not censoring the ID scam.
"Sure we censor unapproved thoughts but you have no proof that
we censor I.D. proponents!"
It's not working. Apparently acting like a retard the way you do
is NOT an effective argument...
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 08:27:44 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 7/3/2025 12:33 PM, RonO wrote:
The ID perps have been claiming scientific censorship, probably, fromhttps://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/a-century-after-the-scopes-trial-censoring-spirit-on-evolution-still-thrives/
the beginning of the ID creationist scams changing the name of Biblical
creationism to intelligent design.-a They are still yacking about
censorship on their creationist news site.
Are the ID perps being censored?-a Their bogus IDiotic propaganda
claiming to be able to teach the science of ID in the public schools is
obviously still available to the rubes from their web site, and West
Virginia and North Dakota recently took the bait and wanted to teach ID
in their public schools, but it was the ID perps that self censored the
West Virginia creationist rubes.-a The West Virginia legislator added
teaching ID to an existing act, but the ID perps were able to run the
bait and switch and got her to drop any mention of ID and put in switch
scam language instead.-a The ID perps tell the rubes that the switch scam >>> has nothing to do with intelligent design nor creationism, but the West
Virginia creationist rube legislator that had bent over for the switch
scam still claimed that the switch scam would allow teaching intelligent >>> design in the West Virginia public schools.-a Luskin had to tell her in
no uncertain terms that the ID perps did not support teaching
intelligent design in the public schools, and that the switch scam
should not be allowed to be used to teach the creationist ID scam.
Luskin is coauthor of the current teach ID scam propaganda that tells
the rubes that it is still legal to teach ID in the public schools, and
that the Kitzmiller federal court decision was wrong, and that there is
a scientific theory of ID that can be taught in the public schools.
For over 23 years the ID perps have self censored themselves.-a Whenever >>> any creationist rubes take the bait, they run the bait and switch and
instead of giving the rubes the promised ID science all they get is an
obfuscation and denial switch scam that doesn't mention that ID ever
existed.-a This is definitely self censorship.-a The ID perps even tried >>> to run the bait and switch on the Dover creationist rubes, but the Dover >>> rubes were too stupid and dishonest to understand that the bait and
switch was going down, just like the West Virginia legislator who did
not understand what removing all mention of intelligent design from the
act was supposed to do.
Ron Okimoto
That link returns "There has been a critical error on this website."
ROFLMAO
The ID perp scam artists are stupidly claiming that the Scopes
censorship is still continuing. In a way the creationist censorship is
still continuing. The latest antics are to remove science topics that
they do not like from the public school science standards. Kansas
creationists succeeded in removing the Big Bang, biological evolution,
and other things like radioisotopes from the chemistry standards. Other
states like Texas and Oklahoma have talked about doing the same thing,
but the creationist censors have been talked down.
The saddest thing about the ID perps claiming to be censored is that the
bait and switch scam that they have been running for over 23 years is
obviously creationist self censorship (just like Scopes the creationists
are the censors). The creationist ID perps sell the rubes on claims of
having the bogus ID science to teach in the public schools, but 100% of
the time any creationist rubes take them up on the scam the ID perps
self censor themselves and run the bait and switch and only give the
rubes an obfuscation and denial switch scam that they tell the rubes has
nothing to do with ID nor creationism. Nearly all the rubes have not
bent over for the switch scam. Most of them have dropped the issue
rather than bend over for the switch scam. The few that did bend over
for the switch scam have tried to use the switch scam to sneak
creationism into their public schools. The original draft of the Ohio
model lesson plan had creationist web links recommended for the teacher,
and those had to be removed from the final lesson plan. Both Texas and
Louisiana tried to use their switch scam junk to teach creationism in
their public schools, and had to have the bait and switch run on them
again by the ID perps. The most recent case had the West Virginia
legislator having the bait and switch run on her twice within a year.
The ID perps got her to remove mentioning ID, and replacing it with
switch scam language in her legislation, but she was too stupid to
understand that the bait and switch was going down, and she continued to
claim that ID could be taught in the public schools after the switch
scam was signed into law. The ID perps had to run the bait and switch
on her again and tell her that they did not support teaching ID in the
public schools. Luskin told her that, and he is a coauthor of the
current teach ID scam propaganda put out by the ID perps claiming that
they have a scientific theory of ID, and that even though the ID scam
was deemed to not be any science worth calling science in Federal court,
that it is still legal to teach the junk in the public schools outside
of Dover Penn. It should be noted that the ID perps tried to run the
bait and switch on the Dover rubes, but the Dover rubes were too stupid
and dishonest to understand what the ID perps were trying to do, and
tried to teach the ID scam anyway.
The current ID perp bait and switch scam is self censorship. ID has
only been used as bait, no creationist rubes have ever gotten any ID
science to teach in the public schools from the ID perps.
Ron Okimoto
On 7/25/2025 7:42 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 08:27:44 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 7/3/2025 12:33 PM, RonO wrote:
The ID perps have been claiming scientific censorship, probably, fromhttps://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/a-century-after-the-scopes-trial-censoring-spirit-on-evolution-still-thrives/
the beginning of the ID creationist scams changing the name of Biblical >>>> creationism to intelligent design.-a They are still yacking about
censorship on their creationist news site.
Are the ID perps being censored?-a Their bogus IDiotic propaganda
claiming to be able to teach the science of ID in the public schools is >>>> obviously still available to the rubes from their web site, and West
Virginia and North Dakota recently took the bait and wanted to teach ID >>>> in their public schools, but it was the ID perps that self censored the >>>> West Virginia creationist rubes.-a The West Virginia legislator added
teaching ID to an existing act, but the ID perps were able to run the
bait and switch and got her to drop any mention of ID and put in switch >>>> scam language instead.-a The ID perps tell the rubes that the switch scam >>>> has nothing to do with intelligent design nor creationism, but the West >>>> Virginia creationist rube legislator that had bent over for the switch >>>> scam still claimed that the switch scam would allow teaching intelligent >>>> design in the West Virginia public schools.-a Luskin had to tell her in >>>> no uncertain terms that the ID perps did not support teaching
intelligent design in the public schools, and that the switch scam
should not be allowed to be used to teach the creationist ID scam.
Luskin is coauthor of the current teach ID scam propaganda that tells
the rubes that it is still legal to teach ID in the public schools, and >>>> that the Kitzmiller federal court decision was wrong, and that there is >>>> a scientific theory of ID that can be taught in the public schools.
For over 23 years the ID perps have self censored themselves.-a Whenever >>>> any creationist rubes take the bait, they run the bait and switch and
instead of giving the rubes the promised ID science all they get is an >>>> obfuscation and denial switch scam that doesn't mention that ID ever
existed.-a This is definitely self censorship.-a The ID perps even tried >>>> to run the bait and switch on the Dover creationist rubes, but the Dover >>>> rubes were too stupid and dishonest to understand that the bait and
switch was going down, just like the West Virginia legislator who did
not understand what removing all mention of intelligent design from the >>>> act was supposed to do.
Ron Okimoto
That link returns "There has been a critical error on this website."
ROFLMAO
It is pretty amusing. Other links to their web site are giving this
same error message.
Even the Discovery Institute's own links to the creationist news site
are giving this same message, so you can't even get there from the
Discovery Institute web page.
I got this link from their Research pull down menu. >https://evolutionnews.org/
On 7/25/2025 7:42 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 08:27:44 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 7/3/2025 12:33 PM, RonO wrote:
The ID perps have been claiming scientific censorship, probably, fromhttps://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/a-century-after-the-scopes-trial-
the beginning of the ID creationist scams changing the name of Biblical >>>> creationism to intelligent design.-a They are still yacking about
censorship on their creationist news site.
Are the ID perps being censored?-a Their bogus IDiotic propaganda
claiming to be able to teach the science of ID in the public schools is >>>> obviously still available to the rubes from their web site, and West
Virginia and North Dakota recently took the bait and wanted to teach ID >>>> in their public schools, but it was the ID perps that self censored the >>>> West Virginia creationist rubes.-a The West Virginia legislator added
teaching ID to an existing act, but the ID perps were able to run the
bait and switch and got her to drop any mention of ID and put in switch >>>> scam language instead.-a The ID perps tell the rubes that the switch
scam
has nothing to do with intelligent design nor creationism, but the West >>>> Virginia creationist rube legislator that had bent over for the switch >>>> scam still claimed that the switch scam would allow teaching
intelligent
design in the West Virginia public schools.-a Luskin had to tell her in >>>> no uncertain terms that the ID perps did not support teaching
intelligent design in the public schools, and that the switch scam
should not be allowed to be used to teach the creationist ID scam.
Luskin is coauthor of the current teach ID scam propaganda that tells
the rubes that it is still legal to teach ID in the public schools, and >>>> that the Kitzmiller federal court decision was wrong, and that there is >>>> a scientific theory of ID that can be taught in the public schools.
For over 23 years the ID perps have self censored themselves.-a Whenever >>>> any creationist rubes take the bait, they run the bait and switch and
instead of giving the rubes the promised ID science all they get is an >>>> obfuscation and denial switch scam that doesn't mention that ID ever
existed.-a This is definitely self censorship.-a The ID perps even tried >>>> to run the bait and switch on the Dover creationist rubes, but the
Dover
rubes were too stupid and dishonest to understand that the bait and
switch was going down, just like the West Virginia legislator who did
not understand what removing all mention of intelligent design from the >>>> act was supposed to do.
Ron Okimoto
censoring-spirit-on-evolution-still-thrives/
That link returns "There has been a critical error on this website."
-a ROFLMAO
It is pretty amusing.-a Other links to their web site are giving this
same error message.
Even the Discovery Institute's own links to the creationist news site
are giving this same message, so you can't even get there from the
Discovery Institute web page.
I got this link from their Research pull down menu. https://evolutionnews.org/
Ron Okimoto
The ID perp scam artists are stupidly claiming that the Scopes
censorship is still continuing.-a In a way the creationist censorship is >>> still continuing.-a The latest antics are to remove science topics that
they do not like from the public school science standards.-a Kansas
creationists succeeded in removing the Big Bang, biological evolution,
and other things like radioisotopes from the chemistry standards.-a Other >>> states like Texas and Oklahoma have talked about doing the same thing,
but the creationist censors have been talked down.
The saddest thing about the ID perps claiming to be censored is that the >>> bait and switch scam that they have been running for over 23 years is
obviously creationist self censorship (just like Scopes the creationists >>> are the censors).-a The creationist ID perps sell the rubes on claims of >>> having the bogus ID science to teach in the public schools, but 100% of
the time any creationist rubes take them up on the scam the ID perps
self censor themselves and run the bait and switch and only give the
rubes an obfuscation and denial switch scam that they tell the rubes has >>> nothing to do with ID nor creationism.-a Nearly all the rubes have not
bent over for the switch scam.-a Most of them have dropped the issue
rather than bend over for the switch scam.-a The few that did bend over
for the switch scam have tried to use the switch scam to sneak
creationism into their public schools.-a The original draft of the Ohio
model lesson plan had creationist web links recommended for the teacher, >>> and those had to be removed from the final lesson plan.-a Both Texas and >>> Louisiana tried to use their switch scam junk to teach creationism in
their public schools, and had to have the bait and switch run on them
again by the ID perps.-a The most recent case had the West Virginia
legislator having the bait and switch run on her twice within a year.
The ID perps got her to remove mentioning ID, and replacing it with
switch scam language in her legislation, but she was too stupid to
understand that the bait and switch was going down, and she continued to >>> claim that ID could be taught in the public schools after the switch
scam was signed into law.-a The ID perps had to run the bait and switch
on her again and tell her that they did not support teaching ID in the
public schools.-a Luskin told her that, and he is a coauthor of the
current teach ID scam propaganda put out by the ID perps claiming that
they have a scientific theory of ID, and that even though the ID scam
was deemed to not be any science worth calling science in Federal court, >>> that it is still legal to teach the junk in the public schools outside
of Dover Penn.-a It should be noted that the ID perps tried to run the
bait and switch on the Dover rubes, but the Dover rubes were too stupid
and dishonest to understand what the ID perps were trying to do, and
tried to teach the ID scam anyway.
The current ID perp bait and switch scam is self censorship.-a ID has
only been used as bait, no creationist rubes have ever gotten any ID
science to teach in the public schools from the ID perps.
Ron Okimoto