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https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/faa-approves-starship-ift-5-test- flight-tomorrow/
SpaceX is supposed to launch tomorrow morning at 7 AM Central Time. But there is a catch. Or at least we hope the "chopsticks" will work and
there will be one.
On 2024-10-12 8:34 p.m., Alain Fournier wrote:
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/faa-approves-starship-ift-5-test-
flight-tomorrow/
SpaceX is supposed to launch tomorrow morning at 7 AM Central Time.
But there is a catch. Or at least we hope the "chopsticks" will work
and there will be one.
Wow, what a catch that was!
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/faa-approves-starship-ift-5-test-flight-tomorrow/
SpaceX is supposed to launch tomorrow morning at 7 AM Central Time. But there is a catch. Or at least we hope the "chopsticks" will work and
there will be one.
Alain Fournier
.
On 13/10/2024 02:34 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/faa-approves-starship-ift-5-test-flight-tomorrow/
SpaceX is supposed to launch tomorrow morning at 7 AM Central Time. But
there is a catch. Or at least we hope the "chopsticks" will work and
there will be one.
Alain Fournier
They reached some more milestones but they still aren't there yet.
The landing didn't seem to go entirely to plan and there was still some burn-through on the flap hinges.
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things up once they've had a successful flight.
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
On 13/10/2024 02:34 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/faa-approves-starship-ift-5-test-flight-tomorrow/
SpaceX is supposed to launch tomorrow morning at 7 AM Central Time. But
there is a catch. Or at least we hope the "chopsticks" will work and
there will be one.
Alain Fournier
They reached some more milestones but they still aren't there yet.
The landing didn't seem to go entirely to plan and there was still some
burn-through on the flap hinges.
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things up once >> they've had a successful flight.
I agree. But on the other hand, if this was an ordinary launch company both stages would have been burnt up and completely destroyed and they would have called it a success. So yes, they still have a lot of testing to do, but I think that testing will soon be done while launching satellites. It's easier to pay for a testing program when the money comes from customers.
Alain Fournier
Alain Fournier explained :
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
On 13/10/2024 02:34 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/faa-approves-starship-ift-5-test-flight-tomorrow/
SpaceX is supposed to launch tomorrow morning at 7 AM Central Time. But >>>> there is a catch. Or at least we hope the "chopsticks" will work and
there will be one.
Alain Fournier
They reached some more milestones but they still aren't there yet.
The landing didn't seem to go entirely to plan and there was still some
burn-through on the flap hinges.
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things up once >>> they've had a successful flight.
I don't think that's needed. SpaceX is showing signs of being eager to meet the NASA milestones, which is part of why this launch had a catch and there was a lot of noise about the FAA holdup.
I agree. But on the other hand, if this was an ordinary launch company both >> stages would have been burnt up and completely destroyed and they would
have called it a success. So yes, they still have a lot of testing to do, >> but I think that testing will soon be done while launching satellites. It's >> easier to pay for a testing program when the money comes from customers.
Alain Fournier
The launch priority is fuel transfer.
Alain Fournier in between]
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things up once >>> they've had a successful flight.
I don't think that's needed. SpaceX is showing signs of being eager to meet the NASA milestones, which is part of why this launch had a catch and there was a lot of noise about the FAA holdup.
Snidely suggested that ...
Alain Fournier in between]
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things
up once
they've had a successful flight.
I don't think that's needed.-a SpaceX is showing signs of being eager
to meet the NASA milestones, which is part of why this launch had a
catch and there was a lot of noise about the FAA holdup.
Flight 6 has a launch license; same end points, additional objectives allowed.-a Do you think it will fly in December or January?
On 2024-10-15 4:28 p.m., Snidely wrote:
Snidely suggested that ...
Alain Fournier in between]
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things up >>>>> once
they've had a successful flight.
I don't think that's needed.a SpaceX is showing signs of being eager to >>> meet the NASA milestones, which is part of why this launch had a catch and >>> there was a lot of noise about the FAA holdup.
Flight 6 has a launch license; same end points, additional objectives
allowed.a Do you think it will fly in December or January?
The analysis of IFT-5 will probably call for modifications to Starship for IFT-6. It is hard to tell how much time those modifications will take. SpaceX
seems to have made modifications after IFT-4 quite fast, so we know they can do it fast. But it's still hard to know how long it will take to do modifications without knowing what those modifications are. Nonetheless, I think December or January is a plausible timeline.
Alain Fournier
On Tuesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier asked ...
On 2024-10-15 4:28 p.m., Snidely wrote:
Snidely suggested that ...
Alain Fournier in between]
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things >>>>>> up once
they've had a successful flight.
I don't think that's needed.-a SpaceX is showing signs of being eager >>>> to meet the NASA milestones, which is part of why this launch had a
catch and there was a lot of noise about the FAA holdup.
Flight 6 has a launch license; same end points, additional objectives
allowed.-a Do you think it will fly in December or January?
The analysis of IFT-5 will probably call for modifications to Starship
for IFT-6. It is hard to tell how much time those modifications will
take. SpaceX seems to have made modifications after IFT-4 quite fast,
so we know they can do it fast. But it's still hard to know how long
it will take to do modifications without knowing what those
modifications are. Nonetheless, I think December or January is a
plausible timeline.
Alain Fournier
I agree.-a I suspect that most of the changes will happen in connection
with the outer ring of RVac bells.-a Will this be a shielding change, additional CO2, or a procedural change?-a Will an entry burn happen after all?-a TBD, but it will probably be a quick change.-a We'll be well into
V2 of the ship before V2 boosters roll out;-a V1 boosters might get re- used, but it needn't be rapid yet ... and swapping engines might mean a
mere couple weeks before 2nd liftoff.
On 2024-10-15 4:28 p.m., Snidely wrote:
Snidely suggested that ...
Alain Fournier in between]
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things
up once
they've had a successful flight.
I don't think that's needed.-a SpaceX is showing signs of being eager
to meet the NASA milestones, which is part of why this launch had a
catch and there was a lot of noise about the FAA holdup.
Flight 6 has a launch license; same end points, additional objectives
allowed.-a Do you think it will fly in December or January?
The analysis of IFT-5 will probably call for modifications to Starship
for IFT-6. It is hard to tell how much time those modifications will
take. SpaceX seems to have made modifications after IFT-4 quite fast, so
we know they can do it fast. But it's still hard to know how long it
will take to do modifications without knowing what those modifications
are. Nonetheless, I think December or January is a plausible timeline.
Alain Fournier
.
On 2024-10-16 8:35 p.m., Snidely wrote:
On Tuesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier asked ...
On 2024-10-15 4:28 p.m., Snidely wrote:
Snidely suggested that ...
Alain Fournier in between]
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things up >>>>>>> once
they've had a successful flight.
I don't think that's needed.a SpaceX is showing signs of being eager to >>>>> meet the NASA milestones, which is part of why this launch had a catch >>>>> and there was a lot of noise about the FAA holdup.
Flight 6 has a launch license; same end points, additional objectives >>>> allowed.a Do you think it will fly in December or January?
The analysis of IFT-5 will probably call for modifications to Starship for >>> IFT-6. It is hard to tell how much time those modifications will take.
SpaceX seems to have made modifications after IFT-4 quite fast, so we know >>> they can do it fast. But it's still hard to know how long it will take to >>> do modifications without knowing what those modifications are.
Nonetheless, I think December or January is a plausible timeline.
Alain Fournier
I agree.a I suspect that most of the changes will happen in connection with >> the outer ring of RVac bells.a Will this be a shielding change, additional >> CO2, or a procedural change?a Will an entry burn happen after all?a TBD,
but it will probably be a quick change.a We'll be well into V2 of the ship >> before V2 boosters roll out;a V1 boosters might get re- used, but it
needn't be rapid yet ... and swapping engines might mean a mere couple
weeks before 2nd liftoff.
I am not sure, but I think that there was still some burn through in the Ships thermal protection system. Not nearly as bad as for IFT-4 for sure. But
I think there were some problems. That is the modification I would be most worried about.
Alain Fournier
On 16/10/2024 02:08 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On 2024-10-15 4:28 p.m., Snidely wrote:
Snidely suggested that ...
Alain Fournier in between]
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things >>>>>> up once
they've had a successful flight.
I don't think that's needed.a SpaceX is showing signs of being eager
to meet the NASA milestones, which is part of why this launch had a
catch and there was a lot of noise about the FAA holdup.
Flight 6 has a launch license; same end points, additional objectives
allowed.a Do you think it will fly in December or January?
The analysis of IFT-5 will probably call for modifications to Starship
for IFT-6. It is hard to tell how much time those modifications will
take. SpaceX seems to have made modifications after IFT-4 quite fast, so
we know they can do it fast. But it's still hard to know how long it
will take to do modifications without knowing what those modifications
are. Nonetheless, I think December or January is a plausible timeline.
Alain Fournier
.
<https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-upper-stage-chopstick-catch-elon-musk>
Elon now claims they will catch the Starship with the chopsticks too!! This wasn't in any of their original plans, was it?
Remember when The Running Man bragged outrageously?-a That was Wednesday:
<https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-upper-stage-chopstick-catch-elon-musk>
Elon now claims they will catch the Starship with the chopsticks too!!
This wasn't in any of their original plans, was it?
Oh, yes, it has been around since 2020 or so.-a V1 ships are uncatchable, because they have innies rather than outies, but we haven't seen a V2
fab'd far enough to know what changes are occurring there.
On 2024-10-17 10:10, Snidely wrote:
Remember when The Running Man bragged outrageously?a That was Wednesday:
[ snip irrelevant ]
<https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-upper-stage-chopstick-catch-elon-musk>
Elon now claims they will catch the Starship with the chopsticks too!!
This wasn't in any of their original plans, was it?
Oh, yes, it has been around since 2020 or so.a V1 ships are uncatchable,
because they have innies rather than outies, but we haven't seen a V2 fab'd >> far enough to know what changes are occurring there.
Perhaps they will be innies for launch and reentry, and move to be outies for
catch and lift.
[ Glossary: "they" = lift/catch points/nubs ]
Remember when The Running Man bragged outrageously? That was
Wednesday:
On 16/10/2024 02:08 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On 2024-10-15 4:28 p.m., Snidely wrote:
Snidely suggested that ...
Alain Fournier in between]
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things >>>>>>> up once
they've had a successful flight.
I don't think that's needed.-a SpaceX is showing signs of being eager >>>>> to meet the NASA milestones, which is part of why this launch had a >>>>> catch and there was a lot of noise about the FAA holdup.
Flight 6 has a launch license; same end points, additional objectives >>>> allowed.-a Do you think it will fly in December or January?
The analysis of IFT-5 will probably call for modifications to Starship
for IFT-6. It is hard to tell how much time those modifications will
take. SpaceX seems to have made modifications after IFT-4 quite fast, so >>> we know they can do it fast. But it's still hard to know how long it
will take to do modifications without knowing what those modifications
are. Nonetheless, I think December or January is a plausible timeline.
Alain Fournier
.
<https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-upper-stage-chopstick-catch-elon-musk>
Elon now claims they will catch the Starship with the chopsticks too!! This >> wasn't in any of their original plans, was it?
Oh, yes, it has been around since 2020 or so. V1 ships are
uncatchable, because they have innies rather than outies, but we
haven't seen a V2 fab'd far enough to know what changes are occurring
there.
On 17/10/2024 09:10 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
Remember when The Running Man bragged outrageously? That was
Wednesday:
On 16/10/2024 02:08 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On 2024-10-15 4:28 p.m., Snidely wrote:
Snidely suggested that ...
Alain Fournier in between]
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things >>>>>>>> up once
they've had a successful flight.
I don't think that's needed.-a SpaceX is showing signs of being eager >>>>>> to meet the NASA milestones, which is part of why this launch had a >>>>>> catch and there was a lot of noise about the FAA holdup.
Flight 6 has a launch license; same end points, additional objectives >>>>> allowed.-a Do you think it will fly in December or January?
The analysis of IFT-5 will probably call for modifications to Starship >>>> for IFT-6. It is hard to tell how much time those modifications will
take. SpaceX seems to have made modifications after IFT-4 quite fast, so >>>> we know they can do it fast. But it's still hard to know how long it
will take to do modifications without knowing what those modifications >>>> are. Nonetheless, I think December or January is a plausible timeline. >>>>
Alain Fournier
.
<https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-upper-stage-chopstick-catch-elon-musk>
Elon now claims they will catch the Starship with the chopsticks too!! This >>> wasn't in any of their original plans, was it?
Oh, yes, it has been around since 2020 or so. V1 ships are
uncatchable, because they have innies rather than outies, but we
haven't seen a V2 fab'd far enough to know what changes are occurring
there.
So how's this gonna work on Mars? Or do they have a seperate model with landing
legs in their inventory too?
On 17/10/2024 09:10 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
Remember when The Running Man bragged outrageously? That was
Wednesday:
On 16/10/2024 02:08 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On 2024-10-15 4:28 p.m., Snidely wrote:
Snidely suggested that ...
Alain Fournier in between]
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things >>>>>>>> up once
they've had a successful flight.
I don't think that's needed.a SpaceX is showing signs of being eager >>>>>> to meet the NASA milestones, which is part of why this launch had a >>>>>> catch and there was a lot of noise about the FAA holdup.
Flight 6 has a launch license; same end points, additional objectives >>>>> allowed.a Do you think it will fly in December or January?
The analysis of IFT-5 will probably call for modifications to Starship >>>> for IFT-6. It is hard to tell how much time those modifications will
take. SpaceX seems to have made modifications after IFT-4 quite fast, so >>>> we know they can do it fast. But it's still hard to know how long it
will take to do modifications without knowing what those modifications >>>> are. Nonetheless, I think December or January is a plausible timeline. >>>>
Alain Fournier
.
<https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-upper-stage-chopstick-catch-elon-musk>
Elon now claims they will catch the Starship with the chopsticks too!! This
wasn't in any of their original plans, was it?
Oh, yes, it has been around since 2020 or so. V1 ships are
uncatchable, because they have innies rather than outies, but we
haven't seen a V2 fab'd far enough to know what changes are occurring
there.
So how's this gonna work on Mars? Or do they have a seperate model with landing legs in their inventory too?
On 2024-10-15 4:28 p.m., Snidely wrote:
Snidely suggested that ...
Alain Fournier in between]
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things up >>>>> once
they've had a successful flight.
I don't think that's needed.a SpaceX is showing signs of being eager to >>> meet the NASA milestones, which is part of why this launch had a catch and >>> there was a lot of noise about the FAA holdup.
Flight 6 has a launch license; same end points, additional objectives
allowed.a Do you think it will fly in December or January?
The analysis of IFT-5 will probably call for modifications to Starship for IFT-6. It is hard to tell how much time those modifications will take. SpaceX
seems to have made modifications after IFT-4 quite fast, so we know they can do it fast. But it's still hard to know how long it will take to do modifications without knowing what those modifications are. Nonetheless, I think December or January is a plausible timeline.
Alain Fournier
Alain Fournier is guilty of <ven05l$1takn$1@dont-email.me> as of 10/15/2024 5:08:20 PM
On 2024-10-15 4:28 p.m., Snidely wrote:
Snidely suggested that ...
Alain Fournier in between]
On 2024-10-13 11:42 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
Again: I predict NASA will verbally reprimand them to speed things up >>>>>> once
they've had a successful flight.
I don't think that's needed.a SpaceX is showing signs of being eager to >>>> meet the NASA milestones, which is part of why this launch had a catch >>>> and there was a lot of noise about the FAA holdup.
Flight 6 has a launch license; same end points, additional objectives
allowed.a Do you think it will fly in December or January?
The analysis of IFT-5 will probably call for modifications to Starship for >> IFT-6. It is hard to tell how much time those modifications will take.
SpaceX seems to have made modifications after IFT-4 quite fast, so we know >> they can do it fast. But it's still hard to know how long it will take to >> do modifications without knowing what those modifications are. Nonetheless, >> I think December or January is a plausible timeline.
Alain Fournier
Booster 13 has not only been rolled to the OLM, it has been placed on the OLM
... 9 days after the last launch. It has now been cryo-tested.