• Einstein was wrong: MIT just settled a 100-year old quantum debate

    From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.physics on Sun Aug 3 06:53:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    Einstein was wrong: MIT just settled a 100-year quantum debate
    MIT physicists confirm that, like Superman, light has two identities that are impossible to see at once.
    Date:
    August 2, 2025
    Source:
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology
    Summary:
    Physicists at MIT recreated the double-slit experiment using individual photons and atoms held in laser light,
    uncovering the true limits of lightrCOs waverCoparticle duality.
    Their results proved EinsteinrCOs proposal wrong and confirmed a core prediction of quantum mechanics.
    Link:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/07/250729044705.htm
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  • From ram@ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) to sci.physics on Sun Aug 3 18:03:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote or quoted:
    MIT physicists confirm that, like Superman, light has two
    identities that are impossible to see at once.

    That sounds interesting, but the way it's shown in the media
    - more as pop science - kind of sweeps the actual measurement
    itself under the rug. I tried using the abstract and an AI
    chatbot to get a better handle on what was really measured.

    So, here's what you get:

    1. An expanded version of specific parts from the abstract
    I was able to get

    2. An explanation of some basics, made simple

    3. A breakdown of point "1." for folks who aren't experts, and

    4. a quick summary


    1. Expansion of two sentences from the abstract

    The researchers bridge a conceptual gap between two situations:
    atoms held in a trap (e.g., inside the optical lattice) and those
    released ("free-space"). By measuring how light scatters both while
    the atoms are still confined and as their wave packets expand after
    release, they demonstrate that the coherence - the ability of light to
    exhibit interference - remains constant, i.e., does not rely on whether
    the atom is trapped or not. This finding refines the understanding
    of decoherence and quantum measurement by clarifying that trapping
    potential is not essential for maintaining or destroying coherence
    in the light-atom system.

    This means that several mechanisms traditionally considered
    in light scattering - such as the M||ssbauer effect (recoilless
    emission/absorption in solids), sideband frequency shifts due
    to quantized motion in a trap, or the excitation of vibrational
    (harmonic oscillator) states - are not fundamental to determining the
    "coherence fraction" of scattered light. That is, one can address the
    distinction between coherent (phase-preserving, interference-capable)
    and incoherent (random-phase, decohered) scattering purely from the
    quantum-optical properties involving wave packet states and photon
    entanglement, not requiring these additional physical mechanisms.


    2. Pre-Knowledge for Laymen

    Atoms and Light: Atoms can interact with light by scattering
    it, a bit like how dust particles can change the direction
    of a flashlight beam in a dark room.

    Trapping Atoms: Scientists can use special tools - like crisscrossing
    lasers - to "trap" and hold atoms in place, creating what's called an
    optical lattice (think of it like a very tiny egg carton for atoms).

    Wave Packets: In the quantum world, atoms don't have precise
    positions; instead, they exist as "wave packets", which can
    be pictured as fuzzy clouds that show where the atom might be.

    Coherence: When talking about light, "coherence" means that
    the waves of light are aligned in a way that allows them to
    create predictable patterns - like the colorful ripples you
    see when oil floats on water. This usually happens when light
    is undisturbed and retains its original properties.

    Decoherence: This happens when the regular, "in-sync" part of
    light or matter gets scrambled, so patterns disappear - like
    blending colors so much you only see gray.

    Entanglement: In quantum physics, entanglement refers to two
    (or more) particles being linked together so that what happens
    to one immediately affects the other, even at a distance.


    3. Explanation of the experiment for laymen

    Scientists wanted to understand how atoms and light interact,
    focusing especially on whether holding atoms in place changes
    what happens when light bounces off of them. To do this,
    they compared two situations:

    1. Atoms in a Trap: Imagine atoms held tightly in place by a
    laser-made "egg carton."

    2. Atoms Set Free: Now, they turn off the traps and let the
    atoms move freely, like opening the egg carton and letting
    the eggs roll out.

    They shined light onto the atoms in both situations and studied
    how the light scattered after bouncing off. What they found was
    surprising: whether the atoms were trapped or free, the coherence
    - the ability for the scattered light waves to line up and interfere
    (make clear, consistent patterns) - didn't change. This means
    trapping the atoms wasn't important for keeping the light "in sync."

    This is interesting because, in the past, scientists often thought
    that things like trapping atoms, tiny vibrations of atoms in traps,
    or even special effects known as the M||ssbauer effect (recoilless
    energy exchange in solids) were crucial for how clearly you could
    see these interference patterns in scattered light. This experiment
    shows that's not true - the essential ingredient is simply the
    quantum nature of the atoms and their connection (entanglement)
    to the photons of light, not these more complicated mechanisms.


    4. Summary

    You don't need to keep atoms trapped to preserve the special
    interference effects in scattered light - what really matters
    is how the atoms and light are entangled at the quantum
    level. This clears up a big question in quantum physics and
    helps us better understand what is, and isn't, important for
    keeping quantum effects alive in experiments.


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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.physics on Mon Aug 4 07:11:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote or quoted:
    MIT physicists confirm that, like Superman, light has two
    identities that are impossible to see at once.

    That sounds interesting, but the way it's shown in the media
    - more as pop science - kind of sweeps the actual measurement
    itself under the rug. I tried using the abstract and an AI
    chatbot to get a better handle on what was really measured.

    So, here's what you get:

    1. An expanded version of specific parts from the abstract
    I was able to get

    2. An explanation of some basics, made simple

    3. A breakdown of point "1." for folks who aren't experts, and

    4. a quick summary


    1. Expansion of two sentences from the abstract

    The researchers bridge a conceptual gap between two situations:
    atoms held in a trap (e.g., inside the optical lattice) and those
    released ("free-space"). By measuring how light scatters both while
    the atoms are still confined and as their wave packets expand after
    release, they demonstrate that the coherence - the ability of light to
    exhibit interference - remains constant, i.e., does not rely on whether
    the atom is trapped or not. This finding refines the understanding
    of decoherence and quantum measurement by clarifying that trapping
    potential is not essential for maintaining or destroying coherence
    in the light-atom system.

    This means that several mechanisms traditionally considered
    in light scattering - such as the M||ssbauer effect (recoilless
    emission/absorption in solids), sideband frequency shifts due
    to quantized motion in a trap, or the excitation of vibrational
    (harmonic oscillator) states - are not fundamental to determining the
    "coherence fraction" of scattered light. That is, one can address the
    distinction between coherent (phase-preserving, interference-capable)
    and incoherent (random-phase, decohered) scattering purely from the
    quantum-optical properties involving wave packet states and photon
    entanglement, not requiring these additional physical mechanisms.


    2. Pre-Knowledge for Laymen

    Atoms and Light: Atoms can interact with light by scattering
    it, a bit like how dust particles can change the direction
    of a flashlight beam in a dark room.

    Trapping Atoms: Scientists can use special tools - like crisscrossing
    lasers - to "trap" and hold atoms in place, creating what's called an
    optical lattice (think of it like a very tiny egg carton for atoms).

    Wave Packets: In the quantum world, atoms don't have precise
    positions; instead, they exist as "wave packets", which can
    be pictured as fuzzy clouds that show where the atom might be.

    Coherence: When talking about light, "coherence" means that
    the waves of light are aligned in a way that allows them to
    create predictable patterns - like the colorful ripples you
    see when oil floats on water. This usually happens when light
    is undisturbed and retains its original properties.

    Decoherence: This happens when the regular, "in-sync" part of
    light or matter gets scrambled, so patterns disappear - like
    blending colors so much you only see gray.

    Entanglement: In quantum physics, entanglement refers to two
    (or more) particles being linked together so that what happens
    to one immediately affects the other, even at a distance.


    3. Explanation of the experiment for laymen

    Scientists wanted to understand how atoms and light interact,
    focusing especially on whether holding atoms in place changes
    what happens when light bounces off of them. To do this,
    they compared two situations:

    1. Atoms in a Trap: Imagine atoms held tightly in place by a
    laser-made "egg carton."

    2. Atoms Set Free: Now, they turn off the traps and let the
    atoms move freely, like opening the egg carton and letting
    the eggs roll out.

    They shined light onto the atoms in both situations and studied
    how the light scattered after bouncing off. What they found was
    surprising: whether the atoms were trapped or free, the coherence
    - the ability for the scattered light waves to line up and interfere
    (make clear, consistent patterns) - didn't change. This means
    trapping the atoms wasn't important for keeping the light "in sync."

    This is interesting because, in the past, scientists often thought
    that things like trapping atoms, tiny vibrations of atoms in traps,
    or even special effects known as the M||ssbauer effect (recoilless
    energy exchange in solids) were crucial for how clearly you could
    see these interference patterns in scattered light. This experiment
    shows that's not true - the essential ingredient is simply the
    quantum nature of the atoms and their connection (entanglement)
    to the photons of light, not these more complicated mechanisms.


    4. Summary

    You don't need to keep atoms trapped to preserve the special
    interference effects in scattered light - what really matters
    is how the atoms and light are entangled at the quantum
    level. This clears up a big question in quantum physics and
    helps us better understand what is, and isn't, important for
    keeping quantum effects alive in experiments.

    Very nice these AI texts you show, thank you!
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