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QUOTE:
Allan CP on The Science Dilemma has some great questions for
mathematician and philosopher William Dembski including about
often-heard objections to intelligent design. The rCLGod of the gapsrCY and rCLcreationism in a cheap tuxedorCY criticisms would top that list. Dembski addresses them.

What, as Dr. Dembski says, is rCLthe key pointrCY to grasp about the ID debate? It is that ID versus Darwinian evolution isnrCOt a struggle of religion against science but of rCLscience versus science.rCY In other
words, you have rival scientific understandings of the evidence of
nature, locked in serious disagreement with serious cultural
consequences rCo but at bottom itrCOs a scientific disagreement.
END QUOTE:

If it was true that the ID scam is science the bait and switch would not
have been necessary for over 23 years. ID would have been taught in
public schools decades ago. All the ID scam is at this time is god-of-the-gaps creationist denial. The Top Six god-of-the-gaps ID scam stupidity are the same gap arguments that the Scientific creationists
used to use except instead of the Biblical god filling the gaps some intelligent designer is filling the gaps, and the ID perps all admit
that their designer is the Biblical god.

What is really sad is that none of Dembski's junk qualified to be among
the Top Six. Dembski had quit the ID scam as an abject IDiotic failure several years before the ID perps decided to shoot themselves in the
head by putting out the Top Six in the order in which they must have
occurred in this universe. The ID perps only took Dembski back and
started to pay him off because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
He hasn't done any ID science since returning to the ID scam. When he retired from the ID scam he claimed that he was going to go into
education, but couldn't get an honest job, so he had to return to
running the bait and switch scam on hapless creationist rubes. The ID
perps had to run the bait and switch on the West Virginia creationist
rubes in 2024 after Dembski returned to the ID scam (2021), so nothing
changed about having any ID science. All the ID perps are doing at this
time is to continue to put out the ID scam junk as bait. That is all ID
has been since they started running the bait and switch scam in 2002.

This is how sad the ID scam has become. All they ever had to support
their creationist Wedge strategy is the obfuscation and denial switch
scam that the ID perps tell the creationist rubes has nothing to do with
their ID science.

Really, if ID were really science the ID perps would have never started running a bait and switch scam on their own creationist support base.
Not a single creationist rube has ever gotten any ID science from the ID perps. Lying to college students is tragically lame. Nearly all the
college creationist IDEA clubs died after the bait and switch went down.
Apparently, none of them wanted to discuss the switch scam junk just
like nearly all the creationist rubes drop the issue instead of bending
over for the switch scam when they don't get any ID science to teach.

Ron Okimoto

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On 8/14/2025 8:49 AM, RonO wrote:

https://evolutionnews.org/2025/08/dembski-to-college-students-if-you- lay-back-and-bare-your-throat-theyll-cut-it-for-you/

QUOTE:
Allan CP on The Science Dilemma has some great questions for
mathematician and philosopher William Dembski including about often-
heard objections to intelligent design. The rCLGod of the gapsrCY and rCLcreationism in a cheap tuxedorCY criticisms would top that list. Dembski addresses them.

What, as Dr. Dembski says, is rCLthe key pointrCY to grasp about the ID debate? It is that ID versus Darwinian evolution isnrCOt a struggle of religion against science but of rCLscience versus science.rCY In other words, you have rival scientific understandings of the evidence of
nature, locked in serious disagreement with serious cultural
consequences rCo but at bottom itrCOs a scientific disagreement.
END QUOTE:

If it was true that the ID scam is science the bait and switch would not have been necessary for over 23 years.-a ID would have been taught in
public schools decades ago.-a All the ID scam is at this time is god-of- the-gaps creationist denial.-a The Top Six god-of-the-gaps ID scam
stupidity are the same gap arguments that the Scientific creationists
used to use except instead of the Biblical god filling the gaps some intelligent designer is filling the gaps, and the ID perps all admit
that their designer is the Biblical god.

What is really sad is that none of Dembski's junk qualified to be among
the Top Six.-a Dembski had quit the ID scam as an abject IDiotic failure several years before the ID perps decided to shoot themselves in the
head by putting out the Top Six in the order in which they must have occurred in this universe.-a The ID perps only took Dembski back and
started to pay him off because he knows where all the bodies are buried.
-aHe hasn't done any ID science since returning to the ID scam.-a When he retired from the ID scam he claimed that he was going to go into
education, but couldn't get an honest job, so he had to return to
running the bait and switch scam on hapless creationist rubes.-a The ID perps had to run the bait and switch on the West Virginia creationist
rubes in 2024 after Dembski returned to the ID scam (2021), so nothing changed about having any ID science.-a All the ID perps are doing at this time is to continue to put out the ID scam junk as bait.-a That is all ID has been since they started running the bait and switch scam in 2002.

This is how sad the ID scam has become.-a All they ever had to support
their creationist Wedge strategy is the obfuscation and denial switch
scam that the ID perps tell the creationist rubes has nothing to do with their ID science.

Really, if ID were really science the ID perps would have never started running a bait and switch scam on their own creationist support base.
Not a single creationist rube has ever gotten any ID science from the ID perps.-a Lying to college students is tragically lame.-a Nearly all the college creationist IDEA clubs died after the bait and switch went down.
-aApparently, none of them wanted to discuss the switch scam junk just
like nearly all the creationist rubes drop the issue instead of bending
over for the switch scam when they don't get any ID science to teach.

Ron Okimoto

QUOTE:
Dembski to College Students: rCLIf You Lay Back and Bare Your Throat, TheyrCOll Cut It for YourCY
END QUOTE:

If those college students ever become less ignorant and informed about
the ID creationists scam, they would know that Dembski is actually
telling them that if the bend over the ID perps will give them the
obfuscation and denial switch scam, just where they never wanted it.

Ron Okimoto

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