• Wither Starliner?

    From The Running Man@running_man@writeable.com to sci.space.policy on Fri Oct 25 11:17:24 2024
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    <https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>

    "I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better than doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the process of taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new CEO always does when you come into a business."

    This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Sat Oct 26 17:57:54 2024
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    On Friday, The Running Man exclaimed wildly:
    <https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>

    "I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better than
    doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the process of taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new CEO always does when you come into a business."

    This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.

    NASA has it pencilled in for 2H 2025. NASA really wants a choice. And
    Eric Berger has suggested that NASA would be willing to pay for a cargo
    flight if that's needed to prepare for manned operation.

    /dps
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  • From The Running Man@running_man@writeable.com to sci.space.policy on Sun Oct 27 09:27:25 2024
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    On 27/10/2024 02:57 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, The Running Man exclaimed wildly:
    <https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>

    "I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better than
    doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the process of
    taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new CEO always does >> when you come into a business."

    This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.

    NASA has it pencilled in for 2H 2025. NASA really wants a choice. And
    Eric Berger has suggested that NASA would be willing to pay for a cargo flight if that's needed to prepare for manned operation.


    <https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/25/24279693/boeing-considers-selling-space-business-starliner>

    What NASA wants isn't relevant. Boeing may well consider that bowing out may be
    more financially beneficial than continuing the program.
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Mon Oct 28 01:24:07 2024
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    The Running Man formulated the question :
    On 27/10/2024 02:57 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, The Running Man exclaimed wildly:
    <https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>

    "I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better >>> than doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the >>> process of taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new CEO
    always does when you come into a business."

    This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.

    NASA has it pencilled in for 2H 2025. NASA really wants a choice. And
    Eric Berger has suggested that NASA would be willing to pay for a cargo
    flight if that's needed to prepare for manned operation.


    <https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/25/24279693/boeing-considers-selling-space-business-starliner>

    What NASA wants isn't relevant. Boeing may well consider that bowing out may be more financially beneficial than continuing the program.

    Starliner may well be a drop in the bucket compared to the hemorraging
    in the airliner business, and bowing out may result in losing a
    customer on other projects as well.

    /dps
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  • From The Running Man@running_man@writeable.com to sci.space.policy on Mon Oct 28 11:35:37 2024
    From Newsgroup: sci.space.policy

    On 28/10/2024 09:24 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Running Man formulated the question :
    On 27/10/2024 02:57 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, The Running Man exclaimed wildly:
    <https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>

    "I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better >>>> than doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the >>>> process of taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new CEO
    always does when you come into a business."

    This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.

    NASA has it pencilled in for 2H 2025. NASA really wants a choice. And >>> Eric Berger has suggested that NASA would be willing to pay for a cargo >>> flight if that's needed to prepare for manned operation.


    <https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/25/24279693/boeing-considers-selling-space-business-starliner>

    What NASA wants isn't relevant. Boeing may well consider that bowing out may
    be more financially beneficial than continuing the program.

    Starliner may well be a drop in the bucket compared to the hemorraging
    in the airliner business, and bowing out may result in losing a
    customer on other projects as well.


    Even if they received money for a cargo mission it wouldn't compensate
    the enormous amounts of money it costs to continue the Starliner program.

    Therefore Boeing execs may well find it advantageous to eject the space business (except SLS, which is a Cost Plus Program where they make
    ridiculous amounts of profit).
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Mon Oct 28 16:59:21 2024
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    Snidely suggested that ...
    The Running Man formulated the question :
    On 27/10/2024 02:57 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, The Running Man exclaimed wildly:
    <https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>

    "I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better >>>> than doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the >>>> process of taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new >>>> CEO always does when you come into a business."

    This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.

    NASA has it pencilled in for 2H 2025. NASA really wants a choice. And >>> Eric Berger has suggested that NASA would be willing to pay for a cargo >>> flight if that's needed to prepare for manned operation.


    <https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/25/24279693/boeing-considers-selling-space-business-starliner>

    What NASA wants isn't relevant. Boeing may well consider that bowing out
    may be more financially beneficial than continuing the program.

    Starliner may well be a drop in the bucket compared to the hemorraging in the
    airliner business, and bowing out may result in losing a customer on other projects as well.


    On the other hand, there seems to have been a WSJ article claiming
    Boeing is trying to sell off Starliner and ISS operations.

    /dps
    --
    "ThatrCOs where I end with this kind of conversation: Language is
    crucial, and yet not the answer."
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    Stanford.,2020
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Mon Oct 28 17:08:15 2024
    From Newsgroup: sci.space.policy

    The Running Man scribbled something on Monday the 10/28/2024:
    On 28/10/2024 09:24 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Running Man formulated the question :
    On 27/10/2024 02:57 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, The Running Man exclaimed wildly:
    <https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>

    "I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better >>>>> than doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the >>>>> process of taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new >>>>> CEO always does when you come into a business."

    This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.

    NASA has it pencilled in for 2H 2025. NASA really wants a choice. And >>>> Eric Berger has suggested that NASA would be willing to pay for a cargo >>>> flight if that's needed to prepare for manned operation.


    <https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/25/24279693/boeing-considers-selling-space-business-starliner>

    What NASA wants isn't relevant. Boeing may well consider that bowing out >>> may be more financially beneficial than continuing the program.

    Starliner may well be a drop in the bucket compared to the hemorraging
    in the airliner business, and bowing out may result in losing a
    customer on other projects as well.


    Even if they received money for a cargo mission it wouldn't compensate
    the enormous amounts of money it costs to continue the Starliner program.

    Therefore Boeing execs may well find it advantageous to eject the space business (except SLS, which is a Cost Plus Program where they make
    ridiculous amounts of profit).

    The last is sadly true.

    It should have been a cost plus with bonuses for milestones by date X.
    The Mobile Launcher 2 contract also needed that, and how did such a
    large engineering company get that so wrong?

    /dps
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