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    From Alain Fournier@alain245@videotron.ca to sci.space.policy on Fri Sep 6 11:35:10 2024
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    Starliner should be coming home today and tomorrow. I am wondering
    whether Boeing will call this a success or not.


    Alain Fournier
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Fri Sep 6 12:43:09 2024
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    Remember Friday, when Alain Fournier asked plaintively:
    Starliner should be coming home today and tomorrow. I am wondering whether Boeing will call this a success or not.


    Alain Fournier

    We'll have to see what happens? It's a bit early to decide, although
    getting crew /to/ the ISS is a major part of the mission, and a
    milestone passed.

    I expect that Starliner's next flight will be a cargo mission, and NET January; July 2025 might be more likely.

    /dps
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    to 'be happy.'"
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  • From The Running Man@running_man@writeable.com to sci.space.policy on Fri Sep 6 20:42:27 2024
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    On 06/09/2024 17:35 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
    Starliner should be coming home today and tomorrow. I am wondering
    whether Boeing will call this a success or not.


    Both Boeing and NASA are at fault here. The same thruster problems manifested themselves on both previous flights. Boeing said they would solve them
    by making "software adjustments." NASA should've kept more oversight on
    how the changes were tested and implemented.

    If Starliner gets home without a hitch Boeing will argue that the safety
    scare was unnecessary and that the next flight should be a regular
    Commercial Crew flight for which they expect to be paid. Or they'll
    demand NASA reimburse them for another CFT.
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  • From The Running Man@running_man@writeable.com to sci.space.policy on Fri Sep 6 20:43:46 2024
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    On 06/09/2024 21:43 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
    Remember Friday, when Alain Fournier asked plaintively:
    Starliner should be coming home today and tomorrow. I am wondering whether >> Boeing will call this a success or not.


    Alain Fournier

    We'll have to see what happens? It's a bit early to decide, although getting crew /to/ the ISS is a major part of the mission, and a
    milestone passed.

    I expect that Starliner's next flight will be a cargo mission, and NET January; July 2025 might be more likely.


    A CARGO mission?! I don't think Boeing will agree to that.
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Fri Sep 6 15:23:55 2024
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    On Friday or thereabouts, The Running Man declared ...
    On 06/09/2024 21:43 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
    Remember Friday, when Alain Fournier asked plaintively:
    Starliner should be coming home today and tomorrow. I am wondering whether >>> Boeing will call this a success or not.


    Alain Fournier

    We'll have to see what happens? It's a bit early to decide, although
    getting crew /to/ the ISS is a major part of the mission, and a
    milestone passed.

    I expect that Starliner's next flight will be a cargo mission, and NET
    January; July 2025 might be more likely.


    A CARGO mission?! I don't think Boeing will agree to that.

    If NASA pays for it? See Eric Berger's comments.


    /dps
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    Trust, but verify.
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Fri Sep 6 15:24:42 2024
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    Snidely formulated the question :
    Remember Friday, when Alain Fournier asked plaintively:
    Starliner should be coming home today and tomorrow. I am wondering whether >> Boeing will call this a success or not.


    Alain Fournier

    We'll have to see what happens? It's a bit early to decide, although getting
    crew /to/ the ISS is a major part of the mission, and a milestone passed.

    Exited Approach Ellipsoid.

    -d
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Fri Sep 6 15:46:20 2024
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    Watch this space, where The Running Man advised that...
    On 06/09/2024 17:35 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
    Starliner should be coming home today and tomorrow. I am wondering
    whether Boeing will call this a success or not.


    Both Boeing and NASA are at fault here. The same thruster problems manifested themselves on both previous flights. Boeing said they would solve them
    by making "software adjustments." NASA should've kept more oversight on
    how the changes were tested and implemented.

    Yes.

    If Starliner gets home without a hitch Boeing will argue that the safety scare was unnecessary and that the next flight should be a regular Commercial Crew flight for which they expect to be paid. Or they'll
    demand NASA reimburse them for another CFT.

    No. There will be a cargo flight, which NASA will pay for, on a
    separate contract. Boeing is on the hook for all other costs.

    /dps
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Fri Sep 6 15:49:11 2024
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    On Friday, Snidely yelped out that:
    Snidely formulated the question :
    Remember Friday, when Alain Fournier asked plaintively:
    Starliner should be coming home today and tomorrow. I am wondering whether >>> Boeing will call this a success or not.


    Alain Fournier

    We'll have to see what happens? It's a bit early to decide, although
    getting crew /to/ the ISS is a major part of the mission, and a milestone >> passed.

    Exited Approach Ellipsoid.

    For more information about Starliner's heatshield, which doesn't seem
    to be a point of concern (unlike Orion's), see Scott Manley's
    discussion:

    <URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPwMkU0HSOM&t=310s>

    Also, some info on the sequencing at the NSF forums:

    <URL:https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=56372.280>

    /dps
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Fri Sep 6 21:13:53 2024
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    Friday, Snidely quipped:
    On Friday, Snidely yelped out that:
    Snidely formulated the question :
    Remember Friday, when Alain Fournier asked plaintively:
    Starliner should be coming home today and tomorrow. I am wondering
    whether Boeing will call this a success or not.


    Alain Fournier

    We'll have to see what happens? It's a bit early to decide, although
    getting crew /to/ the ISS is a major part of the mission, and a milestone >>> passed.

    Exited Approach Ellipsoid.

    For more information about Starliner's heatshield, which doesn't seem to be a
    point of concern (unlike Orion's), see Scott Manley's discussion:

    <URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPwMkU0HSOM&t=310s>

    Also, some info on the sequencing at the NSF forums:

    <URL:https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=56372.280>

    /dps

    Heatshield and parachutes performed, trunk scrapped, and Starliner crew
    module and cargo on the ground with a good touchdown.

    /dps
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    I have always been glad we weren't killed that night. I do not know
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  • From The Running Man@running_man@writeable.com to sci.space.policy on Sat Sep 7 05:17:04 2024
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    On 07/09/2024 06:13 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
    Friday, Snidely quipped:
    On Friday, Snidely yelped out that:
    Snidely formulated the question :
    Remember Friday, when Alain Fournier asked plaintively:
    Starliner should be coming home today and tomorrow. I am wondering
    whether Boeing will call this a success or not.


    Alain Fournier

    We'll have to see what happens? It's a bit early to decide, although >>>> getting crew /to/ the ISS is a major part of the mission, and a milestone >>>> passed.

    Exited Approach Ellipsoid.

    For more information about Starliner's heatshield, which doesn't seem to be a
    point of concern (unlike Orion's), see Scott Manley's discussion:

    <URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPwMkU0HSOM&t=310s>

    Also, some info on the sequencing at the NSF forums:

    <URL:https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=56372.280>

    /dps

    Heatshield and parachutes performed, trunk scrapped, and Starliner crew module and cargo on the ground with a good touchdown.


    So now the bickering starts.

    Boeing will argue that there was nothing wrong
    with Starliner and it should've returned with crew on board.

    I personally side with NASA since there are simply too many
    unknowns. Just because it worked this time doesn't mean it
    will next time. We need to be absolutely sure these thrusters work
    during all phases of the flight or they need to be redesigned.

    NASA also needs to add more instrumentation in the service module
    to get more daa on what's going on during thruster firings.
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