• de Tracy - de Sancto Claro relationships with illegitimate descendants of Henry I

    From Robert Goff@rwgoff19812@gmail.com to soc.genealogy.medieval on Tue Sep 9 08:00:06 2025
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    I'm not sure that the idea that William de Tracy of Bradninch was not an illegitimate descendant of Henry I is foreclosed.

    Please note the succession of witnesses Richard son of Hildebrand de
    London, William de Sancto Claro, and William de Tracy, bastard.
    [1160-1161] Jocelinus Dei gratia Sarum episcopus omnibus ad quos
    praesens carta pervenerit tam Francis quam Anglicis salutem Sciat tam
    praesens aetas quam futura posteritas quod ex praecepto domini nostri
    regis Henrici vocavimus ante nos Willelmum de Perci qui haereditatem
    suam de Cerdestok vendicabat et Gilbertum de Perci qui eandem detinebat Auditis vero hinc inde allegationibus super inculpatione Willelmi et responsione Gilberti itum est ad judicium et mediante justitia dictante judicio Willelmus terram suam disrationavit et de terra illa saisitus
    fuit et inde per judicium curiae nostrae hominium ejus accepimus Haec
    autem facta sunt in praesentia nostra apud Sarum audientibus et
    videntibus his Roberto Sarum decano Jordano thesaurario Adelelmo Rogero
    de Rammesbyre Roberto de Berchscyre Henrico archidiaconis Willelmo sub
    decano Osberto de Inglesham Fulcone Roberto de Sancto Pancratio Ricardo
    vice comite Wiltescyr canonicis Dunecano Willelmo de Cyrecestre
    capellanis comite Patricio Roberto de Dromar magistro Ricardo de
    Glocestra Ebrardo de la Herst et Rogero filio suo Philippo pincerna
    Roberto de Wamberga Willelmo de S Martino Willelmo de Cotes Gilberto de Sunningh Petro de Poterne Johanne de Melepleis Waltero de Weseford
    Roberto filio Acelini Ebrardo de Canna Roberto de Girisi Willelmo de
    Perci Ranulfo de Wilmentona Waltero Talevaz Ricardo filio Heldebrandi
    [de Londonis/Londres] Willelmo de S[ancto] Claro Willelmo de Traci
    Bastarde Rogero de Candel Edwardo Infante Regis Peverello de Lilintona
    Ricardo de Chirchetona Rogero de Folia qui praedictum judicium reddidit
    in praesentia nostra et aliorum praedictorum nemine illud contradicente Praeterea Radulfo filio Saverici Thoma de Ardene Manascero Aguillun
    Willelmo de Dunstanvilla Willelmo de Chelveton Huberto filio Anchetilli Gilberto de Ardene Seldewino Geffrido le Brun
    Charters and Documents Illustrating the History of the Cathedral, City,
    and Diocese of Salisbury in the Twelfth and Thirteenth Centuries
    (London: Her MajestyrCOs Stationary Office, 1891), p. 20.

    1182-1183 Pipe Roll (29 Henry II), p. 116:
    Willelmus Bastard' de Traci redd. comp. de .v. m. pro defalta.
    In thesauro .xvj. s. et .viij. d. Et debet .1. s.

    In 1170-1175, Reginald, Earl of Cornwall, son of King Henry [I] conceded
    and gave to ReginaldrCOs sister, Rohese de Pomeroy, the manor of Ridri [Roseworthy in Gwinear, Cornwall as her marriage portion to take with
    her into her marriage with Henry Pomerory of Berry Pomeroy], witnessed
    by Bartholomew Bishop of Exeter, Roger Biaop of Worcester, Herbert son
    of Herbert, William fratre meo [brother of Earl Reginald], William de Boterell, senior, Richard de Radd[on], Hugh de Dunstanvilla, William de
    Sancto Claro, William PictavrCO, Hugh de Valtord, Henry Malo Nepote,
    Robert de ComrCO, Baldwin and Richard nepotibus meis [Redvers], William de Boterell, Ralph de Ferrers, William de Widiell, and others. Robert
    Bearman, Charters of the Redvers Family and the Earldom of Devon
    (Exeter: Devon and Cornwall Record Society, 1994), p. 187-188.

    Circa 1155-1162, Robert son of William gave the land of North Tregeare
    with the homage of Alwin the forester and his progeny and the mill and
    multure of the manor of Downinney (Dounheny) to Launceston Priory for
    the soul of RobertrCOs sister, Countess Mabile. The witnesses included
    Earl Reginald, Earl Richard de Ridvers, Roger de Valletorta, William de Botrell, Walter, Abbot of Tavistock, and William de Sancto Claro. PL.
    Hull, ed., The Cartulary of Launceston Priory (Torquay: Devon and
    Cornwall Record Society, 1987), p. 95.

    Accompanying William de TracyrCOs charter to Doccombe in the cartulary of Christ Church, Canterbury is a letter from Anselm Crassus, Treasurer of Exeter to John son of Geoffrey [de Mandeville, Earl of Essex] regarding
    the gift to Canterbury of the land of William Thaun by Amice de la More,
    wife first of William Thaun and second of Everard Cole, made to the
    Treasurer on behalf of Canterbury at Moreth [Morthoe, Devon]. William
    Thaun, before his departure to the Holy Land with his lord, William de
    Tracy, made his wife, Amice de la More, swear to give to Thomas, Martyr,
    and Canterbury, all his lands given to him by his lord, William de
    Tracy. William de Thaun died on his journey and Amice married Everard
    Cole who prevented the gift of the lands. However, she survived him and
    made the gift to the Treasurer of Exeter to deliver to Canterbury.
    Arthur P. Stanley, Historical Memorials of Canterbury, Second Edition
    (London: John Murray, 1855), p. 84, 225-226.

    Around 1114-1129, William de Sancto Claro, with the consent of his
    brother, Hamon de Sancto Claro, gave a sixth part of Taun [Thaon] to the
    Abbey of Savigny, with the consent of Stephen, Count of Mortain (later
    King Stephen) and Richard, Bishop of Bayeux. Loyd, Origins, p. 88-89;
    Round, Documents in France, p. 290, 299.

    In 1194, Wicheford, Warwickshire, which had belonged to Jocelin de
    Pom[er]ia was escheat. 1194 Pipe Roll, p. 5; Thomas Duffus Hardy, Rotuli Normanniae in Turri Londinensi Asservati Johanne et Henrico Quinto
    Angliae Regibus, vol. 1 (Record Commission, 1835), p. 138. In 1194-1195, Joscelin de Pomeria was preparing to enter a religious order and granted
    the vill of Tale to Forde Abbey to hold as he held it of his lord and
    brother, Henry de Pomerei or Pomeria, witnessed by (among others)
    William de Tracy brother of Hugh de CorternrCO or Curtterne and Herny son
    of William de Tracy. Forde Cartulary, p. 96; Monasticon, vol. 5, p. 382.

    In 1204, King John directed the sheriff of Warwickshire to give to
    Reginald de Mohu[n] possession of the manor of Wicheford once he gave
    security for its value. Rotuli Literarum Clausarum, vol. 1, p. 7.In
    1215, the King directed the sheriff of Warwickshire to deliver to Alice
    de Moiun, daughter of William Briwerr, the land of Walter de Esseleg in Wecheford for her maintenance. Rotuli Litterarum Clausarum, vol. 1, p. 242.

    Walter de Ashleigh whose interest in Whichford was given to Alice de Briwere/Mohun succeeded to the estates of Bretel de Sancto Claro in
    Somerset, Dorset, and Devon. In 1192, Walter de Esselega was credited
    with 6-u, 15s, 3d in a dispute with William de Sancto Claro for four knightsrCO fees in Peretta and Suille and a moiety of Esse and
    appurtenances, all the inheritance of WalterrCOs wife Felicie. Lady Doris
    Mary Parsons Stenton, ed., The Great Roll of the Pipe of the Third and
    Fourth Years of the Reign of King Richard the First Mich. 1191 and Mich.
    1192 (London: The Pipe Roll Society, 1926), 98, 290. In the 1194-1195
    and 1195-1196 pipe rolls, Ralph de Sancto Claro or Seintcler owed 40
    marks for recognition of five and one-half knightsrCO fees held by his
    father before he took the garb of religion. His pledges were Herbert son
    of [fitz] Herbert and Henry de Alneto. Stenton, Pipe Roll for the Sixth
    Year of King Richard the First, p. 190. Lady Doris Mary Stenton, The
    Great Roll of the Pipe for the Seventh Year of the Reign of King Richard
    the First Michaelmas 1195 (London: The Pipe Roll Society, 1929), p. 231.

    In 1175-1184, William de Marisco, brother of Reginald Earl of Cornwall,
    gave to Tavistock Abbey the land of Nithrebrig [Netherbridge in
    Werrington]. Reginald, son of King Henry [I], Earl of Cornwall granted
    land, including Craucumtona, to William [II] de Boterell, son of Alice
    Corbet, ReginaldrCOs mother, which he had granted to William [I] de
    Boterells in Cornwall, father of William [II] de Boterel on his
    marriage, by charter dated to 1163-1175, witnessed by ReginaldrCOs son, Nicholas, Herbert fil Herbert, ReginaldrCOs nepotes, Baldwin and Richard, Willelmo de Vernun, and ReginaldrCOs brother, William. Cartae Antiquae,
    vol. 1, p. 20; Some Tavistock Charters, HPR Fineberg, English Historical Review, vol. 62, No. 244, p. 365-366

    In 1201, a jury determined that Reginald de Marisco wrongfully deprived William de Cretur and wife Rose of possession of their house and land of Quarnedon in Cornwall. Stenton, Pleas before the King and his justices,
    vol. 2, p. 98.In 1164-1175, Reginald Earl of Cornwall confirmed to
    Launceston Priory, the land of Karneduna, a member of the manor of
    Rillaton, witnessed by Nicholas sount of the Count. English Episcopal
    Acta, vol. 33, p. 132.

    In 1201, Reginald de Marisco was in a lawsuit against John de Liston
    over land in Ricradoc. Curia Regis Rolls 3-5 John, p. 40. In 1202, after
    a duel between John de Lifton [Liston] and Reginald de Marisco (or their designated champions), Reginald recognized that -+ a knightrCOs fee in Richeradec [Rosecraddock in St. Cleer] Cornwall was of JohnrCOs
    inheritance and gave him 100s.; and John granted the land to Reginald
    and his heirs to hold of John and his heirs by service of -+ a knightrCOs
    fee. In 1212, the Priory of the Hospital of Jerusalem in England was in
    a lawsuit with Reginald de Marisco over the right to present a parson to
    the church of Sancto Claro in Cornwall. Curia Regis Rolls 11-14 John,
    p. 197, 202, 249, 302. In one record of the lawsuit, Reginald de Marisco
    was identified as Reginald de Sancto Claro. Curia Regis Rolls 11-14
    John, p. 197. Reginald de Marisco, knight, gave the church of S. Clari
    in Cornwall to the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem [the Knights Hospitaller], likely to settle the dispute. Monasticon, vol. 6, issue 2,
    p. 838.

    In 1210-1212, John de Listone held Listone, Essex by serjeantry. In
    1212, the heirs of John de Listone held Listone, Essex by serjeantry.
    Red Book, p. 457. In 1219, John son of Godfrey was in the custody of
    William, Earl Maundevill, who held Liston as custodian. Book of Fees, p.
    274.

    In 1235-1236, Geoffrey de Liston and Robert de Sancto Claro entered a
    fine for the advowson of the church of Liston, Essex, agreeing upon
    alternate presentations. Essex Fines, vol. 1, p. 114. An entry in the
    Testa de Nevill dated to 1248, recorded that the advowson of the church
    of Liston, Essex was held alternately by Godfrey de Liston and Robert de Sancto Claro. Book of Fees, p. 1410.
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