• IFT-4 FAA approval

    From Alain Fournier@alain245@videotron.ca to sci.space.policy on Wed Jun 5 09:11:59 2024
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    SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.

    https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4


    Alain Fournier
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Thu Jun 6 06:12:07 2024
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    Alain Fournier blurted out:
    SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.

    https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4


    Alain Fournier

    Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km
    ship altitude.

    /dps
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  • From Alain Fournier@alain245@videotron.ca to sci.space.policy on Thu Jun 6 09:42:32 2024
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    On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
    Alain Fournier blurted out:
    SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.

    https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4


    Alain Fournier

    Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km ship altitude.

    I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
    hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went to
    zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems to be
    doing great also.


    Alain Fournier

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  • From The Running Man@runningman@writeable.com to sci.space.policy on Thu Jun 6 14:01:10 2024
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    On 06/06/2024 09:42 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
    Alain Fournier blurted out:
    SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.

    https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4


    Alain Fournier

    Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km ship
    altitude.

    I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
    hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went to zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems to be doing great also.


    Alain Fournier


    The flaps burned away but still a successful flight! Too bad the other camera went out as well.

    But it does mean they have some more engineering to do concerning the "hot spots" of the vehicle. Wasn't it pretty obvious the flaps would get peak heating during re-entry?
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Thu Jun 6 07:06:21 2024
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    On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
    On 06/06/2024 09:42 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
    Alain Fournier blurted out:
    SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.

    https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4


    Alain Fournier

    Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km ship >>> altitude.

    I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
    hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went to
    zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems to be
    doing great also.


    Alain Fournier


    The flaps burned away but still a successful flight! Too bad the other camera
    went out as well.

    But it does mean they have some more engineering to do concerning the "hot spots" of the vehicle. Wasn't it pretty obvious the flaps would get peak heating during re-entry?

    It was the hinge area that, as expected, was having the worst of the
    reentry experience. But it seems we did get a toasty marshmallow to
    land sorta soft.

    /dps
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  • From Alain Fournier@alain245@videotron.ca to sci.space.policy on Thu Jun 6 10:27:01 2024
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    On 2024-06-06 10:06 a.m., Snidely wrote:
    On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
    On 06/06/2024 09:42 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
    Alain Fournier blurted out:
    SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.

    https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4


    Alain Fournier

    Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km
    ship altitude.

    I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
    hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went
    to zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems
    to be doing great also.


    Alain Fournier


    The flaps burned away but still a successful flight! Too bad the other
    camera went out as well.
    But it does mean they have some more engineering to do concerning the
    "hot spots" of the vehicle. Wasn't it pretty obvious the flaps would
    get peak heating during re-entry?

    It was the hinge area that, as expected, was having the worst of the
    reentry experience.-a But it seems we did get a toasty marshmallow to
    land sorta soft.

    Yes. First time I see a spaceship burn up on reentry in such a way that
    a hypothetical crew would most likely had survived.

    Needs some more tweaks but quite close to a reusable spaceship. Congrats
    to SpaceX.


    Alain Fournier

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  • From The Running Man@runningman@writeable.com to sci.space.policy on Thu Jun 6 14:39:55 2024
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    On 06/06/2024 10:27 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-06-06 10:06 a.m., Snidely wrote:
    On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
    On 06/06/2024 09:42 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
    Alain Fournier blurted out:
    SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.

    https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4


    Alain Fournier

    Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km >>>>> ship altitude.

    I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
    hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went
    to zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems
    to be doing great also.


    Alain Fournier


    The flaps burned away but still a successful flight! Too bad the other
    camera went out as well.
    But it does mean they have some more engineering to do concerning the
    "hot spots" of the vehicle. Wasn't it pretty obvious the flaps would
    get peak heating during re-entry?

    It was the hinge area that, as expected, was having the worst of the
    reentry experience.? But it seems we did get a toasty marshmallow to
    land sorta soft.

    Yes. First time I see a spaceship burn up on reentry in such a way that
    a hypothetical crew would most likely had survived.

    Needs some more tweaks but quite close to a reusable spaceship. Congrats
    to SpaceX.

    I don't believe NASA is going to be pleased with the current rate of progress. Having a vehicle which has a "hypothetical crew surviving re-entry" just isn't good enough. NASA wants boots on the ground (on the Moon) ASAP since Congress is breathing in its neck to get there before the Chinese do.

    With all these delays boots on the Moon before 2030 is getting too close for comfort.
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Thu Jun 6 08:35:06 2024
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    On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
    On 06/06/2024 10:27 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-06-06 10:06 a.m., Snidely wrote:
    On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
    On 06/06/2024 09:42 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
    Alain Fournier blurted out:
    SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.

    https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4


    Alain Fournier

    Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km >>>>>> ship altitude.

    I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
    hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went >>>>> to zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems >>>>> to be doing great also.


    Alain Fournier


    The flaps burned away but still a successful flight! Too bad the other >>>> camera went out as well.
    But it does mean they have some more engineering to do concerning the >>>> "hot spots" of the vehicle. Wasn't it pretty obvious the flaps would
    get peak heating during re-entry?

    It was the hinge area that, as expected, was having the worst of the
    reentry experience.? But it seems we did get a toasty marshmallow to
    land sorta soft.

    Yes. First time I see a spaceship burn up on reentry in such a way that
    a hypothetical crew would most likely had survived.

    Needs some more tweaks but quite close to a reusable spaceship. Congrats
    to SpaceX.

    I don't believe NASA is going to be pleased with the current rate of progress. Having a vehicle which has a "hypothetical crew surviving re-entry"
    just isn't good enough. NASA wants boots on the ground (on the Moon) ASAP since Congress is breathing in its neck to get there before the Chinese do.

    With all these delays boots on the Moon before 2030 is getting too close for comfort.

    HLS does not require crewed Starship reentry -- or flaps. Fueling
    flights can begin with Booster caught and Starship discarded, but we'll probably see full recovery long before that time.

    /dps
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.space.policy on Thu Jun 6 08:36:15 2024
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    On Thursday, Snidely queried:
    On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
    On 06/06/2024 10:27 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-06-06 10:06 a.m., Snidely wrote:
    On Thursday, The Running Man pointed out that ...
    On 06/06/2024 09:42 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
    On 2024-06-06 9:12 a.m., Snidely wrote:
    Alain Fournier blurted out:
    SpaceX seems to have an FAA licence to launch IFT-4 tomorrow.

    https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/faa-clears-spacex-starship-integrated-flight-test-4


    Alain Fournier

    Seems to have had a launch, a warm bath for the booster, and 210 km >>>>>>> ship altitude.

    I was expecting to see the booster stay a few meters above water
    hovering with no speed before the splash. The speedometer never went to >>>>>> zero. Still it was a great flight for the booster. The ship seems to be >>>>>> doing great also.


    Alain Fournier


    The flaps burned away but still a successful flight! Too bad the other >>>>> camera went out as well.
    But it does mean they have some more engineering to do concerning the >>>>> "hot spots" of the vehicle. Wasn't it pretty obvious the flaps would get >>>>> peak heating during re-entry?

    It was the hinge area that, as expected, was having the worst of the
    reentry experience.? But it seems we did get a toasty marshmallow to land >>>> sorta soft.

    Yes. First time I see a spaceship burn up on reentry in such a way that a >>> hypothetical crew would most likely had survived.

    Needs some more tweaks but quite close to a reusable spaceship. Congrats >>> to SpaceX.

    I don't believe NASA is going to be pleased with the current rate of
    progress. Having a vehicle which has a "hypothetical crew surviving
    re-entry" just isn't good enough. NASA wants boots on the ground (on the
    Moon) ASAP since Congress is breathing in its neck to get there before the >> Chinese do.

    With all these delays boots on the Moon before 2030 is getting too close
    for comfort.

    HLS does not require crewed Starship reentry -- or flaps. Fueling flights can begin with Booster caught and Starship discarded, but we'll probably see full recovery long before that time.

    Not to mention there are still questions about Orion heatshield and
    delivery date of Axiom spacesuits.

    /dps
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    Stupidity is the same.
    And that's why life is hard.
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