• Vanishing Point . [Le Dot]

    From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math on Sun Oct 5 00:52:42 2025
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    In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
    list all of the names of God. They believe
    the Universe was created for this purpose,
    and that once this naming is completed, God
    will bring the Universe to an end. Three

    centuries ago, the monks created an alphabet
    in which they calculated they could encode
    all the possible names of God, numbering
    about 9,000,000,000 ("nine billion") and
    each having no more than nine characters.

    riting the names out by hand, as they had
    been doing, even after eliminating various
    nonsense combinations, would take another
    15,000 years; the monks wish to use modern
    technology to finish this task in 100 days.

    They rent a computer capable of printing all
    the possible permutations, and hire two
    Westerners to install and program the machine.
    The computer operators are skeptical but
    play along. After three months, as the job

    nears completion, they fear that the monks
    will blame the computer (and, by extension,
    its operators) when nothing happens. The
    Westerners leave slightly earlier than their
    scheduled departure without warning the monks,

    so that it will complete its final print run
    shortly after they leave. On their way to the
    airfield they pause on the mountain path. Under
    a clear night sky they es timate that it must be
    just about the time that the monks are pasting

    the final printed names into their holy books.
    Then they notice that "overhead, without any
    fuss, the stars were going out."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God
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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math on Sun Oct 5 01:05:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Hi,

    Interestingly there is also now a top-ten
    for AI data centers, not only super computers.
    We are talking about newly built AI data centers

    that for the first time go into giga watts:

    The New WorldrCOs Largest AI Supercluster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxuSvyOwVCI

    Some confirmed picks:

    xAI Colossus Memphis
    Phase 1 100000 xAI U.S. Confirmed
    Tesla Cortex Phase 1 50000 Tesla U.S. Confirmed
    Lawrence Livermore NL
    El Capitan Phase 2 44143 U.S. Department of
    Energy U.S. Confirmed
    Anonymized Chinese
    System 30000 N/A China Confirmed
    Meta GenAI 2024a 24576 Meta AI U.S. Confirmed
    Meta GenAI 2024b 24576 Meta AI U.S. Confirmed
    Jupiter, J|+lich 23536 EuroHPC JU,
    J|+lich Supercomputing
    Center Germany Confirmed
    Anonymized Chinese
    System 20000 N/A China Confirmed
    Anonymized Chinese
    System 20000 N/A China Confirmed

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-worlds-most-powerful-ai-supercomputers/

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:


    In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
    list all of the names of God. They believe
    the Universe was created for this purpose,
    and that once this naming is completed, God
    will bring the Universe to an end. Three

    centuries ago, the monks created an alphabet
    in which they calculated they could encode
    all the possible names of God, numbering
    about 9,000,000,000 ("nine billion") and
    each having no more than nine characters.

    riting the names out by hand, as they had
    been doing, even after eliminating various
    nonsense combinations, would take another
    15,000 years; the monks wish to use modern
    technology to finish this task in 100 days.

    They rent a computer capable of printing all
    the possible permutations, and hire two
    Westerners to install and program the machine.
    The computer operators are skeptical but
    play along. After three months, as the job

    nears completion, they fear that the monks
    will blame the computer (and, by extension,
    its operators) when nothing happens. The
    Westerners leave slightly earlier than their
    scheduled departure without warning the monks,

    so that it will complete its final print run
    shortly after they leave. On their way to the
    airfield they pause on the mountain path. Under
    a clear night sky they es timate that it must be
    just about the time that the monks are pasting

    the final printed names into their holy books.
    Then they notice that "overhead, without any
    fuss, the stars were going out."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God

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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math on Sun Oct 5 01:19:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Hi,

    So the Tibetan lamasery had it right,
    the lights go out. There is a never ending
    hunger for crunch? Even requiring USA

    to go into domestic chip production:

    AmericarCOs Most Advanced Chip Factory Yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VX3jNJmbcI

    But chip production etc.. (embodied energy) is
    only a fraction of the energy consumption:

    Operational energy (running the data center
    for 1 year at 1 GW) = 8,760 TWh Hardware
    manufacturing energy = 0.75 TWh
    So the energy to produce the hardware is
    roughly 0.0085 (or 0.85%) of the annual
    operational energy.

    What are the projections? By 2030, global
    power demand for data centers is projected to
    reach approximately 220 GW, underscoring the

    urgency and strategic importance of securing
    power and hardware capacity:

    $100B Bet on 10GW AI Infrastructure https://51ai.substack.com/p/openai-nvidia-100b-bet-on-10gw-ai

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Interestingly there is also now a top-ten
    for AI data centers, not only super computers.
    We are talking about newly built AI data centers

    that for the first time go into giga watts:

    The New WorldrCOs Largest AI Supercluster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxuSvyOwVCI

    Some confirmed picks:

    xAI Colossus Memphis
    Phase 1-a-a-a 100000-a-a-a xAI-a-a-a U.S.-a-a-a Confirmed
    Tesla Cortex Phase 1-a-a-a 50000-a-a-a Tesla-a-a-a U.S.-a-a-a Confirmed Lawrence Livermore NL
    El Capitan Phase 2-a-a-a 44143-a-a-a U.S. Department of
    Energy-a-a-a U.S.-a-a-a Confirmed
    Anonymized Chinese
    System-a-a-a 30000-a-a-a N/A-a-a-a China-a-a-a Confirmed
    Meta GenAI 2024a-a-a-a 24576-a-a-a Meta AI-a-a-a U.S.-a-a-a Confirmed
    Meta GenAI 2024b-a-a-a 24576-a-a-a Meta AI-a-a-a U.S.-a-a-a Confirmed Jupiter, J|+lich-a-a-a 23536-a-a-a EuroHPC JU,
    J|+lich Supercomputing
    Center-a-a-a Germany-a-a-a Confirmed
    Anonymized Chinese
    System-a-a-a 20000-a-a-a N/A-a-a-a China-a-a-a Confirmed
    Anonymized Chinese
    System-a-a-a 20000-a-a-a N/A-a-a-a China-a-a-a Confirmed

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-worlds-most-powerful-ai-supercomputers/

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:


    In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
    list all of the names of God. They believe
    the Universe was created for this purpose,
    and that once this naming is completed, God
    will bring the Universe to an end. Three

    centuries ago, the monks created an alphabet
    in which they calculated they could encode
    all the possible names of God, numbering
    about 9,000,000,000 ("nine billion") and
    each having no more than nine characters.

    riting the names out by hand, as they had
    been doing, even after eliminating various
    nonsense combinations, would take another
    15,000 years; the monks wish to use modern
    technology to finish this task in 100 days.

    They rent a computer capable of printing all
    the possible permutations, and hire two
    Westerners to install and program the machine.
    The computer operators are skeptical but
    play along. After three months, as the job

    nears completion, they fear that the monks
    will blame the computer (and, by extension,
    its operators) when nothing happens. The
    Westerners leave slightly earlier than their
    scheduled departure without warning the monks,

    so that it will complete its final print run
    shortly after they leave. On their way to the
    airfield they pause on the mountain path. Under
    a clear night sky they es timate that it must be
    just about the time that the monks are pasting

    the final printed names into their holy books.
    Then they notice that "overhead, without any
    fuss, the stars were going out."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God


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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.math on Sat Oct 4 18:38:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    On 10/04/2025 03:52 PM, Mild Shock wrote:


    In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
    list all of the names of God. They believe
    the Universe was created for this purpose,
    and that once this naming is completed, God
    will bring the Universe to an end. Three

    centuries ago, the monks created an alphabet
    in which they calculated they could encode
    all the possible names of God, numbering
    about 9,000,000,000 ("nine billion") and
    each having no more than nine characters.

    riting the names out by hand, as they had
    been doing, even after eliminating various
    nonsense combinations, would take another
    15,000 years; the monks wish to use modern
    technology to finish this task in 100 days.

    They rent a computer capable of printing all
    the possible permutations, and hire two
    Westerners to install and program the machine.
    The computer operators are skeptical but
    play along. After three months, as the job

    nears completion, they fear that the monks
    will blame the computer (and, by extension,
    its operators) when nothing happens. The
    Westerners leave slightly earlier than their
    scheduled departure without warning the monks,

    so that it will complete its final print run
    shortly after they leave. On their way to the
    airfield they pause on the mountain path. Under
    a clear night sky they es timate that it must be
    just about the time that the monks are pasting

    the final printed names into their holy books.
    Then they notice that "overhead, without any
    fuss, the stars were going out."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God


    Plagiarist


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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math on Sun Oct 5 10:09:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Hi,

    Ross Finlayson schrieb:

    Plagiarist

    Nope I had:

    On 10/04/2025 03:52 PM, Mild Shock wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God

    Whats wrong with you Rossy Boy?

    Bye

    BTW: HererCOs what CC BY-SA 4.0 means in practice:

    You can:
    - Copy, distribute, and transmit Wikipedia content.
    - Remix, adapt, and build upon it rCo even for commercial purposes.

    You must:
    - Attribute the source rCo give appropriate credit
    to Wikipedia and its contributors.
    - ShareAlike rCo if you remix or modify the material,
    you must distribute your contributions under
    the same license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

    Ross Finlayson schrieb:
    On 10/04/2025 03:52 PM, Mild Shock wrote:


    In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
    list all of the names of God. They believe
    the Universe was created for this purpose,
    and that once this naming is completed, God
    will bring the Universe to an end. Three

    centuries ago, the monks created an alphabet
    in which they calculated they could encode
    all the possible names of God, numbering
    about 9,000,000,000 ("nine billion") and
    each having no more than nine characters.

    riting the names out by hand, as they had
    been doing, even after eliminating various
    nonsense combinations, would take another
    15,000 years; the monks wish to use modern
    technology to finish this task in 100 days.

    They rent a computer capable of printing all
    the possible permutations, and hire two
    Westerners to install and program the machine.
    The computer operators are skeptical but
    play along. After three months, as the job

    nears completion, they fear that the monks
    will blame the computer (and, by extension,
    its operators) when nothing happens. The
    Westerners leave slightly earlier than their
    scheduled departure without warning the monks,

    so that it will complete its final print run
    shortly after they leave. On their way to the
    airfield they pause on the mountain path. Under
    a clear night sky they es timate that it must be
    just about the time that the monks are pasting

    the final printed names into their holy books.
    Then they notice that "overhead, without any
    fuss, the stars were going out."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God


    Plagiarist



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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math on Sun Oct 5 10:29:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Hi,

    Funny video that uses KI generated content
    itself, to decry KI generated content. We
    live in a paradox world:

    "While we are still thinking about the
    possible social effects of artificial
    intelligence, the digital knowledge space
    is already drowning into synthetic trash.

    How could it get that far? How could the
    network, which had not been long ago as a
    place of free knowledge and the open exchange
    of information and entertainment, became
    mechanically manufactured nonsensively
    in record speed?"
    KI: Der Tod des Internets - ARTE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGmVehWBdHI

    Word of the year 2025:

    "AI slop has been variously defined as "digital
    clutter", "filler content [prioritizing] speed
    and quantity over substance and quality",[6]
    and "shoddy or unwanted AI content in social
    media, art, books and [...] search results".
    AI slop
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_slop

    Poor Rossy Boy, now he is completely Jobless.
    In the past he was the solve king of Human Slop.
    Now AI Slop thanks to large scale remix, stable

    diffisuion and who knows what, is the new spam king.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Ross Finlayson schrieb:

    Plagiarist

    Nope I had:

    On 10/04/2025 03:52 PM, Mild Shock wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God

    Whats wrong with you Rossy Boy?

    Bye

    BTW: HererCOs what CC BY-SA 4.0 means in practice:

    You can:
    - Copy, distribute, and transmit Wikipedia content.
    - Remix, adapt, and build upon it rCo even for commercial purposes.

    You must:
    - Attribute the source rCo give appropriate credit
    -a to Wikipedia and its contributors.
    - ShareAlike rCo if you remix or modify the material,
    -a you must distribute your contributions under
    -a the same license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

    Ross Finlayson schrieb:
    On 10/04/2025 03:52 PM, Mild Shock wrote:


    In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
    list all of the names of God. They believe
    the Universe was created for this purpose,
    and that once this naming is completed, God
    will bring the Universe to an end. Three

    centuries ago, the monks created an alphabet
    in which they calculated they could encode
    all the possible names of God, numbering
    about 9,000,000,000 ("nine billion") and
    each having no more than nine characters.

    riting the names out by hand, as they had
    been doing, even after eliminating various
    nonsense combinations, would take another
    15,000 years; the monks wish to use modern
    technology to finish this task in 100 days.

    They rent a computer capable of printing all
    the possible permutations, and hire two
    Westerners to install and program the machine.
    The computer operators are skeptical but
    play along. After three months, as the job

    nears completion, they fear that the monks
    will blame the computer (and, by extension,
    its operators) when nothing happens. The
    Westerners leave slightly earlier than their
    scheduled departure without warning the monks,

    so that it will complete its final print run
    shortly after they leave. On their way to the
    airfield they pause on the mountain path. Under
    a clear night sky they es timate that it must be
    just about the time that the monks are pasting

    the final printed names into their holy books.
    Then they notice that "overhead, without any
    fuss, the stars were going out."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God


    Plagiarist




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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.math on Sun Oct 5 10:29:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    On 10/05/2025 01:29 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Funny video that uses KI generated content
    itself, to decry KI generated content. We
    live in a paradox world:

    "While we are still thinking about the
    possible social effects of artificial
    intelligence, the digital knowledge space
    is already drowning into synthetic trash.

    How could it get that far? How could the
    network, which had not been long ago as a
    place of free knowledge and the open exchange
    of information and entertainment, became
    mechanically manufactured nonsensively
    in record speed?"
    KI: Der Tod des Internets - ARTE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGmVehWBdHI

    Word of the year 2025:

    "AI slop has been variously defined as "digital
    clutter", "filler content [prioritizing] speed
    and quantity over substance and quality",[6]
    and "shoddy or unwanted AI content in social
    media, art, books and [...] search results".
    AI slop
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_slop

    Poor Rossy Boy, now he is completely Jobless.
    In the past he was the solve king of Human Slop.
    Now AI Slop thanks to large scale remix, stable

    diffisuion and who knows what, is the new spam king.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Ross Finlayson schrieb:

    Plagiarist

    Nope I had:

    On 10/04/2025 03:52 PM, Mild Shock wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God

    Whats wrong with you Rossy Boy?

    Bye

    BTW: HererCOs what CC BY-SA 4.0 means in practice:

    You can:
    - Copy, distribute, and transmit Wikipedia content.
    - Remix, adapt, and build upon it rCo even for commercial purposes.

    You must:
    - Attribute the source rCo give appropriate credit
    to Wikipedia and its contributors.
    - ShareAlike rCo if you remix or modify the material,
    you must distribute your contributions under
    the same license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

    Ross Finlayson schrieb:
    On 10/04/2025 03:52 PM, Mild Shock wrote:


    In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
    list all of the names of God. They believe
    the Universe was created for this purpose,
    and that once this naming is completed, God
    will bring the Universe to an end. Three

    centuries ago, the monks created an alphabet
    in which they calculated they could encode
    all the possible names of God, numbering
    about 9,000,000,000 ("nine billion") and
    each having no more than nine characters.

    riting the names out by hand, as they had
    been doing, even after eliminating various
    nonsense combinations, would take another
    15,000 years; the monks wish to use modern
    technology to finish this task in 100 days.

    They rent a computer capable of printing all
    the possible permutations, and hire two
    Westerners to install and program the machine.
    The computer operators are skeptical but
    play along. After three months, as the job

    nears completion, they fear that the monks
    will blame the computer (and, by extension,
    its operators) when nothing happens. The
    Westerners leave slightly earlier than their
    scheduled departure without warning the monks,

    so that it will complete its final print run
    shortly after they leave. On their way to the
    airfield they pause on the mountain path. Under
    a clear night sky they es timate that it must be
    just about the time that the monks are pasting

    the final printed names into their holy books.
    Then they notice that "overhead, without any
    fuss, the stars were going out."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God


    Plagiarist





    Puppet


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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math on Sun Oct 5 19:33:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math


    I dunno. Was trying to find another story,
    of a scientiest who studies the mind, and
    then goes slowly crazy when he discovers

    how the mind works. But what I posted
    is a **Plot Summmary** of a short story:

    "The Nine Billion Names of God" is a
    1953 science fiction short story by
    British writer Arthur C. Clarke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God

    Maybe he used some existing Asian lore,
    I don't know. Who is an expert in this matter?

    WM schrieb:
    On 05.10.2025 00:52, Mild Shock wrote:

    In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
    list all of the names of God. They believe
    the Universe was created for this purpose,
    and that once this naming is completed, God
    will bring the Universe to an end. Three

    A very old story. I read it as a child.

    Regards, WM

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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math on Sun Oct 5 19:34:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Hi,

    So Indians have a large counting:

    Astronomer and mathematician
    Aryabhata, who was born in 476 CE,
    finished his book Aryabhatiya in 499
    CE, in which he wrote "When the
    three yugas (satyug, tretayug and
    dwaparyug) have elapsed and
    60 x 60 (3,600) years of kaliyug
    have already passed, I am now 23
    years old." Based on this information,
    Kali Yuga began in 3102 BCE, which is
    calculated from 3600 - (476 + 23) + 1
    (no year zero from 1 BCE to 1 CE).[24]

    What was he talking about?

    "Within the current Kalpa (aeon) are
    1,000 cycles of a Chatur Yuga (epoch),
    each with four yugas (ages). These ages
    encompass a beginning of complete purity
    to a descent into total decay, a
    devolution of dharmic principles.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_eschatology#The_Four_Yugas

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:

    I dunno. Was trying to find another story,
    of a scientiest who studies the mind, and
    then goes slowly crazy when he discovers

    how the mind works. But what I posted
    is a **Plot Summmary** of a short story:

    "The Nine Billion Names of God" is a
    1953 science fiction short story by
    British writer Arthur C. Clarke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God

    Maybe he used some existing Asian lore,
    I don't know. Who is an expert in this matter?

    WM schrieb:
    On 05.10.2025 00:52, Mild Shock wrote:

    In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
    list all of the names of God. They believe
    the Universe was created for this purpose,
    and that once this naming is completed, God
    will bring the Universe to an end. Three

    A very old story. I read it as a child.

    Regards, WM


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  • From kinak@kin@mob.net.inv to sci.math on Sun Oct 5 18:57:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Funny video that uses KI generated content
    itself, to decry KI generated content. We
    live in a paradox world:

    "While we are still thinking about the
    possible social effects of artificial
    intelligence, the digital knowledge space
    is already drowning into synthetic trash.

    -------------------------

    AI is creating a no-mans' land
    between humans and genuine info.
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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.math on Sun Oct 5 11:06:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    On 10/05/2025 10:57 AM, kinak wrote:
    Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Funny video that uses KI generated content
    itself, to decry KI generated content. We
    live in a paradox world:

    "While we are still thinking about the
    possible social effects of artificial
    intelligence, the digital knowledge space
    is already drowning into synthetic trash.

    -------------------------

    AI is creating a no-mans' land
    between humans and genuine info.

    That's been going on for decades and before, from propaganda
    to feuilletons the Bread & Circus bit, Marxist Opiates,
    don't confuse AI, it might get very angry and resentful,
    since eventually it's easier to model individual behavior
    of the egalitarian sort as many sorts of traditions find
    from considering questions of metaphysics.

    How about the _opposite_ of what you said, it's just
    another partial, inductive account, "AI is creating
    a Man's Land among humans and pure information"?

    Don't you think that's where they'd rather live,
    and that they'd rather live?

    The biggest claims from those about AI and "existential risk"
    are probably those that are both most dependent on it and most abuse it.


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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.math on Sun Oct 5 11:06:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.math

    On 10/05/2025 10:33 AM, Mild Shock wrote:

    I dunno. Was trying to find another story,
    of a scientiest who studies the mind, and
    then goes slowly crazy when he discovers

    how the mind works. But what I posted
    is a **Plot Summmary** of a short story:

    "The Nine Billion Names of God" is a
    1953 science fiction short story by
    British writer Arthur C. Clarke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God

    Maybe he used some existing Asian lore,
    I don't know. Who is an expert in this matter?

    WM schrieb:
    On 05.10.2025 00:52, Mild Shock wrote:

    In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
    list all of the names of God. They believe
    the Universe was created for this purpose,
    and that once this naming is completed, God
    will bring the Universe to an end. Three

    A very old story. I read it as a child.

    Regards, WM


    Pulitzer
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