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HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

Duck Landing on a Lake https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHOdcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

Did "Sully" Sullenberger watch this video in preparation for his Landing on the Hudson?
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On 21-07-2025 04:11 am, HenHanna@NewsGrouper wrote:

Duck Landing on a Lake https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHOdcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

This is a test. Pls respond.

Beeootiful!
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On 22/07/25 18:23, Pimpom wrote:

On 21-07-2025 04:11 am, HenHanna@NewsGrouper wrote:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHOdcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

This is a test. Pls respond.

Beeootiful!

I suppose you've all heard of the Oomedoodle Bird. It has either no legs
or very short legs. (The experts can't agree.) It can be recognised by
the cry it makes when coming in for a landing. "Ooh me doodle! Ooh me
doodle!"

There are other solutions to this problem, but the Oomedoodle Bird isn't
smart enough to have thought of them. The obvious one is to land on
water rather than on a hard surface. Or they could just choose to stay
in the air.

There's a bird in Scotland like that. They call it the Donald Duck,
because it disnae land.
--
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
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On 2025-07-21 14:59, James Dow Allen wrote:

HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHOdcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

Did "Sully" Sullenberger watch this video in preparation for his Landing on the Hudson?

That's a Loon.
--
I tried to put my horse into a Hubble Barn,
But it didn't fit.

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Op 22/07/2025 om 21:27 schreef lar3ryca:

On 2025-07-21 14:59, James Dow Allen wrote:

HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHOdcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

Did "Sully" Sullenberger watch this video in preparation for his
Landing on the Hudson?

That's a Loon.

A loon and a loony landing video.
I thought for a moment, loony AI, but
Loon landing (!;) yields more nice videos like this one.
--
guido wugi
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On 2025-07-22 14:32, guido wugi wrote:

Op 22/07/2025 om 21:27 schreef lar3ryca:

On 2025-07-21 14:59, James Dow Allen wrote:

HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHOdcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

Did "Sully" Sullenberger watch this video in preparation for his
Landing on the Hudson?

That's a Loon.

A loon and a loony landing video.
I thought for a moment, loony AI, but
Loon landing (!;) yields more nice videos like this one.

Loons have a wide variety of calls. Some are quite eerie.
Try looking for 'loon calls'.
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QUIP PRO QUO--A fast retort.

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James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

Duck Landing on a Lake https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/F

HOdcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

Did "Sully" Sullenberger watch this video in preparation for his Landing
on the Hudson?

Don't think so. Sully didn't put his wheels out,
he used engine braking,

Jan
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HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Duck Landing on a Lake https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHO

dcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

This belly landing is not the way the ducks (and swans) I see do it.
The ones I see water ski on their feet until all speed is lost,
then they sink nearly straight down.
I guess this is some other kind of bird,

Jan
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On 21/07/2025 22:59, James Dow Allen wrote:

HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHOdcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

Did "Sully" Sullenberger watch this video in preparation for his Landing on the Hudson?

No, but I think the space shuttle people should. This is more of less
how the shuttle lands.
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Le 23/07/2025 |a 08:42, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :

HenHanna@NewsGrouper wrote:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHO

dcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

This belly landing is not the way the ducks (and swans) I see do it.
The ones I see water ski on their feet until all speed is lost,
then they sink nearly straight down.
I guess this is some other kind of bird,

Apparently it depends on the species of duck. Some think they're flying
boats, others that they're seaplanes.

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Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

Le 23/07/2025 a 08:42, J. J. Lodder a ocrit :

HenHanna@NewsGrouper wrote:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/

FHO

dcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

This belly landing is not the way the ducks (and swans) I see do it.
The ones I see water ski on their feet until all speed is lost,
then they sink nearly straight down.
I guess this is some other kind of bird,

Apparently it depends on the species of duck. Some think they're flying boats, others that they're seaplanes.

On usage: In my English they are all seaplanes,
to be divided in floatplanes and flying boats.

Floatplanes are typically smaller, while flying boats can be huge,
up to Spruce Goose size.
AFAIK the flying boats have gone almost completely extinct,
(some dinosaurs from WWII excepted)
while small floatplanes still florish in special habitats,
like the Caraibean, or Alaska,

Jan



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On Wednesday, occam yelped out that:

On 21/07/2025 22:59, James Dow Allen wrote:

HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHOdcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

Did "Sully" Sullenberger watch this video in preparation for his Landing on >> the Hudson?

No, but I think the space shuttle people should.

What space shuttle people? All the intact Space Shuttles are in
museums, and all the newer space planes glide much better.

This is more of less how the shuttle lands.

No space shuttle landed on its belly, which is where most of the
fragile tiles are. Also, the duck has a lower approach angle, and
doesn't need to do as much flare.

/dps "fowl up to AUE only"
--
"I am not given to exaggeration, and when I say a thing I mean it"
_Roughing It_, Mark Twain
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On 2025-07-23 01:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:

HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHO

dcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

This belly landing is not the way the ducks (and swans) I see do it.
The ones I see water ski on their feet until all speed is lost,
then they sink nearly straight down.
I guess this is some other kind of bird,

Am I in your killfile?

I already pointed out that it is a Loon.
--
There was once an Empire, led by an Emperor.
There was once a Kingdom, led by a King.
Canada is a country...

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On 2025-07-23 01:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:

HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHO

dcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

This belly landing is not the way the ducks (and swans) I see do it.
The ones I see water ski on their feet until all speed is lost,
then they sink nearly straight down.
I guess this is some other kind of bird,

Am I in your killfile?

I already pointed out that it is a Loon.
--
There was once an Empire, led by an Emperor.
There was once a Kingdom, led by a King.
Canada is a country...

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J. J. Lodder suggested that ...

HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHO

dcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

This belly landing is not the way the ducks (and swans) I see do it.
The ones I see water ski on their feet until all speed is lost,
then they sink nearly straight down.
I guess this is some other kind of bird,

Jan

I agree with the loon diagnosis. Mallards have similar head markings
(but not colors) and land feet front. Frex, <URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3CVZYY8xS4&pp>

Here's another loon:
<URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0FGl3GiYJk>
Loons are not closely related to ducks, but are cousins of sorts to
petrels and pelicans, penguins and storks.

/dps "flock to AUE only"
--
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_Roughing It_, Mark Twain
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Ar an tr|!|| l|i is fiche de m|! I||il, scr|!obh J. J. Lodder:

Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

[...] Apparently it depends on the species of duck. Some think they're flying boats, others that they're seaplanes.

On usage: In my English they are all seaplanes,
to be divided in floatplanes and flying boats.

Wikipedia comments that rCyBritish usage is to call floatplanes rCLseaplanesrCY rather than use the term rCLseaplanerCY to refer to both floatplanes and flying boats.[2].rCO I had a strong interest in aviation as a teenager and this usage seems to have stuck with me; the magazines I read were from the UK.

I have no strong interest in aviation now, and similarly, my sister also
has no interest in owning a horse.

Floatplanes are typically smaller, while flying boats can be huge,
up to Spruce Goose size.
AFAIK the flying boats have gone almost completely extinct,
(some dinosaurs from WWII excepted)

I saw an amphibious PBY Catalina at Enniskillen airport (perhaps rCLairstriprCY would better characterise the facility) a few years ago, just as I was driving past, glad to see one still operational. It may not be any more.

while small floatplanes still florish in special habitats, like the Caraibean, or Alaska,

I learn right now from Wikipedia that the Catalina is no longer in service as a waterbomber
--
rCyAs I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stoutrCO
(C. Moore)
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lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

On 2025-07-23 01:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:

HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/

FHO

dcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

This belly landing is not the way the ducks (and swans) I see do it.
The ones I see water ski on their feet until all speed is lost,
then they sink nearly straight down.
I guess this is some other kind of bird,

Am I in your killfile?

Of course not.
Don't be flattered, I don't have one.

I already pointed out that it is a Loon.

You may remember from the days of yore
that usenet is an asynchronous medium.
MacSoup is one of the last off-line newsclients.
Things I write in the evening
may not get posted until the next morning,
when I log into the server again,

Jan

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"Carl G." <carlgnews@microprizes.com> posted:

On 7/20/2025 1:38 PM, HenHanna@NewsGrouper wrote:

By the way: Has English an expression something like:

It's no use crying over spilt milk

My understanding is that prognosticators in the Middle Ages found that
it was futile to try to see the future by peering into spilt milk
instead of water. This resulted in the adage "It's no use scrying over spilt milk."
:)

Thanks! --- didn't know that verb, [to Scry] -- I'll ask my AI

https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com/
Shows another response in this thread... Thank you for that too.
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Le 23/07/2025 |a 22:12, Aidan Kehoe a |-crit :

Ar an tr|!|| l|i is fiche de m|! I||il, scr|!obh J. J. Lodder:

Hibou wrote:

[...] Apparently it depends on the species of duck. Some think they're
flying boats, others that they're seaplanes.

On usage: In my English they are all seaplanes,
to be divided in floatplanes and flying boats.

ObAUE: ... to be divided into...

Dutch English? :-)

Wikipedia comments that rCyBritish usage is to call floatplanes rCLseaplanesrCY
rather than use the term rCLseaplanerCY to refer to both floatplanes and flying
boats.[2].rCO I had a strong interest in aviation as a teenager and this usage
seems to have stuck with me; the magazines I read were from the UK. [...]

Just so. Seaplanes have floats on legs, while in flying boats the
fuselage forms a hull.

Floatplanes are typically smaller, while flying boats can be huge,
up to Spruce Goose size.
AFAIK the flying boats have gone almost completely extinct,
(some dinosaurs from WWII excepted) [...]

Canadair flying boats are being used as water bombers in France and
elsewhere.

<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/I-DPCN_at_work_03_%28cropped%29.jpg/1280px-I-DPCN_at_work_03_%28cropped%29.jpg>


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On 23/07/2025 22:23, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2025-07-23 01:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:

HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/
avc1/720x722/FHO

dcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

This belly landing is not the way the ducks (and swans) I see do it.
The ones I see water ski on their feet until all speed is lost,
then they sink nearly straight down.
I guess this is some other kind of bird,

Am I in your killfile?

I already pointed out that it is a Loon.

<smile> There are a lot of loons here Larry. He may have thought you
were just referring to one of the posters here (e.g. the OP, Hen Hanna).
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Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

Le 23/07/2025 a 22:12, Aidan Kehoe a ocrit :

Ar an tr0. lb is fiche de m0 I.il, scr0obh J. J. Lodder:

Hibou wrote:

[...] Apparently it depends on the species of duck. Some think they're >>> flying boats, others that they're seaplanes.

On usage: In my English they are all seaplanes,
to be divided in floatplanes and flying boats.

ObAUE: ... to be divided into...

Dutch English? :-)

No, just being careless later in the evening.

Wikipedia comments that 'British usage is to call floatplanes "seaplanes" rather than use the term "seaplane" to refer to both floatplanes and flying boats.[2].' I had a strong interest in aviation as a teenager and this usage
seems to have stuck with me; the magazines I read were from the UK. [...]

Just so. Seaplanes have floats on legs, while in flying boats the
fuselage forms a hull.

Now you made me look it up.
My wikipedia says:
===
A seaplane is a powered fixed-wing aircraft capable of taking off and
landing (alighting) on water.[1] Seaplanes are usually divided into two categories based on their technological characteristics: floatplanes and
flying boats; the latter are generally far larger and can carry far
more.
===
Usage varies, it would seem.

Floatplanes are typically smaller, while flying boats can be huge,
up to Spruce Goose size.
AFAIK the flying boats have gone almost completely extinct,
(some dinosaurs from WWII excepted) [...]

Canadair flying boats are being used as water bombers in France and elsewhere.

<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/I-DPCN_at_work_03_%

28cropped%29.jpg/1280px-I-DPCN_at_work_03_%28cropped%29.jpg>

Certainly, seen them in action.
Also, quite by accident, I have seen a flight of them,
six in formation, going west. (the ancient model, with piston engines)
I guess on their way from Marseilles to the Landes,
to do their thing there. They make a lot of heavy noise,
and they are surprisingly slow, so impossible to miss.

By a recent newspaper article they are having problems.
Put bluntly, the planes are falling apart, (also the newer turbo-props)
and the French cannot keep them airworthy in sufficient numbers.
They need to be replaced, but there is no money for that.

The original design was for taking in fresh water.
Lacking that nowadays they must use sea water,
which results in more corrosion.

France seems to be unable these days to reach rational decisions
in things like this.
Surely the investment in water bombers must pay for itself
in terms of things not burned?

Jan





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Le 24/07/2025 |a 12:00, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :

Hibou wrote:

Canadair flying boats are being used as water bombers in France and
elsewhere.

<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/I-DPCN_at_work_03_%

28cropped%29.jpg/1280px-I-DPCN_at_work_03_%28cropped%29.jpg>

Certainly, seen them in action.
Also, quite by accident, I have seen a flight of them,
six in formation, going west. (the ancient model, with piston engines)
I guess on their way from Marseilles to the Landes,
to do their thing there. They make a lot of heavy noise,
and they are surprisingly slow, so impossible to miss.

By a recent newspaper article they are having problems.
Put bluntly, the planes are falling apart, (also the newer turbo-props)
and the French cannot keep them airworthy in sufficient numbers.
They need to be replaced, but there is no money for that.

In short, you saw them going west, and there's a risk they'll go west.

The original design was for taking in fresh water.
Lacking that nowadays they must use sea water,
which results in more corrosion.

France seems to be unable these days to reach rational decisions
in things like this.
Surely the investment in water bombers must pay for itself
in terms of things not burned?

Macron promised two or three years ago to buy more, but that hasn't
happened. They're pricey - 60M euros a pop - and Europe is said not to
be a priority:

-2 Fabriqu|- au Canada par De Havilland, un Canadair co|+te une soixantaine
de millions drCOeuros et une commande aujourdrCOhui ne sera livr|-e qurCOen 2032. "De Havilland dit 'avec les commandes que j'ai et les besoins sur
le continent nord-am|-ricain qui ne vont faire que s'accentuer, l'Europe
ne sera pas la priorit|- de cette entreprise'", explique Sophie Pantel, d|-put|-e socialiste de Loz|?re, co-autrice drCOun rapport sur la flotte de
la s|-curit|- civile -+ - <https://www.radiofrance.fr/franceinter/podcasts/l-info-de-france-inter/l-info-de-france-inter-9978274>

But then, governing the French makes herding cats look easy (three prime ministers in the last year). And I don't know whether such water bombers
are cost effective. Sixty million euros is a lot of hoses and pumps.

Tiens ! <Owlish humour> They could buy pumps from us - Godiva fire
pumps, born out of Coventry Climax. Good for raising people's
temperatures with innuendo, and then dampening their ardour. <OK, as you
were>

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On 2025-07-24 02:42, occam wrote:

On 23/07/2025 22:23, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2025-07-23 01:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:

HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/
avc1/720x722/FHO

dcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

This belly landing is not the way the ducks (and swans) I see do it.
The ones I see water ski on their feet until all speed is lost,
then they sink nearly straight down.
I guess this is some other kind of bird,

Am I in your killfile?

I already pointed out that it is a Loon.

<smile> There are a lot of loons here Larry. He may have thought you
were just referring to one of the posters here (e.g. the OP, Hen Hanna).

Best Mr. Burns voice: ,rubbing hands together> "Excellent!"
--
Canada. Leading the world in being just north of the USA.

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occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

On 23/07/2025 22:23, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2025-07-23 01:42, J. J. Lodder wrote:

HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Duck Landing on a Lake
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/
avc1/720x722/FHO

dcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

This belly landing is not the way the ducks (and swans) I see do it.
The ones I see water ski on their feet until all speed is lost,
then they sink nearly straight down.
I guess this is some other kind of bird,

Am I in your killfile?

I already pointed out that it is a Loon.

<smile> There are a lot of loons here Larry. He may have thought you
were just referring to one of the posters here (e.g. the OP, Hen Hanna).

Larry's Loons are a Canadian kind.
The birds are know as 'Divers' in BrE, and as 'Duikers' (or Zeeduikers)
in Dutch. French has the comparable 'Plongeons'.
(because capable of diving at speed to catch fish)

Being arctic birds they are seen only as winter guests in these parts,
(and I guess not at all in Luxembourg)

Jan




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On 24/07/25 21:00, J. J. Lodder wrote:

[Water bombers]

The original design was for taking in fresh water. Lacking that
nowadays they must use sea water, which results in more corrosion.

Good point. I'd never thought of that.

The biggest need for water bombers in Australia is inland, especially in mountainous areas, where there are no roads and few fire trails. In such
cases, the likely water source is a lake or something similar. Fresh
water, therefore.

Near the coast, where sea water might be used, there's less need for
water bombers, because there are more roads, and it's easier for fire
trucks to get to the fire.
--
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
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Sun, 20 Jul 2025 22:41:01 GMT: HenHanna@NewsGrouper <user4055@newsgrouper.org.invalid> scribeva:

Duck Landing on a Lake >https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1945602812131344384/vid/avc1/720x722/FHOdcx2n9V8DfQxs.mp4

This is a test. Pls respond.

My 2 posts from 2 (?) hours ago are NOT showing up at >https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com/

i think one had the SUBJ:
the proverbrCo"it's no use crying over spilt milk"rCooriginated in English.

the other one was about : Spill the tea

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