• Re: The real measurements deny The Shit

    From Lazaro =?iso-8859-1?q?Wojew=F3dka?=@jole@lqae.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Wed Aug 27 19:37:56 2025
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    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    There you have it. "they estabished the prime meridian at Greenwich"
    (easy, it is an engraved line in a brass plate on the ground, nowadays
    at about 100 meter from the GPS zero)

    Greenwich Mean Time was the time shown by the pendulum clocks at
    Greenwich.

    Yes. As best they could, not by definition.
    Unfortunately people at, say Cape Town for example,
    never succeeded in reading those pendulum clocks over there.
    They had to have their own,
    and they had to measure their deviation from Greenwich,
    aka their longitude, as best they could.
    Greenwich time was no more than a reference in name. Jan

    completely nonsense, the gravity strength on earth is 6 times larger than
    that on moon. That english pigs greenwich time is completely bullshit, not worth of anything.

    please revise your puerile deplorable attitude.
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  • From Evan Marchuk@va@ar.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 28 21:02:12 2025
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    Paul B. Andersen wrote:

    Den 27.08.2025 14:02, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
    So it is wrong, or at least simplified.
    No, TAI second is NOT your SI idiocy.
    If they applied your idiocy they would have no synchronization.

    This is meaningless nonsense, and you know it.
    You are not trying to make sense.
    If you have at least some knowledge of physics, you will understand the following:
    All clocks consists of an oscillator and a counter.

    wrong again, LF XTAL, oscillator, comparator, buffers/registors, counter

    In your wristwatch the oscillator is probably based on a quartz crystal.
    If the frequency of this quartz crystal oscillator is - say 32.768 kHz,
    you need a modulo 32768 counter to make it tick once every second.

    wrong again, that's called LF XTAL low frequency. Some MCUs do have built
    in 32kHz LF oscillators parallel with HF VC oscillators. Hence you may
    have up to 6 clocks builtin MCUs, no crystal required (voltage/heat
    dependent accuracy).
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  • From Chadwick =?iso-8859-1?q?Wojew=F3dzki?=@ik@zwij.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 28 21:16:44 2025
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    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    [1] The actual reason Greenwich won out over Paris was the quality and general use of their almanacs.
    (much to the chagrin of the French, who felt
    that they had a historical right to the meridian)

    nonsense, the greenwich gravity strength is 6 times larger than that on
    moon. English pigs.
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  • From Tharon Turlapov@pv@llh.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 30 10:28:59 2025
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    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/30/2025 11:56 AM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    This SI definition is obviously made to enforce the absurd General
    Theory of Relativity on the rest of the world.

    Yes, it was, poor trash. Sorry, poor trash. Fortunately - nobody serious cares about the nonsense, anyone can check GPS, the real second is 9 192
    631 770 on Earth and 9 192 631 774 on a GPS satellite.

    idiot, if you really check and care about, those numbers are the same.
    Then in galactic time that on earth has to count more since it goes
    slower.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@mlwozniak@wp.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 30 12:49:36 2025
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    On 8/30/2025 12:28 PM, Tharon Turlapov wrote:
    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/30/2025 11:56 AM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    This SI definition is obviously made to enforce the absurd General
    Theory of Relativity on the rest of the world.

    Yes, it was, poor trash. Sorry, poor trash. Fortunately - nobody serious
    cares about the nonsense, anyone can check GPS, the real second is 9 192
    631 770 on Earth and 9 192 631 774 on a GPS satellite.

    idiot, if you really check and care about, those numbers are the same.

    No, idiot, 9 192 631 774 is 4 more than 9 192 631 770.

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  • From Micha =?iso-8859-1?q?Wojew=F3dka?=@iaek@oahdfewd.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 30 11:04:52 2025
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    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/30/2025 12:28 PM, Tharon Turlapov wrote:
    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/30/2025 11:56 AM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    This SI definition is obviously made to enforce the absurd General
    Theory of Relativity on the rest of the world.

    Yes, it was, poor trash. Sorry, poor trash. Fortunately - nobody
    serious cares about the nonsense, anyone can check GPS, the real
    second is 9 192 631 770 on Earth and 9 192 631 774 on a GPS satellite.

    idiot, if you really check and care about, those numbers are the same.

    No, idiot, 9 192 631 774 is 4 more than 9 192 631 770.

    what DSP capable device are you using to make sure, idiot. Put up some
    proofs, or shut up. We work with hard proofs in relativity.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@mlwozniak@wp.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 30 14:23:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    On 8/30/2025 1:04 PM, Micha Wojew||dka wrote:
    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/30/2025 12:28 PM, Tharon Turlapov wrote:
    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/30/2025 11:56 AM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    This SI definition is obviously made to enforce the absurd General
    Theory of Relativity on the rest of the world.

    Yes, it was, poor trash. Sorry, poor trash. Fortunately - nobody
    serious cares about the nonsense, anyone can check GPS, the real
    second is 9 192 631 770 on Earth and 9 192 631 774 on a GPS satellite.

    idiot, if you really check and care about, those numbers are the same.

    No, idiot, 9 192 631 774 is 4 more than 9 192 631 770.

    what DSP capable device are you using to make sure, idiot. Put up some proofs, or shut up. We work with hard proofs in relativity.


    Show me then your hard proof of
    "We work with hard proofs in relativity."
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  • From Python@jp@python.invalid to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 30 12:37:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Le 30/08/2025 |a 14:23, Maciej Wo+|niak a |-crit :
    On 8/30/2025 1:04 PM, Micha Wojew||dka wrote:
    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/30/2025 12:28 PM, Tharon Turlapov wrote:
    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/30/2025 11:56 AM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    This SI definition is obviously made to enforce the absurd General >>>>>> Theory of Relativity on the rest of the world.

    Yes, it was, poor trash. Sorry, poor trash. Fortunately - nobody
    serious cares about the nonsense, anyone can check GPS, the real
    second is 9 192 631 770 on Earth and 9 192 631 774 on a GPS satellite. >>>>
    idiot, if you really check and care about, those numbers are the same.

    No, idiot, 9 192 631 774 is 4 more than 9 192 631 770.

    what DSP capable device are you using to make sure, idiot. Put up some
    proofs, or shut up. We work with hard proofs in relativity.


    Show me then your hard proof of
    "We work with hard proofs in relativity."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

    I wonder if you noticed, given how strong your grip on reality is, that
    you are arguing with the resident "'nymshifting troll".

    Are you yelling at clouds in Poland also?


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  • From Joshawa =?iso-8859-1?q?L=E9cuyer?=@ucyr@asaa.fr to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 30 12:51:07 2025
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    Python wrote:

    Le 30/08/2025 |a 14:23, Maciej Wo+|niak a |-crit :
    what DSP capable device are you using to make sure, idiot. Put up some
    proofs, or shut up. We work with hard proofs in relativity.

    Show me then your hard proof of "We work with hard proofs in
    relativity."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

    I wonder if you noticed, given how strong your grip on reality is, that
    you are arguing with the resident "'nymshifting troll".

    Are you yelling at clouds in Poland also?

    I strongly believe that "troll" fucked your mother in she ass frequently,
    in front of you, then paid nothing, you stupid puerile unskilled and uneducated troll. You frogs are all depraved gays in that allocated region
    of the territory.
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  • From Python@jp@python.invalid to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 30 12:54:49 2025
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    Le 30/08/2025 |a 14:51, Joshawa L|-cuyer a |-crit :
    Python wrote:

    Le 30/08/2025 |a 14:23, Maciej Wo+|niak a |-crit :
    what DSP capable device are you using to make sure, idiot. Put up some >>>> proofs, or shut up. We work with hard proofs in relativity.

    Show me then your hard proof of "We work with hard proofs in
    relativity."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

    I wonder if you noticed, given how strong your grip on reality is, that
    you are arguing with the resident "'nymshifting troll".

    Are you yelling at clouds in Poland also?

    I strongly believe that "troll" fucked your mother in she ass frequently,
    in front of you, then paid nothing, you stupid puerile unskilled and uneducated troll. You frogs are all depraved gays in that allocated region of the territory.

    Your account on Eternal September will be shut down soon :-)


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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@mlwozniak@wp.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 30 15:02:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    On 8/30/2025 2:37 PM, Python wrote:
    Le 30/08/2025 |a 14:23, Maciej Wo+|niak a |-crit :
    On 8/30/2025 1:04 PM, Micha Wojew||dka wrote:
    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/30/2025 12:28 PM, Tharon Turlapov wrote:
    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/30/2025 11:56 AM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    This SI definition is obviously made to enforce the absurd General >>>>>>> Theory of Relativity on the rest of the world.

    Yes, it was, poor trash. Sorry, poor trash. Fortunately - nobody
    serious cares about the nonsense, anyone can check GPS, the real
    second is 9 192 631 770 on Earth and 9 192 631 774 on a GPS
    satellite.

    idiot, if you really check and care about, those numbers are the same. >>>>
    No, idiot, 9 192 631 774 is 4 more than 9 192 631 770.

    what DSP capable device are you using to make sure, idiot. Put up some
    proofs, or shut up. We work with hard proofs in relativity.


    Show me then your hard proof of
    "We work with hard proofs in relativity."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

    And in the meantime in the real world -
    forbidden by your bunch of idiots improper
    clocks keep indicating improper t'=t in
    improper seconds.
    No surprise, of course, that you have no
    clue what a "hard proof" mean.



    I wonder if you noticed, given how strong your grip on reality is, that
    you are arguing with the resident "'nymshifting troll".

    I'm not arguing him, it's as pointless
    as arguing the idiots from your bunch of
    idiots. I Just kick his ass.


    Are you yelling at clouds in Poland also?

    No, poor stinker, you're just slandering like
    always.

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  • From Daryel Chevalier@elri@rrdird.fr to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 30 19:46:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Python wrote:

    Le 30/08/2025 |a 14:51, Joshawa L|-cuyer a |-crit :
    Python wrote:

    Le 30/08/2025 |a 14:23, Maciej Wo+|niak a |-crit :
    what DSP capable device are you using to make sure, idiot. Put up
    some proofs, or shut up. We work with hard proofs in relativity.

    Show me then your hard proof of "We work with hard proofs in
    relativity."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

    I wonder if you noticed, given how strong your grip on reality is,
    that you are arguing with the resident "'nymshifting troll".

    Are you yelling at clouds in Poland also?

    I strongly believe that "troll" fucked your mother in she ass
    frequently, in front of you, then paid nothing, you stupid puerile
    unskilled and uneducated troll. You frogs are all depraved gays in that
    allocated region of the territory.

    Your account on Eternal September will be shut down soon

    your account you suck his dick, you stupid kike it-supporter.
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  • From Ulisez Walentowicz@at@letlizs.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 30 20:00:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/30/2025 1:04 PM, Micha Wojew||dka wrote:
    what DSP capable device are you using to make sure, idiot. Put up
    some proofs, or shut up. We work with hard proofs in relativity.
    Show me then your hard proof of "We work with hard proofs in
    relativity."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

    And in the meantime in the real world - forbidden by your bunch of
    idiots improper clocks keep indicating improper t'=t in improper
    seconds.
    No surprise, of course, that you have no clue what a "hard proof" mean.

    I wonder if you noticed, given how strong your grip on reality is, that
    you are arguing with the resident "'nymshifting troll".

    I'm not arguing him, it's as pointless as arguing the idiots from your
    bunch of idiots. I Just kick his ass.

    the recorded empirical registered data shows that he is shitting your ugly kikeish face, at large and very large. Please clarify the circumstances.
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  • From Paul B. Andersen@relativity@paulba.no to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 31 14:14:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Den 30.08.2025 15:02, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
    On 8/30/2025 2:37 PM, Python wrote:
    Le 30/08/2025 |a 14:23, Maciej Wo+|niak a |-crit :

    Show me then your hard proof of
    "We work with hard proofs in relativity."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

    And in the meantime in the real world -
    forbidden by your bunch of idiots improper
    clocks keep indicating improper t'=t in
    improper seconds.
    No surprise, of course, that you have no
    clue what a "hard proof" mean.

    So you don't accept the description of experiments
    confirming SR/GR as "hard proof".

    But what about the papers written by those who
    performed those experiments?

    https://paulba.no/paper/Fizeau_by_Michelson.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_1913.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_Gale_I.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_Gale_II.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Kennedy_Thorndike.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Ives_Stilwell.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Ives_Stilwell_II.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Clemence.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Pound&Rebka.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Pound&Snider.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Babcock_Bergman.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Frisch_Smith.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Alvager_et_al.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Beckmann_Mandics.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Filippas_Fox.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Shapiro_1964.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Shapiro_1968.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Hafele.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Hafele_Keating.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Alley.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Brecher.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Initial_results_of_GPS_satellite_1977.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Brillet_Hall.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Vessot.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Pollock.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Hipparcos.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Cassini.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Shapiro_2004.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Liu.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Fomalont.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/GravityProbeB.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Cassini_2.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Remmen_McCreary.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Botermann.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/LIGO_GravitationalWaves.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/LIGO_TestOfGR.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/LIGO_GravitationalWaves_2.pdf

    Is this evidence hard enough for you?

    A wise guy like you know of course that the only way
    to falsify a consistent theory of physics is to
    perform an experiment and show that the predictions
    of the theory are inconsistent with measurements.

    Can you name an experiment which falsifies GR?
    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/
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  • From Richard Hachel@rh@tiscali.fr to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 31 12:46:58 2025
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    Le 31/08/2025 |a 14:13, "Paul B. Andersen" a |-crit :

    https://paulba.no/paper/Fizeau_by_Michelson.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_1913.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_Gale_I.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_Gale_II.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Kennedy_Thorndike.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Ives_Stilwell.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Ives_Stilwell_II.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Clemence.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Pound&Rebka.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Pound&Snider.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Babcock_Bergman.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Frisch_Smith.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Alvager_et_al.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Beckmann_Mandics.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Filippas_Fox.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Shapiro_1964.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Shapiro_1968.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Hafele.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Hafele_Keating.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Alley.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Brecher.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Initial_results_of_GPS_satellite_1977.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Brillet_Hall.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Vessot.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Pollock.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Hipparcos.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Cassini.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Shapiro_2004.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Liu.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Fomalont.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/GravityProbeB.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Cassini_2.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Remmen_McCreary.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/Botermann.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/LIGO_GravitationalWaves.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/LIGO_TestOfGR.pdf https://paulba.no/paper/LIGO_GravitationalWaves_2.pdf

    C'est de la pub pour le site de Paul, |oa.

    Ne venez pas me dire le contraire, je vous croirai pas.

    R.H.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@mlwozniak@wp.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 31 14:50:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    On 8/31/2025 2:14 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 30.08.2025 15:02, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
    On 8/30/2025 2:37 PM, Python wrote:
    Le 30/08/2025 |a 14:23, Maciej Wo+|niak a |-crit :

    Show me then your hard proof of
    "We work with hard proofs in relativity."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

    And in the meantime in the real world -
    forbidden by your bunch of idiots improper
    clocks keep indicating improper t'=t in
    improper seconds.
    No surprise, of course, that you have no
    clue what a "hard proof" mean.

    So you don't accept the description of experiments
    confirming SR/GR as "hard proof".

    But what about the papers written by those who
    performed those experiments?


    The papers are moronic arm waving, typical
    for relativistic idiots.
    And anyway, poor trash, i asked not for
    a hard proof for your GR delusions . I
    asked for a hard proof of "We work with
    hard proofs in relativity."
    Any of your precious experiments confirming
    that? Which one?

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  • From Zackee Dovlatov@ozdvzc@taaddd.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 31 15:52:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Richard Hachel wrote:

    https://paulba.no/paper/LIGO_TestOfGR.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/LIGO_GravitationalWaves_2.pdf

    C'est de la pub pour le site de Paul, |oa.

    Ne venez pas me dire le contraire, je vous croirai pas.

    which proves you never read any of it. You can't disprove anything. Go
    come back when you can disprove.
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  • From Harless Eli Sokolowski@wklo@asslo.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 31 15:55:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    So you don't accept the description of experiments confirming SR/GR as
    "hard proof".

    But what about the papers written by those who performed those
    experiments?

    The papers are moronic arm waving, typical for relativistic idiots.
    And anyway, poor trash, i asked not for a hard proof for your GR
    delusions . I asked for a hard proof of "We work with hard proofs in relativity."
    Any of your precious experiments confirming that? Which one?

    not only you are stupid like a door, you are also a liar. You never read
    nor undrestand any of it, nor dispute nor debate. Idiot. Go come back when
    you can disprove relativity from the core.
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  • From Richard Hachel@rh@tiscali.fr to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 31 17:09:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Le 31/08/2025 |a 17:52, Zackee Dovlatov a |-crit :
    Richard Hachel wrote:

    https://paulba.no/paper/LIGO_TestOfGR.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/LIGO_GravitationalWaves_2.pdf

    C'est de la pub pour le site de Paul, |oa.

    Ne venez pas me dire le contraire, je vous croirai pas.

    which proves you never read any of it. You can't disprove anything. Go
    come back when you can disprove.

    You're joking.
    I explained to Paul where the errors were.
    He doesn't care, just as all article or video authors do when they're
    pointed out flaws.
    There's nothing more I can do.

    R.H.
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  • From Richard Hachel@rh@tiscali.fr to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 31 17:14:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Le 31/08/2025 |a 17:55, Harless Eli Sokolowski a |-crit :
    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    So you don't accept the description of experiments confirming SR/GR as
    "hard proof".

    But what about the papers written by those who performed those
    experiments?

    The papers are moronic arm waving, typical for relativistic idiots.
    And anyway, poor trash, i asked not for a hard proof for your GR
    delusions . I asked for a hard proof of "We work with hard proofs in
    relativity."
    Any of your precious experiments confirming that? Which one?

    not only you are stupid like a door, you are also a liar. You never read
    nor undrestand any of it, nor dispute nor debate. Idiot. Go come back when you can disprove relativity from the core.

    It's a lie to pretend that if someone refutes certain points of the
    theory, they will be listened to.
    It's an abstract thought to believe that man listens to man.

    R.H.
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  • From Paul B. Andersen@relativity@paulba.no to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 31 20:37:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Den 31.08.2025 14:50, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
    On 8/31/2025 2:14 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 30.08.2025 15:02, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
    On 8/30/2025 2:37 PM, Python wrote:
    Le 30/08/2025 |a 14:23, Maciej Wo+|niak a |-crit :

    Show me then your hard proof of
    "We work with hard proofs in relativity."


    Quite.
    Physicists work with hard, experimental evidence.

    If a theory is falsified by one experiment,
    the theory is dead.

    SR and GR are thoroughly experimentally verified
    by innumerable experiments and falsified by none.

    Some of the experiments:


    https://paulba.no/paper/Fizeau_by_Michelson.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_1913.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_Gale_I.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_Gale_II.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Kennedy_Thorndike.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Ives_Stilwell.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Ives_Stilwell_II.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Clemence.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Pound&Rebka.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Pound&Snider.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Babcock_Bergman.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Frisch_Smith.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Alvager_et_al.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Beckmann_Mandics.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Filippas_Fox.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Shapiro_1964.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Shapiro_1968.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Hafele.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Hafele_Keating.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Alley.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Brecher.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Initial_results_of_GPS_satellite_1977.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Brillet_Hall.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Vessot.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Pollock.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Hipparcos.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Cassini.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Shapiro_2004.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Liu.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Fomalont.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/GravityProbeB.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Cassini_2.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Remmen_McCreary.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/Botermann.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/LIGO_GravitationalWaves.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/LIGO_TestOfGR.pdf
    https://paulba.no/paper/LIGO_GravitationalWaves_2.pdf

    Is this evidence hard enough for you?

    A wise guy like you know of course that the only way
    to falsify a consistent theory of physics is to
    perform an experiment and show that the predictions
    of the theory are inconsistent with measurements.

    Can you name an experiment which falsifies GR? No? So GR is still not falsified.



    The papers are-a moronic arm waving, typical
    for relativistic idiots.

    Don't pretend you have read any of them.

    You are too ignorant of elementary physics
    to be competent to read them.

    As demonstrated in your statements above and below
    you can only babble incoherent nonsense.

    And anyway, poor trash, i asked not for
    a hard proof for your GR delusions . I
    asked for a hard proof of "We work with
    hard proofs in relativity."
    Any of your precious experiments confirming
    that? Which one?

    See? :-D
    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/
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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 31 12:02:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    On 8/30/2025 5:37 AM, Python wrote:
    Le 30/08/2025 |a 14:23, Maciej Wo+|niak a |-crit :
    On 8/30/2025 1:04 PM, Micha Wojew||dka wrote:
    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/30/2025 12:28 PM, Tharon Turlapov wrote:
    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/30/2025 11:56 AM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    This SI definition is obviously made to enforce the absurd General >>>>>>> Theory of Relativity on the rest of the world.

    Yes, it was, poor trash. Sorry, poor trash. Fortunately - nobody
    serious cares about the nonsense, anyone can check GPS, the real
    second is 9 192 631 770 on Earth and 9 192 631 774 on a GPS
    satellite.

    idiot, if you really check and care about, those numbers are the same. >>>>
    No, idiot, 9 192 631 774 is 4 more than 9 192 631 770.

    what DSP capable device are you using to make sure, idiot. Put up some
    proofs, or shut up. We work with hard proofs in relativity.


    Show me then your hard proof of
    "We work with hard proofs in relativity."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

    I wonder if you noticed, given how strong your grip on reality is, that
    you are arguing with the resident "'nymshifting troll".

    Are you yelling at clouds in Poland also?



    For some reason, it reminds me of JG when he gets pissed off... His
    insults have a certain "signature", so to speak...
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  • From Simei =?iso-8859-1?q?Wojew=F3dzki?=@ze@zeizy.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 31 19:07:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    On 8/31/2025 7:49 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    GR predicts that the gravitational deflection of EM-radiation observed
    from the Earth is:

    No, poor trash, it doesn't.
    As said, your idiot guru has defined "a straight line" as a path of
    light in vacuum. No surprise you have no clue, you're a really primitive idiot.

    you are actually correct here. Apparently PBA doesn't know what deflection stands for in physics. Following own path line through the curved
    spacetime is not deflection, but quite the contrary.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@mlwozniak@wp.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 31 21:11:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    On 8/31/2025 8:37 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 31.08.2025 14:50, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
    On 8/31/2025 2:14 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 30.08.2025 15:02, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
    On 8/30/2025 2:37 PM, Python wrote:
    Le 30/08/2025 |a 14:23, Maciej Wo+|niak a |-crit :

    Show me then your hard proof of
    "We work with hard proofs in relativity."


    Quite.
    Physicists work with hard, experimental evidence.


    Sure, repeating the thesis you're asked to hard
    prove may be considered as a hard proof.



    If a theory is falsified by one experiment,
    the theory is dead.

    How fortunate that your "falsification"
    is a ridiculous nonsense invented by
    pseudophilosopher of a second sort and
    unable to kill anything.


    SR and GR are thoroughly experimentally verified
    by innumerable experiments and falsified by none.

    Paul, poor piece of shit, you're even
    stupid enough to admit yourself that
    the real measurements violate your
    idiocies.


    The papers are-a moronic arm waving, typical
    for relativistic idiots.

    Don't pretend you have read any of them.

    I know your moronic physics quite well,
    poor trash, and I know how it works.


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  • From Orren Halapkhaev@vla@vnara.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 31 19:11:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    Show me then your hard proof of "We work with hard proofs in
    relativity."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

    I wonder if you noticed, given how strong your grip on reality is, that
    you are arguing with the resident "'nymshifting troll".

    Are you yelling at clouds in Poland also?

    For some reason, it reminds me of JG when he gets pissed off... His
    insults have a certain "signature", so to speak...

    speaking the witch, i suspect you also might be terribly fucked up into
    your ass, as signature, so to speak
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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 31 12:16:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    On 8/31/2025 12:11 PM, Orren Halapkhaev wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    Show me then your hard proof of "We work with hard proofs in
    relativity."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

    I wonder if you noticed, given how strong your grip on reality is, that
    you are arguing with the resident "'nymshifting troll".

    Are you yelling at clouds in Poland also?

    For some reason, it reminds me of JG when he gets pissed off... His
    insults have a certain "signature", so to speak...

    speaking the witch, i suspect you also might be terribly fucked up into
    your ass, as signature, so to speak

    Yeah yeah. Btw, are you standing on a soap box or something when you
    write your responses? ;^)
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  • From Eudaldo Kabaloev@kouu@oeoev.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Tue Sep 2 20:22:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Paul B. Andersen wrote:

    GR predicts that the gravitational deflection of EM-radiation by a
    massive object, observed from the Earth, is:

    ++ = (2-+GM/(b-+c-#))-+(1 + cos-a) (1)

    nonsense, from earth and anywhere one observes straight lines, no
    deflections. you have to go outside the spacetime to observe deflections.
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  • From Alan Zdunowski@lzwski@uduawwi.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Wed Sep 3 12:52:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Paul B. Andersen <relativity@paulba.no> wrote:
    There are not two interpretations, there are two different theories.

    Being pedantic about it: General relativity -by itself-
    predicts nothing about light deflection.
    It is a purely geometrical theory without physical content.

    Physical theories have to be reformulated to be in agreement with GR.
    And if you generalise Maxwell's equations to be compatible with GR in
    the natural way then the fact that light rays follow space-time
    geodesics is a derivable result.
    It doesn't need a separate postulate. [1]

    absolutely, finally a correct answer. It not appears that gay paul be
    andersen would agree or undrestand.

    The approximation is very good, and the impact parameter b is hard to
    measure precisely.

    In fact it cannot be measured at all.
    Eddington had to measure many star positions,
    and he had to deduce the deflections by comparing the observed positions
    of stars at different distances from the sun.

    This involved a lot of heavy computation.
    (and took some months, and a lot of hard work)
    Eddington could use only a limited number of stars because of the amount
    of work involved.

    All this has been redone, the still existing plates have been remeasured using modern equipment,
    and the computations have been redone with a computer,
    and for more stars.

    It all vindicates Eddington's results.
    His detractors were wrong about it, Jan

    man, you are great, thanks. Time of Wojciech Jaruzelski, Poland used to be
    a very beautiful country, good people. A true man, for the people.
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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Wed Sep 3 21:03:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Alan Zdunowski <lzwski@uduawwi.pl> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Paul B. Andersen <relativity@paulba.no> wrote:
    There are not two interpretations, there are two different theories.

    Being pedantic about it: General relativity -by itself-
    predicts nothing about light deflection.
    It is a purely geometrical theory without physical content.

    Physical theories have to be reformulated to be in agreement with GR.
    And if you generalise Maxwell's equations to be compatible with GR in
    the natural way then the fact that light rays follow space-time
    geodesics is a derivable result.
    It doesn't need a separate postulate. [1]

    absolutely, finally a correct answer. It not appears that gay paul be andersen would agree or undrestand.

    Of course Paul Andersen understands these things.
    He is obviously a competent physisist.

    However, when relpying to the nutters
    it may be necessary to simplify things somewhat,

    Jan

    BTW, your use of 'gay' disqualifies you as someone
    to be taken seriously.


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  • From Bernabe Jaskulski@ae@ae.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Wed Sep 3 20:10:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    geodesics is a derivable result.
    It doesn't need a separate postulate. [1]

    absolutely, finally a correct answer. It not appears that gay paul be
    andersen would agree or undrestand.

    Of course Paul Andersen understands these things. He is obviously a
    competent physisist.

    However, when relpying to the nutters it may be necessary to simplify
    things somewhat,

    Jan

    BTW, your use of 'gay' disqualifies you as someone to be taken
    seriously.

    it's obvious the pba is terribly confused, not understanding domains and mapping (the reason for your post replying). To me it looks like another IT-supporter familiar in java and java script. Which is not that bad, as
    "gay" is a matter of 'proud' in collective_west.

    I would urge you to reconsider your shortsighted decision.
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  • From Douglas Bazhaev@lughv@ao.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Sep 4 18:15:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Paul B. Andersen wrote:

    Den 03.09.2025 14:10, skrev J. J. Lodder:

    Being pedantic about it: General relativity -by itself- predicts
    nothing about light deflection.
    It is a purely geometrical theory without physical content.

    What is "General relativity - by itself" ?

    The theory which Einstein called "The General Theory of Relativity"
    predicts gravitational deflection of light.

    as looking at, from what domain, say flat spacetime, to what domain, say curved spacetime. Or you terribly misundrestood relativity.

    you didnt have domains, interfaces and mapping at that university, as universities are all about transition and mapping from a domain to another domain. Even PDEs/ODEs are all about domains and mapping. Or you cant
    remember what you did.
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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Sep 4 22:38:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Bernabe Jaskulski <ae@ae.pl> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    geodesics is a derivable result.
    It doesn't need a separate postulate. [1]

    absolutely, finally a correct answer. It not appears that gay paul be
    andersen would agree or undrestand.

    Of course Paul Andersen understands these things. He is obviously a competent physisist.

    However, when relpying to the nutters it may be necessary to simplify things somewhat,

    Jan

    BTW, your use of 'gay' disqualifies you as someone to be taken
    seriously.

    it's obvious the pba is terribly confused, not understanding domains and mapping (the reason for your post replying). To me it looks like another IT-supporter familiar in java and java script. Which is not that bad, as "gay" is a matter of 'proud' in collective_west.

    I would urge you to reconsider your shortsighted decision.

    OK, you can join the Wozzy,

    Jan

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  • From Jhon Kabulov@hv@jvlnuu.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Sep 6 20:48:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Python wrote:

    He can back up his pretenses.

    With worshipping your mumbling guru, maybe?

    No, with relevant papers and posts. Not quite like you.

    this stupid frog is fecal infused. Having papers and posts he dont need a brain to see what is going on.
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  • From Wilber Mihalev@wilva@birli.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Sep 6 21:06:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Paul B. Andersen wrote:

    Den 05.09.2025 12:38, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
    GR is the only valid (not falsified) theory that correctly predicts
    that such a phenomenon should exist.

    In gravitational lensing the light source is behind the massive object,
    In this case GR predicts that the deflection of light observed from the
    Earth is: ++ = (4-+GM/(b-+c-#)) Where:

    I suspect a fuse or two blown out. NOT "seen from earth", but from a flat spacetime; your problem is that earth is inside a CURVED spacetime.


    Imagine giving nukes to the country that bombed you into oblivion during
    WW2. ThatrCOs how deranged the cult west has become.

    Lavrov is right ! And right here is more proof ,, he wants access to all
    the euro nukes , and that Berlin should take the lead ,

    Hahhahaha, the coalition of the sour grapes and desperate.
    Russia just needs to bombard your nuke weapons facilities with oreshniks.
    The nuclear fallout will stay within NATO countries.

    The Germans should be grateful that they have a country at all after what
    they have done. Germany should be forbidden from having any weapons or military. Maybe it would be best if Germany was divided into surrounding countries at the end of the war. Germany is a fantastic country with a lot
    to see and experience, but their -2supremacy-+ still exists. I think the Germans need a new government and chancellor immediately.

    Russia can give them access to the full taste of nuclear weapons including nuclear fallout if that is what they are looking for

    It seems that Germany needs a very serious denazification! The lessons
    from WW1 and WW2 have been (already) forgotten! I honestly cannot
    understand German voters, are these politicians truly your
    representatives, are you of the same mindset?

    https://www.r%74.com/news/624220-german-access-french-uk-nukes/
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  • From Teobaldo Szczepanski@aznpic@lndsisde.pl to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Sep 7 11:27:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Python wrote:

    Le 07/09/2025 |a 11:00, Maciej Wo+|niak a |-crit :
    No, poor stinker, mistaken like always, and even if you weren't it
    would still demonstrate plainly his alleged knowledge of math.

    My guess: Paul has absolutely no incentive to demonstrate his knowledge
    of math to *you*.

    no, poor stinker, go read the Shit.
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  • From Python@jp@python.invalid to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Sep 7 12:01:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Le 07/09/2025 |a 13:27, Teobaldo Szczepanski a |-crit :
    Python wrote:

    Le 07/09/2025 |a 11:00, Maciej Wo+|niak a |-crit :
    No, poor stinker, mistaken like always, and even if you weren't it
    would still demonstrate plainly his alleged knowledge of math.

    My guess: Paul has absolutely no incentive to demonstrate his knowledge
    of math to *you*.

    no, poor stinker, go read the Shit.

    Nym-shifting troll, what is exactly your point in posting absurd posts
    here for years, if not decades, one out of 1000 being remotely funny ?


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  • From Javier Poingdestre@vjdjra@ned.fr to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Sep 8 07:36:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Python wrote:

    Le 07/09/2025 |a 13:27, Teobaldo Szczepanski a |-crit :
    Python wrote:

    Le 07/09/2025 |a 11:00, Maciej Wo+|niak a |-crit :
    No, poor stinker, mistaken like always, and even if you weren't it
    would still demonstrate plainly his alleged knowledge of math.

    My guess: Paul has absolutely no incentive to demonstrate his
    knowledge of math to *you*.

    no, poor stinker, go read the Shit.

    Nym-shifting troll, what is exactly your point in posting absurd posts
    here for years, if not decades, one out of 1000 being remotely funny ?

    you stupid irrelevant troll. Get yourself a proper education, before
    making a fool of yourself. Cretin.
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  • From Python@jp@python.invalid to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Sep 8 09:13:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Le 08/09/2025 |a 09:36, Javier Poingdestre a |-crit :
    [stupid trolling]

    I've already shut down your previous accounts, this one will be shut down
    too.




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  • From Merlin Lebeau@bemnla@reera.fr to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Sep 8 10:14:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Python wrote:

    Le 08/09/2025 |a 09:36, Javier Poingdestre a |-crit :
    [stupid trolling]

    I've already shut down your previous accounts, this one will be shut
    down too.

    this deplorable irrelevant troll, void of education it-supporter, wannabe physicist, not even today undrestand how the internet works. Myohhmy.
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  • From Python@jp@python.invalid to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Sep 8 17:04:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Le 08/09/2025 |a 12:14, Merlin Lebeau a |-crit :
    Python wrote:

    Le 08/09/2025 |a 09:36, Javier Poingdestre a |-crit :
    [stupid trolling]

    I've already shut down your previous accounts, this one will be shut
    down too.

    this deplorable irrelevant troll, void of education it-supporter, wannabe physicist, not even today undrestand how the internet works. Myohhmy.

    bla bla bla. Your account will terminate soon.


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  • From Eniel Babadei@aali@eeid.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Tue Sep 9 09:01:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    Therefore I think it is best to keep pure geometry,
    (as given by general relativity)
    and the physics that plays out in that geometry as separate as
    possible,

    My own approach to this problem was:

    assume that spacetime of GR is real and make particles (and 'all things quantum') out of that.

    you cant assume that, please assume something else. Assume exactly the opposite.
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  • From Kalob =?iso-8859-1?b?TOl26nF1ZQ==?=@lk@vujl.fr to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Tue Sep 9 15:50:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Python wrote:

    Le 08/09/2025 |a 12:14, Merlin Lebeau a |-crit :
    Python wrote:

    Le 08/09/2025 |a 09:36, Javier Poingdestre a |-crit :
    [stupid trolling]

    I've already shut down your previous accounts, this one will be shut
    down too.

    this deplorable irrelevant troll, void of education it-supporter,
    wannabe physicist, not even today undrestand how the internet works.
    Myohhmy.

    bla bla bla. Your account will terminate soon.

    eat shit you illiterate troll, stupid like a door. All are expiring after
    a certain number of posts. This imbecile reads an equation in a paper, he thinks it's automatically true. What an idiot, ladies and gentlemen.
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  • From Jamie Kabisha@jsbaj@jiaaa.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Wed Sep 10 12:26:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Paul B. Andersen wrote:

    Den 09.09.2025 13:22, skrev HenryWilson:
    Paul, if light's deflection is really double the Newtonian
    prediction....which has never been convincingly proved...it would
    merely tell us that light's gravitational mass is twice its inertial
    mass. So it deflects twice as much as ordinary matter. An analogy might
    be the deflection of a singly and a doubly ionized helium atom by an
    electric field.
    After all, what is 'mass' anyway?
    ..You can certainly learn a lot from Newton.

    This is nonsense.
    Experimental evidence trumps your fantasies.

    GR's prediction of gravitational deflection of EM-radiation is so
    thoroughly experimentally confirmed that it can be considered a fact.

    idiot, that's NOT deflection, but calculated INVISIBLE curvature of the spacetime. Go back to your java, applets and the java scripts.
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