• Why aren't extant lifeforms like AI edited images?

    From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Aug 2 13:06:16 2025
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    https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Style/controversy-stirs-ai-generated-models-new-guess-ads/story?id=124271323

    The fashion magazine Vogue is taking flack for publishing an ad using an
    AI edited image. The fashion model in the ad doesn't really exist, but
    AI editing likely means that there was a fashion model or models used to produce the original digital image or images, and that AI likely
    manipulated that to produce the final image.

    AI essentially manipulates the existing pixels (digital position and
    content) to modify the image. It takes the basic form and then changes
    the 2D image. In order to do this it has to change the information of
    each pixel involved.

    Variant lifeforms do not evolve in this way. What the organism looks
    like is dependent on the interaction of the animals genetics with the environment, and that environment includes the interaction of cells in
    the embryos of multicellular plants and animals. Phenotype can be
    physically manipulated as AI does an image. Plastic surgery, some
    cultures have manipulated the shape of the skulls of their children, and
    you can do things like mess with development by placing a sliver of mica between cell layers of a frog embryo. Some of the environmental effects
    can be inherited by the next generation by the reversible modification
    of the DNA or chromatin, but since the sequence of the DNA has not been changed the inheritance is fleeting, and Lamarkism is still dead. The imprinted effects usually do not reproduce the environmentally induced pheontypes that caused the imprinted changes. The human example has
    been the Dutch starvation during WWII. Children were stunted and did
    not develop properly. The next generation was not stunted, but suffered metabolic issues and health issues. It seemed that their genes were not
    as well adapted to a decent diet.

    The DNA has to be altered in order to make lasting changes to the
    phenotype of the organism. Any change has to work within the system
    that is already working. After any change is made the environment gets
    a say in whether or not the changes are acceptable. If the change is deleterious to the survival of the organism in the environment that it
    exists in it gets selected against. If the change doesn't change the organisms ability to survive in the existing environment very much it
    can drift in the population. If the change has some advantage it can be selected for and may quickly take over the interbreeding population of organisms. Life has not evolved the way that AI images are created.
    That is the issue that the ID creationist scam has faced since day one.

    ID perps like Behe have understood this from the start of the ID scam.
    Behe's IC three neutral mutations occurring in a system to produce a new function depends on how biological evolution has had to accomplish
    change for billion of years. You have an existing system, most
    mutations are neutral, some are deleterious, and a few might do
    something interesting. This is just how nature has worked for billions
    of years. Behe claims that 3 specific neutral mutations are so highly unlikely to occur within a limited period of time that they are
    basically impossible. This is unfortunately not true. If something can happen and it does happen, there is no do over, it becomes something
    that just happened. Not only that, but Behe has to accept that this is
    just the way things occur in nature because he has found examples of 2
    neutral mutations occurring within his time limit to produce a new
    function, and he knows that such things would be routine occurrences in organisms with a population of, at least, 100 million, and his examples
    have occurred in populations of trillions. Behe has never looked for
    examples in his IC systems, likely because he doesn't want to know the
    answer that he expects to get. He has never tried to verify if his IC
    systems are his type of IC. So far, intelligence hasn't been needed to
    evolve the systems that Behe knows evolved on this planet.

    Ron Okimoto

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