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We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have noI'm happy to give credit where it's due, but it's not WolfFan's fault
competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids
*replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 05:02:22 +0200, Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no >>competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids >>*replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
I'm happy to give credit where it's due, but it's not WolfFan's fault
you have no results to replicate.
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no
competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids
*replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
On Aug 16, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<feh2ak9e5kftrvevrvhj7n5jcvmcs9kpt5@4ax.com>):
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no
competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids
*replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
So... when are you going to make a demonstration showing that you can lift >even one kilo one meter and keep it aloft for one minute? Sometime around the >12th of Never, correct?
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 10:02:54 -0400, WolfFan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Aug 16, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<feh2ak9e5kftrvevrvhj7n5jcvmcs9kpt5@4ax.com>):
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids *replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
So... when are you going to make a demonstration showing that you can lift even one kilo one meter and keep it aloft for one minute? Sometime around the
12th of Never, correct?
We already made demonstrations to the Italian army.
On Aug 17, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<upo3akh9prrpfoj53o2h5ue7akkodokrrq@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 10:02:54 -0400, WolfFan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Aug 16, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<feh2ak9e5kftrvevrvhj7n5jcvmcs9kpt5@4ax.com>):
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no
competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids
*replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
So... when are you going to make a demonstration showing that you can lift >>> even one kilo one meter and keep it aloft for one minute? Sometime around >>> the
12th of Never, correct?
We already made demonstrations to the Italian army.
so show us those demos.
On 2025-08-17 14:59:39 +0000, WolfFan said:
On Aug 17, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<upo3akh9prrpfoj53o2h5ue7akkodokrrq@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 10:02:54 -0400, WolfFan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Aug 16, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<feh2ak9e5kftrvevrvhj7n5jcvmcs9kpt5@4ax.com>):
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids *replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
So... when are you going to make a demonstration showing that you can lift
even one kilo one meter and keep it aloft for one minute? Sometime around
the
12th of Never, correct?
We already made demonstrations to the Italian army.
so show us those demos.
Interesting though this discussion is, it isn't appropriate for this
group. Why not move it to sci.physics, where more physicists will see
it?
On Aug 17, 2025, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote
(in article <107srbm$2d5qu$1@dont-email.me>):
On 2025-08-17 14:59:39 +0000, WolfFan said:
On Aug 17, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<upo3akh9prrpfoj53o2h5ue7akkodokrrq@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 10:02:54 -0400, WolfFan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Aug 16, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<feh2ak9e5kftrvevrvhj7n5jcvmcs9kpt5@4ax.com>):
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no
competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids
*replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
So... when are you going to make a demonstration showing that you can lift
even one kilo one meter and keep it aloft for one minute? Sometime around >>>>> the
12th of Never, correct?
We already made demonstrations to the Italian army.
so show us those demos.
Interesting though this discussion is, it isn't appropriate for this
group. Why not move it to sci.physics, where more physicists will see
it?
Because herCOs nuts.
On 2025-08-17 14:59:39 +0000, WolfFan said:
On Aug 17, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<upo3akh9prrpfoj53o2h5ue7akkodokrrq@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 10:02:54 -0400, WolfFan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Aug 16, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<feh2ak9e5kftrvevrvhj7n5jcvmcs9kpt5@4ax.com>):
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no
competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids
*replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
So... when are you going to make a demonstration showing that you can lift >>>> even one kilo one meter and keep it aloft for one minute? Sometime around >>>> the
12th of Never, correct?
We already made demonstrations to the Italian army.
so show us those demos.
Interesting though this discussion is, it isn't appropriate for this
group. Why not move it to sci.physics, where more physicists will see
it?
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 07:20:19 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>The above attempted to do an insecure download without permission. Do
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 05:02:22 +0200, Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no >>>competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids >>>*replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
I'm happy to give credit where it's due, but it's not WolfFan's fault
you have no results to replicate.
http://www.asps.it
https://www.propulsion-revolution.com"As of November 2024 our PNN thruster is capable of producing thrust continuously for one hour without losing a single milligram of mass."
On 2025-08-17 16:11:16 +0000, WolfFan said:It doesn't take any expertise to identify this troll.
On Aug 17, 2025, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote
(in article <107srbm$2d5qu$1@dont-email.me>):
On 2025-08-17 14:59:39 +0000, WolfFan said:
On Aug 17, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<upo3akh9prrpfoj53o2h5ue7akkodokrrq@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 10:02:54 -0400, WolfFan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Aug 16, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<feh2ak9e5kftrvevrvhj7n5jcvmcs9kpt5@4ax.com>):
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no >>>>>>> competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids
*replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
So... when are you going to make a demonstration showing that you can lift
even one kilo one meter and keep it aloft for one minute? Sometime around
the
12th of Never, correct?
We already made demonstrations to the Italian army.
so show us those demos.
Interesting though this discussion is, it isn't appropriate for this
group. Why not move it to sci.physics, where more physicists will see
it?
Because he|ore4raos nuts.
Probably that's the right explanation, but it's fortunate that in >talk.origins there are ae a few people like you who can address his >nuttiness. At sci.physics (or sci.physics.relativity, which is much
more lively, though less relevant) it would make a change from
discussing a whole collections of crackpots, including Arindam Banerjee >(also known as Bertie Taylor), who seems rather similar to the present >crackpot.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 13:33:22 +0200, Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 07:20:19 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 05:02:22 +0200, Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no >>>>competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids >>>>*replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
I'm happy to give credit where it's due, but it's not WolfFan's fault
you have no results to replicate.
http://www.asps.it
The above attempted to do an insecure download without permission. Do
not click on it.
https://www.propulsion-revolution.com
"As of November 2024 our PNN thruster is capable of producing thrust >continuously for one hour without losing a single milligram of mass."
A link to a video of an actual operating device would be nice.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 23:44:30 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 13:33:22 +0200, Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 07:20:19 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 05:02:22 +0200, Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no >>>>>competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids >>>>>*replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
I'm happy to give credit where it's due, but it's not WolfFan's fault >>>>you have no results to replicate.
http://www.asps.it
The above attempted to do an insecure download without permission. Do
not click on it.
You are stupid. It is not a download, but a static web page.
https://www.propulsion-revolution.com
"As of November 2024 our PNN thruster is capable of producing thrust >>continuously for one hour without losing a single milligram of mass."
A link to a video of an actual operating device would be nice.
Already gave it.
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 06:43:25 +0200, Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 23:44:30 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 13:33:22 +0200, Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 07:20:19 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 05:02:22 +0200, Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no >>>>>>competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids >>>>>>*replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
I'm happy to give credit where it's due, but it's not WolfFan's fault >>>>>you have no results to replicate.
http://www.asps.it
The above attempted to do an insecure download without permission. Do >>>not click on it.
You are stupid. It is not a download, but a static web page.
http rather than https would seem to be problematic.
https://www.propulsion-revolution.com
"As of November 2024 our PNN thruster is capable of producing thrust >>>continuously for one hour without losing a single milligram of mass."
A link to a video of an actual operating device would be nice.
Already gave it.
They're just a bunch of shadowy videos with people babbling in
Italian.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 22:20:54 -0700, Vincent MaycockThe Shadow knows... BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
<ma.ycock@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 06:43:25 +0200, Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 23:44:30 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 13:33:22 +0200, Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 07:20:19 -0400, jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 05:02:22 +0200, Von Ottone <pnn@pnn.org> wrote: >>>>>>
We owe him a thanks, because grace to people like him we have no >>>>>>>competitors, everyone thinks we are a scam, so everyone avoids >>>>>>>*replicating* our propulsion concept.
Thanks WorfFan
I'm happy to give credit where it's due, but it's not WolfFan's fault >>>>>>you have no results to replicate.
http://www.asps.it
The above attempted to do an insecure download without permission. Do >>>>not click on it.
You are stupid. It is not a download, but a static web page.
http rather than https would seem to be problematic.
https://www.propulsion-revolution.com
"As of November 2024 our PNN thruster is capable of producing thrust >>>>continuously for one hour without losing a single milligram of mass."
A link to a video of an actual operating device would be nice.
Already gave it.
They're just a bunch of shadowy videos with people babbling in
Italian.
You are stupid, you do not watch the whole video and you criticize.Promises, promises...
I gave enought time to this newsgroup full of dements.
Good bye for good.
Has Norman Lorimer Dean come back from the dead?
On Aug 18, 2025, James Nicoll wrote
(in article <107ve2g$1qs$1@reader1.panix.com>):
Has Norman Lorimer Dean come back from the dead?
I already mentioned the Dean Drive. This boyAs stuff is much better than
the Dean Drive, itAs a perpetual motion machine of the second type. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
Alas, he cannot demonstrate anything. He canAt lift one kilo to an altitude >of one meter and sustain it for one minute. Hey, he canAt lift a gram to a >centimeter for 1 second. He has, according to his own stuff, been working at >this since 1998, possibly earlier, with no results. Apparenntly he uses >magnets in some fashion; I am reminded of the Magnetic Space Coupe in 1960s >Dick Tracy comic strips.
https://dicktracy.fandom.com/wiki/Space_Coupe
Gotta love it.
On Aug 18, 2025, James Nicoll wrote
(in article <107ve2g$1qs$1@reader1.panix.com>):
Has Norman Lorimer Dean come back from the dead?
I already mentioned the Dean Drive. This boyAs stuff is much better than
the Dean Drive, itAs a perpetual motion machine of the second type. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
Alas, he cannot demonstrate anything. He canAt lift one kilo to an altitude >of one meter and sustain it for one minute. Hey, he canAt lift a gram to a >centimeter for 1 second. He has, according to his own stuff, been working at >this since 1998, possibly earlier, with no results. Apparenntly he uses >magnets in some fashion; I am reminded of the Magnetic Space Coupe in 1960s >Dick Tracy comic strips.
https://dicktracy.fandom.com/wiki/Space_Coupe
Gotta love it.
On Aug 18, 2025, James Nicoll wrote
(in article <107ve2g$1qs$1@reader1.panix.com>):
Has Norman Lorimer Dean come back from the dead?
I already mentioned the Dean Drive. This boyrCOs stuff is much better than the Dean Drive, itrCOs a perpetual motion machine of the second type. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
Alas, he cannot demonstrate anything. He canrCOt lift one kilo to an altitude
of one meter and sustain it for one minute. Hey, he canrCOt lift a gram to a centimeter for 1 second. He has, according to his own stuff, been working at this since 1998, possibly earlier, with no results. Apparenntly he uses magnets in some fashion; I am reminded of the Magnetic Space Coupe in 1960s Dick Tracy comic strips.
https://dicktracy.fandom.com/wiki/Space_Coupe
Gotta love it.
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 14:48:13 -0400, WolfFan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Aug 18, 2025, James Nicoll wrote
(in article <107ve2g$1qs$1@reader1.panix.com>):
Has Norman Lorimer Dean come back from the dead?
I already mentioned the Dean Drive. This boyrCOs stuff is much better than the Dean Drive, itrCOs a perpetual motion machine of the second type. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
Alas, he cannot demonstrate anything. He canrCOt lift one kilo to an altitude
of one meter and sustain it for one minute. Hey, he canrCOt lift a gram to a
centimeter for 1 second. He has, according to his own stuff, been working at
this since 1998, possibly earlier, with no results. Apparenntly he uses magnets in some fashion; I am reminded of the Magnetic Space Coupe in 1960s Dick Tracy comic strips.
https://dicktracy.fandom.com/wiki/Space_Coupe
Gotta love it.
You're crazy. Your understanding of physics and electrodynamics is so
poor that you've gone so far as to compare our electromagnetic space
drive to a perpetual motion machine.
We've been working on this electromagnetic space drive since 1998,
yes, and although our goal is liftoff, we've already achieved results,
namely 184 grams of thrust, which far surpasses the ion propulsion
used in long-range space missions.
Our electromagnetic space drive uses electricity, at 432 MHz, and
dipoles to generate thrust. Therefore, it's not a perpetual motion
machine because it requires energy input to function.
For your information, perpetual motion machines don't exist, while our electromagnetic space drive is a concrete reality, patented, and
continuously improved.
WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> posted:
On Aug 18, 2025, James Nicoll wrote
(in article <107ve2g$1qs$1@reader1.panix.com>):
Has Norman Lorimer Dean come back from the dead?
I already mentioned the Dean Drive. This boyrCOs stuff is much better than the Dean Drive, itrCOs a perpetual motion machine of the second type. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
Alas, he cannot demonstrate anything. He canrCOt lift one kilo to an altitude
of one meter and sustain it for one minute. Hey, he canrCOt lift a gram to a
centimeter for 1 second. He has, according to his own stuff, been working at
this since 1998, possibly earlier, with no results. Apparenntly he uses magnets in some fashion; I am reminded of the Magnetic Space Coupe in 1960s Dick Tracy comic strips.
https://dicktracy.fandom.com/wiki/Space_Coupe
Gotta love it.
We sell the PNN prototype F432BA . An alternative to the failing missile technology that has not been able to colonize either the Moon or Mars for over half a century (Apollo 11). Info in:
https://propulsion-revolution.com
Patent:
WO2022264177 - ELECTROMAGNETIC PROPULSION SYSTEM FOR SPACECRAFT MOVEMENT WITHOUT THE EMISSION OF REACTION MASS https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2022264177
We need to build spacecraft that do not lose pieces like these.
Outgoing http://www.asps.it/artemisnov22.jpg
Return http://www.asps.it/artemisback.jpg
The round trip with missile propulsion has been a failure for this since the time of Apollo 11; we have not been able to colonize either the Moon or Mars. Violating the principle of action and reaction through electrodynamics, Non-Newtonian Propulsion (PNN) https://propulsion-revolution.com
allows for the construction of spacecraft that do not lose pieces.
On Aug 19, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<ja48akp19ic3s9t7fmrjedbegbsi5ea1mj@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 14:48:13 -0400, WolfFan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Aug 18, 2025, James Nicoll wrote
(in article <107ve2g$1qs$1@reader1.panix.com>):
Has Norman Lorimer Dean come back from the dead?
I already mentioned the Dean Drive. This boyAs stuff is much better than >> > the Dean Drive, itAs a perpetual motion machine of the second type.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
Alas, he cannot demonstrate anything. He canAt lift one kilo to an
altitude
of one meter and sustain it for one minute. Hey, he canAt lift a gram to a >> > centimeter for 1 second. He has, according to his own stuff, been working at
this since 1998, possibly earlier, with no results. Apparenntly he uses
magnets in some fashion; I am reminded of the Magnetic Space Coupe in 1960s
Dick Tracy comic strips.
https://dicktracy.fandom.com/wiki/Space_Coupe
Gotta love it.
You're crazy. Your understanding of physics and electrodynamics is so
poor that you've gone so far as to compare our electromagnetic space
drive to a perpetual motion machine.
We've been working on this electromagnetic space drive since 1998,
yes, and although our goal is liftoff, we've already achieved results,
namely 184 grams of thrust, which far surpasses the ion propulsion
used in long-range space missions.
Our electromagnetic space drive uses electricity, at 432 MHz, and
dipoles to generate thrust. Therefore, it's not a perpetual motion
machine because it requires energy input to function.
For your information, perpetual motion machines don't exist, while our
electromagnetic space drive is a concrete reality, patented, and
continuously improved.
And you still canAt lift one kilo one meter for one minute.
On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 08:39:37 -0400, WolfFan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Aug 19, 2025, Von Ottone wrote
(in article<ja48akp19ic3s9t7fmrjedbegbsi5ea1mj@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 14:48:13 -0400, WolfFan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Aug 18, 2025, James Nicoll wrote
(in article <107ve2g$1qs$1@reader1.panix.com>):
Has Norman Lorimer Dean come back from the dead?
I already mentioned the Dean Drive. This boyrCOs stuff is much better than
the Dean Drive, itrCOs a perpetual motion machine of the second type. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
Alas, he cannot demonstrate anything. He canrCOt lift one kilo to an altitude
of one meter and sustain it for one minute. Hey, he canrCOt lift a gram to a
centimeter for 1 second. He has, according to his own stuff, been working
at
this since 1998, possibly earlier, with no results. Apparenntly he uses magnets in some fashion; I am reminded of the Magnetic Space Coupe in 1960s
Dick Tracy comic strips.
https://dicktracy.fandom.com/wiki/Space_Coupe
Gotta love it.
You're crazy. Your understanding of physics and electrodynamics is so poor that you've gone so far as to compare our electromagnetic space drive to a perpetual motion machine.
We've been working on this electromagnetic space drive since 1998,
yes, and although our goal is liftoff, we've already achieved results, namely 184 grams of thrust, which far surpasses the ion propulsion
used in long-range space missions.
Our electromagnetic space drive uses electricity, at 432 MHz, and
dipoles to generate thrust. Therefore, it's not a perpetual motion machine because it requires energy input to function.
For your information, perpetual motion machines don't exist, while our electromagnetic space drive is a concrete reality, patented, and continuously improved.
And you still canrCOt lift one kilo one meter for one minute.
Geeeeee, what a troll !
How old are you? 5?
