• Re: OT: Converting miles/km

    From Tilde@invalide@invalid.invalid to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Fri Feb 28 22:32:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

    I was more than a little surprised, just this morning, to find that in
    my local branch of Halfords, for a mere -u3.99, I can buy a handy guide
    to stick on my windscreen:

    <https://www.halfords.com/motoring/travel-accessories/travel-equipment/speedright-safety-device-181812.html?stockInventory=undefined>

    I can't help wondering who, in the 21st century, is expected to buy this >>> "safety device".

    Classic cars without dual display?

    I see in my mind a driver who smashes into an oncoming vehicle while
    studying the table.

    The driver should use the table to paint
    numbers on the display (then put the table
    away).
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  • From Jeff Barnett@jbb@notatt.com to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Fri Feb 28 22:51:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On 2/28/2025 10:29 PM, Tilde wrote:
    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

    On 2024-09-19, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

    Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
    between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5)
    kilometers.

    PS:

    "The Maritime Approximation"
    https://xkcd.com/3023/

    -a-a pi mph = e knots

    Why would a sailor, or a pilot, want to know about miles?

    Being born on land a sailor or a pilot would no doubt
    become first acquainted with m (or km).

    Speculation: The "knot" measuring system and the term "knots" come from
    the 16th or 17th Century. I believe, at that time, men heading to sea
    were very young; at such tender ages I don't expect very many were
    either particularly familiar with any systems of measurements (land or otherwise) or the arithmetic principles necessary to manipulate the units.

    There is of course no need to drag time into it.
    It can be simplified to pi landlubber miles
    equals e seaman miles,

    Cute, but simpler still

    pi landlubber miles equals e 1.2*miles--
    Jeff Barnett

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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Sat Mar 1 10:36:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:40:44 +0100
    Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> wrote:
    [-]
    I was more than a little surprised, just this morning, to find that in
    my local branch of Halfords, for a mere u3.99, I can buy a handy guide
    to stick on my windscreen:

    <https://www.halfords.com/motoring/travel-accessories/travel-equipment/speed
    right-safety-device-181812.html?stockInventory=undefined>

    I can't help wondering who, in the 21st century, is expected to buy this "safety device".

    Classic cars without dual display?

    But requiring scriptytosh to view the website is standard.

    You can still buy new speedometers with a single display,
    for classic cars. It proves how classic they are.

    OTOH, most new cars sold in Europe have single scale speedometers.
    It is the dual scale things which have become classic.
    Even the new Minis have a single scale, kilometers only,
    (don't know about Minis sold in Britain)

    Jan



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  • From Peter Moylan@peter@pmoylan.org to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Sat Mar 1 22:58:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On 01/03/25 20:36, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:40:44 +0100 Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid>
    wrote:
    [-]
    I was more than a little surprised, just this morning, to find
    that in my local branch of Halfords, for a mere u3.99, I can buy
    a handy guide to stick on my windscreen:

    <https://www.halfords.com/motoring/travel-accessories/travel-equipment/speed



    right-safety-device-181812.html?stockInventory=undefined>

    I can't help wondering who, in the 21st century, is expected to
    buy this "safety device".

    Classic cars without dual display?

    But requiring scriptytosh to view the website is standard.

    You can still buy new speedometers with a single display, for
    classic cars. It proves how classic they are.

    OTOH, most new cars sold in Europe have single scale speedometers.
    It is the dual scale things which have become classic. Even the new
    Minis have a single scale, kilometers only, (don't know about Minis
    sold in Britain)

    I have never seen an Australian car with a dual mph/km/h display. I
    presume that the dual display is confined to countries who started to transition to metric and never finished the job. A bit like the idiot
    who said he had a solution to end a war but forgot to invite one of the
    parties to the negotiations.

    Does any country other than the UK have dual-display speedos?
    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW
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  • From charles@charles@candehope.me.uk to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Sat Mar 1 12:45:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    In article <vpuspi$77cr$1@dont-email.me>, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
    On 01/03/25 20:36, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:40:44 +0100 Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> wrote:
    [-]
    I was more than a little surprised, just this morning, to find that
    in my local branch of Halfords, for a mere u3.99, I can buy a handy
    guide to stick on my windscreen:

    <https://www.halfords.com/motoring/travel-accessories/travel-equipment/speed



    right-safety-device-181812.html?stockInventory=undefined>

    I can't help wondering who, in the 21st century, is expected to buy
    this "safety device".

    Classic cars without dual display?

    But requiring scriptytosh to view the website is standard.

    You can still buy new speedometers with a single display, for classic
    cars. It proves how classic they are.

    OTOH, most new cars sold in Europe have single scale speedometers. It
    is the dual scale things which have become classic. Even the new Minis
    have a single scale, kilometers only, (don't know about Minis sold in Britain)

    I have never seen an Australian car with a dual mph/km/h display. I
    presume that the dual display is confined to countries who started to transition to metric and never finished the job. A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but forgot to invite one of the
    parties to the negotiations.

    Does any country other than the UK have dual-display speedos?

    On my present car, I can choose whether to show MPH or kph, but not both at once.
    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4to#
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Sat Mar 1 14:05:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    charles wrote:

    Does any country other than the UK have dual-display speedos?

    On my present car, I can choose whether to show MPH or kph, but not both at once.

    Ditto.
    --
    Bertel
    Kolt, Denmark
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  • From Christian Weisgerber@naddy@mips.inka.de to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Sat Mar 1 16:17:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On 2025-03-01, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

    I have never seen an Australian car with a dual mph/km/h display. I
    presume that the dual display is confined to countries who started to transition to metric and never finished the job.

    And where people frequently cross into neighboring countries that
    use different units.

    Does any country other than the UK have dual-display speedos?

    IIRC, the US and Canada used to, back in the day of analog instruments.
    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Sat Mar 1 16:26:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    Peter Moylan scribbled something on Saturday the 3/1/2025:
    On 01/03/25 20:36, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:40:44 +0100 Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid>
    wrote:
    [-]
    I was more than a little surprised, just this morning, to find
    that in my local branch of Halfords, for a mere u3.99, I can buy
    a handy guide to stick on my windscreen:

    <https://www.halfords.com/motoring/travel-accessories/travel-equipment/speed



    right-safety-device-181812.html?stockInventory=undefined>

    I can't help wondering who, in the 21st century, is expected to
    buy this "safety device".

    Classic cars without dual display?

    But requiring scriptytosh to view the website is standard.

    You can still buy new speedometers with a single display, for
    classic cars. It proves how classic they are.

    OTOH, most new cars sold in Europe have single scale speedometers.
    It is the dual scale things which have become classic. Even the new
    Minis have a single scale, kilometers only, (don't know about Minis
    sold in Britain)

    I have never seen an Australian car with a dual mph/km/h display. I
    presume that the dual display is confined to countries who started to transition to metric and never finished the job. A bit like the idiot
    who said he had a solution to end a war but forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.

    You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The display
    he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to have Ukraine twisting in the wind.

    Does any country other than the UK have dual-display speedos?

    The US, although with electronic dashes it is likely to be
    one-at-a-time and switchable. Dual displays on US cars began showing
    up in the late '60s.

    /dps
    --
    Ieri, oggi, domani
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  • From Peter Moylan@peter@pmoylan.org to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Sun Mar 2 17:02:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:

    A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
    forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.

    You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The
    display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
    have Ukraine twisting in the wind.

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
    It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
    the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
    most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
    hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
    behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.

    It didn't help Vance's reputation either. He came across looking like a ventriloquist's puppet. He seemed to be in over his head. Not really VP material.
    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW
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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Sun Mar 2 09:05:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

    On 01/03/25 20:36, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:40:44 +0100 Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid>
    wrote:
    [-]
    I was more than a little surprised, just this morning, to find
    that in my local branch of Halfords, for a mere u3.99, I can buy
    a handy guide to stick on my windscreen:

    <https://www.halfords.com/motoring/travel-accessories/travel-equipment/spe
    ed



    right-safety-device-181812.html?stockInventory=undefined>

    I can't help wondering who, in the 21st century, is expected to
    buy this "safety device".

    Classic cars without dual display?

    But requiring scriptytosh to view the website is standard.

    You can still buy new speedometers with a single display, for
    classic cars. It proves how classic they are.

    OTOH, most new cars sold in Europe have single scale speedometers.
    It is the dual scale things which have become classic. Even the new
    Minis have a single scale, kilometers only, (don't know about Minis
    sold in Britain)

    I have never seen an Australian car with a dual mph/km/h display. I
    presume that the dual display is confined to countries who started to transition to metric and never finished the job. A bit like the idiot
    who said he had a solution to end a war but forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.

    Does any country other than the UK have dual-display speedos?

    Of course, many of them. Cars were also produced for export,
    and many of those that were exported in quantity had dual displays,
    to save on inventory. (think big Volvo stations, VW beetles, etc.)
    Those duals mostly disappeared, because
    the remaining American market isn't worth the trouble,

    Jan


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  • From Hibou@vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Sun Mar 2 08:18:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    Le 02/03/2025 |a 06:02, Peter Moylan a |-crit :

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
    It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
    the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
    most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
    hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
    behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum. [...]

    Yes.

    United States - big country, small president.

    Ukraine - small country, big president.

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  • From Richard Heathfield@rjh@cpax.org.uk to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Sun Mar 2 08:46:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On 02/03/2025 08:18, Hibou wrote:
    Le 02/03/2025 |a 06:02, Peter Moylan a |-crit :

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV
    audience got.
    It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's
    comment that
    Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world,
    though,
    the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as
    America's
    most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and
    got a
    hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have
    closed ranks
    behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a
    tantrum. [...]

    Yes.

    United States - big country, small president.

    Ukraine - small country, big president.

    UK - middle sized country, middle-sized head of government.

    If Starmer had anything about him, he'd have sent in the RAF by
    now to defend the Ukraine, and the Navy and the Marines to retake
    the Crimea.

    I'm not a Starmer fan by any means, but at least he can keep a
    civil tongue in his head.
    --
    Richard Heathfield
    Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
    "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
    Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Sun Mar 2 13:12:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

    Le 02/03/2025 a 06:02, Peter Moylan a ocrit :

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
    It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
    the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
    most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
    hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum. [...]

    Yes.

    United States - big country, small president.

    Ukraine - small country, big president.

    Sure, big, but there is a major flaw to him.
    He is incapable of being properly grateful,
    (for getting his back stabbed)

    Jan




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  • From lar3ryca@larry@invalid.ca to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Sun Mar 2 11:18:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On 2025-03-02 00:02, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:

    A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
    forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.

    You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting.-a The
    display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
    have Ukraine twisting in the wind.

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
    It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
    the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
    most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
    hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
    behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.

    We can expect nothing more from Trump. USA LLC is now a company with a
    CEO that runs it based solely on profits, and with no HR department.
    This is made worse by his belief that it's not enough to win in any deal
    he makes, but the other party has to lose.

    IMO he is currently the single worst human-| on the planet, with Putin as
    a close second. Both of them are the most likely to start a nuclear war.

    It didn't help Vance's reputation either. He came across looking like a ventriloquist's puppet. He seemed to be in over his head. Not really VP material.

    [1] I use the term reluctantly.
    --
    rCLWhen you combine ignorance and leverage, you get some pretty
    interesting results.rCY
    ~ Warren Buffet

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  • From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Mon Mar 3 07:58:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 11:18:42 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-03-02 00:02, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:

    A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
    forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.

    You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting.-a The
    display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
    have Ukraine twisting in the wind.

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
    It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that
    Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
    the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
    most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
    hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
    behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.

    We can expect nothing more from Trump. USA LLC is now a company with a
    CEO that runs it based solely on profits, and with no HR department.
    This is made worse by his belief that it's not enough to win in any deal
    he makes, but the other party has to lose.

    IMO he is currently the single worst human-| on the planet, with Putin as
    a close second. Both of them are the most likely to start a nuclear war.

    I think you overlooked Netanyahu.
    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Mon Mar 3 12:37:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 11:18:42 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-03-02 00:02, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:

    A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
    forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.

    You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The
    display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
    have Ukraine twisting in the wind.

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got. >> It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that
    Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
    the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
    most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
    hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
    behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.

    We can expect nothing more from Trump. USA LLC is now a company with a
    CEO that runs it based solely on profits, and with no HR department.
    This is made worse by his belief that it's not enough to win in any deal
    he makes, but the other party has to lose.

    IMO he is currently the single worst human? on the planet, with Putin as
    a close second. Both of them are the most likely to start a nuclear war.

    I think you overlooked Netanyahu.

    Deliberately I guess.
    This is also your South African perspective showing.
    In the USA and much of Western Europe all mention of Netanyahu
    in connection with crimes against humanity, or war crimes,
    is met with voluminous howling of 'anti-semitism'.
    (against Francesca Albanese for example)

    Netanyahu is the good guy, and all he does is justified
    because he is fighting those horrible 'terrorist'.
    It is all the fault of the ICC, for falsely accusing him.

    They cannot see Israel like South Africa sees it,
    as an example of an apartheids regime,
    and as just another nasty (de)colonisation war.

    'The West' (-USA by now) also fails to see
    that it is their double standard
    wrt Gaza/Ukraine that makes 'the rest ot the world'
    unwilling to widely condemn Russia for its agression.

    Jan
    (yes, too broad a brush)
    --
    <https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu>

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  • From Peter Moylan@peter@pmoylan.org to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Mon Mar 3 22:48:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On 02/03/25 17:02, Peter Moylan wrote:

    and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks behind
    Ukraine.

    Having said that, I have to mention today's cartoon from "The Echidna", a newsletter I regularly receive in my e-mail. It shows a bunch of
    national leaders holding signs saying "We stand for Ukraine". But they
    are not standing, they are crawling in front of a very large Trump.

    That reminds me of a cartoon in the same publication a week or two
    earlier. It showed a pollster gathering opinions from voters. (Australia
    has a federal election coming up soon.) The poll question was "Who do
    you prefer as Prime Minister? The one who kisses Trump's arse, or the
    one who kisses his feet?"
    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW
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  • From Chris Elvidge@chris@internal.net to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Mon Mar 3 14:08:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On 03/03/2025 at 11:37, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 11:18:42 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-03-02 00:02, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:

    A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
    forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.

    You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The
    display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
    have Ukraine twisting in the wind.

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got. >>>> It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that >>>> Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though, >>>> the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
    most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
    hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks >>>> behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.

    We can expect nothing more from Trump. USA LLC is now a company with a
    CEO that runs it based solely on profits, and with no HR department.
    This is made worse by his belief that it's not enough to win in any deal >>> he makes, but the other party has to lose.

    IMO he is currently the single worst human? on the planet, with Putin as >>> a close second. Both of them are the most likely to start a nuclear war.

    I think you overlooked Netanyahu.

    Deliberately I guess.
    This is also your South African perspective showing.
    In the USA and much of Western Europe all mention of Netanyahu
    in connection with crimes against humanity, or war crimes,
    is met with voluminous howling of 'anti-semitism'.
    (against Francesca Albanese for example)

    Netanyahu is the good guy, and all he does is justified
    because he is fighting those horrible 'terrorist'.
    It is all the fault of the ICC, for falsely accusing him.

    They cannot see Israel like South Africa sees it,
    as an example of an apartheids regime,
    and as just another nasty (de)colonisation war.

    'The West' (-USA by now) also fails to see
    that it is their double standard
    wrt Gaza/Ukraine that makes 'the rest ot the world'
    unwilling to widely condemn Russia for its agression.

    Jan
    (yes, too broad a brush)


    I've never understood why -
    Several hundred Israelis 'captured' by Hamas = Hostages
    Several thousand Palestinians captured and kept in Israeli gaols without
    trial = Prisoners
    Aren't they hostages, too?
    --
    Chris Elvidge, England
    THE BOYS ROOM IS NOT A WATER PARK

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  • From jerry.friedman99@jerry.friedman99@gmail.com (jerryfriedman) to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Mon Mar 3 16:06:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 6:02:13 +0000, Peter Moylan wrote:

    On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:

    A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
    forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.

    You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The
    display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
    have Ukraine twisting in the wind.

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
    It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
    the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
    most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
    hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
    behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.

    It didn't help Vance's reputation either. He came across looking like a ventriloquist's puppet. He seemed to be in over his head. Not really VP material.

    What TV audience? Trump doesn't care about opinions
    anywhere outside the U.S., except maybe Russia, as
    you said.

    --
    Jerry Friedman

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  • From Paul Wolff@bounceme@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Mon Mar 3 18:01:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025, at 12:37:03, J. J. Lodder posted:
    Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 11:18:42 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-03-02 00:02, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:

    A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
    forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.

    You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The
    display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
    have Ukraine twisting in the wind.

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got. >> >> It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that >> >> Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though, >> >> the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
    most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
    hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
    behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.

    We can expect nothing more from Trump. USA LLC is now a company with a
    CEO that runs it based solely on profits, and with no HR department.
    This is made worse by his belief that it's not enough to win in any deal
    he makes, but the other party has to lose.

    IMO he is currently the single worst human? on the planet, with Putin as
    a close second. Both of them are the most likely to start a nuclear war.

    I think you overlooked Netanyahu.

    Deliberately I guess.
    This is also your South African perspective showing.
    In the USA and much of Western Europe all mention of Netanyahu
    in connection with crimes against humanity, or war crimes,
    is met with voluminous howling of 'anti-semitism'.
    (against Francesca Albanese for example)

    What I hear from Jews is that Netanyahu is a disaster and is betraying
    Israel.

    Netanyahu is the good guy, and all he does is justified
    because he is fighting those horrible 'terrorist'.
    It is all the fault of the ICC, for falsely accusing him.

    They cannot see Israel like South Africa sees it,
    as an example of an apartheids regime,
    and as just another nasty (de)colonisation war.

    'The West' (-USA by now) also fails to see
    that it is their double standard
    wrt Gaza/Ukraine that makes 'the rest ot the world'
    unwilling to widely condemn Russia for its agression.

    Jan
    (yes, too broad a brush)

    Which I wish you hadn't yielded to. It doesn't help anyone.
    --
    Paul W
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  • From Christian Weisgerber@naddy@mips.inka.de to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Mon Mar 3 18:47:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On 2025-03-02, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.

    I thought Trump was performing for his supporters and it was well
    received in those quarters.

    Igor Girkin[1], of all people, has an astute take:

    Overall, I disagree with the assessment of this meeting and its
    outcome as presented by our media. On our television, they claimed
    that Trump and Vance harshly humiliated Zelensky. However, I
    believe that it was Zelensky who utterly humiliated Trump and
    Vance in front of the central American media and all of America.
    When Trump, in his characteristically boorish cowboy manner, tried
    to demean Zelensky in the Oval Office of the White House, he ended
    up with the exact opposite result.

    Not only did Zelensky refuse the deal that Trump already considered
    as good as in his pocketrCoa deal he could have presented to his
    voters and all U.S. citizens as his first major foreign policy
    success-but he effectively turned the tables. In fact, Trump faced
    direct and demonstrative defiance from someone he regarded, at
    best, as a servant, or more likely as some sort of "white native,"
    whose opinion doesn't matter and who is expected to bow on command
    to the "big white sahib" as much and in whatever way the latter
    pleases.

    Zelensky demonstrated that the elites in Europe and the U.S.
    supporting him are strong enough to oppose Trump, at least on
    this level. Of course, Donald will never forgive Zelensky for
    thisrCoabsolutely never. The question, however, is different: what
    can he do about it? And the answer is, not much.

    https://bsky.app/profile/wartranslated.bsky.social/post/3ljext3mkhk2p


    [1] Russian ultranationalist, involved in Russia's invasion of
    Donbas in 2014, convicted of shooting down MH17, currently
    languishing in a Russian prison because of his strident criticism
    of the Russian leadership and Putin personally for half-assing
    the invasion of Ukraine.
    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de
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  • From Ross Clark@benlizro@ihug.co.nz to sci.lang on Tue Mar 4 17:51:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On 4/03/2025 5:06 a.m., jerryfriedman wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 6:02:13 +0000, Peter Moylan wrote:

    On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:

    A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
    forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.

    You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting.-a The
    display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
    have Ukraine twisting in the wind.

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
    It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that
    Zelenskyy had been "disciplined".

    Just occurred to me we could agree with P, on a counter-reading of that
    word. Yes, Z was [self-]disciplined; the other two were totally off the
    chain.



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  • From lar3ryca@larry@invalid.ca to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Mon Mar 3 22:57:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On 2025-03-02 23:58, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 11:18:42 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

    On 2025-03-02 00:02, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:

    A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
    forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.

    You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting.-a The
    display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
    have Ukraine twisting in the wind.

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got. >>> It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that
    Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
    the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
    most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
    hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
    behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.

    We can expect nothing more from Trump. USA LLC is now a company with a
    CEO that runs it based solely on profits, and with no HR department.
    This is made worse by his belief that it's not enough to win in any deal
    he makes, but the other party has to lose.

    IMO he is currently the single worst human-| on the planet, with Putin as
    a close second. Both of them are the most likely to start a nuclear war.

    I think you overlooked Netanyahu.

    I did. I have mixed feelings about the entire middle east.
    --
    We judge others by their behavior. We judge ourselves by our intentions.
    ~Ian Percy
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  • From bertietaylor@bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) to sci.lang,alt.usage.english on Thu Mar 6 00:03:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 18:47:38 +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

    On 2025-03-02, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

    Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.

    I thought Trump was performing for his supporters and it was well
    received in those quarters.

    Those who want peace must support Trump. Those parasites who want to
    make money out of war naturally hate Trump.

    Igor Girkin[1], of all people, has an astute take:

    Overall, I disagree with the assessment of this meeting and its
    outcome as presented by our media. On our television, they claimed
    that Trump and Vance harshly humiliated Zelensky.

    They jolly well did
    Gave him the Order of the Boot from the Oval Office.

    However, I
    believe that it was Zelensky who utterly humiliated Trump and
    Vance in front of the central American media and all of America.

    You will also believe that with superior Western weapons Zelensky
    conquered Russia.

    When Trump, in his characteristically boorish cowboy manner, tried
    to demean Zelensky in the Oval Office of the White House, he ended
    up with the exact opposite result.


    No Trump did exactly what wanted to.

    Not only did Zelensky refuse the deal that Trump already considered
    as good as in his pocketrCoa deal he could have presented to his
    voters and all U.S. citizens as his first major foreign policy
    success-but he effectively turned the tables.

    Zelensky is at the kindest a disastrous fool. Without ceasefire and
    without US support the Russians will keep on grabbing Ukraine steadily.
    To prevent that he needs full European support and good luck with that.

    In fact, Trump faced
    direct and demonstrative defiance from someone he regarded, at
    best, as a servant, or more likely as some sort of "white native,"
    whose opinion doesn't matter and who is expected to bow on command
    to the "big white sahib" as much and in whatever way the latter
    pleases.

    Brown sahibs never got to spend billions of foreign money with no
    accounting.

    Zelensky demonstrated that the elites in Europe and the U.S.
    supporting him are strong enough to oppose Trump, at least on
    this level. Of course, Donald will never forgive Zelensky for
    thisrCoabsolutely never. The question, however, is different: what
    can he do about it? And the answer is, not much.

    He has made Biden look like a fool for giving Zelensky billions and that
    is a political advantage. He has saved further money losses there. He is
    making Europeans pay more for their security.

    https://bsky.app/profile/wartranslated.bsky.social/post/3ljext3mkhk2p


    [1] Russian ultranationalist, involved in Russia's invasion of
    Donbas in 2014, convicted of shooting down MH17, currently
    languishing in a Russian prison because of his strident criticism
    of the Russian leadership and Putin personally for half-assing
    the invasion of Ukraine.
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